I asked permission and was granted the right to open a new club for Draco Malfoy fans like us!

I know Marcey and McKenzie might like it, and I've seen a lot of other people about here at VTM who might enjoy it, too.

We can talk about the character, the actor, we can do some squeeing (in a dignified Draco drawl, of course, squeeing excitedly is just not Draconian enough)--introduce new news and gossip, provide links to our fave Draconian fanfic (no 'adult' rated links, thanks!) and just generally obsess over 'our' Draco. Oh yeah...and Tom Felton, who plays him in the films.

Although not properly a Draco obsessed, I like him very much...so I'm proud to join the Club!!! The boy has got something special....his role in the HBP has been very important and gave interesting hints on his true personality (at last...).

Champagne and caviar for this new opening!!!

Oooh, I love champagne! I've never had caviar though!

Louise asked me what my attraction to Draco/Tom was, so I answered her, and thought I may as well put it here, too.

I saw the films before I read the books and was really struck with Tom. He has a very expressive face and was as cute as a bug's ear. Then I read the books and the thing about Draco is that, unlike Harry, he never really gets any praise. It's rare. He's just expected to always know the right thing to do and so he's like this little coiled spring, always tense, always wary and defensive--and I was always like that as a kid! He seems to live his life in constant dread of being humiliated, so he's always on the offensive--he always seems to strike for no reason, but the reason is his dread of being the one caught unawares.

It struck at my heart, you might say.

Hmmmm....this is beginning slow...maybe I was wrong about the fans? Hopefully they'll find us soon!

oh, i always love a good "new opening"-party!

i´m non of those obsessive fans, but i was pretty impressed by draco in HBP...
and i´d like to discuss with you about him.
i think inside of him there´s something good and it´s all his parents fault (aren´t they always the ones to blame ?!) that he became a death eather...heavy stuff for a opening party, sorry...

anyway is there still champagne left?

love
#tigerlily#

Bring out the party poppers, streamers and balloons! A shiny new topic to squee over!

Darcy you naughty girl...I don't have a naughty mind!! lol!!

I think Draco is a poor misunderstood confused lad, who needs his mum and should stand up to his overbearing father.

Tom...I think he should come visit me so I can feed him up and point him to some good fishing spots along the river severn!

I don't think I'm properly obsessed either, but I definitely wouldn't ahve a problem talking about Draco!!

I do have to say my attraction to the character was much like yours, Darcy. Poor kid. I always did feel a bit sorry for him, especially after HBP. He was crying... I think he just needed a hug. Unfortunately, I don't think Myrtle could have done the trick.

And am I the only one who finds Draco's insults particularly hilarious? "Potter, can I have your picture, Potter? Can I have your autograph? Can I lick your shoes, please, Potter?" Hee hee. Ok, maybe it's just me.

Hey!! Leave enough champagne for the rest of us.....

Edit: Oh, I forgot to mention how much I love the title of this...

i adore this thread title...you couldn´t think of a longer one, could you?!


NO, you are not the only one who laughs about his insults... he has a creative mind.
i´m always for thoughtful insults...that´s an art itself...teehee

...i used to dislike draco, because of his behaviour as i read the books for the first time...then as i started to reread them i started to ... let´s say like him more

Aethonon, we are all here! hey i got my second glass of champagne now...it´s the good stuff!

I don't know how likeable Draco really is--not much, I suppose. But I see a lost little boy when I look at him, poor thing. He could be so much more than what has been mapped out for him by his father. I know more than I care to about how parents can influence a child and affect his whole existence for so long after their influence should have waned...

Tigerlily, well, lol--we have S.O.S.S., and now we have D.O.D.D.

Let me tip off your flute--bottoms up!

I have a terribly motherly feeling for both Harry and Draco. I think that's why JK's work reaches across the generations. It brings forward a lot of different emotions in all of us. I just always feel so bad for both of the boys. So much to face, with so little support and preparation. Part of it is motherly, part of it recalls my own upbringing and what was missing.

awww... seems like i'm a liitle bit late for the opening party! but it's ok, i like to make an entrance lol.
ANd although i'm not completely obbssessed with Tom , i do have a soft spot when it comes to Draco. I blame everything evil about Dracon on his parents of course. I belive there is something good about him, he's gotta have a sensitive side, and i'm hoping it will show in the last HP book. And i do hope that he will change his ways, because he is such a bright young man and he could amount to so much more...

Any bits of champagne in the bottom of your glasses...they're mine!

I do love it when a new thread is opened and it's all fresh and new! AND IT'S ESPECIALLY NICE WHEN THE PERSON WHO OPENED IT ASKED PERMISSION!

Hehe! So, a tribute to our sacred Draco Malfoy, eh? Excellent idea! I was going to open one myself but it seems that Aethonon asked for permission first!

So, I would like to start the subjects with: Will Draco be killed in the final book?

Personally I think NOT (that's partly because I don't want to think about it!) Although in the last book I think that Draco will realise that he's in the wrong and will turn against Voldermort and help fight for the Order. Wouldn't that be nice?

Let's just pray that he doesn't get killed in the attempt to STOP Voldermort!

