nevillesgirl
Sep 26 2007, 05:41 PM
I'm sorry guys...

I am going to have to disagree with the whole Molly thing. She is the one character that
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I was hoping to die in book 7 anyway
She is so motherly and overprotective to the point where it borders on annoying. I see her as somewhat of a nag and bullying Arthur into submission on some issues of child rearing. I don't think Severus needs a woman like that at all! Her strength...yes, but everything else, Im just not feeling it. Thank goodness Severus can find the qualities of strength in other women.
I was just wondering if I could ask a question?
What do you all feel that Severus Snapes' BEST QUALITY was and why? What was his WORST and why?~Amanda
SeverusBlack
Sep 26 2007, 11:47 PM
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I'm sorry guys...

I am going to have to disagree with the whole Molly thing. She is the one character that
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I was hoping to die in book 7 anyway
She is so motherly and overprotective to the point where it borders on annoying. I see her as somewhat of a nag and bullying Arthur into submission on some issues of child rearing. I don't think Severus needs a woman like that at all! Her strength...yes, but everything else, Im just not feeling it. Thank goodness Severus can find the qualities of strength in other women.
Amanda, its good that you saw Molly's strength. However, I never wanted any single weasley
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to die in book7
The Weasley's are the epitome of a poor but loving and caring family where friensdship is their strength and open to each other as oppose to Snape. If I were to decide I would rather Snape to belong in this kind of family to neutralize his being self centeredness.
Phoenix_1
Sep 27 2007, 12:49 AM
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What do you all feel that Severus Snapes' BEST QUALITY was and why? What was his WORST and why?
I would say that his best quality also is one of his worst treats...I'm talking about his admirable capacity of concealing things, such as feelings...that made him succeed in his task of helping Harry to vanquish the Dark Lord, yet also led him to a life of complete solitude...
nevillesgirl
Sep 27 2007, 02:13 AM
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QUOTE(nevillesgirl @ Sep 26 2007, 08:41 PM) [snapback]451185[/snapback]
I'm sorry guys...

I am going to have to disagree with the whole Molly thing. She is the one character that
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I was hoping to die in book 7 anyway
She is so motherly and overprotective to the point where it borders on annoying. I see her as somewhat of a nag and bullying Arthur into submission on some issues of child rearing. I don't think Severus needs a woman like that at all! Her strength...yes, but everything else, Im just not feeling it. Thank goodness Severus can find the qualities of strength in other women.
Amanda, its good that you saw Molly's strength. However, I never wanted any single weasley
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to die in book7
The Weasley's are the epitome of a poor but loving and caring family where friensdship is their strength and open to each other as oppose to Snape. If I were to decide I would rather Snape to belong in this kind of family to neutralize his being self centeredness.
~Interesting approach. I don't see Severus as being self centered at all. I see him as being cautious, one who is in self preservation mode so he stays alive. If this makes him seem aloof to others or that he is better then them, so be it. Self centered is just not him. He doesn't and has never craved the center of attention. He is most certainly capable of a deep and lasting friendship and a loving relationship and doesn't need to belong to the Weasleys to develop these kinds of traits.
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What do we know about the type of woman that we know for sure Severus did love? Lily was brave...so is Molly. Lily was beautiful...I'm sure that Molly must have been back in her youthful days. Lily was intelligent...I don't get a sense of Molly's intelligence from the books simply because JKR did not cast her in that type of role. Lily fought evil...so does Molly seeing as they were both Order members. However, why were the Weasleys not in the first Order when Lily and James were involved? Interesting...Lily spoke her peace but didn't nag...this is where Molly loses the battle for me. She nags. She is over protective...Could you see her smacking Severus upon the shoulder because he encouraged one of his children to tell him how taking the flying car went because he was naturally curious and him putting up with that? I absolutely don't. I don't see that every dangerous mission he went out on that she would be so worried, pacing, looking at her magical clock, perhaps begging him not to spy any longer...that his responsibility was to her and his family, not to the Cause? She is manipulative. Always trying to weasel some answer out of the trio about where they are going and what they are up to. Notice that even Mr. Weasely was in on helping the trio out in Book 7 but they deliberately kept Molly in the dark. Severus doesn't need that kind of relationship. He needs a partner that he can share his tasks with; that won't try to manipulate answers out of him. If he told her he couldn't tell her it is probably because the Dark Lord would use that information against her. If she was constantly trying to "get" information out of him...he would not only need to be on his guard from the Dark Lord, but from his girlfriend as well... not good.
~whew! sorry for the rant guys. I hope I didn't put anyone off with my opionions...they are just that. opinions.
HP number one Fan
Sep 27 2007, 06:28 PM
Hmm Molly Weasley....I'm not sure about her being a suitable match for Severus ...he seems to like his own space and be independant but Molly is quite forceful and would probably annoy him.
What do you all feel that Severus Snapes' BEST QUALITY was and why? What was his WORST and why?Oh wow I like this question.

Hmmm I have to really think about this actually there are so many things I love about him. Well
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other than the pure fact that he is 100% unique and not a sheep ( didn't in the end follow the crowd of Slytherin's and stay loyal to Voldemort). I would say that it was his capability to love despite the hurt and torment he has experienced even though Lily didn't love him back. It was that love which helped to redeem himself and to help Harry.
As for his worst...as much as I hate to criticise him it would have to be his disability to trust people. I don't blame him after what he has experienced but

