Yep, Yep. I Think Myrtle Sall Be Cutt Pitty Though.
I Think The Actress (Forgettten Her Name ) Who Played Her In CoS And GoF Did Quite A Good Job, Considering She Is Not Actually A Child

Yes, I Also Agree With All Of That.

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jayden

Hey...did anyone miss me? I woke up last Thursday and my internet no longer worked! Ack! So I had a lot of catching up to do!

But thankfully my son's friend Andy fixed my computer. Andy rules.

I'm really enjoying the movie discussion you guys have got going. I hope sincerely they feature Draco more, and I hope that the fact that they focus so much on 'Harry's Journey' will help for once--because in HBP Harry is almost obsessed with Draco! But we just never know what the heck they will do with the movies anymore. At least it appears that the scene on the Hogwarts Express will be shown--the one where Draco discovers Harry is spying.

I honestly think the reason Draco's hair looked semi-awful in the 4th and 5th films was because it was fake! Tom wore a wig. I know it was probably nicer in a lot of ways, since he wouldn't have to go around all the time with the blonde hair, but it didn't look quite right, either. I remember reading that Tom said that he has to get his roots done every 2 weeks during filming too, so that's bound to be a pain. But his own hair has always looked better. And I don't know...makes me wonder how long he had to sit in make-up every day, getting that wig glued on? You think it would take less time to get the dye job.

Moaning Myrtle...lol. I really think Draco talked to her because she felt safe. Draco knows as much as anyone that Hogwarts is full of spies. I doubt that he'd dare talk to anyone in Slytherin about 'fears.' He has to act as if he doesn't have any. No one else goes in that bathroom, so he doesn't have to worry so much that she might blab. I also wonder how much he knows about her--like whether she was muggle-born. Knowing Draco, he probably never asked about her--talking to her soothes him because it's about him. Or maybe, just maybe...he's starting to question his father by then...?

It's great to be back!

Ooh yes Darcy, we did miss you! I was actually on the verge of asking about you! Anyways, welcome back!



Totally true! I don't like the fake hair, I liked the bangs better, full bangs that is. Hopefully he lets it down and loose for HBP! I need to see that POA hair again. The color was better too.

Darcy, give Andy thanks from all of us! Haha, I was going to ask where you were.

Oh man, I hated Tom's wig, his natural hair looked soooo much better. The wig hair never looked quite right at the hair line, and they could never get the colour straight either. I agree with Witherwings, in PoA, the colour is the perfect blonde!



Witherwings, haha that's a good point!

I also like what Darcy said about Myrtle being safe to talk to and it's not like she would make fun of Draco for crying, she's the moaning queen of Hogwarts lol.

I wonder how much of the train scene they'll include in the movies. I highly doubt they'll have the part when Draco so violently breaks Harry's nose, even reading about that made me cringe.

Hello everyone!

I’ve been popping here ever-so-often recently, gathering enough courage to post. But just yesterday I found, in Darcy’s signature, the link to xdarkserpentx video and it persuaded me. I, too, would like to engage in “Dribbles and Drabbles Devoted to Draco.”

First, I must say that the video is really very good. One, it has highly persuasive qualities (see, I’m finally here), and two, it is really very well done. Like your other videos (particularly the Deathly Hallows trailer, but this is little off-topic, so I apologize).

Am I supposed to, as a way of introduction, to ramble on for a while on how fantastic and complex, and utterly bad too, character Draco is? Or may I jump straight into the discussion?

As for the inevitable cuts you are discussing now, I don’t think the scene where Draco breaks Harry’s nose will be included. My impression from watching the movies so far is that all the characters are portrayed somewhat stereotypically – always in the very same fashion. And though Harry is often hurt, never is it done in a humiliating fashion. I’m convinced that the scene where Draco breaks his nose, however, might be viewed by some as such. Its very setting is along these lines. It is Harry who is down on the floor whereas Draco who stands above him. This is an explicit hint at the power relations between the two at that moment. But I think it is necessary, at least on the screen, to maintain Harry’s image of a hero, who is above all the other characters, never down. Which is enough reason, I guess, for the scene to be unfortunately cut.

~Jana

Welcome Jana, and Welcome Back Darcy!


I Suppose Your Right. Pitty Though. It Was Always One Of My Favourite Chapters! But If They Cut That, They Will Have To Cutt The Bit About Tonk's Patronus Changing. And If They Cut That, Then It Will Make It More Complicated To Work Out That She Loves Lupin??? Unless They Re-Write That Bit. So They See It Has Changed Some Other Way? That Would Be So Annoying!

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jayden

and yes Jana, xDarkSerpentx's videos are awesome. i agree

Welcome Jana!!

And thanks soo much for the compliments on my videos! I didn't realize how strong the persuavise qualities were I'm sincerely glad you like them, and that goes for everyone here at DODDD. You guys make me so happy and make all my hard work appreciated.

You make a very good point Jana. Throughout the entire movie series the trend as always remained the same and goes as follows: Draco bugs Harry, Harry gets angry, Draco is humiliated. However, in the HBP book, things deffinitely change - especially Harry's character. His little obsession with Draco doesn't match his "Gryffindor hero" persona so like Jana said, anything that would undermine Harry and make Draco appear superior will be cut such as the "breaking the nose" part of the train scene and when I think about it, perhaps Harry's entire obsession will be cut. Also, according when Veritaserum met Yates on the set,



A romantic comedy?! Ok, Ron's and Hermione's relationship may be comical but seriously, he better not be making the ENTIRE film a comedy. Tonks and Lupin's relationship surely isn't funny. Weren't the books getting darker with each one? ANYWAY, back to the point...

If Yates is going to make this film light-hearted then I'm beginning to have doubts that Harry's irk with Malfoy and following him around will be included at all. There's already a lot to include so, he may just have Harry's story with the Pensieve, then Ron and Hermione's triangle, then maybe he'll sadly, only include random bits of Draco, after all, if JK doesn't want us to like Draco then the filmmakers will deffinitely support that. Agh, or maybe I'm just jumping to conclusions. Sorry about my rant! Hopefully the teaser trailer will be released soon so we have more to base our speculations on.

Thank yout both for such a warm welcome!

Although this might seem a bit off-topic, it all derives from the fact that the Draco-breaks-Harry’s-nose scene will be most probably cut from the movie. Although, xdarkserpentx, you correctly point out that it is rumored that HBP is turning into a romantic comedy *keeps her fingers crossed so that this is not the case* I actually don’t think that they are turning it into such a romance so as to include all the ships. Thus, jayden, I’m afraid Lupin/Tonks will be regarded as dispensable. Unfortunately, that is.

Sorry, for the huge digression. Now, back to Draco.


