Hi Padfoots Companion

Huh? What do you mean Padfoots Companion? I never made any wallpapers on this thread however I have posted some on S.P.E.L.L. So did you mean Seriouslysirius? He posted a wallpaper a further up the page I do plan to make some Dumbledore wallpapers soon though

Sorry about that - i guess i scrolled and matched the wrong name to the post... I was mainly going by memory also on the wallpapers... I did see the ones in S.P.E.L.L. too. Anyways, you all have talent I wish I had - I wouldn't know where to start. Sorry again about the confusion.

~Padfoots

That's a good point Padfootscompainion..

You do read the books well.

I plan to make some more Dumbledore wallpapers. Soonish!

Clara when you come on what do you think of my wallpaper??

And question..

If Dumbledore got a chance to go back in time and un do one hing what do you think it would be and why??

I'm glad you liked them Padfoots Companion


Wow! A talent. . .I've only just started Thanks again Padfoots Companion


Cool Dan! Me too


An interesting question but I'm not sure one can fully answer when one does not know everything about our dear beloved departed Dumbledore. However I personally think that Albus Dumbledore was so wise, smart and powerful that he lived life the way he wanted and his life ended the way he perharps wanted to. But if for some reason Dumbledore did want to travel back in time and correct or just re-live one moment in his life then I think it would surely be a memory unknown to us. Dumbledore's earlier life is as blank as a fresh page in a excerise book, we know nothing of what happened so maybe he wishes to go back in time to re-vist a old friend or perhaps a wife. Well we never know he could have been married and losty her in battle but that is just one idea of what we don't know about Albus Dumbledore.

Well to answer my question..

If Dumbledore got a chance to go back in time and do one hing what do you think it would be and why??


I think it would be to go back and have deal with Tom/ Voldermort to help Harry.

It would help matters immensly but like Lauren i agree that we don't know enough of Albus to get a better understanding of his life.

Padfoots Companion - bless ya!! and thanks for the compliments. really.... we are not talented... the programs we use are the basics. erm we didn't know where to start really but wejust right hand clicked on a picture, clicked on open with and tested the different programs and just randomly played around with it. luck i guess.


cool question. i realy agree with my sister! and well we didn't know that much about him and we never have but i think he would either go back and correct a wrong he did. or ... he would go back to some moment in time to get more information that would help understand Voldermort's Hurocruzes... (sp)
who knows...

Yes the horcruxes he would want to know loads more about i'm sure.

So fans of Dumbledore i asked this question ages ago but i was wondering if anybodys views may have changed.

Do you think Dumbledore will come back alive in book 7??

I really don't know what to think??

I'm not sure, i think we really need to know more about why he trusted Snape, that could be a big issue. But, i think it would probably be to tell harry everything from the start, once it became evident that even if Harry couldn't handle everything, he would still try, about halfway through book one. If Dumbledore had been honest with Harry, instead of trying to protect him, things may have been very different. Also, still on the path of telling Harry the truth, he should have been honest about why Harry was learning occlumecy. If Harry had understood, and learnt he may have been able to block out the Dark Lord, and then maybe Sirius would still be alive.


short answer- no. I think that the only way that he will be alive in DH, is if he never died. Maybe if he was a phoenix or had some link to the phoenix that allowed him to be reborn, or if he didn't actually die on the astronomy tower. Other than that, i just think he will be in portraits, or a ghost or some other not-quite-alive form. I think it would be just to cliché for DD to come back.Although...maybe in a last battle he could help, he will never be truely back again. I won't go as far as calling JK a genius, but she certainly doesn't go for the really obvious clichés....

Seriouslysirius, the wallpaper was good, the words and picture, the scene that they both create, they go together well.

and...come on guys, the posts are getting a little short, not nagging or pseudo mod-ing, heavens no... , but try and put a little more into them, you all have such good ideas, you might as well elaborate on them.
Tomorrow i should have a whole bunch of questions for you all. I wrote them all down and i can pick some at random...jeez i need a life...anyway... that should keep us all occupied for a while....'till then...

Clara}~

OK, this has little to do with DD, but i saw them interviewing the guy that produced Equus, and it started..oh eight minutes ago, it sounds really good!!

If Dumbledore got a chance to go back in time and do one hing what do you think it would be and why??

Maybe he would go back and warn the Potters to be careful about who they choose as a Safe-Keeper, that their choice would not be a wise one. He may also learn more about the horcruxes while Harry is growing up, as I can see that even if LV didn't succeed in finding the Potters, LV would still make Harry out to be his 'rival' and thus still be after Harry.

