Ok, It is a little farsighted. Probably too farsighted. But there is a lot of things to consider with Movie 5.

*The book is the largest yet.
*The theme is a lot more complicated and complex.
*There are a lot more scenes and characters.
*And there are a few. umm. well death issues to contend with.

How long do you think that it will go for?

Will they split it into two movies?

What will be left out?

Will some characters be forgotten?

How will the death of Sirius be dealt with?

I think it is a possibility that they will split it into two so they can stay truer to the book.

So the new question is.. Is that a good thing?

I don't know. Anything Movie 5 Related can go here!!

How long do you think that it will go for?
Well over an hour at the least.... it's longer than GoF isn't it?

Will they split it into two movies?
I doubt it... I think it'll be just one long movie!

What will be left out?
Hopefully none of the important stuff.. I was frustrated when I read somewhere that they're cutting some stuff in GoF, stuff that many people, myself included, want to see! Some of 'em were rumors... so it's ok..

Will some characters be forgotten?
Like who? There are only a couple of new characters in the book... Umbridge.. I can't wait to see that!! Haha... imagine the stress on the actress who plays Umbridge... tremendous!

How will the death of Sirius be dealt with?
I don't know.. it depends on each person... I cried when I read the book... and since it's very detailed I invisioned it in my head..... hopefully they'll make the "Sirius Death Scene" at the top of the list.. since it IS very important! I can imagine myself in the theater, bawling my eyes out....

Anywho, I hate to be reminded of OotP, the movie that is. Because I'm sooooo anxious for GoF to come out (which isn't till next year) and thinking about OotP is way beyond being anxious...

It's never too early to start the speculation!!! What else have we got to keep us going until we get GoF and HBP??!!!

Anyway...

I think it's unlikely to shorter than GoF will eventually be, but that it won't be significantly longer either. I'm guessing it might possibly run for about two and three quarter-three hours....

This book is going to be much harder to 'prune' down than GoF was. I mean, I think most people can see that the QWC was not essential to the plot of GoF, neither was the Yule Ball scene (sorry, guys..I know how you feel about it....but it wasn't really THAT important...)...but with OotP, it's hard to really know what's significant and what isn't. I mean, JKR allowed them to cut the Dursleys from GoF which suggests that they're not going to be important, but then she goes and starts us all off again about the Howler DD sent Petunia and the whole Dudley Demented thing, so I guess they'll have to include that......

They might do away with, or at least significantly tone down, the Hearing and the whole Ministry thing....maybe they'll find another way to introduce Umbridge's character. I'm also very, very sad to think about it, but I really think that most of what goes on in Grimmauld Place ain't gonna make it either...which is a huge pity because I would so much love to see Sirius and Harry talking about the family tree, Sirius' reaction to Kreacher and so on...not to mention Tonks....and the interaction between Snape and Sirius.....

That being said though, I think allowances have to be made because, if you think about it, OotP is the first book where the main storyline doesn't take place within Hogwarts - all the significant events take place outside. All the previous films have centred mainly around the events within Hogwarts and that has acted as a sort of 'template' for the script - most stuff that took in place outside Hogwarts being largely excised....they can't do that with OotP which makes it so much harder to decide what should stay and what should go.

The Advance Guard....I think Tonks, Lupin, Moody and Kingsley will be there, but I doubt any of the others will....I love Mrs Figg and Mundungus' characters to bits, but I'm not sure how significant their presences will be either, so they might have to go. Bill and Charlie haven't really had much of an impact either and I don't think they've been cast for GoF, so they're unlikely to be introduced to the film world now.....neither is Peeves, which is another great pity because I would have loved to see Fred and George's monumental, epic, legendary exit from Hogwarts in their own, home-made brand Blaze of Glory ™( )....