I cannot agree with you more, xdarkserpentx. And it’s not only Harry who changes, but Draco does so considerably, too. I know you’ve already discussed it before, but still. HBP is the first book where the readers get to see a Draco-person not a Draco-stereotype-of-a-Slytherin. But I guess this would complicate the movie too much. It is not important to get on the screen what really happens in the books, or what the characters are really like, but to communicate a story comprehensible even for those who have never read the books. Draco has always been portrayed in the movies as the simple and evil one and this will remain so, I believe. Though, great pity it is.

I apologize that my posts tend to be in a slightly negative sort of mood, but I rather don’t have high expectations and then I’m pleasantly surprised, staring at the screen and seeing Draco rather often, than the other way round.

~Jana

PS: No problem with complimenting your videos, xdarkserpentx. You most surely deserve the praise.

Yay, welcome Jana! It's great you've finally posted, haha. Anyways! Quoting you:



Actually, I think they didn't cut it, and if they did well it's just precisely the nose-breaking part. I don't know if you've seen the sneak-peeks, but they showed shots of Draco in the train (), so the train scene itself is definitely included.



Ack! I love how you put that. I totally agree, though. He's not who they all think he is, and I think it's time they portray that more sensitive side of him, for us to show the world that we actually do have a reason to fall for charming Draco!

ahhhh i havent bin on this conversation

oh well
firstly welcome potions mistress
i really dont want them to cut the bathroom scene or the train scene
i will be sad and angry if they do

i hope it isn't a romantc comedy because if it is then it will ruin the whole film and well yeah they will have alot of angry people on their hands
i mean come on

i dont think that they will show as much of harrys obsession with draco as in the books and i dont know if they will cut slughorns party or not or even that haryy will get as many invites as he did they might cut all but the ge t together on the train they might even cut that

MALFERRET

Firstly, Jana, don't worry about being too negative haha. I'm like that also, I'd rather have lower expectations concerning Draco's screentime and his participation in the storyline, and squee with joy when the movie surpasses my expectations.

I like the way you worded:



as well. I couldn't have said that better myself. (Jeez, I love your way with writing, your thoughts are clear and concise, something I usually have problems with. ) Anyway, it's true, in the books we see Draco from a different perspective but considering what you said here:



I think you're right that they will cut most of Draco's character development. Seeing as the plot is so thick in this book, Yates will have to concentrate more on that - this movie is almost like preparing us for the amazing Deathly Hallows movie that will soon follow - so it is essential that he gets the plot right to prevent confusion in the next movie.

Hmm, I'm wondering about Slughorn's parties. I could see them easily cutting it but in the train scene, it is a very good introduction to Slughorn's character but then again, I think his only major role in the entire movie is going to be when Harry has to get the memory from him.

Thanks for the additional welcomes, guys!

Oh my, now, I’ve revealed my total ignorance, Witherwings. *blushes in embarrassment* Actually, I haven’t seen the sneak-peek yet. Despite that, however, I still think my argumentation holds. It’s only natural they include the train scene. What I mean is that it has become a sort of a pattern that one version or another of a train scene is at the beginning of each movies. So it’s somehow expected, that they will have it even this time. Though I still think the breaking-the-nose bit will be absent from it.

As for Slughorn parties, again, I don’t put much hope in it. From what we know, the crew have locations for Slughorn’s house, so rather Harry and Dumbledore’s visit there will be Slughorn’s entrance on the scene. Sorry, sorry, I will not digress anymore.

I was just wondering about the way the discussion is lead here. I remember Witherwings suggesting once some discussion points. So what would you say to some questions again? (I know, now you think a newbie in DODDD and wants to change something, I apologize). For example I’ve been wondering for some time now,

What kind of relationship actually is between Draco and the head of his house, that is Severus?

Not necessarily in HBP but throughout the whole series. What do you think? I'm not talking in terms of "ships" in the least. I rather mean whether Draco looks up to Severus, or takes him as only another teacher or whether Severus is his favorite teacher or if Draco is in a way favored by the Potions Master or ... I can't wait to read your ideas. I’ll present mine in due course, too.

~Jana

PS: Now, I’m positively blushing (again) for your praise of my wording.

Now Jana- good question. I think that Snape was never particularly 'close' to Draco, but he sure did act like he was his favorite. I think this is only due to Draco being in Slytherin, the fact that their families are both somewhat close, and etc etc. But Severus sure cared for Draco, as in- caring for a student, not letting him go like that and agreeing to protect him, which I have to say was a good choice.

And MALFERRET, (I think it was you who mentionned it...) I don't want HBP to be a romantic comedy either... But I don't think it will, cause Michael Goldenburg (sp?) has been pretty good with the other movies and according to the sneak peek, yes- again! , there's a pretty good balance between love and magic (as in... Dark magic, Voldemort... you know). I hope it's true!

May I extend my welcome as well, Jana? I should have before! And I'm very excited to see you here among us, as I've greatly enjoyed your posts in other areas of the forums.

Before I launch into your discussion question (an excellent one, I must say), I wanted to let Jaclyn (xdarkserpentx) know that I read an interview of Emma Watson's, where she said they had just been filming the Slughorn party scene, and she loved it because she got to eat party foods all day. So that part must be in, too! But I don't know if Draco will be seen trying to crash the party or not.

Draco's relationship with Severus--my thoughts.

You know, I get this weird feeling that on Severus's side anyway, the way he feels about Draco is almost the way Sirius feels about Harry. Why on Earth would Severus allow himself to be persuaded into an unbreakable vow with Narcissa, concerning Draco's safety? The only thing I can think of is that Severus is fond of the boy--or has a hidden connection to Narcissa. Sometimes I've even wondered if Narcissa knew that Severus was actually on Dumbledore's side, and maybe that's why she came to him when she was so scared for Draco--hoping that Severus could protect Draco if things went bad. The fact that she willingly betrayed Voldemort at the end makes me wonder if those two didn't have a secret pact.

I also have a feeling that Severus looks at Draco and sees himself at that age--full of rage, wanting to get revenge against the people he felt had wronged him...and yet he knows what a terrible and pointless path that is to walk down. I wonder if that's why he tries so hard to advise Draco to be cautious in HBP. But Draco is too angry to be cautious, and too scared. And Severus can't tell him what he really knows, which must be excruciating.

As for Draco, I don't think he feels about Severus the way that Harry does for Sirius. He has a father still living, and practically worships the man. When Severus tries to step in a bit after Lucius is sent to Azkaban, Draco wants none of it--he just wants Severus to stay out of the way, and practically accuses him of trying to steal his thunder. I think he respects him as a good teacher, but there's little warmth in that respect. For Draco, it's all for Lucius.

Just how I see it--anyone else have a view?

EDIT--Ha! Witherwings, we posted at the same time.

Thank you, Darcy. And please, let me return the compliment, as I too enjoy reading your posts around VTM very much. Honestly, guys, I feel so comfortable among you here. Thanks.

What kind of relationship actually is between Draco and the head of his house, that is Severus?