Yes,even I too wish that he turns against LV and also acts as a spy for the Order.But if LV found out about this(he hates traitors) he would obviously kill him.But I wish JK does it because my sympathy for him would increase.If he is killed,he would be a martyr and would be in the hearts of every one and especially it would affect Harry Potter.I have a question.When Draco turns against LV and joins the good side,will the enemity between the trio and him will end?.Won't Hermione want to take revenge on him for all the insults?.When he joins the Order,will they feel uneasy to cooperate with him,like in the case of Snape and Sirius?.

Oh my gosh! Why wasn't I told about this club!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Holy cow! A club focused on my Drakie-Poo!!!!! I think I've died and gone to heaven!!!! *swoon*



I think there is a distinct possibility that he dies. I also think if he does die, it will be towards the beginning of the book. Draco and Professor Snape just fled Hogwarts; where are they going to flee to? If they go back to Voldemort that is where Draco will more than likely be killed by Voldemort. If they go somewhere else, I think he'll have a better chance of survival.

I don't want it to happen, but there is that chance. If he doesn't die at the beginning of the book, then I see him somehow hooking up with Harry and going from there. I honestly believe that he will try to figure out who he is and in the process help Harry even if he doesn't like him. What is that old saying, "An enemy of my enemy is my friend"? I see that being Draco and Harry.

Heck with the 'little bits' of champagne! I'm opening a new bottle! We have much to celebrate!!!! There are clubs with all of my favorite people and I am a member of two of them!!! Whoo-hoo! How exciting!!!!

champagne? again?...Brilliant!!!


well, i think there is the chance that he is going to be killed off. unfortunately there are two characters going to die and we don´t know who it is going to be...
i think draco will join the order, cause after the scene on top of the tower with dumbledore and snape he will start to re-think everything and do the right thing (i hope so...). maybe he will fight against the deatheaters and dies in the battle...that would be morally and thoughtfull, at least i think so... .


i don´t believe that they will become best friends, but this is the final fight. there is no time to worry about the old insults anymore...it´s a matter of life and death that they get along.
sirius never believed in the "good" side of snape and they always hated eachother. i mean harry saw draco crying in the bathroom...he knows about his feelings. and he also saw him and heard him speak with dumbledore on the tower. he got to know dracos emotions and his worries... he saw something else than the arogant and insulting draco. this is, somehow, creating a kind of relation...that´s something that snape and sirius never had. i hope you understand my point...?!

i love this new thread...i get to say all the stuff i´ve ever wanted to tell about draco...

OMG! A site dedicated to the hottest guy to ever grace Harry potter movies, my Draco *sighs, as heart flutters*

I am so glad that this is opened, thanks Darcy! You are the bomb diggity! Anyway with all of this discussion about our beloved Draco, I have alot to say on this tpoic as most of you know from all of my rantings and such about The King. I read something very distressing earlier on the "killing off odds" of HP charactors. Harry now has 6-1 odds of dying off as does Draco. But it also says that there are 6-1 odds thst either Ron, Hermione, or Draco will kill Harry off. But when I read that there is a possibility that Draco would be offed I wanted to scream! That cannot happen no way... I am still firmly holding out that he will aid Harry in battle and will come out of the scuffle alive not dead as alot of these so called "betters" are saying. If Draco does die in Book 7 I don't think it will be at the beggining, why not? Because Tom said in an interview that his role would be the biggest in the final 2 movies, so if he was going to be killed off at the begginning of "Deathly Hallows" why would he have a huge role in Movie 7?

No if he does die ( and I am hoping not) then it will be at the end of the book when the big battle between Harry and Voldy goes down. I am so glad that this thread is here, now all of us Draco Lovers can discuss Draco as well as Tom to our hearts content

Thanks again Darcy!

My brother thinks draco is gonna save harry's life but i don't know, i think he might help him but i don't think he will save his life...oh, i don't want draco to die! i would cry for days....he's sooooooooooo adorable!
lol

I think it's funny that we've started out talking about death. The "d" word isn't even allowed in threads like SPELL. Ah well. I guess if there's nothing else to talk about...

Personally, if Draco were to got out, I would want Voldemort to kill him. I wouldn't want it to be in any other way. Course, my fantasy never-going-to-happen end for Draco would be sort of heroic, like he finally stood up to Voldemort, did something against the Death Eaters, you know?

I definitely don't think he'll join the Order. That's way to out of character for him. I'll accept a character turn around, but I won't accept him being all friendly and then going out for tea with the Trio. No, I like the Draco we've got. I think Draco just needs to use his own brain rather than the one his father made for him. Draco and Snape are kind of in the same ballpark for me. I'm just quietly hoping that they make a turn around for the right side, but don't lose personality while they're at it.

And if Draco turned around and it was early enough in the book for us to see what happened after that, I think his relationship with Harry and the other two would be much like Sirius and Snape. They are willing to help each other, but they'd still be uneasy and have little spats here and there, you know, the occasional insult. Draco does seem a bit soft, and I think Dumbledore's persuasion really may have got him thinking, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

No more champagne! No more rum-n-Coke! No more goat soup! I am hung over....

