Sirren, you were wondering why LV made a point of telling Harry his dad dies straight-backed and proud. I think LV thinks it was foolish. He is a Slytherin. They save their own skin, not die for others. I don’t think LV was impressed, he was contemptuous.

OMG!!! Smuggling something….going back to the very first book: What was the subject of the first book? Could the Potters possibly have had the sorcerer’s stone? Could they have been hiding it from LV and LV wanted it then? Could it be that simple?????

LV knew about it then. He wanted it. The OoTP was hiding it. DD was using the cloak to move it. It was moved to Gringots until the first book.

It really had nothing to do with Harry but had everything to do with LVs quest to be immortal.

I have to ponder this idea more. Thoughts?

Cris

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Hmmm...hiding the sorcerer's stone. That idea I think has some merit. There's just a couple of things that don't quite add up to making the theory completely plausible.

First, DD said that the idea of LV having to depend on a potion to keep him immortal wouldn't appeal to him. If he missed a dose or two, he would die. He would be completely dependent upon that potion. DD said that LV would have been willing to use the elixir of life just to regain a body, but would then resort back to his horcruxes for immortality.

Second, why would they need the invisibility cloak to hide something as small as the sorcerer's stone? I would think they could hide it quite effectively in their pockets when transporting it. Other times, it could be hidden by other magical means.

That's just my thoughts, anyways.

As for my own theories as to why DD had the cloak before the Potter's demise, I still don't know other than to let someone borrow it to hide under the night the Potter's were attacked. Not very creative, I know.

True, LV had a body at that time. What about the riches part? Perhaps he needed funding for taking over the Ministry.

True too about hiding the stone but if LV knew where it was he would be watching very closely and perhaps there was a way to detect it.....

It is just a thought.

I am with you on the 'someone needed it and that's why DD had it' theory. That was my first and will probably be what I stick with until proven wrong.

Cris

Well, that's true. The stone being able to transform metal into gold is very appealing. However, I would think that LV could manage his own way of getting riches-by force. He strikes fear into so many people that I'm sure he could have access to all the gold he could ever want.

As for taking over the ministry, if he were to do that, I would think he would do it by force as well. He wouldn't bother trying to buy his way in. That just doesn't seem like LV's style. He'd rather use his "influence" to get control.

And I would think that it would be easier to detect the stone hidden by the invisibility cloak than by other magical means. But that's just me.

Like you said, I will stick with someone else needing the cloak as well until I'm proven wrong. Which, incidentely, is just around the corner! 16 more days!!

If Dumbledore ended up with the cloak after James died, then I think it's most likely that whoever was hiding under the cloak was either a friend of Dumbledore's, OR met Dumbledore soon afterwards.

Of course, I'm hinting that I believe the popular theory that Petunia was under the cloak. WHY she would be there I couldn't begin to speculate, but that's by two cents...

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Well, my thoughts on that is that Petunia is still Lily's sister. I think that Lily knew her life was in danger, and that she had a high likelyhood of dying. She might have found a way to get in contact with her sister and had her meet them there. This wouldn't mean that Petunia didn't think her sister was a freak or anything like that, but it would mean that family is family, through thick and thin. This would provide a nice balance for Percy (whom I hope reunites with his family too). It just seems to me that there is a huge secrecy about the events of that night, and there is something about that night that we need to know. Petunia having something else special about her that has nothing to do with her being magical, and her being in contact with Dumbledore before the letter with Harry, these don't make sense to me any other way.

I am so-so-so sorry if this theory has already been posted somewhere in this thread or in the old one, but I didn't feel like going through all the pages.

Firstly, I think we should, just like louise said, look at this part:



But in a different way.

What if Dumbledore himself was under it when the Potters we're killed??? Now, the most likely response to this is: why would he, he can make himself invisible without that you stupid noob!

The answer is simple: Dumbledore didn't use his way because that was the first way Voldemort would look for. Dumbledore didn't want to be caught by Voldemort. Voldemort would suspect Dumbledore to be there to try and save Them, so ofcourse he searched fur somebody being hidden under a spell. Then, once he found no-one, he proceded to kill the potters. The next flaw in my theory is: why didn't he stop voldemort killing Lily and James? Because obviously he could have done that! The answer is simple: He wanted the prophecy to be fulfilled. If the prophecy wasn't fullfilled, it would only take longer to "Vanquish The Dark Lord". Also, there is another reason Why Dumbledore was there:

Before I explain this part of my theory, I am going to need to quote something from another book I have read, namely 'Northern Lights' by Philip Pullman. In the scene a incredibly smart man is trying to create a bridge to another realm, but he explains it like this to a child who is interested (summarized):



Wouldn't sacrifising yourself for you son, which is exactly what Lily did, be that "phenomonal" burst of energy? Somebody had to harnass it into Harry's protection, which is where Dumbledore comes into play. He had told the potters that their son was either going to die or going to kill Vodlemort, and that they we're probably going to be killed too. Then he told Lily she had to sacrifise herself, and James that he had to give him [DD] his cloak. james demanded that he give the cloakto Harry when he was dead, and DD agreed.

So what happened: Voldy kills James, Lily Sacrifises herself, DD harnasses pwer into protection, avada kewaffles backfires, Prophecy has been triggered.

Mascini I like your thinking. Yes DD let the Potters die because of the prophecy. I like the twist on the invisibility ability too.

The theory on the burst of energy is great. Did DD tell Lily about his plan? Was it part of the plan? Was it an accident that he channeled? Did JKR know about this book or have an idea of her own? Good starts.

Edit:Have you read the Puppet Master Theory? The link is in my signature. I think you will find it very interesting.
Cris

It was in fact all a plan. Somewhere in HBP, DD mentions somthing about tyrants allways fearing that person who will stand up and fight. He heard part of th prophecy, and was in such a hurry that he failed to realize it was a setup. Because in my opinion Snape is good (I'm not going to explain why, everybody thinks something else), and heard the whole prophecy. On DD's order he only relayed part of it to Voldy, the part that would make him rush to the Potters. In that time, DD apparated to the potters', told James and Lily about the plan, got the cloack, and hid waiting to harnass the love ( that sounds like a cliche).

And you we're right. The Puppet Master Theory was very indeed interesting.