I totally agree with you, Darcy, on the character of their relationship from Severus’s side. And I particularly like the way you parallel their relationship to that of Sirius to Harry. I think you sum it beautifully and I won’t elaborate on it further, as, in Elaine’s words, I don’t want to turn the discussion into another “Snapefest.” But you pose so interesting debating points with the whole Severus-Narcissa relationship. May I only suggest, you popped sometime in SOSS and posted them there, please? I’d definitely love to elaborate on them. (There are already ideas whirling in my mind on that issue).

As for the relationship from Draco’s side. Again, I agree with your words that certainly Severus is not for Draco what Sirius is for Harry. I think that Draco is aware of Severus’s inclination to his person and, true to his Slytherin nature, tries to make the most of it. I don’t want to put Draco in too bad a light, but I think he knows that he is one of Severus’s favorites and thus he just cherishes the relationship they have because he sees advantages in that for himself. I hope this isn’t too of a blasphemous question, but can’t Draco, in a way, be abusing the favor he feels or knows is coming from Severus’s side?

Actually, I’m not even sure whether Draco respects Severus as a teacher. I’m rather ambivalent as to what Draco’s relationship to education is in general.

Along another line. When you talk, Darcy, about Draco’s veneration of Lucius, is it really true that Draco perceives his father so high as we think? Isn’t it all only a part of Draco’s image? I imagine the Malfoys as a family who stick to rather conservative values – particularly to the unity and importance of a family. And so it is required, but sometimes not felt genuinely, from the family members to display affection for one another. Can Draco’s relation to Lucius be seen from this perspective, too?


I’m actually wondering which of the two emotions is prevailing in Draco at that time. Whether he is simply scared – because, honestly, who wouldn’t be having faced the Dark Lord? – and he becomes angry only later, when he realizes that his plan is not working the way he wants? Or whether he is such a rebellious character, who is angry in the first place at the very idea that he has a task from the Dark Lord, and becomes scared only later realizing the possible punishmen in case of his failure?

Oh goodness, I haven’t enhanced the discussion much, but instead heaped another host of questions on you. I hope we can deal with them somehow together.

~Jana

First, thank you Darcy for reminding me about that interview with Emma Watson! I completely forgot, lol. So you're right then the parties will be included. I'm wondering as well if they'll include Draco crashing it - I hope so, I loved that scene but I love any scene with Draco!

As for Jana's question:

What kind of relationship actually is between Draco and the head of his house, that is Severus?

That's a really good question, but sadly, my perception of Draco and Severus' relationship has been slightly distorted by reading too many fan fictions! Right now, I'm having a hard time using the books as references in order to reach a conclusion. My opinion may be slightly bias, but I do like everyone else's responses. Especially whether or not if Draco only sees Severus as a teacher, or if there is any deeper respect between them. Personally, I like the idea of considering Severus as Draco's godfather, or as a mentor, but that may only exist in fan fiction.



That's a very good point. From that scene in the book, it seems like Severus really does care a bit more for Draco than Draco does for him. You're right Darcy, Draco does have a father figure already unlike Harry who placed that role on Sirius - I love how you caught that parallel.

I also agree that Draco more than likely does abuse Snape's "favourtism" (sp?) of him. I think Draco may actually use it to make himself feel more superior. Lucious is very tough on Draco, which I'm sure we've all discovered. Being brought up on strict rules as a pureblood which probably didn't include nice warm and fuzzy encouragement from his father, has left Draco with a sense of doubt. In school, Draco's marks were second to Hermione's, but in Potions, Severus gave Draco all the favourtism and attention that he'd been lacking at home from his father. I think he used - bordering on abused - this attention to maybe 'fuel' his surperiority complex.



I agree with you here, that he was scared first at such an immense task appointed to him with a very high failure rate, and later when the pressure starts to get worse and Draco becomes frustrated, and resorts to anger.

woah its amazing what you can come up with for the relationship between snape and draco its like 3 posts for like a page or nearly a page of writing they are huge and the are really good and i happen to agree with all of you that draco is perhaps just using snape to gain power because thats what he likes... power no matter what stands in the way he finds a way around it to gain power...(i think )but im pretty sure but snape on the other hand really feels scared for dracos saftey or he is a really good actor but that might be the case and theres in fact no realationship at all?... well i think the only people who could answer that would be JKR severus snape himself and draco not the actors but the real people... i think but im pretty certain so yeah

to potions mistress did i say welcome to doddd before? if not welcome from all of us at doddd

MALFERRET

I Agree With The Whole Power Thingy..

I Would Just Like To Ask...

Why Was I Not Informed That EMMA WATSON Was Dating TOM FELTON During The Filming Of GoF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Yes. I Have Been Doing Research Trying To Prove It Wrong... No Good.

I Don't Like Emma No Morez. Im Going To Take Her Poster Off My Wall Now!

Make Room For Miss Evanna Lynch

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jayden

Oooh I never knew they were actually dating

As for the relationship between Draco and Snape I think its that Snape doesn't want Draco to be all evil and stuff, because Snape has realised (when LV killed Lily) that its no good and stuff and he doesn't want Draco falling into that.

As for Draco I didn't think he really wanted Snape hanging around and trying to help him, I think he wanted to prove himself but at the end realised he couldn't do it - like he couldn't kill DD....

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EMMA WATSON AND TOM WERE ACTUALLY DATING????

Where did you read that, if you don't mind me asking? I've only ever heard Tom say that he found her beautiful and he has even answered on his Official Website that she and him were never dating.

Either way though, I'm so jealous of Emma haha, I'm not afraid to admit it. We're the same age and she's just, so successful and pretty and TOM FANCIED HER. It drives me crazy thinking about that. Tom is such a nice guy though, I remember his one girlfriend, and everyone called her fat but he doesn't care at all what other people think, some other celebs should take example of that.

My oh my I've been absent for a few days and look at all of this discussion going on up in here about Draco and Snape...And Emma Watson dating Tom Felton???? Where is this tidbit of news coming from? Interesting to say the least.......


What kind of relationship actually is between Draco and the head of his house, that is Severus?


I feel that Draco looks up to Snape as somewhat of a role model of sorts, because I feel that Draco does not see Lucius as much of a role model for him any more like he did when he was younger. Draco knows that Lucius has shady intentions not only for himself but for Draco as well. So Draco has always looked to Snape as being a role model and it helps also that Snape lets everyone know that Malfoy is his number one student overall, (even if he is not that good in Potions)

News for everyone I just got my official "Death eater" tattoo the other day, it looks sweet!!!

Marcey

TOM FELTON IS DATING EMMA WATSON
woah jayden where did you hear that piece of news ?? i dont know anything anymore well i do now but what??

that is like... odd but kinda not odd (i dont know what i mean so you dont have do )i am going a bit off track but i dont really know much more about the draco snape realtionship but still agree with dracos_lady and evryone else about what they are saying

MALFERRET

I don't remember any passages in the books that would lead me to think that Draco cares less for his father's opinion later on than he did when he was little. If anyone has seen them please let me know where to reference them. I would like to hope that Draco had wised up in that regard, but I just don't think it ever happened. He certainly doesn't seem to treat Severus with the respect he would have, had he turned to him as a father-figure after Lucius went to prison. I agree with Jaclyn--Draco liked Snape's favoritism, but doesn't feel any particularly strong regard for his Potions teacher and Head of House.

