What DD says in PS is that he would not remove the scar if he could, as "scars can come in handy", and this is when he points out that he has the underground scar. That he also says that Harry "will have the scar for the rest of his life" is eery--why is he thinking along those lines? Is he thinking of Harry's life being short? Is he aware of some other prophecy?

Anyhow, DD is fixed on the scar's usefulness. We've seen one form of usefulness so far, which is a window into LV's states, at least until LV turns it off so to speak. I doubt that DD's statement about it coming in handy is finished being unpacked tho. The scar being the metaphor for the damage LV did to Harry by depriving him of parents, attacking him, and intruding gratuitously into his life, the scar is thus also a metaphor for Harry's humanity. I suspect that humanity will, if anything, be what he uses to defeat LV.

harys scar will disapear when he defeats LV
BECOUSE SCAR IS A PART OF LV SO IF LV GONE THE SCAR VIL BE MISING TOO

I also think if Voldermort is killed then it will dissapear because it would make a great ending. And i read somewhere that the last word in Harry Book 7 somewhere is Scar though of course it amy not beenterily trustworthy.

Because J.k will have kept it secret..

i think the scar will dissapear because thatz voldemorts connection eith him if there is no voldemort there will be no scar!!!

but there is a chance that the scar might stay but it wont be effective!!!


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hermione

p.s: good question!!!!!!!!

No. The scar will remain. It's a physical mark of being hit by a powerful curse (I believe Dumbledore said something like that once, correct me if I'm wrong) and scars don't just disappear into thin air. And even if he does defeat Voldemort, although its magic powers are most likely to disappear and his connection to Voldy will cease, it will still be there. But if it is a mark of Harry being a Horcrux, I'm not really sure what will happen. Of course, the magic connected to it will cease, but if he is one of the Horcruxes, that would mean, if I have understood it correctly, that Harry himself must die in order to defeat Voldy completely, but that still doesn't mean the scar disappears. And though it would make a great ending if the scar disappeared after he'd killed off Voldy, I don't think that's gonna happen, but hey, you never know.

i think that Harry is a horcrux, and i think that the scar might be the mark that Harry is Voldy's horcrux. I think that if Harry somehow destroys the horcrux inside him then the scar will disappear.

Excellent question. I think the scar will stay there, but all of its powers will be gone because Voldemort will be dead. It is how Voldemort "marked him as his equal" and I think he will continue to have it, even if Voldemort dies. Dumbledore said in SS/PS that Harry would have that scar for life and he had already heard the prophecy when he said that. So, I think that whether Harry kills Voldemort or not, his scar will stay there. All of the powers of the connections will be gone, however, because Voldemort will be gone. Great question!

The scar will have to stay there... it can't just vanish. But maybe you know how Harry doesn't like the attention? Well Hermione could figure something out on how to get rid of it cause LV is gone but that just came to my head so it may be a real stupid idea... But the powers are definetly gone, why not be unique?

Not to get too religious, but I think Harry's scar will stay like Jesus' did. It's not just a mark connecting him and Voldemort, it's a mark signifying him as the Chosen One, it'll be the mark that tells everyone he defeated the Dark Lord. Whatever remnants of Voldemort are in Harry will disappear when Harry defeats him, but the outward manifestation will stay.

Thats a good question. Ithink it some just vanish.Because if voldemort was defeated the scar wouldnt have any powers at all.

I personally think that Harry will live and still have his scar foreevr or it might become nothing after voldy gets deafeted

I believe that Harry will defeat Voldemort, but that the scar will remain.
Though Harry complained a bit in the fifth book about his scar being a pain, I think that it would be a sign of pride and a constant reminder of the great things he accomplished.
On the other hand, I see no logical reason why it would just leave or suddenly disappear. It is a legitimate scar, after all...

J.K. Rowling has never said anything about this, but I think it would be cool. Every time a horcrux is destroyed, Harry's scar fades a little each time. Then, when there are no more horcruxes left, just Voldemort, then Harry's scar will look like a scratch. Just a thought.

But really, I don't think the scar will fade. It is there to remind Harry of what Voldemort did, the pain he has caused him, and that is why, in my opinion, is a major factor in why Harry will stop at nothing until Voldemort is dead. He can't look into a mirror without seeing it, so it is constantly in his thoughts. Even after Voldemort's dead (and Harry is hopefully still alive) Harry will look upon it, as well as his children, and their children, and Harry will be able to describe to them why it is there.