Yes, Elaine, feed that boy! He's a lanky one, is Tom! Always looks about 15 pounds underweight.

Marcey and McKenzie! I'm glad to see you found it! I didn't want to be pushy so I didn't say anything.

*sigh* Draco dying...

OK, here's something that has creeped me out since I first saw it. There's a picture from PoA where Draco is posing in front of the main clock tower doors with the Slytherins. And the pendulum from the clock was right behind his head. It looks as though he's some sort of dark angel with a black halo, like in the old Renaissance religious allegories...I wonder if this foreshadows his turning sides and yet remaining true Slytherin? I hope it doesn't foreshadow his death, though I would not be at all surprised if it did.

Dark Angel

What do you guys think?

I agree with Just the Droobles on the fact that if Draco was to take a turn to the good side, he would probably not become best friends with the trio. And they would have something similar to what Snape and Sirius had. I really do hope that he will finally start to use his head and decide that he does not want to end the way hs father is going to. Maybe he will change to try to protect his mother? I don't know if it will help the Order much if Draco turns to them, but sice i just looove Draco, i want him to be safe, and happy. But i definitely do not want him to change his personality completely, i love him the way he is

hmm...i think he has already changed. i mean he just did what he did in the last chapters of HbP to protect his mum. it wasn´t his wish to kill dumbledore. he saw no exit and if you are raised in the malfoy family (again i blame his parents...) it´s not easy to say "oh, i won´t obey the dark lord". he was farced to do it because he was treatened by LV. he was a scared and lonely boy, and this was actually the point when i felt sympathy for him.

Aethonon, i´m sorry. i´ve clicked at the dark angle link in your post, but i couldn´t see anything.

Okay, discussing Draco's death is starting to get depressing. Granted I know it's a possibility but must we dwell on it?

Here's a question for all of you Draco lovers? Draco says and does some pretty...odd things. What are you favorite Draco moments in either the books or the movies?

I love it when he's giving Harry a hard time and Hermione says, "Hello Professor Moody!" and he freaks out. "Twitchy little ferret aren't we?" I chuckle everytime I read that!

How weird, tigerlily, because it still works for me. Ah well, no one seems to want to discuss it anyway.

Funny Draco moments...I feel like a total dork, because it's been about a year since I read any of the books except PoA...shame, shame, shame...maybe I should stop writing fanfic and read the real thing again!

I have another topic idea but I love McKenzie's, so I'll hold on that, and try to remember some fun times with Draco--you're right girl, let's stop talking death for a bit!

Coffeeee....

ArGggHhhh!!! How did i not discover this thread earlier??!!! Oh well, I'm here now, and having read the two pages, I have to say, He Is Not Going To Die. Ever. How Can You Even Mention It?.

But, seriously, now i have recovered... Favorite draco moments...
I love his insults. they are inventive and creative, always good to branch out. I had to laugh at the amazing bouncing ferret part, but the moments that i think of aren't when he was having a go at somebody, but when he was for once showing his own emotions, apart from anger of course. The scene in the girls bathroom shocked me, and the part on the astronomy tower made him so much more real. He finally showed his weaknesses. I liked the way HBP showed him as much more of a real person, instead of just a bully.

However, i like the scenes in CoS, the quiditch and duelling club, where he's flat on his back...
Did I just say that?....

oh, i don´t want to talk about death anymore, too. but we have to face the fact that some characters are going to die .

hmm...favourite draco moments?!
i really liked the scene in PoA, when hermione and ron were standing in front of the shrinking shack and draco and some slytherins. draco is insulting ron and harry, under the invisibility cloak, is throwing mud at him...i just had to laugh so bad as i read it...

i have to admit that i started to feel sympathy towards him as i read the bathroom scene in HbP...untill this moment i was just laughing about his quotes, but i never liked him. now he is, as clara mentioned, a realer person and i feel pity for him.

Nice thread, Darcy! Love the name. I'm going to squeeze the last few drops of champagne out of that bottle, if you don't mind!

That really is a great picture. I wonder, though, if it is symbolic (or if you just like the symbolism in things that weren't meant to be symbolic) if it's already come to pass? I mean, he's already joined the death eaters; he's let them into the castle, he's tried to murder Dumbledore, he's posoned Ron, he's cursed Katie . . .rather dark stuff for the lad of 16/17. And I know he's supposed to look smug in that photo, but he kind of looks defeated to me. Not at all menacing, really, but just beaten.

To be honest, Draco isn't my favorite. (Don't beat me, I love the "villains!") I know his past has been sort of unfortunate, at least in the areas of acceptance . . .by his father anyways. His mother loves him and does anything for him. His father provides for his every whim. I know he's always under his father's thumb, and he feels a bit trapped by that, I expect: but I don't know how much of an excuse that is for some of his actions. Harry was treated horribly by the Dursleys. They hated him. Wanted him gone. Made no secret of it. At least Draco was wanted. Neville was constantly being compared to his father; and constantly felt the burden of not living up to the standard. Neville, if nothing else, is definately not mean. Draco could have been a better person, I think, in spite of the way his father treated him. I think he definately had a skewed vision of how power will make him great. And a skewed feeling of what power feels like.