We don't get to see into Draco's feelings at all in HPDH, all we see is how the Malfoy family has fallen in LV's favor by then, and the terrible uses to which LV puts Draco, such as torturing Ollivander. Whether this has any effect on Draco's feelings for his father, we never get to find out.

You got a Death Eater tattoo, Marcey? Okay... I guess I wouldn't do it, but more power to you!

I've never heard any news about Tom dating Emma, though there was a thread in the HP news forums which was shut down since then, in which that rumor was discounted. I read he was dating Melissa up until the filming of GoF, but no news of him dating Emma after that.

I liked Melissa's looks--I liked that she was very pretty, but not stick-thin. The girl definitely looked like a girl! Apparently Tom likes his girls curvy! She certainly wasn't fat, either. I don't know why they broke up, but haven't heard any rumors whatsover about who Tom is dating now--not that I go looking, really. I'm not very fond of Emma--in her interviews she always seems to sound quite conceited and full of herself, which is sad because she's not really that great of an actress. I have a strong feeling we won't see much of her after the HP films are over--but I could be proven wrong. Other than being very pretty, I don't understand why Tom would find her interesting. He's famous and could have just about any girl he wanted--surely he could find one less self-obsessed? My apologies to anyone here who is an Emma fan, but it's just the way I feel. If you need examples I can provide them.

EDIT--According to the VTM homepage, this girl will be playing Pansy Parkinson in HBP!

Ah, Marcey!!! I can't believe you finally got it! DO YOU HAVE PICTURES?! lol Sorry, I LOVE tattoos, I have one myself and a while ago I was thinking about getting the Dark Mark. My mom would probably kill me though.

I was rather disappointed in DH when JK never revealed any of Draco's thoughts or feelings from his perspective during the war. Judging by the part in the book after the fire in the Room of Requirement, as Draco "slumped against the wall" (or something along those lines) it seemed he was basically tired, and feeling defeated. At the end of the book when he and his family are together, I think after everything they went through, his mother and father was still his priority. However, it has been a while since I read DH so that's just what I remember.

Oh yeah, that was her name - Melissa. She was cute, I liked her, and especially because like Darcy said, she looked like a girl with her natural curves. Lol, I'm not a fan of Emma either, but I still wouldn't mind being as pretty and rich as her - anyway, I agree she does come off a bit over confident and I don't see what Tom found interesting about her. But this isn't the Emma bashing thread so I'm not going into detail about that.

I love who they picked as Pansy! She's exactly how I pictured her. Did anyone else notice the other actress who portrayed Pansy in the previous films? She was shown a bit in PoA. She looked nothing like how Pansy should have. This new girl is great, I can't wait to see her in the movie along side Tom - although if she is all over Draco like in the books, my feelings may turn hostile towards her.

First and foremost, MALFERRET, you've most certainly welcomed me before, but thank you of course for this welcome, too. Like I’ve said, you’re such a nice bunch of people here in DODDD.

If I may still dwell a bit on Severus’s relationship to Draco and vice versa, I must agree with Jaclyn. My perception is, too, biased by reading some fanfics. I’m afraid I’m not able to judge the canon relationship properly any more. I particularly like what Marcey says about their mutual relationship, but again, I think this is the classic example of reading the books through the prism of fanfic. I would love their relationship to be the way you depict, but I believe it exists in this way only in fics. So I think I'm not able to provide any textual evidence for it, but like Darcy says, if you have any, please share it with us. I would definitely love to read Draco the way Marcey puts him.

It’s very interesting that both of you, Darcy and Jaclyn, touch upon the question of Draco’s feelings, either when he is about to kill Dumbledore or then again during the final battle. I definitely agree that it’s a pity we don’t see more of his thoughts from Mrs. Rowling’s pen. But then on the other hand, we don’t see basically any thoughts or inner emotions of he characters other than Harry. Save for the one chapter dedicated to Severus’s memory, we wouldn’t know much of what he thinks either.

And thus I was lead to another question, if you don’t mind sharing a bit of your thoughts again. I love reading through the answers as they always extend my perception of the give character extensively.

What do you think was coming through Draco’s head while at the top of Astronomy Tower facing Dumbledore?

I think there was a whirlwind of ideas rushing through his head, the ideas alternating and succeeding one another at rapid speed. I’m wondering what he might have thought when he saw Dumbledore all weak and practically helpless, then when Severus came into scene, and then again when the deed was done by Severus’s hand. I think these are the three main phases through which Draco's mind traveled within the several minutes he was on the Tower. I’m eager to know what you, guys, think. I will, of course, add my little bit later, too.

Sorry, I think I cannot participate in the shipping debate concerning the actors, as I’m totally ignorant in this respect.

But the actress chosen for Pansy is indeed very likeable. Though, I think the Pansy in my imagination is more along the lines Draco or Tom look like. That is, rather skinny in her face, with slightly prominent cheekbones, and maybe with a shade darker hair, but I know there’s no problem to change this in the movie. As for the others actresses who played Pansy, again, I have to admit my ignorance and say that I’ve never noticed any. Not even the one in PoA Jaclyn mentions.

~Jana

PS: I’m convinced the tattoo looks great, Marcey! If it’s the permanent kind of thing, I hope it didn’t hurt much having it made.

What do you think was coming through Draco’s head while at the top of Astronomy Tower facing Dumbledore?

Well, once upon a time I did write down how I thought Draco felt at that moment--it was meant to be a one-shot and turned into a three-part series! lol And no, I'm not trying to plug my fanfic, it's just that if I wrote what I thought Draco had been feeling, it would pretty much be the same thing, so here's that little chapter:

Draco's Thoughts

Ha--didn't mean to be Emma-bashing, I just have a hard time liking her, and not because of Tom. I think she needs a good publicist is all. Someone to advise her how to respond in interviews.

I've thought about a tattoo, but honestly, my interests change all the time and I'm afraid one would feel dated after just a couple of years, so I've never gotten one. I had one friend get a tattoo of a trout on her leg, because she was a Wildlife & Fisheries Science major--at first. Then she became an English major! Then she hated that unfeminine trout!

WHOAAAAAAAA?! Okay, wait a minute... they were dating??? EEEK! I'm already jealous of her for being the most beautiful person on the planet, and now THIS?! I think I'm gonna go cry...

Wow, I love the effect of all the back to back reactions... Anyway! xdarkserpentx, haha yeah my mom would FREAK! Anyway I don't think I'm anywhere near getting myself tatoos. But Marcey- a Death Eater tatoo? Wow, I'm sure it looks awesome! That's like the best thing though, to prove the fandom... something permanent.