As for the most significant thing in the whole book....the death of my beloved Sirius....well....what can I say? It had better be pretty bloomin' close to perfect.....certainly I hope that it receives more air time than it did in the book. And there had better be some touching, really moving reactions from the other characters......I'm sure it will be, the filmmakers haven't let me down so far.... I hope they can get John Williams back to score it.....if 'Window to the Past' in PoA is anything to go by, that guy is as close to perfect as composers can get......

Wow!! That was the longest post I've written in a while, I think!!!!

Yes I know it is far away.... But I think we have really left no leaf unturned in GoF. And we won't know much more about it until we see it or more of the script gets leaked. (which really annoys me)

They better do a justice to Sirius. After such an awful life his death better get some good screen time. If not .

I almost think that it'd be better spread over two movies. So that way it gets done a justice.

I am so going to cry. Just be in the cinema bawling my eyes out. But you can't help it.

Things that could be cut..

The inquisitorial squad.
The Hogs Head
Umbridges detention. (I'd like to see them though)
Sirius in the fire.
Prefectship
Weasley is Our King (I know)
Banned for life
Some of the OWLS
Some of the DA
Cho?
The Hearing
Some of the Department of Mysteries.
Hedwig injured
Hagrids Tale
Grawp
The Centaurs and Firenze.
The sacking of Trelawney.
The letter to Krum
Part of St Mungo's
Neville?
Dean or Seamus ~whichever one has been told not to talk to Harry.

The only problem with cutting all this is that there simply will be no plot left!!

Im also sad to say that i think grimmauld place will be cut, It shouldnt be... there needs to be more sirius. Most of the OWLs will probably be cut as well. Hopefully, well see much more of fred and george in this film... I hope they dont cut out the many aspects of Skiving snackboxes. They should at least show Fred and George's escape scene. ( Im a little obsessed with them, can you tell?) I dont think they will cut out the DA because there is some importance to it... i mean it is where Luna, Neville, Ron, and Hermione, learned the things they needed to use when they went to rescue Sirius. I also really want to see the thestrals.

It is so sad though!! All those things that I listed down were essential to our enjoyment of the movie. Whereas we don't want to go to the movies and see Harry talk to Sirius, learn occlumency, have strange dreams and then go and battle Voldemort. But sadly I think that is what I am going to see.

I would go to the movies and cry afterwards if all this was left out:-

*The Lupin parts
*Sirius
*Grimauld place
*The Dursleys
*Weasley is our King
*Fred and George leaving (I agree!)
*Weasleys Wildfire Whizzbangs
*Umbridges detentions (I don't know why)

And If they don't do Sirius and his poor heroic death some justice the will have ME to answer to. (Pretty scary )
If I see any really pathetic acting during this (Like some parts of PS/SS) I will be in despair.

I just realized another scene that should not be cut. The part at the end of OotP where Malfoy, Crabbe, and Goyle try to corner Harry on the Hogwarts express, and end up being jinxed by 5 or six DA members. I think the book says they resembled slugs forced into hogwarts uniforms. That would be preiceless.

It will be cut out. It angers me so much when they write stuff out. But it will happen so I suppose we should just accept it.

i dont think that the movie will be very long. most of the time harry is only thinking. actually more than half of the book is harry just thinking

i dunno about that Dansgurl01! i thought it was more than that. i mean it wasnt half the book maybe like 1/4 of it. i hope it's not cut tho! i want it to be 5 hours long! i justb had an idea!

ok, look at the book. most of it is him thinking. they arent going to show harry sitting there and thinking, so they will probabaly show just the main ideas of the movie.

i reckon it will be cut inot two movies and each will probably last abot 2 hours and half thats my estimate lol

i don't think they'll split in two movies... was there any movie that was split? maybe it would be ok if it would the first part-intermission-second part but i would hate it if it would be two seperate movie 'cause it would be like... umm what happens next? i think this movie will be at least 3 hours... most of the things in the book is important to the plot...as the books progress so does the plot which makes it harder for the screenwriter to cut parts... but things i do want to see is the advance guard, grimauld (sp?) place, the DA, umbridge's detention and the fight with her in class, some quidditch, snake scene, skiving snackboxes and wildfire whizzbangs, st. mungo's, hearing, department of mysteries, christmas, death scene, and etc... i probably forgot a lot of parts... but OotP will be probably released in 2007 so i don't want to think that far ahead... but i just hope they won't chop up the book and cut out a lot of parts!