(Incidentally, I took that Death Eater quiz from the SOSS again and scored Lucius Malfoy this time. . .he was my second the first time I took it, but I couldn't remember who I got at the moment I retook it. I like Lucius. He's completely deplorable, and I find I can like his character better that way. I don't know what my problem is with Draco.)

Thanks for starting a fun new club, Darcy!

One of my favorite Draco moments was in SS/PS when he has to go serve detention in the forest with the rest of them. I think it really defined him for us: Big Bark/Little Bite.

I'm glad you like the name, Janet! I wanted to tie it in a bit with S.O.S.S., since Draco's another Slytherin. What is next, I wonder? The Look of Lucious Lucius? L.O.L.L.? Nope, that doesn't quite work.

Draco is a little jerk--so very true! I think the thing that gets me about him is that he's a little jerk, like Dudley is a little jerk, meaning little in size only--though now they've grown. No one ever sits these boys down and says, "Now look--what you're doing to people is unacceptable." No one ever says anything! The authority figures in their lives either look the other way, or worse, encourage this behavior! Like Dudley with his Smeltings stick, being gazed upon fondly by Vernon, Draco hurts and nearly kills, and all because the authority figures in his life tell him it is acceptable, and even desirable.

Unlike Harry and Neville, who are surrounded by people who not only bring out the best in them, but sing their praises when they do good, Draco is rewarded only for being an utter prat. It's how he gets what he wants, it's how he gets attention, how he hopes to win glory. But now he's found that he's not quite capable of being the worst villain of all--a murderer. Where can he go from here, when everything he's ever been taught to believe, and prepared for, is something he cannot do?

And at the age he is--it is the crossroads. He'll either retreat back to what he knows, or have to be brave enough to find a new way, without having any guidance or experience in such. I think that's why I hope so fervently that Snape is good! Because that's who Draco will be leaning on now. If Draco can't find a new way, that's when I'll have to accept that he's a lost cause. But not quite yet!

Janet said a very interesting thing about which I'm going to disagree...You said that Draco has been wanted and cared by his parents. Actually I have a feeling that the Draco they love is not the person he is.
I mean, sometimes people are very different from how parents imagine/want them. This happens with partners also, and it's not unusual to see someone splitting up with his/her partner saying: "How could I believe he/she was [choose qualities] and he/she wasn't?". This happen with children also, and understanding their children's skills and aspirations is the tougher thing for parents.

So, I think that the Draco whom Narcissa and Lucius love is not exactly the real Draco. They love a certain idea of him, and since they are his safe port, he has accepted to ebhave and pretended to be as they wanted him to be.

This is why I still have some hopes about Draco's "redemption" and his chance to be happy, one day, without anyone telling him what to do.

Wow a lot has happened since I've been away!

Thank goodness we've moved off the "death subject" I feel like a right depressing idiot for starting it up!

*hangs head in shame*

Anyway, best Draco moments....I must say I absolutely ADORE the bit when they're in the train and Draco says:

"I, unlike YOU are a prefect and have the power to give detentions!"

and then Harry says:

"Yes but you, unlike me are a git! So get out and leave us alone!"

That makes me giggle when I read it!

oh, romilda_girl i love this scene with draco and harry !!!


i totally agree with you witchmom. you can see it in every scene lucius is talking to draco. he doesn´t love his son, he loves an image of his son. he wants him to be perfect. though we all know that lucius himself isn´t anything like that .
i always believe that, since draco was born, his parents, especially his father, did some kind of "brainwashing" with him. telling him that only purebloods are good wizards and that slytherin is the only acceptable house to be in...
i think he never really questioned the wants of his parents, till he is forced to kill dumbledore. he was always convinced that it is right to behave like this spoiled brat. as Aethonon said draco, as well as dudley, were encourage by their parents.
i hope he will have the guts to turn his back on the death eaters and LV.

Just wanted to let you guys know that I have discovered a group called Draco and the Malfoys. If you haven't listened to them check them out. They are hilarious.

The song "My Dad is Rich" is great!

I totally agree with you Tigerlily. I don't think Draco has seen anything other than the prejudices of his parents. It's like I've said before; pejudice parents/prejudice parents.

Draco was taught that only blood mattered. Once he learned that there is more to being a death eater than picking on "mudbloods" he got scared. Poor baby.

Hopefully he'll come to his full senses before it's too late.

Ha! That's great, McKenzie--thanks for the link! "My dad is rich and your dad is dead!"

I do find Clara's idea about how neither parent sees him for who he truly is interesting. It makes sense when one sees his few shown relations with them. As in HBP when Narcissa is hovering over Draco like he's porcelain--he doesn't want that! He gives her the slip. So he's not a spoilt little mama's boy in that he runs to her with problems. He brushes her off--there's a lack of respect there because she insists on babying him, or a lack of respect for reasons unknown.

His father...I think he desperately seeks Lucius' love, because he is never sure he has it. That's why he's willing to go to such lengths. Tigerlily, I think you're right about him in that he's never taken the time to wonder if what his father's been force-feeding him all these years are really the right ideas.