I want him to let me in haha.
akima
Sep 27 2007, 06:51 PM
I think Molly and Arthur had important roles in the book to play; there's a reason JOKER couldn't bare to kill either of them. Molly and Arthur were really the only example we had of loving parents (that were living).
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Remember that even Harry, at one point, wished for a parent. I don't remember if this was in BP or D...but it really struck me.
Molly and Arthur were necessary to show us what a stable, loving home environment would be like in the wizard world. Of course Molly was annoying at times...but you have to respect her preserverance. She helped keep her entire family together during a horrible war, and took care of anyone and everyone around here no matter who they were. Family, friends, Order members, even annoying soon-to-be daughter-in-laws :-). No matter how she felt about them, she took care of them.
Coming from someone who lost her mother at 19, I can promise you that no matter how old you are, you never stop needing a mother. Snape may be a hardened spy used to taking care of himself and baring the world alone...but somewhere inside him, he still longed for someone to care for him as a mother should. No one outgrows this (the Dark Lord notwithstanding, of course, as he was hardly what I would consider human...).
As to Snape's best and worst qualities...I would also agree that his best qualities are also his worst. Severus Snape is a good spy, and very good at compartmentalizing his life, which therefore makes him an excellent Occulmens. I think Snape also feels himself unworthy of the good things in life: love, family, and friendship. Perhaps he feels that he doesn't deserve it. Perhaps he feels he cannot risk other people's lives by allowing them into his own. Whatever the reason, Snape has denied himself those things which Harry holds dear. He would rather hold in his demons than share them with anybody.
tonks&lunalvr
Sep 28 2007, 12:43 AM
I agree with both akima and nevillesgirl. I think that Molly had an important role to play in the book, and it wasn't with Snape. I think that he couldn't put up with all her little nagging, and bossiness. He would need someone that would treat him as an equal and not control him.
Hmm, Snape's greatest strength...
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I think it would be to love others and protect them, regarless of the toll it took on him. He loved lily soo much, and knew that James was a toerag. He wanted her to see that even if it meant she looked down on him. He also protects Harry, because of his love for lily, and risks his life over and over, just to keep him alive in her memory.
Snape's greatest weakness...
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I think it would be to take too much on himself and not trust, or get help from others. It really seemed to me like everything he did, he did alone. He isolated himself, maybe because he loved others and did not want to hurt them.
nevillesgirl
Sep 28 2007, 01:29 AM
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Coming from someone who lost her mother at 19, I can promise you that no matter how old you are, you never stop needing a mother.
~My deepest apologies. I don't know how it would feel to lose a parent and especially my mom. I would be lost with out her.
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Snape may be a hardened spy used to taking care of himself and baring the world alone...but somewhere inside him, he still longed for someone to care for him as a mother should.
~again I am going to disagree here. First, the question was not what type of woman was best suited to take care of Snape as a mother should but as a life partner, so I would not classify Molly as a life partner but as a mom, she most certainly was effective although annoying.

Secondly, I don't think this is what he was looking for at all. I think he wanted love. He wanted the pure love of a woman for who he was, for who he is. Not for someone to love him as in care for him and nurture and teach him. Severus is a very passionate man and I don't see that same type of passion in Molly. Her passion is in rearing her children...protecting them. There is a difference.
~Sorry, I have to go so I will post what I think his best and worst qualities are later. Great answers and discussions guys!!
~Amanda
workaholic_1231
Sep 28 2007, 01:41 AM
Molly and Severus.. interesting concept.
Well for those who are not already aware, when it comes to shipping Severus, I'm a huge Severus/Hermione fan. There are endless reasons behind my adoring this ship, and I'm virtually obsessed with it.
Question time!
What do you all feel that Severus Snapes' BEST QUALITY was and why? What was his WORST and why?Best:
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Loyalty. Oh come on, this is obvious. A man couldn't be any more loyal than Severus.
Worst: Inverted. If the man would just let his feelings out to someone or something, then maybe he wouldn't feel so regretful all the time. It's a hard trait to overcome though.
Great question Amanda!
Ashley
nevillesgirl
Sep 28 2007, 11:33 PM
What do you all feel that Severus Snapes' BEST QUALITY was and why? What was his WORST and why?I think that Severus' best quality and what made him so indispensable to the Order and Dumbledore was his ability to adapt...to change with the years, the surroundings, the happenings going on around him. I mean, if we are honest they both would not have gotten as far as they did without his help and with out is ability to conduct himself under pressure.
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remember the opening scene of DH where he was going to a meeting to give Voldemort information but sees a fellow colleague dangling from the ceiling? She pleads with him for assistance. How could Severus have known that was going to occur and yet he maintained his discipline and rolled with the punches because he still had a task to accomplish. He needed to adapt to his surroundings that day for sure!
I think that his worst quality was the fact that he never seemed able to forgive himself for the mistakes he has made in the past...all of them. I see him as a tortured soul in this area always striving to "prove" he was sorry, to do one more thing to
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assist Harry or Dumbledore for the magnitude of Lily's death on his conscience.
Does that make sense?
Oh and if your interested there is a new fanfic about our beloved Severus called Second Chances by yours truly
~Amanda
annesches
Sep 29 2007, 10:44 AM
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I agree with Phoenix_1 here. He was so good at hiding all his feelings inside him, was able to hide the truth and to tell lies as the truth in front Voldemort, as Voldemort was the greatest Legilimens. At the same time, this was also his greatest weakness, as he wasn’t able to show his true feelings to Lily. He was being hated and isolated and he doesn’t care because he doesn’t show his true feelings, as this also includes his true identity. He doesn’t want anyone to know that he had loved Lily and was willing to sacrifice everything including his life just to help and protect Lily’s son Harry, as Dumbledore has said “that I shall never reveal the best of you?” His best quality I think that he was capable to love Lily though he was certain that it was an unrequited love, still loving her even after her death, and was trying his best to help and protect her son with none other than his rival James.
Anyway being as he is, was what made him mysterious, interesting, complicated, and an enigma to me. Hehe and that’s what is important.
clara morgue
Sep 30 2007, 04:00 PM
OK.. you finished this now.. but Molly? I don't think so. If we're going to make a Lily-Hermionie-Molly combination anyway, we might as well just say there is nobody in the books that could be a match for Severus, that combination would be an entirely new character..
Severus' best quality.. his perception, intuition. the way he could see through the lies that people wove around him- and more importantly that he wove around himself. Without such accurate awareness of what the people around him were doing he never would have survived for so long in the midst of the Death Eaters. And it wasn't just on a large scale, he could see it in people, he could see the liars and the cheats, and the falseness, and take himself away from that.
Although.. the insight didn't seem to extend to himself- it didn't seem that he could see the way he was harming himself. It also offered him pain. He was the perfect weapon, but his insight lost him some of his humanity.
So apart from the positive sides of his intuition.. his unwavering and perpetual Loyalty.
And his worst.. Id say that would be his inability to let go of the past. He held grudges against James- and then Harry for years, which caused the people around him a lot of trouble and pain. Then of course, the grudges he held against himself; his guilt, his regret, the things he wished he had and hadn't done. He held on to these things for so long that they became part of him. guilt and regret- and pain, are part of his personality, and something that I really doubt he could ever leave behind after so long of accepting them as part of who he is. If only he had been able to let go of the past sooner, he could have lived a much happier life.
Clara}~
HP number one Fan
Sep 30 2007, 05:49 PM
Oh wow a very profound answer
Clara!
I must agree with you especially on the second point. Though like him I find it hard to forget the things which people have done to me. Somethings just stick in your head and its a constant battle to shake them off especially when it comes to bullies. People say that the more you are told one thing the more you believe it and James always called him Snivellus and told him he was ugly/greasy haired/a looser whatever and he probably had that engragved in his memory and thinks that they are the main reasons as to why
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Lily rejected him and people have rejected him too.
annesches
Oct 1 2007, 05:00 AM
there are things that are hard to forget and Snape is like that, he doesn't easily forget.
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he doesn't forget his love of lily, he doesn't forget the help he got from dumbledore, he doesn't forget jame's bullying.
i just hope he would have a better and happier life wherever now he is.
Hey guys I was interested in the relationship of Snape and his colleagues at Hogwarts, especially with Argus Filch, any thoughts?
happy posting
HP number one Fan
Oct 1 2007, 08:27 PM
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Wow! Well I'm guessing that he had no choice but to get along with most of the teachers whether he liked it or not as to make their job easier they have to work together. I think his relationship with Dumbledore was probably the closest relationship he had compared to the rest after all he was the only one who believed in Severus and didn't doubt him and even trusted him with teaching DADA.
I think he wouldn't get on as well with the others, for example McGonagall as they would have their fair share of disagreements. Filch seemed to be a Snape worshiper though haha well probably only because he was as cruel to the students as filch was lol.
halfblood prince$$
Oct 2 2007, 08:12 AM
What a great thread!Iam a real Snape lover.