I have to agree with Triad to a point. I think the scar will stay and harry will still be a parselmouth and all that. I think the connection to voldemort will be gone, but only because voldy will be destroyed. We know dumbledore says that on that night he believed that voldy transferred some of his powers to harry giving harry those ablilities. I agree the scar is just the tell-tale sign of that power transfer. The scar is irrelevant, but the powers are relevant.

PhoenixCycle aka Drist Mason

I like that theory the one where each time a horcrux is destroyed his scar fades a little bit more and more. I'm kind of neutral right now I'm not sure that I fully believe it will disapear but also I'm not fully convinced that the scar will stay there forever ( that is if harry survives the war)

We have some evidence that Harry will always have the scar.

1. Dumbledore said at the beginnins of SS, "He will have that scar forever."
2. The last word in Book & will be "scar."
3. The series has just built-up and always had the scar be important. The "P" in the title comes down in a lightning bolt.

You're right fresh-pickled toad. It could also be: the world will always remember Harry Potter and his scar

his key to destroying voldemort isn't the scar, its love . love isn't just sappy and soft. i mean, isn't love what gave harry so much rage after his godfather died? i think the scar is just a reminder to harry about what he must do, instead of trying to be a real teenager and be normal. its like having your mom nag you to clean your room. she'll always be there in the back of your mind. when you sleep, eat and hang out with your friends .... and having a person (in this case a scar) that reminds you ALL THE TIME, SUCKKKS!!

Even though I hate to say it...I think Harry is going to die anyway. But if he does survive, then the scar is going to say. Like you've been saying, it's a physical thing and it can't just disappear off his head...that would just be weird

I think the scar is a horcrux so either it will be gone because Harry destroys it and lives, or it will be gone because Harry destroys it and dies. If Dumbledore thinks Nagini is a horcrux because it is more loyal to Voldemort than a normal snake, and the diary because it shows more of Voldemort than an ordinary enchantment then Harry's scar burning and emotional connection to Voldemort aas well as his ability to speak parseltongue are reasons enough for Harry / his scar to be a horcrux. I don't think Harry himself could be one, protected as he was by the love of his mother so I think the scar is. If Harry is to live or die I think he needs to remove the last horcrux from himself (perhaps by sacrificing himself).

I think Harry will still have his scar at the end of the book

The scar is one of the things that has made Harry into the person he is today

We know that Voldermort inadvertedly transferred some of his powers to Harry when his avada kedavra curse failed.

Marking him as his equal and creating the one person who could defeat him

its like Dumbledore said in marking Harry as his equal he created the remarkable person Harry is today.

Harry does not like the idea that everyone keeps looking athis scar

I think that even in the unlikely event that his scar did disappear that he would still get all the attention.

Everyone in the wizarding world knows who he is and scar or no scar if he defeats voldermort- which he will, he will still need to live with all the attention.

I also dont think Harrys scar is a Horcrux. Voldermort may have went to Godrics Hollow thinking that he would use Harrys death as the significant death for his 6th and last horcrux.

As we know it went disasterously wrong and Voldermort was torn from his body to live his half life in exile.

Voldermort says he admits he forgot about the ancient magic which protected Harry

He would not have had time to recite the spell to make the Horcrux before being ripped from his body.

My theory is that Voldermort only ever made the 5 horcruxes

He may have made a new one since regaining his body but I dont think so

He might still think he can make a horcrux by killing Harry in the future

If he only made 5 horcruxes then Harrys job is easier. Ring and Diary deatroyed. Locket we dont know - did RAB destroy before Voldermort catch up with him. if locket destroyed. This could possibly just be Nagini the snake and something from Gryfindor/Ravenclaw and off course Voldermort

Ive just had a thought Dumbledore thinks that even Voldermort has a extreme hold over Nagini, could the link that joins Harry and Voldermort together also mean that Nagini will also take orders from Harry

Here is a theory after having got Gryfindor/Ravenclaws horcrux harry then goes looking for Voldermort/Nagini because they are always together.