O.M.G. How did i not know about this place? I have died and gone to the slytherin commonroom! Im taking a wild guess and saying that most of you are slytherins? I agree that nither of his parrents noticing him for who he is, is interesting. seriously, his dad is a death eater. do you think he wont be evil? my parrents dont want me to be evil but i am anyway. Yes hes not a spoild little mamas boy, but he has lots of feeling, you must admit to that. I mean, he was crying in the bathroom! O.k. thats a little weak, but they were forcing him to kill Dumbledore.I would be crying if i didnt want to kill somebody. but he isnt as nice as you may get from me. He tryed to get hagrid fired, harry in detention, humilliate people, he isnt as evil as you think.

Ali

Didn't actually say that. I didn't even try to imply that. Sorry, if I did!

I said:
(Although, I should probably have added "as long as it makes Lucius look good") and


I think his mother is the key in the "loving" and "wanting" of Draco, as a mother is for her son. He's her only child. Not that she sees anything wrong with his behavior, and whether or not she sees him as he really is is irrelevant. He is wanted and accepted and loved by Narcissa. Her desperate plea to Snape for his protection is enough proof of that for me. She willingly goes behind the Dark Lord's back, even after Lucius has messed things up with him, to ensure that someone competent is looking out for the safety of her son. I think Draco resents that a bit, myself. Probably because of his father.

I don't know what Lucius feels about Draco. It's not acceptance, I'm not all that sure it's our sense of what the love of a father should be. I will stand by the "wanted" with Lucius, though. Of course Draco is wanted by his father. Unfortunately it's with all of these unrealistic conditions, but he's wanted by Lucius-and it's important to Draco to try to be that son; hence some of the mess.

Do parents ever really know they're children? As of right now, I know mine pretty well, but they're little. Once they grow older, they'll have these lives apart from me where I won't be allowed in. I will know their basic moral structure, most likely-but I won't know everything about them. My mom certainly doesn't know everything about me. I still feel loved by her. (Not that I'm comparing myself to Draco)

If Draco decided to neglect his upbringing, I believe his mother would still stand up for him and love him. I believe his father would disown him. I think his father's opinions weigh more to Draco than his mother's.

What am I yammering on about? I don't know. I need sleep! Sorry if I only added to the confusion.

Yes, if i only hd 1 son i would be a bit protective about him. If The Dark Lord decided to drag him off and tell him he had to kill dumbledore, I would attempt to kill him(the Dark Lord)! And Lucius only does things if it makes him look good.so all those things he does for Draco are only things to make him look like a good father. Yes, Draco dosent want help killing dumbledore from Snape, because he knows his mother put him up to it. So he was declining help....for nothing? He should have accepted the help and then Snape could have told the Dark Lord that Draco did it! Thats what i would have done.
Oh! By the way, like my new siggy?

Oh well, no problem, Janet!! Sorry if I misinterpreted your words. Anyway it led to an interesting discussion....
For "wanting" I mean when two people strongly want to become parents...and I still think that it applies to the Malfoys, being the pureblood thing so important for them...an heir, and more specifically a male heir, should have been Lucius' priority probably when he married Narcissa.
Caring doesn't apply to Lucius' attitude towards his son. He is very strict with him, it's Narcissa who spoils the boy. When Lucius gives something to Draco, he has an hidden purpose, like when he buys the brooms to the Slytherin Quidditch team. It's not a present to Draco, but a way to put him to the first line, to say that the Malfoys CAN have all they want. The Malfoys in general, not specifically Draco; Draco because he's a Malfoy.

I have that myspace group on my profile as a friend. Funny!!

Actually no, I'm a Gryffindor but I should be a Slytherin..don't know WHAT went wrong there!

Mmmmm Draco Malfoy!

Draco and Narcissa have an odd sort of relationship. Narcissa loves Draco very much but Draco declines her love, thinking that it will spoil his "bad boy" image.

Secretly, Draco is very sensitive and puzzled (we see him crying in the bathroom with Murtle) He definately has a good side and, well, he didn't really have the choice about killing Dumbledore (even though he didn't)

In the next book he's on a bit of a sticky wicket because well, if he goes back to Voldy then he will be most likely killed because he didn't do the job!

If he goes anywhere else then he'll be tracked down!

AAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

Haha nooo!! I'm a gryffindor too like romilda_girl!.I'm supposed to be in Gryffindor but I like Draco.



Yeah!He doesn't want to be a sissy in front of the trio.He loves her and he will do anything for his parents only thing is that he doesn't want his mother to treat him as a baby!