Good worl Clara. I used to be a Snape hater but after the Deathly Hallows was released I was really sad for hating him.I told myself how could you hate a person who is purest at heart.My eyes filled with tears when I read that part really.
annesches
Oct 4 2007, 10:30 AM
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What a great thread!Iam a real Snape lover.

Good worl Clara. I used to be a Snape hater but after the Deathly Hallows was released I was really sad for hating him.I told myself how could you hate a person who is purest at heart.My eyes filled with tears when I read that part really.

Hello and welcome halfblood prince$$
glad that you have a change of heart towards our dear snape.
Hey guys, i know you've been busy, but hoping you could catch up this weekend.
keep posting
Phoenix_1
Oct 4 2007, 01:36 PM
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I don't see Severus as being self centered at all. I see him as being cautious, one who is in self preservation mode so he stays alive. If this makes him seem aloof to others or that he is better then them, so be it. Self centered is just not him. He doesn't and has never craved the center of attention. He is most certainly capable of a deep and lasting friendship and a loving relationship and doesn't need to belong to the Weasleys to develop these kinds of traits.
I agree with you, I don't think of Severus as a self-centred person; but the way in he acts shows that he is only triyng to survive doing his duty....if he was a complete different person I hardly doubt that he wouldn't have been able to complete the task. I think one of the reasons why he never craved for being the center of attention was that he had too much attention while he was a student at Hogwarts.
I also have to agree with the fact that I believe he was capable of having a partner without the other person being protective; I mean through the books we see that, in general, that he is a pretty independent person and I don't think he would stand someone with the characteristics of Molly Weasley.
I was interested in the relationship of Snape and his colleagues at Hogwarts, especially with Argus FilchGood question
annesaches...hmmm...I happen to believe that he had a cordial (and maybe diplomatic if you wish) relationship with his co-workers...even with Argus Filch, who deeply admired his treatment of students.
I guess the only person with whom he had the closest relationship (that, to me, wouldn't be close to friendship either) would be with Albus Dumbledore.
clara morgue
Oct 5 2007, 09:56 PM
His relationahip with his co-workers?
I think he probably got on quite well with some of them. Some, like Trawlenry, i can understand that he couldnt put up with for long periods of time, but he wasnt out to make enemies, he may have been cold and harsh sometimes, but he didnt want to be lonely. Nobody, in their hearts, wants to be alone. Severus was different in many ways- many that we love him for, but even he would never want to be lonely. Why would he treat co-workers badly? All that would gain him would be more enemies. I don't doubt that he could be sharp and sarcastic with them at times, we have seen enough of it to be sure, but the last thing he needed was more enemies. And he knew that.
I can see him respecting Mcgonagall, simply for her strength of character, and for the way that she, like him, could see what needed to be done.
Filch.. I can't imagine him exactly liking filch, he seemed to hate pettigrews weakness, and Filch seems quite like that, but i dont see him turning away the admiration. After all, how often did Severus recieve clear, open admiration? not enough.
Teachers like flitwick and binns, he probably put up with, and was polite to, but didnt have too great a liking for.
I think he had quite a good relationship with Poppy Pomfrey.. I don't really know why.. maybe because she was doing something that meant something to her- healing, and she also had that motherly vibe, she was a bit of a matron, looked after people, but didnt stand any nonsense. Her and Severus probably got on quite well (subtley of course, I dont think they went on holiday together or anything...)
Clara}~
HarryPotterIsLife
Oct 8 2007, 09:24 PM
His relationahip with his co-workers?
Hmm. this question made me think a bit. I think that he got a long with some of his co-workers, espically those in the Order. I really believe that him and McGonagal got a long well, because I think he really did have a loveing side for Harry, as did McGonagal. Plus, they were both in the Order, so they knew a lot of things other co-workers didn't. I agree with Clara also why he'd get along with McGonagal, for her strength and personality.
I also think he got a long with Trelawny, because like it was said in OOtP, he knew about the prophecy, as did Dumbledor and Trelawny. They may have had talks about it before, because like I said I really think he has a love in his heart for Harry.
But in all seriousness, I don't think him and Filch had any type of friendship. Filch is too into Mrs. Norris and being a lone to care about anyone else - exept Umbridge.
After the Burial
Oct 20 2007, 07:21 AM
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because I think he really did have a loveing side for Harry
I disagree. Snape never loved Harry. His hatred for James prevented him from loving Harry, mainly because Snape saw too much of James in Harry.
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Now, if Harry were Hariette, then things may have been very different.
Snape did not protect Harry because of love for Harry, but for love of Lily. His love, and Dumbledore, made Severus feel obligated to protect Harry. In that way, he was protecting the last piece of Lily.
HermioneGyrl2251
Oct 20 2007, 06:14 PM
I disagree with you. Snape loved Lily like crazy, and because Harry was the last remaining living part of Lily, I believe that in his own way, he loved him. He just didn't show it well. But there are times when the little things Severus did, showed his love. Like in Philosopher's Stone when he was trying to keep Harry from falling off his broom.