I love this idea. Harry turning Nagini against Voldermort Harry could have Nagini attack Voldermort turning Voldermot back into his half life spirit

Then Harry kills Nagini telling the snake he is sorry but he has to do it

Some phenonemon arises where Voldermorts soul or body is returned showing everyone including the deatheaters that Voldermort is dead.

Death eaters are rounded up and sent to Azkaban which is now being guarded by the giants that came to help with the fight against Voldermort and the dementors are sent to an uninhibited island where they die as there is noone to suck the hapiness out off

Please tell me what you think I may have veared of the topic a bit but still ties together

I think that his scar will remain. That scar got on his forehead as a result of Lily's love protecting him from Voldemort's killing curse. If we think symbolically, it's the physical sign of her sacrifice. It represents the love that protected him. Yes it links him to Voldemort, but he didn't get the scar because Voldemort tried to kill him. He got the scar because his mother died trying to save him. Because she loved him.

What if the final word of the Epilogue to Book 7 is scar because Harry becomes a father and his child is born with a similar scar? The power of Lily's love would still live on...

It's out there, but I keep clinging to it because then, at least, Harry gets to live. Too many of my other theories don't have such a conclusion.



Good point.

The entire series is a loose allegory, so it makes sense that the Christ's scars would remain, just like Jesus'. In Christian tradition, Jesus rising from the dead after three days signifies his defeat of Satan, but when he walks again on Earth, he still has the holes in his hands and feet and side to show to Thomas.

I agree with Robin Judson. I think the scar is a horcrux that Harry will have to destroy. Personally, I believe he will be able to destoy it without dieing in the process. I have a number of theories but that would be way to off topic. Anyways, upon Harry destroy his scar/horcrux, the scar will disappear.

However, if by chance the scar isn't a horcrux, I think Harry will have it for life as a reminder of everything he's been through and the sacrifices he and everyone else has made for Harry to live and LV to be destroyed.

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when Voldemort is killed the scar would stay but all its connection between Harry and voldy would be over.it wont hurt anymore

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I think that his scar will stay but it will become a completely normal and it will never bother him again. a scar would not just disappear but if LV is dead the connection will be broken and his scar will never have to warn him or tell him what LV is up to.

I think that Harry's scar will go away. Only because he's going to defeat/kill Voldemort, so why would he need the scar after he's defeated Voldemort. That wouldn't make any sense. So i think that after he kills Voldemort the scar will go away because Voldemort is no longer upon the wizarding world and Harry can get on with his life. And with no Voldemort, Harry wouldn't need his powers that connect Harry and Voldemort.



Sirius

That's all good stuff, but I guess I tend to think that the scar will remain and the powers will go. Rowling has apparently said that if you know the Christian story, you'll have a good idea of the ending of the series so whether Harry dies or lives, I suspect the scar will be there to remind people who he is and what he has done.

well if it helps

i broke a rake that gave me a scar and mine didnt go away...lol kidding kidding

seriously though,theres no reason why the scar would go away...and why has it been plaguing you <or whatever you said> whether it will stay or go?

This is just my opinion, but I think Harry will die lwith his scar. My idea of the last sentance is "Ron watched as the coffin closed; no one would ever again see Harry Potter's scar."It's sad, butwouldn't there be more books if he lived? There wouldn't really be a story. Agree? Disagree?

I looked around a bit and I didn't find a thread similar to this one, but if my searches failed please feel free to lock this.

This is just an epiphany i recently had and was wondering what everyone else here thought.

If Harry kills Voldemort, or somehow Voldemort dies, doesn't that mean that Harry's scar will leave his forehead?

Thanks guy, let me know what you think.

I dont think it will disapear... it was a mark from his mother.. i think it will stay with him.
But it could disapear... but it has been edited' that its not the last word any more.

hmm... interesting thought... Yes, the scvar might disappear, if the scar is a horcrux that might be possible... though I don't think that just because of Voldemort's death the scar would disappear. Death does not undo the spells a wizard did while he was alive. We know that the scar is a mark of an evil spell and even if voldemort dies i don't see a way it could just disappear

Actually when a wizard dies his spells are undone. We saw that at the end of HBP when Harry was released from the restraining spell DD had on him and he knew deep down it could only mean one thing, that DD was dead because when a wizard dies his spells are released. I personally do not think the scar will disappear but I felt that I should throw that explanation in there. But this also brings up another point. Why did DD not die instantly from the curse? When the curse was performed it says in the book that Harry tried to scream but couldn't because DD's spell was still in affect but if Snape's AK had killed him then why did it take a few more seconds for the spell to be lifted. I think DD is definately dead. I am not a supporter of the DD is really alive theory. I just thought it was interesting.