I have to agree with you though, Jana. It would be much nicer if we saw more of Draco's thoughts. But what exactly would help us? Well, I have a few solutions here:
- JKR could give us info on her website or through an interview or book;
- Draco could do less spooky and more squeaky
- Or he just goes completely public, hops onto a table and yells out how he feels! *sigh* Nan, I think we'll just have to keep guessing...
But as for the question!

What do you think was coming through Draco’s head while at the top of Astronomy Tower facing Dumbledore?

Obviously he was quite scared of doing it, we knew that all along, but I'm also 100% sure his brain was really whirring like mad at the time. He seems to be the type to have his own reasons to have a variety of ideas. Of course he was scared of killing someone, especially Dumbledore, and I'm sure he didn't realize Dumbledore wasn't going to even resist the killing, so there was still this fear in him of failing and getting killed, or maybe even worstly punished by Voldemort. But there's also the complete opposite: We know that he was really determined, considering everything he's done, so we see that there was this real sort of excitement, or maybe it was just the anxiety of getting it overwith. But definitely, I see this hope of getting it done as soon as possible, for the rewards and the relief and perhaps the chance of getting taken more highly by Voldemort and his family; then there's also the fact of being afraid and unable, nervous to kill Dumbledore. So, seeing there are two complete opposites, what did he want most; getting it overwith or being nice? I have this strong belief that Dumbledore's words hit him hard. It indeed does say that his wand drops a little, doesn't it!

I don't know if that made any sense... I don't tend to really read my long posts twice. Lazy lazy me!

Heh marcey thats lush! I really want a tattoo but like Witherwings said - My mum would actually kill me!
I was actually thinking of getting the darkmark on my wrist, but decided against in favour of one of my own designs Now all I have to do is get it >< lol

What do you think was coming through Draco’s head while at the top of Astronomy Tower facing Dumbledore?

I personally think there wasn't really any single thing going through his mind, but a load of jumbled up thoughts. Like I think he was confused as to why DD was treating him like he was, I think he was nervous and was thinking what would happen after he killed DD and I think he was thinking was LV going to kill him anyway even if he did kill DD...

Yeah so a lot of random stuff all spinning around his head at the same time.

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Okay, I'm guilty of being one of those people who always looks in this thread but never posts. So, I'm going to rectify that and post today.

What do you think was coming through Draco’s head while at the top of Astronomy Tower facing Dumbledore?

Personally, I think two major thought were running through his head. First, his fear in actually killing DD. I don't think he really wanted to do it. Sure, he was excited about actually going further than anyone else had ever gone-he managed to get DE's in the school. But once he was faced with his final task, killing DD, he didn't have the excitement or the stomach for it anymore. He realized he wasn't a murderer.

The other thought was his family. Draco even mentioned that if he didn't do it, LV was going to kill/hurt his family. He was following LV's orders to protect his parents. Sure, at first he was cocky about being given this assignment and having the dark mark. But as time went on, you could see the fear he had of failure, which we found out at the tower was because of the fear of harm coming to his parents should he fail.

So, I think his conscious was having a major crisis between these two points. Kill DD or his family, and probably even himself, will suffer the consequences.

However, when DD offered protection to Draco and his family for letting him live, I think his brain went into hyperdrive about how he could get himself and DD out of there and what DD could do to save his family before LV could retaliate. But unfortunately, the DE's interrupted them.

What do you think was coming through Draco’s head while at the top of Astronomy Tower facing Dumbledore?

That's a really good question, but honestly, I think its too bad that we have to answer rather than JK who I am having antagonistic feelings towards for not providing us with more of an in depth explanation of what exactly Draco was going through in the tower. Mind you, I love JK and I'm sorry if it seems like I'm always bashing her but its only in anything concerning Draco. Well, I was thrilled to find Draco's role in HBP at the end on the tower and so, I expected a chance to finally see what was going through Draco's head - only I wasn't 'disappointed' but I felt a little let down that we didn't see if Draco really was considering accepting Dumbledore's protection or more importantly why?. Was it for selfish reasons? Or was he thinking of his family? Or was it fear of punishment? Our speculations are based on the only clue we had: "his wand lowered a fraction." (or something like that). What JK had in mind for him at that moment will always remain a mystery but that just leaves more for us to discuss.

I have to say that I am impressed with everyone's responses (great first chapter Darcy)! It's neat how we are able to get inside Draco's mind like that and analyse his actions. It looks like we all agree that a LOT was going through his head and not necassarily in any organized manner. I think that what he expected was a fight for his life against Dumbledore, or more of a resitence (sp?) from DD. I think that would've helped Draco accomplish his task better but he was soley disappointed because instead, DD merely spoke with him as if he wasn't held at wand point. This threw Draco off, and I'm sure he was also relying on his adrenaline to get through the task. And so he was caught off guard - way off guard. In consiquence a few of DD's words had gotten to Draco making him realize what he was about to do. So that goes back to what I was saying in the previous paragraph, would he have accepted the protection? But after the Death Eaters barged in, he seemd to freeze and I'm not sure what was going through his head then, seeing as I certainly have never been in that situation I don't know what I'd be thinking either!

Ack, I've just reread my post and it seems very unorganized hopefully you guys can sift through it, I don't have much computer time left so sorry I don't have time to edit!

Oh and welcome Insomnia! I'm glad you finally posted!

WOAH!! there's alot of posts i havent read so far and i really want to say things about them but i cant remember anymore

Any way WELCOME Insomnia im glad that just like potions mistressyou have finally decided to post after quite along time! Ahh that reminds me Potions Mistress i'm sorry for welcomeing you twice but im not sorry you joined ! i think we were starting to run out of ideas of what to post.(well i know i certainly was because i think i had a question and then i came on and read the posts and forgot about what i was going to say.
and now we have another member YAY!(sorry im going a bit off topic )to get back on topic....

What do you think was coming through Draco’s head while at the top of Astronomy Tower facing Dumbledore?
i think that like PottyHead Insomnia and xdarkserpentx i think he was feeling everything and yet he was feeling numb and not feeling anything at all if thats possible?? is it? oh well

and i think that we really need to get inside his head more like i agree with you Witherwings that we need jkr to tell us like show us signs of what Draco is feeling and like.... ummmm..... rats ive forgotten now
oh well

MALFERRET

Yep, big welcome to Insomnia! Glad you decided to post! Hope I haven't missed any other new members.

Ah, I totally agree with one of the points I just read! That Draco's head was probably only a bunch of jumbled up thoughts... Yes. It makes sense, everything you said, PottyHead (heeey it rhymes! ) and I think too that he would be wondering what would happen, and blablabla. But I stick to my ideas as well. Like I said before- Alas, we may never know!

I know it's a quick post but I have to do other things so I'll be back with more as soon as I can.

Yo, Laura! (Insomnia) Hi!