Actually I was suprised after I read this in HBP.I mean,I've only seen his villan behaviour not the one who has feelings for his parents.Was anyone else suprised?.

oh, i´m a gryffindor, too!
and i wouldn´t say that i love draco, but he is an interesting character and i´m fascinated by him!

all of you mentioned good points about his relation to his parents.
i just wanted to add, that his mother means a lot to him, of cause he doesn´t want her to treat him like a baby in front of the trio, but i don´t think that he is really disrespectful. he is a teen, no teen wants his mom to treat him like that in front of others, especially if those are people that you don´t like (the "bad boy" image was a good point!).

i agree with you passerby. i don´t think you can completely know your parents/or parents can´t know all about their children... parents and their children can be so different. or have totally oppositly opinions about life.i believe the most important things in the parents-children-relationship is acceptance and respect. some parents try to change their kids or try to reach their own goals through them (like lucius malfoy does).


i was surprised by his insecurity and his emotions...i always believed that he kind of looked up to his father(i wouldn´t call it love though) and i think he really loves his mum (he wouldn´t be that convinced by himself, if he hadn´t had a good relation to his mother.if he hadn´t he would be more insecured about himself).

A club dedicated to Draco! I can't believe one hadn't been opened before! :-D

I dunno WHAT I am, I'm something between a Ravenclaw and a Slytherin!

I was also really surprised about Draco's break-down in HBP! He always seems so arrogant and self-assured, plus he's really popular in Slytherin. But now, I guess he was just trying to hold up the bad boy image for everyone else, like, for them not to think he's a weak sissy or something. And I guess if Voldemort told you that if you didn't successfully murder, he'd murder your entire family, it wouldn't be that hard to break down like that. Which brings me around to another point...

The fact that Draco was really worried about how Voldemort was going to kill his entire family proves that Draco does love his mom and dad. His dad probably puts a lot of pressure on him, but still. It's called family! Draco does want to appear really "all that", but it would be weird if he didn't care for them. Draco might be annoyed with his mom or dad, but isn't everyone every now and then? He still loves them.

Draco has always been one to act bigger and badder than what he really is deep down. He likes to put on a show for all to see. Yes he did finally break down in HBP, but look what he was suppossed to do for Voldy...He really bit off more than he could chew thats for sure. He probaly thought that the task bestowed upon him by the Dark Lord would have been a piece of cake for him. But as he got deeper and deeper into it, he slowly realized that maybe he was not quite cut out for this job afterall.

Draco has shown that yes he does have a softer side than most people realize, and I think this has alot to do with the loving and nurturing he has gotten from his mother. His father has always drilled it into his head that in order to get what you want, you must be conniving and manipulative. Lucius gets disappointed whenever Draco does not meet up to his expectations. Lucius only wants for his son to follow in his own footsteps.

In the end I do not think Draco will die, I think that he will help in the downfall of Voldy and come out looking like a hero, and maybe even he and Harry can sort of be on the same plane with one another. Any thoughts on this????

I am a Ravenclaw...for what it's worth.

I think that Draco's parents like him for what they think he is. I have a feeling that whole family likes to embellish stories, and make things up. Make things appear to be more than they are. Course, Draco can only learn those things from his parents.

Draco acts like he does because it's the only thing he knows. He grew up being the center of attention. He grew up with his father telling him that Muggle-borns were filthy, and that they should fear and obey the Dark Lord. It is hard for a child to be able to make his own decisions when he has been taught only one thing. However, now that Draco is growing up, he is seeing other opportunities for himself. He is questioning his parents. And apparently he is easliy swayable because Dumbledore was able to talk to him so easily.

Draco seems to always be troubled by his own status. He admires his father and respects his opinion, and therefore always tries to impress him in any way possible, no matter the cost to others. He cries in HBP because he is afraid of failure. He is afraid of his father, and now he seriously fears Voldemort as well because of the position he's gotten himself into. He's troubled by what is expected of him and what he really wants to do and it has obviously taken a toll on his little brain.

He is also not receiving the kind of love that he needs from his parents. I think his mom really cares about him, but since he has a superior complex, he doesn't like the lovey stuff his mother probably gives him. His father treats him more as a pet. His father would never accpet him should he do what he wanted. It's like Lucius has put Draco on display, and Draco is only around to impress.

So all in all, Draco is trying to impress someone that doesn't truly love him. Well, at least that's my view of it. It's really a lose-lose situation for the poor kid. If he does the right thing, his father will hate him (and Voldemort would hear about it) and if he does the wrong thing, everyone else will still hate him. So...no love for Draco.

Except form us perhaps.

i think Just the Droobles made a pretty good summery of the whole narcissa-draco-lucius relation
quite a sad childhood if you think about it...though draco´s dad is rich (this song is really funny!!!). sorry to say he won´t get the love of me, but support and pity


it´s all about his next decision...i mean he failed, he hadn´t finished his mission. he is standing on the edge and he needs to decide what to do next. that´s actually the point of no return. now that all his former beliefs have been shattered...what is left for him? will he stay on the dark side? i don´t think so... it´s a really painful path that he has to go now. he can´t go on like before.
i hope he will leave the death eaters....maybe take his mum with him to save her...he can´t just forget what has happened in the last few month and i think the conversation with dumbledore kept him thinking...
if he joins the ones that are against lord voldemort he might have an important role...he could serve them informations on the location of the death eaters and what they have planed to do...?!