After the Burial
Oct 20 2007, 06:25 PM
Gyrl, you disagree? About which part?
You said Snape loved Harry in his own way. What makes you think that? He protected Harry, yes. By why does that mean Severus loved him?
I think you can protect someone without loving them. For example, Dumbledore protected Marietta from Umbridge, but did not love her. Harry protected Draco, and he certainly does not love him. Protection can be done for reasons other than love of the individual.
Now, you said Snape loved Lily like crazy. In the end, I think he did. They were friends for a long time. Snape could have certainly loved her. However, in the beginning, I don't think he loved Lily. Rather in loved the idea of her. Given time, that infatuation did grow into actual love for her.
akima
Oct 20 2007, 06:41 PM
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I think Snape's hate for James ran too deep for him to love Harry. Everything he did for Harry wasn't because he was Harry, or because he was James' son...it was because he was Lily's son. Even in his last moments all he wanted to see was Lily Evan's eyes. Had Harry been a girl, or had he resembled Lily more in looks, perhaps Snape could have seen passed the part of him that is James...perhaps.
I think if Snape were to have ever developed any love for Harry, it would have been during their Occulumency lessons (before Harry not nosy, anyway). Snape saw how Harry was raised...how his life was before he came to Hogwarts. He saw deep into his mind and completely unravelled him. If anything were to have demonstrated to Snape that Harry is not James...those images would have been it. We don't know all that went on during those lessons, but I'm guessing that Snape pretty much saw everything.
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Instead, as Dumbledore pointed out, Snape saw what he expected to see - what he wanted to see. Nothing more, nothing less.
Drinotonks
Oct 21 2007, 08:38 AM
Hello Snapettes, yes I'm back but only briefly, I'm sure I'll have to disappear again but I only have 6 weeks of my course to go then I am done and will hopefully have more time for great discussions. I kept thinking I'll just catch up on it all in the holidays and then they came and went, so I'm briefly popping by so people don't think I've deserted the cause.
So I'll answer the current question:
His relationahip with his co-workers?Well immediately I thought of Mc Gonagall, I'm not sure why, perhaps because she's older more mature, no matter her opinions she would be willing to help, very polite, and proper really. Apart from her desire to thwart Slytherin in Quidditch I think she's my first pick of not friends persae but if he for some reason needed something and DD wasn't around, I think he could go to her, he'd trust her, and not feel humiliated, she wouldn't belittle or laugh.
Obviously he had a close relationship with DD but I for some reason can imagine Snape giving more blindly hoping to get answers or results from DD but DD being a closed man would not have given back as much as Sev thought he was giving does that make sense? I would actually really like the hear another discussion with DD and Snape apart from thosei n the Princes tale to see how they unfold.
Do you think Snape knew DD was gay? Oh no was he gay after he was crushed by Lily? See what this revelation does it makes me question everyone's sexuality when I never really thought about their sexuality before. Grr
Moving on, I'm a bito n the fence with his relationship with Trelawney, on one hand I can imagine him rolling his eyes giving one word answers to her, but I can also see him wanting to know what will happen to him, a struggle of him questioning his choices, and he knows Trelawney is a Seer so he may question her on the odd occasion if there were any signs of his fate?
Filch is Filch, I can imagine Filch wanting a friendship with Snape but not the other way around. Can't you just imagine him wheezing running into Snapes office proclaiming he has a great new idea for toruring students, haha funny images but I think Snape might not have the time for him, a squib and simpleton, may be harsh but Snape isn't perfect remember and was a little obsessed with blood status as a child so I'm sure it would come up.
Slughorn, no way not friends
Proffessor Binns - does he have any friends?
Hagrid - I can see him having a hidden respect for, not sure why, he'd never show it but I think there'd be an understanding
Prof. Sprout - only as a mutual teacher relationship, he would need plants for potions ingredient, I can picture her laughing at him a bit as he says something that isn't funny but she'd laugh anyway and think that they have a little joke I think she'd like him, she'd be sure he could be a Hufflepuff and she'd be certain that he has a soft spot in there somewhere
Flitwick - mutual teachers
Yep thats it for now hopefully I'll be back soon!
Sabrina_Rose_Snape
Oct 21 2007, 10:42 AM
Hi guys. I have been away for a few pages…forgive me?
Guys! Spoilers…we don’t need them anymore!! Yes!!
passerby said so!
GO HEREWell firstly, welcome to SOSS
halfblood prince$$ your like it here, I’m sure.
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Thank you so much Sabrina.
Your welcome
SeverusBlackI’ve read over a discussion you all had not so long ago and I know the discussion is over but I want to add my view point…
There has been a discussion about Molly being fit for Snape. I basically want to say (well write) that I disagree. I agree with what
nevillesgirl said:
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She is so motherly and overprotective to the point where it borders on annoying. I see her as somewhat of a nag and bullying Arthur into submission on some issues of child rearing. I don't think Severus needs a woman like that at all! Her strength...yes, but everything else, Im just not feeling it. Thank goodness Severus can find the qualities of strength in other women.
That’s all I want to say