This movie, by far, will be a lot different from all the other movies. There will be a new director, new script writer, new characters, etc etc.

I don't think they will split it into two movies though, since GoF was as condensed as OotP (give or take 50-100 pages). Probably at most three hours?

They have cut A LOT of things in GoF...nearly ripping apart the book. Which makes me think it would be choppy. Keeping this in mind, I think many things would be cut from the fifth movie too...

I'm really interested to see who they cast as Tonks and Luna. While reading the book, I always envisioned Luna being played by Amber Benson ... but she's American, so that's not gonna happen. Plus, she's like twenty-something.

Who do you guys think would be good to play some of the new characters?

I'm excited about who they'll cast as Bellatrix Black!. Who do you think would be perfect for the part?...

I reckon Anna Chancellor would definitely do justice to such a nasty character. I couldn't picture a more perfect candidate!

do you guys know where its audition start? I really want to take part..

Not really, I just finished reading it (again- 20 millionth time) and there isn't that much that is Harry thinking. Anyway I listed most of the main points of it and those themes aren't him thinking. A lot of the things however require a lot of build up or a skillfull explaination. Aww heck who knows?

As for auditions it hasn't been announced yet. My guess would be June/July (-ish) next year.

Funny you mentioned Patricia Routledge, that's who I used as a template for my Umbridge when reading OotP, although I made her smaller

To be perfectly honest, I hadn't really considered her until I was watching her wandering around with a clipboard at a church function in an episode that was shown on UK Gold last week. It hit me like a thunderbolt, I tell you. Now, when I read OotP, I find it difficult to imagine anyone else. Actually, Umbridge really is a slightly nastier version of Mrs Bucket and I found myself wondering if JKR had her in mind when she wrote the character. I know that, apparently, she had Robbie Coltrane in mind for Hagrid, so...who knows? Do you reckon we should start lobbying WB?

because they cut the out the family friends details from #3, and probably have from #4, sticking to action scenes instead. Maybe they'll avoid the memory scene altogether. Suppose it depends on how important a subplot JK tells WB it is

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that didn't make much sence; I can see WB removing the struggling mentally Harry and keeping the physically effected Harry in the films.

Yes!! Another one!! There's loads of us Patricia Routledge for Umbridge people out there, you know....we've just all been locked up in the cupboards until now....

I really think we should be starting a campaign, you know....if those idiots at WB are seriously considering Elizabeth Hurley for Bella, then I really think they're losing it and they need all the help they can get...

My Calculus teacher would be the perfect Umbridge... In looks anyway... she's pretty squatty and toadlike, but sadly she is not from the UK... so we couldn't have her. But it was so funny the first day of school, my friend and I both at the same reaction when we saw her, it was priceless!!

I don't know who Patricia Routledge is though...

Hmmm. This movie is going to be so much more trickier than any of the others. There's really not alot of action, until the very end, and alot of the character developement is Harry being depressed and downtrodden. There are really several different paths the writer and director could take to tell the story. But whatever they choose, they're going to want to make it exciting.

Anyway, here are the major plot points I think they'll include.

Dementor Attack
Grimmauld Place
the Hearing
First day of school,
Dolorous Umbridge and D.A.D.A
the Hogshead DA meeting
the Christmas DA meeting
the attack on Mr.Weasley
St. Mungos
Quidditch final where Ron saves the day
Vision of Sirius
Somesort of fight with Malfoy and Umbridge, resulting in an escape into the forest where they find thestrals
Department of Mysteries
Ron getting attacked by the brain
battle and mayhem (cause face it, that's why people watch movies)
Sirius's death
wrap up with Dumbledore
Hmmm... I seem to have cut Luna Lovegood. Well, I think it's safe to say that unless she and Harry end up having a thing together, they could easily give her lines to someone else and chop her completely. Ginny maybe.