I don't know if that makes sence to me... Well, Voldemort killed hundreds of people while he lived with the Avada Kedavra curse, right? Would what you said mean that they would rise from grave? lol but if what you said is true than a lot of things in the book doesn't make sence. For example - the Grimmauld Place. I remember in the Order of the Phoenix someone said that sirius's father put a lot of defence on the house, many spells known to mankind. Since Sirius's father is dead, wouldn't the protection wear off if your theory is true? Yet it works perfectly well. Also, the charm Harry's mother used on him for protection? There are many examples, really

but the thing is, this isn't really a theory. We have irrefutable proof that a spell (at least a jynx, i believe the restraining spell is a jynx) removes itself once the person who cast it dies.


and on page 584 "The door burste open and somebody erupted through it and shouted, "Expelliarmus!" Harry's body became instantly rigid and immobile and he felt himself fall back against the tower wall, propped like an undsteady statue, unable to move or speak. He could not understand how it had happened - Expelliarmus was not a freezing charm-"

on page 596 we see "Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore" 'Avada Kedavra'"

dumbledore dies.

pg 597. "As they (death eaters including snape and malfoy and fenrir) vanished through the door, Harry realized he could move again."

but then looking at the last quote, no one had obviously purposefully released him from the body freeze, i mean, no one was there except for DD and the death eaters and if the death eaters knew harry was there, unfreezing him wouldn't have been there first thought and DD was dead so he couldn't physically unfreeze harry. The only explanation is when the caster dies, the spell that is currently in effect leaves him.

but there was a good point brought up about shouldn't the spells placed on Grimauld place be removed? or maybe they're carried through as long as a black owns the house. but if thats not true, maybe jkr made a mistake, perhaps purposefully. shes done it before.

for example, harry should have been able to see threstrals his whole life cause his mother was killed right in front of him but jkr changed it, admitted to changing it, so that only after harry saw cedric die would he see the threstrals.

I'm sorry. You misunderstood me. I was just referring to DD's spell at the end of HBP. Any spell that is being held by a person that dies will be removed when he dies. So because DD was restraining Harry with his spell, when he died, that spell was removed. I'll quote the book so you know what I'm talking about with the spell being removed at least and you can interpret it for yourself but it seems pretty clear cut to me.

"He had known there was no hope from the moment that the full Body-Bind Curse Dumbledore had placed upon him lifted, known that it could have happened only because its caster was dead, but there was still no preparation for seeing him here, spread-eagled, broken..."

EDIT: In respone to Rising Darkness. Thank you, you interpreted what I was saying and gave a lot of good proof. I had typed this comment before I saw your post. I think in this case it is not a mistake by JKR I just think it doesn't apply to powerful enchantments like the ones DD placed on the Dursley's home.

Not neccesarily
This is a scar. Perhaps not a normal scar but its a scar. Even if a person uses a certain cream to lessen the intensity of a scar, it'll still be there.

Then again,
the "scarring" from his parents death could be considered as an emotional characteristic rather than physical. And that scarring will also be there forever.

but the thing is, normal muggle scars (hehe) are caused by biking accidents, scrapings, knives, things along those lines... this was caused by a spell, nothign physical, and it has such magical chararcteristics, for example, why would it hurt every time voldemort is near or feeling strong emotions.... things along those lines.

this scar on my knee, i was riding a bike and i feel over and scrapped my knee pretty bad. but it doesn't start hurting everytime i get near a bike.

His scar will always be showing up on his skin. Since the curse that caused the scar to appear on his forehead was so strong and so full of hate, I don't believe it will ever disappear just by Voldy dying. Thinking back on the scene of DD's death, it never really tells you that the spell that forced Harry against the wall was undone just because the caster of it died. Think about it, Snape could've been in on it and silently unlocked harry from the spell. And about Sirius' parents' house; it proves that spells don't wear off when the person who performed it. Clearly his parents are dead and the spell remains to keep working. So the theory about spells isn't entirely true.