That I agree with
nevillesgirl.
Yeah questions to answer…
What do you all feel that Severus Snape’s' BEST QUALITY was and why? What was his WORST and why?A hard question, I think, as Snape had many qualities many of which you guys have already mentioned no doubt however I haven’t read your answer as I don’t want them to affect my answer but I shall read them afterwards…right then…
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Snape’s Best QualityThat is, to me, simple. Although his best quality does show a down side to it here I go anyway…I think that his best quality was his undying love for Lily. Love and compassion for someone else, is one of the most important things (I think) that makes us human, that defines us. To live life and not know love I think is sad. Love can change a person yes for both good and bad but its fills us with warmth and security (I am aware that this is not the case all the time). However for Snape this undying love for someone he loved who was then taken away from him does and did have a down side. And that was that he was then blocked away from the rest of the world who never saw the best of him.
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Snape’s Worst QualityNow I think this is easy to answer to, well for me that is. Right well I think that the fact that Snape could hold undying grudges was one of his worst qualities no doubt that as a result of having bitter eyes towards people (for good reason yes) but that made him harsh and cold inside perhaps blocking him from other things. I’m an example of this holding severe lasting grudges as I am holding one right now to my last drama teacher, I have my reason to hate him trust me and I am holding onto one of the biggest mistakes of my life by holding a grudge against him and it consumes me and my friends have noticed how bitter, cold, violent and lacking in both self-confidence and self-esteem I have become. I imagine that Snape is/was just like that.
Now I have read your answers guys and there great!

I will answer the other question another day
madie
Oct 21 2007, 01:10 PM
Hi guys! I`ve just found out this morning that DD is gay. I mean was... do you think the other characters knew? Do you think Snape knew that DD was gay? Dumbledore must have had a love story in his past, he must have felt love for a long time so he could understand Snape`s feelings towords Lily. Just guessing...
annesches
Oct 21 2007, 01:11 PM
Hello guys,
Love your replies.
As answer to my own question. . . I know it did take a long time.
Colleagues in Snape’s time at Hogwarts,
Headmaster – Albus Dumbledore, we know that their relationship started when Snape requested him to protect Lily, and he promised to abide to his promise to protect Harry as a return favour. But this relationship has grown; it was now a many facets of relationships. A friendship beyond descriptions, they trusted each other to do certain extraordinaire tasks and protecting the others secrets.
Professors:
Minerva McGonagall – I think that with all of his peers, he respected her and thought of her as a good rival in the house and quidditch cup.
Filius Flitwick – again Snape showed his concern with his colleagues, as he knock him out during hbp, because he doesn’t want Flitwick to get into the battle as he knew he has task to do.
Pomona Sprout – he understand the passion of Sprout towards her plants, as he himself was very sensitive with his potions, even with his potion ingredients.
Rubeus Hagrid – he doesn’t care about Hagrid’s doubt in him, as he knew they were both given second chances. I think that he respected Hagrid all the same, because of his loyalty to Dumbledore.
Sibyll Trelawney – somehow Snape did harbour certain hatred towards her, as she was the one that make the prediction that led him into losing Lily. Anyway, after all what he saw of Trelawney’s teaching, his hatred may become into pity (shame).
Charity Burbage – tragic ending as he wasn’t able to help her, but this proves that Snape was able to cross the line from being a death eater and to become the member of the order and one of the most trusted people of Dumbledore.
Quirinus Quirell – Snape was in doubt with him ever since he came back from his leave.
Impersonator of Alastor Moody – well, Snape certainly doesn’t like him, I think that he even suspected him.
Gilderoy Lockhart – he certainly believed him to be a fraud.
Remus Lupin – I don’t think that Snape really hated him personally; it was the fact that he was with the Marauders, so he was not excluded. At least although grudgingly he stews the wolfsbane potion perfectly for Lupin, and he know that Lupin appreciate it.
Dolores Umbridge – even Snape doesn’t like her.
Horace Slughorn – nothing more than a former professor. I don’t know how Slughorn treated Snape as student, but as I can see he has his eyes only for Lily, fortunately it was her, because I from what I saw he doesn’t even respect him. Anyway, as we knew Slughorn if you’re not a member of the Slug Club, I doubt that he would bother to even know you as one of his students.
Staffs:
Argus Filch – hmmm. . . interesting, during Harry’s first year Filch help mend Snape’s injury with Fluffy. I reckon that Filch take orders from Snape wholeheartedly, as he worshipped Snape, especially in getting away in being nasty with students and the power to give detentions to students, in short to make the lives of students difficult. Haha!!!
Overall, I think Snape had earned the respect and trust oh his colleagues during his time as a professor at Hogwarts. After all, he was known to understand his subject very well and there was no known misdeeds that Snape has done.
This was of course referring to the time before the incident at the top of the Lightning Struck Tower.
P.S. Welcome HermioneGyrl2251 to SOSS
clara morgue
Oct 21 2007, 07:46 PM
Just a quick post.. im tired so none of it may make sense
In relation to Snape loving Harry.. He didnt. its painfully obvious, He loved Lily, and he helped and protected her son because he loved her, and harry was the only remaining part of her.
To love somebody.. you need to love at least some aspects of their character, you need to enjoy being with them, and most of all you need trust. for any kind of love, you need those, and in the disaster that was the Harry/severus relationship, there were none of those.
Harry was so much like his father, and whenever Severus saw Harry, he saw James. more than that- he saw lily, mixed with james. He saw everything he ever wanted, mixed with his worst enemy, in one little child, sent to make his life even more miserable than it already was. He loved Lily with all his heart, but he could never forget her, because whenever he looked at his worst enemy, he saw Lily's eyes. That must have been so painful for him- yet another thing that Severus had to deal with on his own, without letting it affect what he had to do.
Another thing...
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Sibyll Trelawney – somehow Snape did harbour certain hatred towards her, as she was the one that make the prediction that led him into losing Lily.
Did Severus actually know it was her? Did he know who made the prophecy? If he was listening in, he may not have seen her face, and he rushed off before the end of the prophecy.. he may never of known.
If he did.. if he saw, or if dumbledore had told him, how did he stand it?
Once again, Severus' mastery of restraint comes into play...
Clara}~
Phoenix_1
Oct 21 2007, 11:38 PM
Hello my dear fellow snapists
Changing a little bit the topic but still focused in our beloved Severus, I wonder if you guys had a chance to read the interview with JKR, and specifically what she said about Severus.
I'll quote that part just in case you didn't:
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... Q: Is Severus Snape's portrait in the headmaster's office?
JKR: Some have been asking why hasn't the portrait appeared immediately. It doesn't. The reason is that the perception in the castle itself and everyone who was in the castle, because Snape kept his secret so well was that he abandoned his post. So all the portraits you see in the headmaster's study are all headmasters and mistresses who died, it's like British royals. You only get good press if you die in office. Abdication is not acceptable, particularly if you marry and American. I'm kidding! [laughter] I digress. I know, because I thought this one through, because it was very important to me, I know Harry would have insisted that Snape's portrait was on that wall, right beside Dumbledore's. [Applause.] As for whether Harry would go back to talk to him, I think, I'm not sure he would have done. Snape, I was really [?] the week after I finished the book. And I went to a chat room - not a chat room, what am I talking about? [laughter] I never go in chat rooms. I went onto a fan site because I was looking for questions to put up on my Web site, which is sometimes difficult. And I was so heartened to see that people on the message boards that people were still arguing about Snape. The book was out, and they were still arguing whether Snape was a good guy But that was really wonderful to me, because there's a question there, was Snape a good guy or not? In many ways he really wasn't. SoI haven't been deliberately misleading everyone all this time, when I say that he's a good guy. Because even though he did love and he loved very deeply and he was very brave, both qualities that I admire above anything else. He was bitter and he was vindictive... but right at the very very end, he did, as your question acknowledges, acheive a kind of peace together and I tried to show that in the epilogue.
Now I understand the reason for not putting his portrait in the headmaster's office, it seems quite fair with the fact that the ones who have portraits while in service to the school...of course we could interpret that he didn't quite quitted, he was doing what was part of his job, he had to fullfill his promise to Dumbledore.
Anyways, I think that here she throws new light on her esteem of character, I'm not trying to say that she loves him dearly, she bares some kind of avesion towards him... but she doesn't seem to loathe him as some of us might have thought some time ago....but that's just my view, I'd love to hear yours though people