I also cut Grawp, but then I don't see giants playing too much of a role in the books, but they'll probably find a way to fit him in somehow. Probably during the Quidditch final. Also Umbridge catching the DA, and ousting Dumbledore. Not really that important to movieland, as Dumbledore gets his spot back in the end, so what's the point in kicking him out if he's just going to get it back anyway?

I think they could easily fit all of those points into the story, and still have plenty of space left for filler. Hopefully they could include Fred and George's antics somehow, as that was the happiest part of the book.

Oh wow... that's really hard to say, isn't it?

Looking at your list, Long Live the Weasel King! (that's long... ), those who haven't read the book (like my sister) would be leaving the cinema with a rather expression on their face. Or green from sickness... I'd better be prepared...

It's really packed to include all that into what... 2 1/2 hours movie?

Grawp may not play much role in OotP but JKR said he'd have more importance in HBP. Dunno... it's her call I guess...

If I were her, I would be worried at least seeing how the movie-makers tearing my baby apart... leaving things out, changing other things... swapping lines with other character... it's a tough choice...

Is there any chance they split it into two, you think?

I really don't think it's possible to make this movie without severly dissapointing the fans. Yes, I know that there have been fans who have been dissapointed with the movies since book 1. But honestly, they've included most of the stuff till now. I mean, it was watchable.

If it was up to me, I would make OotP two movies. I would have made GoF two movies. Well, actually I wouldn't have started making the movie till all seven books were out, but that's a whole other story.

Anyways, where was I...Patricia Routledge for Umbridge! I would gladly take part in that campaign.

Well, for those of you who don't know who Patricia Routledge is, I've found a couple of photos of her from a series she did called 'Hetty Wainthropp investigates. I tried to choose the ones that reminded me of Umbridge the most...take a look and see what you think...

Patricia Pic 1

Patricia Pic 2

That second one especially....kind of like Harry in detention, don't you think? Just imagine a big pink bow in her hair....

The character is a bit more Mrs Bucket-like though....

Mrs Bucket

You've really got to see the series to appreciate the similarity really....

And zyra, nah...I reckon there's as much chance of WB making two movies as there is of Liz Hurley convincing me that she can act.

[FONT=Courier]Sorry but I don't think that she looks like I thought Umbridge would look like. Close though. Alot closer to the book desc. then I thought Lupin was. She would do but I think there is something missing.[/FONT]

not as frog like (I don't have my copy with me, but I think she was described like a frog or similar at some point). Maybe makeup would make that alteration

somebody mentioned this before, but im really excited to see snapes worse memory. i dont know why, but i've always had a thing for the marauders. their all my favorite characters other then the trio. and i really cant wait to see who they've cast as the young james, sirius, lupin, snape and lily. thats one of my favorite parts of the book along with the weasley twins exit and the very end (i always love the climax of books) i really hope they do a good job on those scenes. and they better make sirius' death perfect!

It's far more than just her looks...I mean, she's a bit prettier than I imagine Umbridge to be, but as I said up there, I think you really have to see her playing Mrs Bucket to appreciate the parallels. I don't think that the casting people look at actors based solely on looks....there's far more to it than that.

But anyway, this is in danger of becoming an Umbridge thread, so I'm going to cease and desist now....

But yeah, I'm looking forward to Snape's Worst Memory too...if they don't do justice to that, I might very well leap from my seat in the cinema, clamber right to the back of the theatre and throttle the projectionist....

"Hello, this is Mrs. Bucket. B-U-C-K-E-T. No, it's Bucket! It's my sister, Violet! She's the one with the Sauna, Mercedes, and room for a pony! ... Now Richard, I will not have you talking that way about my fine china with the hand-painted periwinkles."