Draco does have alot on his shoulders now and he also has alot to think about. He has to decide as to what he should do now. He is in hiding (with Snape I presume) and he has to figure out a way to come out of hiding without puting himself or his mother in danger. This will be a tricky move for Draco to make. He knows that he has angered Voldy with his failed mission, so he has to figure out how he can get around not being found out by the Dark Lord.

his whole mindset has changed now it is alot different than what it was prior to him being called upon to kill Dumbledore. He has now come to realize that maybe he is not cut out to be a Death Eater after all. If he was then he would have killed Dumbledore, without hesitation and no questions asked. Again I feel that he will turn against Voldy and the Death Eaters (and this means turning against his father) and aid in the battle to take them all down.


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Wow...three pages of posts already! I guess you were right about a lot of Draco lovers on VTM! But you couldn't possibly make a longer title than "A Draught Of Dramatic Draconian Drawls"? Or did it not fit a badge you are designing?

I think what seems to be said about Draco not being very well loved is reflected in the GoF movie where Lucius (the actor's name slipped from my mind at the moment) hit Draco on the shoulder with his wand/stick at the Quidditch World Cup. That, and in various places scattered in the movie where Lucius almost appears to be physically abusing, and verbally abusing Draco. I believe that you captured Draco's emotions perfectly in your "Seasons of Draco", Darcy. Expecially that bit when he reflects how hard and emotionless his father is.

Draco always appears to be a tough guy, matching with the "manliness" image that an almost medieval society of the wizarding world provokes. But deep inside, I really think that Draco, as many others have said, wants to be loved and have his parents approval --especially his father's. In typing this post, I found that Draco is so much like me in some ways. He even agreed to be a Death Eater, hoping to please his father and make him proud of him (er...Lucius proud of Draco ). Hmm...reminds me of Simple Plan's song "Perfect" too.

*shakes head* Anyways. Kinda straying from topic at hand. See how hard it is for me to stay on topic? I somehow waltz off in a single post!

I...have a feeling that Draco will actually, along with Severus, help Harry and the Order. Because he was faced with the task of killing Dumbledore, he searches deep within himself and perhaps will find that Dumbledore spoke the truth: killing is not for him and he doesn't truly want to kill. Perhaps, he will want to honour the Headmaster by helping Severus and the Order? I think that he will find himself in his reflections in the aftermath of the events of the HBP and draw strength from his discoveries. It is unfortunate that JKR will not be writing from the view of Draco, it will be interesting to see what he thinks about Severus killing Dumbledore and his...inability to complete his command. Though, there was a section in the HBP where it was about Snape and Narcissa at...Spinner's End? I think that was it.

Dianne! Where have you been, girl! I hope you're OK.

Yeah, the name was fashioned after the Severely Obsessed Slytherin Society (S.O.S.S.), which is a terrific title. Ours is D.O.D.D., though in reality it's actually D.O.D.D.D.......lol.

My fics. You know, my fics really did deal with my feelings about Draco, and I guess how I would see a solution for him. He's not really a natural leader--he never thinks for himself. He comes across as a leader because of Crabbe and Goyle, but when you think of him, what does he lead? What does he ever initiate? Not much. Compared to Harry he is no leader at all. And in a better world, it would be OK for him to be that way, but he lives in his father's world, and in that world, he should lead millions.

That's why I wrote my fic the way I did. As Aubrey (Just the Droobles) said, he's always had bad advice and accepted it as truth, and he's finding that perhaps it's all wrong. To my way of thinking, he had to find someone new to follow, someone whose opinions mattered enough to him to want to latch onto them. The person had to be someone he was slightly in awe of, someone he could respect and admire. In essence, Emilie became the replacement for all of the rotten advice he's always followed before then.

But...sigh...it's only a fanfic. I don't see Jo being as kind. She really doesn't like Draco much, in my opinion.

Mmm...that would entirely depend on what "OK" is termed at, but in general, I'm not dying at the moment.

Nah, I don't think Jo likes Draco much either. I think that she purposely wrote Draco the way she did to make us all hate Draco. Guess her brilliant plan met a small hitch and didn't come right through.

I wonder if Narcissa will be harmed because Draco and Lucius have failed to complete the task that the Dark Lord has commanded of them?

Draco did, kinda, intiate the Inquisitor Squad, which, when I read it, sounded a lot like the Spanish Inquisitors. Is that what they're called? It was something similar.... Their action eeringly reflected the Spanish too, though, I've never heard of someone rebelling against them. And they certainly never had a pair of twin push one of their numbers into a Vanishing Cabinent!

Now...I'm rambling. However, I was watching...er...re-watching, the PoA movie. I noticed that after Hermione punched Draco, and when Draco was running back towards the castle with Crabbe and Goyle, Draco said "don't you tell my father about this". It was silent proof to what I was saying about Draco wanting his father to be proud of him. It...seems as though Draco feels, through Lucius' actions, that he cannot gain his father's approval.

I do agree with you Darcy about JK never much caring for Draco *sigh* what a shame that one is...I am just hoping that she will be compassionate enough not to kill Our King off in Book 7 that would be so heartbreaking for many of us...

I love your fanfic about Draco, it totally shows a different side to him that would never come out in the books or movies. They show him as being a very compassionate, caring human being. And not to mention that he becomes friends with all of those he had shunned in the past because of his arrogance.