Sorry that my view is expressed quite plainly but I'm tired, but I promise I'll add detalis
annesches
Oct 22 2007, 11:58 AM
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Did Severus actually know it was her? Did he know who made the prophecy? If he was listening in, he may not have seen her face, and he rushed off before the end of the prophecy.. he may never of known.
The reason I presumed that he knew it was Trelawney was because Trelawney knew that it was Snape that was spying on her interview with Dumbledore.
If they were in a different room and heard the commotion happening outside in the middle of her trance, how would she knew that it was Snape, as she was described not to remember anything after her trance? Anyway so maybe I was wrong, because the descriptions on the prophecy that is being made is somewhat unclear as of the things happening simultaneously.
As answer to my own misconceptions. . .
First Situation:
Albus and Trelawney were alone in a room above the Hogshead. Snape was just passing at the right time and at the right place, but was thrown out by Aberforth in the middle of prophecy making. Then after the prophecy had been made, Albus came out and asked Aberforth about the commotion that just happened and he told him that it was Snape, so Trelawney being present realized that Snape was trying to get tips from her interview. So, after all Snape may not know that it was Trelawney, as when she was in a trance her voice become different and Snape didn’t saw them in person.
Second Situation:
The reason Snape being present at the Hogshead at that time was as not really clear, but as mentioned in hbp, Snape was ordered by Voldemort to apply at Hogwarts in order to spy at Dumbledore, so assuming he knew it was the interview of Trelawney so he went there to get tips, then Snape knew that it was Trelawney that made the prophecy.
The reason of Snape’s presence and the entire scenario of the prophecy being made by Trelawney for me is a bit unclear.
As to the portrait. . .
As I had said in my posts regarding this in other threads,
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Ok, Harry might not visit the headmaster’s office just to have a chat with Snape, but when he was up there I think that they could have talked, this time Harry was able to counter any nasty remarks by Snape, but with the likes of “shut up, you was capable of love yourself”, or “you just don’t want to admit how much you really did care.”
As with jkr, I think that she like Harry had finally understood our Snape.
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Dumbledore must have had a love story in his past, he must have felt love for a long time so he could understand Snape`s feelings towords Lily.
Yeah, Dumbledore did understood what Snape was feeling, because he himself had the same experience with Grindelwald, a love that is unrequited, they were both the reason to their love ones’ lives ending (one dead the other defeated and imprisoned), both have made difficult decisions in dealing with their love (one signing his death sentence to help Dumbledore and the other personally defeating his love one), and both endured loving them until the end of their own lives. Tragedy.
Now I perfectly understand why Dumbledore was so emotional about Snape replying “always”.
workaholic_1231
Oct 23 2007, 03:07 AM
Whoops, it's been a while hasn't it? Well lets see what I can produce.
His relationahip with his co-workers?I think that the basis of Severus' personality is how he doesn't exactly make the effort to socialize with his colleagues. This therefore makes me think that his relationship with his co-workers is virtually non existent. However, there are exceptions to this rule.
Obviously there was a relationship between Snape and Dumbledore (No silly, not
that kind of relationship! My slashy mind hasn't reached that far out yet!

).
There was also a relationship between Minerva and Severus, but this wasn't necessarily trusting or confiding, but merely both were right hands to Dumbledore, which forced their contact.
Ok, I'm sorry but I'm so sick of reading/talking about Dumbledore's sexual orientation, so hope no one minds if I ask a question that's not related to that topic.
This question has been asked several times, but since we have so many new members (Welcome all new members by the way!