I never even considered Patricia Routledge as Professor Umbridge! That is an ingenious idea. I just wish I could picture her as a more evil character, rather than Hyacinth Bucket. She is a very talented actress, though, and could easily fit the bill. Ah, poor Richard, he puts up with so much.

Ah, but you have to clarify that its pronounced 'Bouquet'.... **giggles** Great show, ain't it? I think the one where she advertised to be providing a 'Social Advisory Service' but ended up as the stripper in a batchelor party had to be the all time classic moment...or possibly trying to advise those girls how to sing in 'The Boyfriend' **chuckles** Yes indeedy...poor old Richard. I think Onslow needs to take him out a bit more often...

So, Ian, are you a Brit too?

Hmm. I was under the impression that most people in England hated that British show! I went to England a few months ago and mention how I loved Keeping up Appearances and she just made this horrible face and said, "That show is horrible!" and there seemed to be much agreement. I was so shocked because I love that show!

Ahh, and Richard. I feel so sorry for him!

I wonder how important Snape's Worst Memory is though. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see it, but what are the chances of it being included? I haven't read the book recently, but I think it was more of a mini sub-plot.

Anyone who has nothing else to do, and keeping Keeping up Appearances is on the box, will happily sit there and watch it. Remembering vividly what it feels like to know someone like Mrs Bucket.

Ooh, I've got another idea....Kristen Scott Thomas for Bella. I reckon she could do a very good job too....

The thing is that Four Weddings and a Funeral is on right now and as I was watching it, I was casting about for possible actors for OotP (I know...sad, isn't it? Well, I am obsessed, and I'm going out tomorrow night so I don't feel soooo bad.. ) and I really could see her doing Bella.

I also thought I'd found *the* absolutely perfect Tonks in Charlotte Coleman (she played Scarlet, Hugh Grant's sister) but when I checked her out on the IMDB I was really sad to see that she died in 2001....she was only 36 too.... I kind of lost the heart to look after that....

Someone mentioned Anna Chancelor for Bellatrix Lestrange. I think she's a wonderful actress and she'd do evil well.

I thought of Minnie Dirver for Tonks. They would probably have to get a few actresses to play Tonks since she can change appearances.

I like Patricia Routledge for Umbridge. I didn't think of her. I thought of Allison Steadman who is a very good actress. She may not look the part, but make-up could probably help.

Hopefully the new director will be a Harry Potter fan and not want to chop up this book. This is one of those things where, if you cut a character/scene, there are going to be other scenes that you will have to cut as well. Take Figg for example. If you cut her out, then the trial scene is going to completely change. That would be wrong.

All I can say is that Kill Bill was split, they were both great and they both did really well. People were so anxious to see the second part after the first one came out.

The first two movies were OK when compared to the books, I think the third movie was a dissaster. So many things were left out. Harry never got his permission slip to go to Hogsmead, Ron never got Pig, and what was thing about Harry getting his broom at the end of the movie when he was supose to get it in the middle so it can be inspected. I mean the whole thing was wrong. Things added in, things left out, things moved around to wrong places, even the sets themselves sucked. How did Hagrids hut, (which is supose to be across the grounds) move to down a mountain. And what is up with the swinging pendullum, I don't remember anything like that in the books.
Now they have aready mentioned about a James Bond like broom chase down the Themes and around other London monuments for the OotP they are just waiting for city approval. Is this director going to mess up the fifth movie, like the idiot who did the third? I know it is way to early to even speculate but I wish directors would understand and get it into their thick heads that there are alot of fans out there who know these books by heart and look forward to seeing them interpreted into movie form and not butchered.

well thats why its an ADAPTION...they arent using the book itself as a script..they needed to rewrite the novel into a form that could be fit into under like 3 hours and 30 minutes...so what if things were out of place..they still happened..we know they did so whats the big deal..if you guys get upset about the little details other than the big picture (meeting lupin...learning who scabbers is..knowing Sirius is innocent..saving buckbeak...learning to do a patronus) i mean ok they didnt show harry getting the permission slip signed but im sure it happened! and maybe they will incorperate Pig into the next book just by saying he was sent there over the summer...you might as well not even see the 5th book if your going to nit-pick it

Umm guys, this thread is for discussing what scenes and stuff from OotP would be considered for the movie version. Check out the first post.