One thing that keeps coming into my mind as I read everyone's take on what thoughts would be going through Draco's head is that there would be a lot of racing thoughts, but, he would feel numb. I am wondering--perhaps it might be because he was in shock?

I'm just thinking that might be the case, because when I have something really important I have to do, sometimes I rehearse what I might say, or how I might do it...and in Draco's case, I'll bet he thought facing Dumbledore would be entirely different from how it was. I'm wondering if he rehearsed having to fight against Dumbledore--practising his curses, etc., expecting Dumbledore to be on top of his game and defensive. I think if I had been Draco, the fact that Dumbledore just lay there, weak, sick, calm, and talkative, would send me into mental shock! I wouldn't know what to do!

Thanks for the welcome, everyone. Darcy, "Hey" back at ya!

Excellent point, by the way, Darcy. I totally agree that Draco probably rehearsed his confrontation with DD over and over again. Not only physically, practicing his stance and curses, but mentally as well: what he would say to DD, how he envisioned his reaction to be, what he thought DD's reaction might be. I'm sure he was psyching himself up for it. But, like you said, when Draco found DD weak and helpless, so easily defeated, he probably never expected that at all. That may have thrown his whole rehearsed plan to bits and left him at a loss. I could almost hear him say, "Now what?"

...ei i'm kinda new to this club.. anyways..

What do you think was coming through Draco’s head while at the top of Astronomy Tower facing Dumbledore?

...well, a lot of things..

1) he's afraid he might not manage it.. after all, DD is a great wizard, and maybe he thought someone as great as DD cant be killed by by a mere boy like him.. i mean he's underage by that time, right?..

2) he's thinking of his parents. he's never really valued them before, like, taking for granted all his privileges.. but when he realized that all of it could be gone in a split-second, he was afraid.. he loved his parents after all..

3) he's considering DD's offer of being on the other side. perhaps he thought, it wouldn't be too bad after all. i think he's also become tired of all the evil stuff happening around him, and realized that it wasn't what he really wanted.. i'm sure he didn't really change his views on mudbloods and stuff, but i think he's tired of the brutality..

4) he cant walk the walk, like jkr said. he doesn't have it in him. draco's not a murderer.. although he's a bit of a coward well, he's just human.. and going through the mission on attempting to murder DD shows that he is brave enough to do anything just to protect his family.. that's it for now..

WOAH WHY HAVE I NEVER HEARD OF YOU BEFORE lianne_nakago COS YOUR LIKE SOO GOOD AT WHAT IS GOING THROUGH DRACOS HEAD AND WELCOME !!

( and if you havent noticed im random )

and like everyones thoughts are all soo god and why is no one psting i was all like why is there not 15 million pages i have to read

why have you all gone quiet



and yeahh i just came in to say HI!! TO LIANNE_NAKAGO and nice name and read all the posts but there was like two to read ?? why is that????

and i have no other ideas to add to this conversation because well i think we covered it all so we need a new i dea anyone got one?? well think about it

MALFERRET

Welcome Insomnia and Lianne_nakago!!

lianne_nakago - I totally agree with what you say about Draco - I applaud your amazing insight

I agree with MALFERRET (btw I only just got your name hehe love it!) we've kinda covered the astronomy tower thing... *thinks* new topic, new topic.

Hang on I'll think.... I can't think of anything that hasn't been done before really.

But I was just reading on the VTM homepage that they've cut Fleur and most probably Bill out of the film so I think they may cut out some of Draco's smaller bits in the film like following him and Sectumsempra like we were all saying before... I really hope they don't

Kelly
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What do you think was coming through Draco’s head while at the top of Astronomy Tower facing Dumbledore?

I think that alot of thoughts were going through Draco's head that night on the Astronomy Tower.

1. He was re-considering DD's offer about coming over to the good side and backing out of his promise to Voldy.

2. He was probaly scared of what would happen to not only him but his family as well if he did not comply with Voldy's wishes to off Dumbledore.

3. I seriously think he was re-considering his plan and that is why he stalled for so long while he talked to Dumbledore until Snape arrived and did the deed for Draco.

Here is a new discussion to think upon:

What do you think Draco was thinking when Snape killed DD instead of him doing the deed? And what was Draco thinking as he and Snape took off on the run?

What does everyone think on this one? Thoughts anyone?

Marcey

What do you think Draco was thinking when Snape killed DD instead of him doing the deed? And what was Draco thinking as he and Snape took off on the run?

I think that Draco was probably relieved because he didn't have to kill DD, he knew he wouldn't be able to do it and to actually be saved from having to do it I think he would have been relieved and I guess quite thankful towards Snape.

However, I think he was scared as well because he knew that if he didn't do it LV would kill him, and while Snape still killed DD he didn't do it so I think he would be scared that LV was still going to kill him or something.

And I also think that because he didn't do it he would have been even more scared for his family and what LV would do to them.

Kelly
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What do you think Draco was thinking when Snape killed DD instead of him doing the deed? And what was Draco thinking as he and Snape took off on the run?

I really don't think Malfoy really wanted DD dead to begin with, so I think he was in complete shock that DD was actually dead. I don't think he was shocked that Severus himself killed DD because Malfoy truly believed that he was on LV's side. Just shocked that DD was dead because of what he had done. He may have been thinking that he wished he could take it back, reverse his role of bringing the DE's into the school. But at the same time, I'm sure he was relieved that it was DD dead and not him or his family.

As they were running off, I'm sure he was still trying to process the idea that DD was actually dead.

Whoa I haven't been here in so long! Anyway...

Insomnia that's a really good point! I don't think Draco actually truly believed that he would be able to kill DD, and was therefore surprised when Snape actually killed him. I don't know whether he expected Snape to be able to kill him, or even if he knew Snape was very close to DD at all. I think it might have been possible for him to realize how close Snape was to DD even if he 'was' on Voldemort's side. My thoughts would be that Draco was somewhat overconfident he could complete his mission, fuelled by the fear of Voldemort's punishement, and he only eralized he couldn't do it (if he really couldn't) when the time came to kill DD.

wooh. i dont think i have posted here in a while...

They're Cutting Fleur??? But That Just Ruins The Beginning Of The Story! iz not happy!

Witherwings & Insomnia, i agree with what you are saying. I Dont Think He Really Wanted DD Dead, Because I Think While Old Voldie Was Thretening Draco, He Felt Safter With DD Still There Looking Out For Him. Well, All The Students.

I Gotta Go To School Now

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jayden

I believe it’s high time I added some comments to my own question, as I posed it exactly a fortnight ago. I apologize for the absence, but Muggle life can be sometimes rather tiring, and when combined with the finishing exam period it’s even more so.

As for your answer to the question, Witherwings, it makes perfect sense to me. Actually, it seems that you write your answer in the very same fashion the ideas were running through Draco’s head - very quickly, one succeeding another. And I most agree with you on the points you make.