) I thought I'd reask it for new answers.
What is your favorite ship with Severus (cannon or non)? What about that ship do you enjoy? Yes I know, typical question.
Ashley
clara morgue
Oct 23 2007, 06:44 PM
Hm.. yes, I suppose if he knew why he was to take the job at hogwarts... and knew it was Trelawney he was spying on.. Still, You could never tell by his actions towards Trelawney if he knew it was her or not.. Then again, Severus was always good at hiding what he truely felt.
As for Severus' Potrait.. In some ways, Im outraged that his potrait isnt in the headmasters office. He did so much for the school- most of which went unrecognised.. I really wanted that bit of recognition and appreciation, not to mention the honour, that would be gained by putting him alongside other headmasters. For one thing, it would put him equal, in many ways, to Dumbledore- whom he always looked up to.
On the other hand.. It may be pretty.. embarasing to him. I know the potraits aren't the actual person that they depict, but they have the characteristics. Severus might feel that he shouldn't be alongside these headmasters, that people would think that.
I cant explain it fully, but I have this feeling that Severus wouldn't be entirely comfortable being there.. If somebody else knows what Im talking about.. please help me explain!!
What is your favorite ship with Severus (cannon or non)? What about that ship do you enjoy?If its of good quality, I generally really enjoy SS-OC.. because original characters have no existing personality, they don't seem wrong- its not like trying to force two existing pieces of puzzle together.. its like creating another piece to fit the first.
When an author has true immagination, its also great to see how strories can unravel and original characters can become so real. I know its not a severus based fic, but Aridne in Louise's fics, is amazing, and so real.
However.. if its a blatent mary-sue character, I can't stand it.. or if the character has the potential to be good, but the story is written so badly its unbearable to read... That just irritates me!!
I also like some SS-HG fics.. but they have to be especially good- when people try and throw a pyscologically young hermionie with Severus.. it doesnt work. Darcey's time turner fic is a brilliant one.
If a fic has research to it- that little bit extra, has greatly evolved characters to it, and of course- shows Severus as he should be seen... I tend to like them!
Clara}~
Oh.. I know there are some Dumbledore fans here.. If you want to take a look, the new WAW-created site is now up,
here.
akima
Oct 24 2007, 01:08 AM
I also like the Snape-OC fics best. "The Other Professor" is a personal favourite on this forum. When I first started reading I never liked the SS-HG fics...but I've recently read some that are really growing on me...mostly those set later in their lives when Hermione is much older. In general my favourites are those showing a woman (whether older Hermione or OC) who is strong and witty. I think a passionate woman who can take Snape's verbal sparing and dish it right back would be deeply captivating to him.
annesches
Oct 27 2007, 06:23 AM
What is your favorite ship with Severus (cannon or non)? What about that ship do you enjoy?
I prefer the ss/oc ship, well as I find it none of the characters mentioned in the book that really suited him. Although some of the fanfic on ss/hg ship is fun to read, I did enjoy reading them, though am not a fan of this ship.
Let us turn the table around, who do you think will fall for Severus? What kind of persons whether fic or hp characters will like/love him?
Keep posting!!!
HermioneGyrl2251
Oct 27 2007, 04:51 PM
erm, who is OC? I am new to the site and desperately want to contribute, especially here, but I am at a loss with this one.
workaholic_1231
Oct 27 2007, 08:46 PM
What is your favorite ship with Severus (cannon or non)? What about that ship do you enjoy?What do you mean my prefrences are blatantly obvious?

Yep, I'm a SS/HG shipper all the way. I love to read and write fics where Hermione is out of school, or still in school. I've never been a fan of Time Turners, but there are two fics that totally blow my out of the water that are time turners. When it comes to this ship, obsession is probably an understatment.
Let us turn the table around, who do you think will fall for Severus? What kind of persons whether fic or hp characters will like/love him?I would still answer Hermione. In my head, it is his intelligence, sense of authority, and personality that draws Hermione in. I'm sure she would appreciate having someone to share intelligible conversations with.
EDIT:
HermioneGyrl2251, OC means 'Other character'. This concept is hard for me sometimes because some people have different ideas of who the 'other character' is. I hope someone else can give you a better example because mine is horrid.
EDIT 2: I had a feeling I was wrong. I haven't had to deal with the acronym for OC ever, which would explain my mishap. Trust
Clara's answer, she's my better half.
clara morgue
Oct 28 2007, 11:24 AM
huh

I thought OC was Original Character.. as in a character that the author of the fic created, as opposed to a character in the actual books??
Let us turn the table around, who do you think will fall for Severus? What kind of persons whether fic or hp characters will like/love him?Well.. anybody who can see beneath the surface and is willing to give Severus a chance could like him. As for loving him.. somebody that liked the mystery, but would listen to him, if he wanted to talk, somebody passionate- who could see the passion in him, but that didn't always need to be talking, or having adventures or the like.
Somebody that could see his needs, the things that he'd never say out loud, and was willing to help him. At the same time.. that person would liked to be looked after by him, which is something I've no doubt he wants to do.
They would have to be intelligent and share some interests with him... but also introduce him to new things- somebody that liked a challenge!
That's the type of person who could love him...
However, I've no doubt that people could easily become infatuated, maybe people that only saw the mystery and the darkness.. and liked that... of course (and we credit Mr Rickman with this) anybody who hears that voice...
Clara}~
HP number one Fan
Oct 28 2007, 08:03 PM
Apologies for my absence I have been drowing in school work. Never the less I have found a little time to visit the Snape thread
Let us turn the table around, who do you think will fall for Severus? What kind of persons whether fic or hp characters will like/love him?Wow! Well I think someone who maybe likes a challenge( seeing as Severus is a hard nut to crack when it comes to showing feelings of the heart). I also think that they would probably be very patient and understanding to some degree with all the issues he has faced in his life. Someone who can also see the best in everyone. I don't think that they would necessarily have to be interested in the Dark Arts/Potions or be as witty as he is but just have a big heart. I also don't think they would give up easily when it comes to winning him over.
HermioneGyrl2251
Oct 28 2007, 08:31 PM
Let us turn the table around, who do you think will fall for Severus? What kind of persons whether fic or hp characters will like/love him?
I am in the process of writing a fic where Severus falls in love with a girl. She is in a lot of ways like Lily Potter, but more quiet and a little more shy, but more on that later....
nevillesgirl
Oct 29 2007, 08:20 PM
Hmmm, leave it to me to stir up some trouble *muwahaha*
Maybe it is time that we have another collaborative fic that is a romance and see how the members of this site incorporate the Original Character and HG/SS shippers? That could seriously get interesting don't you think?
workaholic_1231
Oct 30 2007, 10:27 PM
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Hmmm, leave it to me to stir up some trouble *muwahaha*
Maybe it is time that we have another collaborative fic that is a romance and see how the members of this site incorporate the Original Character and HG/SS shippers? That could seriously get interesting don't you think?
Amanda, that is your most brilliant plan yet!

The only thing is, that we should probably move that idea over to the Snape/Hermione thread since that would be the general idea. I'll PM Elaine or Laurette or someone and see what they think. You're a genius!