Hope that clears things up!!

in my opinion, the followings are really likely to be cut:

* OWLs, for sure
* Hermione still in conntact with Krum
* Weasley is our King
* Percy and his behaviour
* Kreacher
* Mundungus and other members of the Order ( i doubt that Bill and Charlie will be there )
* Umbridge's behavour towards the other teachers: Trelawney, Hagrid...
* SPEW
* Grawp
* Fred and George's departure

scenes that WONT be cut (i hope so):
* Dudley and the Dementors
* the trial ( but perhaps without Mrs. Figg )
* Lupin, Tonks, Moody rescuing Harry from the Dursleys
* Grimmaud Place (im dying to see the arguing scene with Sirius and Molly)
* Perfects / meeting Luna at Hogwarts Express
* conflicts between Harry and Umbridge
* Occlumency with Snape
* DA
* Snape's worst memories...young James, Lupin, Sirius
* of course Arthur's attack and St, Mungos (with or without Neville's parents)
* and finally, the battle in the Ministry and Sirius' death

I think it is a possibility that they will split it into two so they can stay truer to the book.

So the new question is.. Is that a good thing?


I don't know wheather they will or not!
I think as much as they can stay true to the books the better! But i dont know if people will be botherd enough to go and see two films!?

How long do you think that it will go for?

I think it should be a moderately 'big muma' movie. It should be lengthy yet detailed. Detailed yet captivating. Captivating yet humorous. Humorous yet intelligent. It's going to take alot of planning to keep it fast paced. You should be on the edge of your seat all the way through. You will have aching legs from half standing up for the duration!

Will they split it into two movies?

No. One- this would largely confuse everyone. It would lose the definition of 'movie' and would be more like a lengthy documentary. It does not need to be split again. A story has a beginning, middle and end. That is how JK wrote it, that's the way it should be told. If JK wanted two endings in it, she would have split it into two books.

What will be left out?

I have a feeling that much of the visits to Grimmauld place will be left out, or vice versa. I doubt that there will be a good sense of communication, and I am curious to see if Yates can grasp Sirius' character and put it at the heart of the story. I am dreading the cheesy Hollywood approach to the storyline which is so common nowadays.

Will some characters be forgotten?

Yes. In my opinion, Kreacher will vanish from the script. The trouble with directing films, is that unless you have researched, read and re-read your subject, you judge by the script. I think the 'team' will fail to realise Kreacher's importance and will classify him as a 'peeves-like' symbol. I have nothing against the directors, producers etc.. In fact, I am throgouhly backing them all the way. I just hope they do more research and homework...

How will the death of Sirius be dealt with?

I am sure Yates will do it wonderfully. Just as long as:

1. There is not a 'phase' where everyone looks like they are about to die... how ironic
2. Sirius does not vanish too quickly.
3. There are no 'soppy' moments. Harry is a teenager now, and that is how he should take it. He should be angry, not sad. Therefore..no sulking. Kicking, yelling shouting physical emotion yes. But no sulking...

I think it is a possibility that they will split it into two so they can stay truer to the book.So the new question is.. Is that a good thing?

Sound as your idea is, I still doubt that they will split it. It's just going to take one lengthy script editing session. Several geniuses, Yates and Heyman. And away we go... sit tight....

its probably not splitting in too two movies, though i do think it iwll be long (i think it should be AT LEAST, 3 hours)
But i kind of hope they at least keep the part where Sirius starts singing christmas carols around Grimmauld Place

But no idea what they will be cutting ect.