If you follow the style in which JKR writes you can tell that the part that I quoted means that this is not just a theory. Spells really are lifted when the caster dies. However, like I said, I doubt that applies to huge enchantments like the one on Grimmauld Place and Privet Drive, or the one Harry's mother put on him.

You have very good points there, but who ever said the spell would wear out at privet drive? well we all knew it would when he turns 17 anyway. Since he's officially an adult. I don't understand this 'his mother cast a spell on him' it would never work since she obviously died and we know that the magic is from her sacrificing herself. I never recall reading about Lily Potter putting a spell on her own son.

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[quote]but the thing is, normal muggle scars (hehe) are caused by biking accidents, scrapings, knives, things along those lines... this was caused by a spell, nothign physical, and it has such magical chararcteristics, for example, why would it hurt every time voldemort is near or feeling strong emotions.... things along those lines.

this scar on my knee, i was riding a bike and i feel over and scrapped my knee pretty bad. but it doesn't start hurting everytime i get near a bike.
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I get what you are saying here but I think in this case it is still a very physical scar. What makes me think this is what Snape says after he heals the wounds on Malfoy from Harry's sectumsempra. He says something along the lines of if he gets to Madam Pomfrey soon she might even be able to keep him from getting many scars. Spells can definately leave physical scares however the sectumsempra was a curse that actually cuts someone while the AK is "supposed" to leave no sign of physical damage whatsoever of course Harry's scar is the exception like usual but I say that to say the AK should not leave any sign of physical damage so you are right in saying that it is not a normal muggle scar however i think other spells like the sectumsempra do leave what we are referring to as muggle scars for lack of a better term.


read my post it says nothing about her putting a spell on him. i don't know why you put that in quotes. my post clearly says enchantment and we have learned throughout the series that enchantment is a very strong word and refers to things far different from just spells.

You're most certainly right about the Sectumsempra curse having the ability to cause scarring (pointing out the fact that Snape said that, hehe) Everyone knows that since the AvadaKedavra curse doesn't leave damage and since Harry survived, was left with the mark showing that it can show some damage. Aberforth_Rocks_My_Socks- I am deeply sorry for not really reading through what you said before and not understanding and just writing a bunch of trash having no idea what I was thinking. I misunderstood a lot, I guess you could say.

Haha thanks. Apology accepted. I just think that JKR makes it pretty clear in the books that there is something much deeper about enchantments. Whenever she uses that word it is referencing either very strong or very mysterious magic. It usually aplies to magic that exists on things without the caster needing to actually be doing anything like the enchantments on the houses or the enchantments guarding the horcruxes or the enchantments in the cave etc. I wouldn't go as far as saying enchantments are permanent because we know they are not but they definately last much longer than spells.

Thanks for the well, apology accepted thing, man was I being a jerk. I guess I'm Way out of it since its summer and everything.
Enchantments can last a long time, I think it really depends on how powerful it was casted and how powerful the witch/wizard is. I like to put them as spells that last a lot longer and much more powerful effects. Much more complicated too I may add.

I think that the spell put over the Grimmauld place house was a much more advanced enchantment that was mean to not be broken... but DD simply used a spell like Petrificus Totalus to freeze him... it was nothing extroadinary.. Thats why it could be broken.

Harry's scar wont disapear... it was also because of his moms sacrifice... and she died? I think its there to stay.

I think there's more to the scar than we know. This line of thought is prompted by Malfoy's remark when he was trying to get Harry to give him the prophecy orb in Book 5. He asked Harry if he wanted to know the real truth behind his scar (paraphrasing here). I think there's more here than we know and I hope it's revealed in Book 7.

Excellent retaliation
I also have another example, Alastor Moody.
Moody has so many scars that are all over his face from spells and curses. Though someone may say that Harry's scar is no ordinary scar I'm pretty sure it is. If scars could dissapear, Moody would actually look like a normal human being. *gasp*

No, I don't think that Harry's scar will leave his forhead I mean what's done is done, you can't unscar a scar. It's kind of like at the beginning of Harry Potter and the philosopher's stone/or sorcerors stone(depending on which you prefer)


Mcgonnagle( sorry for my spelling, but you know who I mean) asked Dumbledore if he could remove Harry's scar, and he said something like "If I could, I wouldn't..."

So obviously if Dumbledore couldn't remove it obviously it's not going to magically disapear the moment Volemort dies