Hi, Laura! It’s nice seeing you around. Well, I decided to first-post here a short while ago, too. And welcome to lianne_nakago!

xdarkserpentx, your answer was much organized, don’t worry.

I don’t think I have much to add to what the rest of you have said on the issue of Draco’s thoughts, but what caught my attention is the following in xdarkserpentx's post,

That’s an interesting point. And I think Draco would have done so. I know that, like it has been pointed out, the only evidence we have is “His month was open, his wand hand still trembling. Harry thought he saw it drop by a fraction.” Yet, I think the drop-by-a-fraction bit is enough of evidence about Draco’s intentions of accepting Dumbledore's offer. I’m convinced that it if Draco was a cold-blooded murderer, whom he isn't, he would have killed Dumbledore the instant he reached the top of the Astronomy Tower. But the long time he spent talking to Dumbledore only proves that he got cold feet in the end and would greatly accept and appreciate the offered help. I’m not saying Draco is a coward, well maybe a little, I’m saying that there was enough good in him to restrain him from the murderous act and should he have more time to make the decision, he and his family would have certainly ended up under the protective wings of the Order.

Great question, Marcey!

What do you think Draco was thinking when Snape killed DD instead of him doing the deed? And what was Draco thinking as he and Snape took off on the run?

Like it’s been already said, Draco must have been both relieved and scared to death. The relief was the the primary emotion. The deed was done and it wasn’t done by his hand. But this was very closely followed by fright that it wasn’t him who killed Dumbledore and thus probably he would have to face retributions from the Dark Lord himself. And though I think he was afraid for himself, he might have been even more so for the safety of his mother.

And then, I believe when they were running with Severus to the Hogwarts gates, I believe another idea dawned on Draco. The scariest yet. He might have believed before that Severus was on the good side and thus Draco might have cherished, maybe only subconsciously, the idea that if everything failed Severus would save him. If Draco thought, at least for the tiniest of whiles, that Severus was on Dumbledore’s side he might have laid his hopes in Severus that this one would offer help if need be. But when Draco saw that the wand casting the killing curse was Severus’s, he realized that Severus was bad after all and all Draco’s hopes for any salvation must have failed at that moment. And this I believe must have scared him the most. The idea that no help would come from Severus as this one was "indeed" on the Dark Lord’s side.

Laura,

And I would only add that it takes pretty long for any idea like that to sink in, so I think Draco was actually processing it for a rather long time. I’m actually wondering when he fully realized what he’d done. That it was him who let the Death Eaters to the school and thus he was partly responsible for Dumbledore’s death. And whether he felt any remorse upon realizing this.

Witherwings,

Indeed, I believe that Draco had his hunch. Because when we get to “Prince’s Tale” and Severus and Dumbledore are discussing possible ways of getting to Draco, Severus admits to the fact that Draco doesn’t want to let Severus help him. Draco supposedly argues by the fact that it was because of Severus that his father was in Azkaban. But I believe Draco might have suspected that the relationship between Severus and Dumbledore might have been closer than they revealed on the outside. And thus he was primarily afraid that Severus would try, on Dumbledore’s order, to prevent Draco from accomplishing the deed, thus throwing him and his family into the deadly danger.

Keep posting your answers, guys! I so much enjoy reading them.

~Jana

Wow, just...wow. The thoughts being shared here lately are mind-blowing!

The fact that we see so excruciatingly little of how Draco really feels can leave a lot of things open for speculation. I was so intrigued by this statement:



What if that had happened? How would Draco have felt then, in HPDH, when he watched his Potions Master do nothing as another teacher was murdered? Hopeless, to say the least.

Poor Draco, how he suffered.

And this is my new discussion proposal, if I may be so bold as to offer one after the last brilliant sugestions.

Voldemort is defeated. The Malfoys have survived. What is your fantasy future for Draco? Take into account that he marries and has a son, but--what else do you imagine he went through, especially in those first days--what do you hope happened for him?

Hi, everyone, again!

I’m glad you like our thoughts, Darcy. I perfectly agree that the insight people have offered into Draco’s mind is amazing.


I believe hopeless is only one word of many characterizing Draco's condition at that moment. First of all, he must have been utterly scared. And his psychical state was definitely affecting his physical form, as we can read that after the murder of Professor Burbage “Draco fell out of his [chair] on to the floor.”

I also understand that Draco was simply resigned. He had given up on Severus some time ago then, and this incident was yet another confirmation that there was little hope left. I’m not saying that Draco was contemplating turning to the good side at that time. But I still believe in the undercurrent positive traits of his personality which we subconsciously working all the time on him. And thus the hopelessness and resignation. Though he might have not admitted these feelings even to himself.

Now, I know this is slightly off-topic, but I reckon Severus must have felt no better when Charity Burbage was pleading for help: “Severus … please .. please.” Considering the fact that he had to keep his countenance, “Snape looked back at her, quite impassive […],” all his acts when in the Dark Lord’s presence were a feat.

Anyway, back to your discussion point, Darcy. Which is excellent, by the way!

Voldemort is defeated. The Malfoys have survived. What is your fantasy future for Draco? Take into account that he marries and has a son, but--what else do you imagine he went through, especially in those first days--what do you hope happened for him?

As for my hopes, I, of course, do hope only for the best for Draco, but I think I have to be realistic in this respect and also I want to remain somehow true to the canon. I don’t think I will go as far as the time of him marrying and having a son. I will rather stay within the realm of his feelings and ideas following the battle. Which must have been a rather turbulent time for many witches and wizards, Draco being no exception.

I think the Malfoys must have been scared about any retributions, because of Lucius’ Death Eater’s career. Thus, Draco had yet another reason to be distressed that his family would be torn apart with Lucius ending up in Azkaban. But I think Draco’s initial reaction must have been that of utter relief. The fights were over, the Dark Lord was dead and primarily, his family was safe.

Also, I imagine him being confused. One, when he learnt that it was his mother who actually saved Harry, and two, when he realized that it was Harry himself who saved him in the Room of Requirements. In these two rescuing acts, we see the categories of the good (Harry) and the evil (the Malfoys) approximating one another and blurring. And I believe this blurring may have been at the roots of Draco’s confusion I talk about. The world stopped being black and white, and with the Dark Lord’s death a new order was being established. It was the order in which Draco had to abandon the position of a smirking and always-so-evil Slytherin, in which he was quite satisfied and safe, and had to look for his own position in the society.

I know this doesn’t say much about Draco’s actions after the battle, but like I say elsewhere, I’m horrible when it comes to devising stories and events.

Can’t wait to read your answers, guys!

~Jana

Hey, Jana! Nice "seeing" you, too. (Thanks for the job position, by the way. I'm enjoying it immensely! )

I only have a sec because my household is a very sickly one at the moment. Not fun at all... But I wanted to post real quick while I had a chance.

Voldemort is defeated. The Malfoy's have survived. What is your fantasy future for Draco? Take into account that he marries and has a son, but--what else do you imagine he went through, especially in those first days--what do you hope happened for him?