Ok, to make my post not completely off topic, I'll ask/answer another question.
If you got the opportunity to go out on a date with Severus, where would you go?
What could you see potentially making the date bad?
Witherwings
Oct 30 2007, 11:25 PM
If you got the opportunity to go out on a date with Severus, where would you go?
What could you see potentially making the date bad?Hmm... Good question!

I think Severus isn't a very, uh... active type, so I'd probably go on a walk in the woods or along the water, something 'romantic' like that... I think he's more of that type of guy. I'd definitely take advantage of this opportunity and try to get to know him better by talking to him, but I wouldn't go too far in his personnal life, since this could provoque in him some sensibility, bring up some bad memories. I would avoid talking about Lily, unless he mentions he would like to talk about it...
Phoenix_1
Oct 31 2007, 12:11 AM
Oh good question
workaholic_1231,
If you got the opportunity to go out on a date with Severus, where would you go?
What could you see potentially making the date bad?I would go somwehere to have some drinks, where I could talk to him, in order to get to know him better, or to the park in the afternoon, definitely not somewhere packed with people and noisy...
What could go wrong, anything...throwing over him my drink while I'm very concentrated talking (it happened to me before...don't ask...

)
nevillesgirl
Oct 31 2007, 12:42 AM
QUOTE(workaholic_1231 @ Oct 30 2007, 12:27 PM) [snapback]460348[/snapback]
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Hmmm, leave it to me to stir up some trouble *muwahaha*
Maybe it is time that we have another collaborative fic that is a romance and see how the members of this site incorporate the Original Character and HG/SS shippers? That could seriously get interesting don't you think?
Amanda, that is your most brilliant plan yet!

The only thing is, that we should probably move that idea over to the Snape/Hermione thread since that would be the general idea. I'll PM Elaine or Laurette or someone and see what they think. You're a genius!

Ok, to make my post not completely off topic, I'll ask/answer another question.
If you got the opportunity to go out on a date with Severus, where would you go?
What could you see potentially making the date bad? ~*pats self on back* Occasionally, I come up with a light bulb idea

Actually, I don't think it has to move to SS/HG thread. I think we could team with that ship and make it involved to SOSS members and the HG/SS ship but have it running in the fanfic section. What do you think?
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If you got the opportunity to go out on a date with Severus, where would you go?
What could you see potentially making the date bad?
~Oh my goodness. I am going to assume that the reason we are on a date is because he is interested in me therefore I am not going to pretend to be someone I am not and take him somewhere I am uncomfortable. I assume he would want to see the real me so I think taking him somewhere relaxing is key.
We would have a sunset supper at the beach...a specific, secluded beach. There would be no house elves to serve us...we would do it ourselves to ensure our privacy. There would be conversation. Meaningful, intense discussion that pushed the envelope of our thinking and ideals. There would be subtle flirtations. Little glances, meaningful stares, light touches of the hands...No kisses though, he's going to have to wait for that and believe me its worth it
There would be huddling under one robe for warmth as we sit by a campfire and look at stars until the sun started peeking in the East. Then he would take me home.
Sweet aint it?
etphonehome
Oct 31 2007, 09:39 AM
OK, so rather than just reply to either Ashley or Amanda, I thought that I'd post here. You can do your fic, however, it is on the proviso that the previous collaborative fic is brought to a conclusion first.
This was started back in January and since Ashley was the last one to post and the new fic is Amanda's idea, I think she should do it!!
Anyway, once that is done, your new collaboration can be started in the Severus Snape section of the fan fictions. Whoever starts it up, remember to set up a feedback thread!
Thanks.
Elaine
Edit: One of you should leave a post in the HG/SS thread letting them know and inviting them to add to the fic....so it might be worth setting it up as a joint collaboration.
EliasOsiris
Oct 31 2007, 07:47 PM
And would it be too much to ask to have some sort of outline or timeline or something? Something like this is pre-HBP or post-DH or alternate universe, just so it's possible to stay on the same page, literally. The last fan fic was a lot of fun but not knowing when it was happening kinda made it hard to write. Also, having an ending in mind doesn't necessarily ruin it, so maybe that too?
nevillesgirl
Oct 31 2007, 08:20 PM
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You can do your fic, however, it is on the proviso that the previous collaborative fic is brought to a conclusion first.
This was started back in January and since Ashley was the last one to post and the new fic is Amanda's idea, I think she should do it!! biggrin.gif
Oh Elaine, you are sooo sneaky

'Have you checked out the SOSS thread yet?' ...cute!
Elias, yes we will set up some sort of timeline and structure for the new fic and hopefully get those guidelines out as soon as possible...apparently I have a fic to close first...hehehe!
workaholic_1231
Oct 31 2007, 08:54 PM
Amanda, quick! Go finish up so we can get started!

If you'd like some help writing more for the SOSS fic, I'm here!
Thank you Elaine, for helping out with the whole idea!
As of now we're setting up structured guidlines, a timeline, etc. so everything will run smoothly. As to when we'll finalize all of this... well, we're hurrying.

If you've got a comment, question or whatnot about the idea, we're open to suggestions! You're welcome to PM either Amanda or myself with your thoughts.
annesches
Nov 4 2007, 11:21 AM
If you got the opportunity to go out on a date with Severus, where would you go?
Awww. . .that’ll definitely made my day. Hmmm. . . I’ll let him choose the place, but if he insists, then I would take him to an exclusive island where only the two of us are the only people there. I’ll take him to the banks in our swimsuits (giggles!!! what must he thought of wearing swimsuits in exchange for his black robes for a day) and lie there facing the afternoon sky and let the small waves wash over our legs. Then I’ll let him do the talking, I’ll be a good listener let him discuss whatever he wanted, occasionally giving my views. Then if he wanted a good conversationalist I’ll be one. I could just lie there all day with him. At dusk we’ll prepare some cosy food and watch the sunset while savouring the meals. Then I’ll sit holding around his waist and leaning at his back shoulder while flying on a broomstick, a cool breeze swept on our face; the moonlight enough to let us see the ground below. It’ll be a date that I’ll forever cherish.
p.s. hopefully we could start out soon for the joint fanfic.
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