Yeah Draco does come off as being a leader because of his "goon squad" but other than that he really doesn't lead them anywhere. He cons them into doing his bidding (like in HBP when he has them take polyjuice potion to become girls to be his lookout) other than that he has never demonstrated any other kinds of leadership abilities with any of the Slytherins. He exhibits power over them becaue of his wealth and his background and they all basically hang on to him for support.

I don't care what anyone else might say about Draco, he is still one heck of an awesome Slytherin and he will do amazing things in the final book...

I know this is really off topic, but I just had to share with everyone....I GOT DRACO'S WAND FOR CHRISTMAS!!!! WHOO-HOO!!!! I am so excited!!!! I couldn't believe it! The girl I work with is not quite as obsessed about HP as I am, but she enjoys the movies and books as well. Well, she bought me the wand! And the silver and gold house bookmarks.

Tee hee!

Anyway, I thought you might want to know as Draco fans and all. If not, just skip over my post and I won't be hurt a bit.

~McKenzie~

I've never actually seen what Draco's wand really looks like, McKenzie! And that is such a nice gesture from a work colleague! How sweet!

I am wondering if it would be OK to introduce a new topic, this time Tom Felton related. I've been looking into this for a few days and I find it really disturbing.

MySpace Accounts.

I was sending owls back-and-forth with Clara (witchmom), and she sent me a link to Tom Felton's My Space. Trouble is, I don't think it is. I think it's a fake. Some of it is quite disturbing. It's made me curious. How many MySpace accounts might "Tom" have made that he didn't really make? It's been really weird...

In only the first ten pages (there are several hundred entries with his name!) of a search at MySpace under "Tom Felton" I found four accounts, all claiming to be from Tom. One of them was the same link Clara gave me.

Here's one I thought was just silly:

Tom Felton Fake #1

He claims he lives with his mum, dad, and three brothers. As far as I know, he doesn't live with his dad, and at least one brother is in Australia, so that doesn't pan out. The pictures are also just lifted from his official website.

OK, that's one, then, there was another one I didn't even save, because it had his height at 6'5.' Six-feet, five inches? What is this girl on?

OK, then the one Clara gave me:

Tom Felton Fake #3

Disturbing. For one thing, it has him listed as bisexual, which would not upset me, except that in any interview of Tom's I've ever read (not many, I'll grant you, but I've read his blog), he always mentions girls. Girls, girls, girls...the boy loves the women. So why make a MySpace and suddenly admit to being bi? And why call his fans "fangirls" in his blog entry? I find the term 'fangirls' to be derogatory. Then, I looked at the dates of log-in. No log-in since the last day of March, 2006. I checked the MySpace account of his supposed 'friend' Cody, about whom he goes on and on in his blogs. Last date of log-in? March 31, 2006. Coincidence? I think Cody made this MySpace, claiming to be a friend of Tom's, but I think he created this fake account to impress his boyfriend, because it seems they were on the verge of a break-up when this blog was made.

This last one...and watch clicking on this one if kids are around and your sound is on :

Tom Felton Fake #4?

Seems the closest to what I'd expect from Tom. Many pics are lifted from his official site, but there are others I have not seen. Maybe some of you have seen them elsewhere though? The info seems spot-on...the only trouble I have with it is that some of the accounts on his friends list, accounts like Dan Radcliffe's, seem fake. If this is his real blog, does that mean I have to accept the account that is supposedly Dan's as really being his as well?

This is making my head spin! What do you all think? Which blog is real? Any of them? You might know more about his biography and such than I do, so I'm really interested in what you think.

I find it highly disturbing (and infuriating!) that people would create fake MySpaces of Tom (or any famous person!), fooling fans into thinking they are real!

I'm pretty naive sometimes...I didn't even check for other accounts!! and never asked to be added as a friend....
Myspace is a fantastic place, but you're right, faking is something out of control... It's all up to people, to say they're just fans or not. This girl I know, who opened a profile for Carmen Consoli (a singer from my town), stated clearly that she isn't the real singer but just a fan. Honest!

Anyway, I find Tom attractive, alas, only when he's playing Draco. Oh.. I confessed!! I have some Draco pictures on my HD, too. Well...since I'm in the mood for confessions, I have even written a fic in which he falls for Snape's woman.

Yeah, Darcy,, don't worry...it has been just a fling, years ago. OT: Darcy, what about Ville then?

McKenzie, you're very lucky, girl! both for having received the wand, but also for having such a close friend who understands which your true desires are!!

Ville gave my eyes a heart attack. Thanks for the picture, Clara!

Maybe I am just naturally suspicious. I think I get it from when I was friends with that famous guy. People would come on his thread and pretend to be him, or someone who knew him, and the real famous guy would give me questions to ask him that only the real famous guy could know the answers to, and we'd flush the fakers out. So I got a little paranoid of anyone claiming to be someone famous online.

At first I figured you were right, and it was his, but then I went back to look at it again, closer this time, with a critical eye, and it just started to fall apart. Then I wondered--how many more of these are there? And if I found four in ten pages, I'll bet there are even more!