I'm with Jana on this. I have to be realistic and stick with canon as much as possible. We know how things turned out 19 years down the road. He has a good life with a wife and child. But I think those first few months, and maybe years, were extremely hard for him.

I'm sure with all the speculations, the rumors, and the actual parts that the Malfoy's played in LV's reign of terror made life very difficult for them, including Draco. Not only did Draco play his own role, he has to live with the scorn and hatred from others as a result of his parents actions. I'm sure there were trials held for the entire Malfoy family. It wouldn't surprise me if his parents lost their wands completely. Since Draco was still young and not entirely to blame since it was his parents' involvement with LV that put him in that situation in the first place, I'm sure he got off with a probation type sentence.

As for his role in the death of DD, he may have gotten off because his family's life was at stake. No one came blame a child for wanting to protect their family. Besides, he didn't actually cast the killing curse.

However, I'm sure the wizarding world didn't let him off so easily. He was probably tormented, threatened, and whatever else just like he used to treat his fellow classmates. In essence, I think he got a taste of his own medicine. He got to see how it felt to be on the receiving end of the bullying. I'm sure that gave him a whole new outlook on life.

I think it was at that point that he may have turned his life around for the good. After a few years of showing the world he was no longer that child he once was, and a shadow of his father, people finally accepted him and the scorn and hatred stopped. Then he was able to settle down, get married, and start a family.

No problem with the job, Laura. You’re always welcome. I’m glad that you are enjoying it. Thanks for letting me know.

I think your views on Draco’s life after the battle are very realistic and I can imagine the things you outline happening to him so well. Even the probation type of sentence. I’m just wondering what such probation might be for him. Any suggestions on that?

Also, I’ve been wondering whether in this transient period of his life, Draco got closer to his family or whether he rather drifted apart from them. The argument for the former would be that they were all, Draco, Narcissa and Lucius, in the same boat - the wizarding world perceived them as the Dark Lord’s assistants and they needed to protect themselves against any possible hostility. Only in staying together did they stand a chance. His disassociation from his parents, on the other hand, may be supported by the fact that Draco wanted to make a thick line between his past and his future and he knew this wouldn’t be possible unless the public stopped connecting him with his parents.

Which way do you imagine Draco act? This dicussion point, of course, still falls under the major scheme of Darcy’s awsome scenario-like question.

~Jana

Hey guys!! Aghh I hate my Muggle life sometimes it's been sooo busy! So this post is going to be a little rushed.

First off, Jana, I agree what you said about if Draco would've accepted the protection or not, the evidence that you have provided (Draco dropping his wand a fraction) is a big enough indication that Draco would have accepted the protection.

Ah, I'm a few questions behind! I'll answer the older one first:

What do you think Draco was thinking when Snape killed DD instead of him doing the deed? And what was Draco thinking as he and Snape took off on the run?

I've read everyone's reponses and I agree with most of them. A few things said were exactly my thoughts:



Exactly what I was thinking, Jana! I believe this was a prominent thought running through his head as he and Snape took off, what will the Dark Lord do when he found out that Draco failed his mission? In combination of what you said here:



Draco not only failed the Dark Lord, and feared punishment but the only person who could help him was Severus until he saw his Potion's master murder DD before his eyes - proving his alliance with the Dark Side. If Voldemort no longer deemed Draco worthy as a Death Eater, Draco would've had no choice but to turn to Severus for help, however, that was no longer an option either because of Severus' revealed loyalties to the Dark Lord. I think this sparked a fear of being abandoned in Draco's mind.

On to the next question!

Voldemort is defeated. The Malfoy's have survived. What is your fantasy future for Draco? Take into account that he marries and has a son, but--what else do you imagine he went through, especially in those first days--what do you hope happened for him?

Insomnia, I really like your idea of Draco being on the "receiving end of the bullying." It is true, I think Draco will finally gain some prespective and a new outlook on life. Like Jana said, perhaps he will no longer view the world as black and white - but, old prejudice's die hard.

However, right after the war, I could see the Malfoy family frantically hiding for their lives. Confusion and paranoia would more than likely be at the forefront of Draco's mind. His trust in anyone would be broken beyond repair and the impact of Dark Lord's death would take a while to process.

As for what you were saying, Jana, in your latest post:



I can't imagine the Malfoys, after all they've been through, seperating too easily. I think Draco will remain loyal to them for they have finally learned the true meaning of family. I don't see Draco as the type to part ways with his family, even with his father's former connection to the Dark Lord. Family means too much to them, that comes along with the fact that they are pureblooded and have a strong belief in the family inheritance tradition.

Rushed? lol But I agree Jaclyn, muggle life sometimes is just so... nope. I've got some homework to do but I thought I'd drop by quickly since I haven't posted in a while.

I think too that it's entirely possible for Draco to see things completely differently, after going through so much and missing death by an inch
(or by a Harry ) so many times. He probably now realizes a little better how important it is to hang on to what you've got, and hopefully he's decided to be a little nicer! But not too nice, since his bad boy attitude, hotness and interesting history are what draws us to him, and besides we all know that Draco Malfoy is always going to have some of that bully or jerk like personnality no matter what, unless he dies and comes back to life or someone completely wipes his brain. I just hope Asteria is nice and she's good influence on him! *sigh* For some reason I see her as the shy little sister of a big bully Pansy-friend.

PS: Like my new avatar?

Love the new avatar!


I could see this playing out under either scenario. I think it all depends on his parents, how much their attitudes and perspectives change.

If they drop their old ways and accept people for who they are, not their blood line (not to mention the idea of pureblood domination), I think Draco would be willing to hold fast to his family. Draco was the one who had the first-hand life changing experience with Harry, seeing as how he saved his life in the face of danger. He would be the most easily converted and humbled.

Narcissa got a taste of it because she took a chance and spared Harry's life to gain info on her son. I think she has a good chance at changing her ways.

Lucius is the only one I'd be worried about. I can't see him dropping his way of life over this, at least not very easily. Maybe, if Draco was willing to walk away from his father to begin a new life free from his shadow and reputation, I think Lucius might come around.

I can easily see Draco holding on to his mother during this rough time. Afterall, she wasn't really a DE. She just supported her husband like most wives would. She proved her loyalty to her son by going to Severus to have him watch out for Draco even though it could have cost her her life (not to mention lieing to LV in the forest). She realizes that family is more important. So, I'm sure their relationship would have been very tight.

Like I mentioned in my previous post, Draco would probably do anything to get out from underneath his father's shadow and reputation. If it meant walking away, I'm sure he would. But I can also see them reuniting once Lucius mends his own ways and views.

Sheesh. I think I've just been rambling on. Darn foggy head. I hope that made some semblance of sense. Yes, I think Draco understands the importance of family, but I also think he realizes the importance of having your own mind and beliefs and not letting someone else influence them. He'd hold on to his family as long as they don't try to drag him back down that dark path again.