Of course we don't really want to change that b/c then we wouldn't of had the chance to meet with Albus Dumbledore...

Clara i guess you have a point there! i know my posts can be a bit short .... normally that's because i can't think how to word what i want to say properly!

bless!! wooooo more questions!!

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Do you think Dumbledore will come back alive in book 7?

erm... no. i would be too... lotr. j.k already has the giant spider it would be too cliché. well i think the only way he would come back is through portraits... i mean he's portrait would move, talk, interact etc and i do not think he willl come back as a ghost at all. i just can't see that happening.


back to this for a moment... i don't think he would go back and change the Potters choice on their secret keeper at all. some things no matter how dark or sad are best not to be changed unless you know what the outcome would be. Harry was shaped by the Dursley's if you like.... erm god that won't make any sense. i guess what i want and mean to say is this: if his parents were alive then how Harry would act now would change. oh i don't know how to say this ( surprise there) okay i can sum it up.... our histories are what define us...
if that makes any sense to any of you....

Ok i will tey to make my posts longer but it is really hard half of you talk so much i don't inderstand you but that's not a kick at you. It's a good habit your all a bit like little Dumbledores.

To answer my question.

Do you think Dumbledore will come back alive in book 7?

No i don't i just think after a dramatic effect like that. J.K can't just say oh i know i was only playing about Dumbledore was n't really killed. Though i'm sure she will have killed off Dumbledore for a purpose that will lead into a chain of events tht will cause more advents. Thats what Dumbledore would want so his death can somehow lead to helping Harry.

Well that's what i think.

Is this post big enough??

hehe yes Dan that post is fine Jade...i know what you mean about not being able to word it..but it does make sense.
If harry hadn't of had to be an independent person as a child, he would not be able to handle half the things he did. He would have grown up differently, and nobody knows if it would have been for the better.
I guess thats the thing with changing the past. it doesn't always turn out the way you want it to.

so...drumroll...lets go ahead to the questions...
and the ones i pick at random are...(oh god im sad )

-One thing you would change about his personality/character (NOT and i repeat NOT the actor that played him. Just the actual character.

-His memory to conjure a patronus/his happiest memory

-Did he really belong in Griffindor?(he is brave, but he seems more loyal and intelligent, maybe ravenclaw?)

and you can all get along with those...i may not be on much, im strugglingwith a lot of work at the moment, as well as coursework and revision...well i cant be on as much as i would like.

Clara}~

I am not sure what I would change about his character. I really like him. I guess I would like for him to of put a little bit more trust in Harry and told him more about what was going on in regards to Harry's situation.



OOOOh a hard one. Really wanting to make our brains work today huh His happiest memory, the day he was accepted into Hogwarts (some 700 years ago ). Not really to sure on this one - I will leave this as my answer for now and think some more on it and reply back if I find another possibility...



Maybe the hat wanted to put him in Ravenclaw, but he preferred to be in Gryffindor... it does tend to 'listen' to what your heart/mind desires....



I will also try my best to make longer posts. Alot of the time it is hard for me to put into words what I am thinking so I just type... Thanks for the questions.

One thing you would change about his personality/character (NOT and i repeat NOT the actor that played him. Just the actual character.

I don't think i would change his personality really Dumbledore is Dumbledore and i wouldn't want to change his type of character. Thoguh like we have said in the past Dumbledore thing we don't know if Dumbledore was just so truting and mistaken or he was playing along with Snape. So i would make him stronger if he wasn't aware of Sanapes betryal. So he could have fought them off.

-His memory to conjure a patronus/his happiest memory

Errrm I'm not sure because there is so much of him we don't understand i am sorry but i really don't know.

-Did he really belong in Griffindor?(he is brave, but he seems more loyal and intelligent, maybe ravenclaw?)


Oh i can answer this. I think as he was like Hermione the hat suggested her to go in Ravencalw but she asked for Gryfindor. So i think that's what Dumbledore said.

Like Dumbledore said.. " It is not our abilites, it is our choices."

Good questions Clara.

Yeah. . .more questions

Do you think Dumbledore will come back alive in book 7??
I personally think that Dumbledore will not (and never) come back to life in the next book. My main reason for this is that J.K said it herself that Dumbledore IS dead and here is the proof below when someone asked her about deaths in the book:
‘You shouldn't expect Dumbledore to pull a Gandalf. I need to be more explicit: Dumbledore is definitely dead. I know there's an entire site out there called DumbledoreIsNotDead.com, and I'm sorry they're not going to like this answer.’ AUGUST 2, 2006 at 10:59 PM at the Radio City Music Hall, New York City
So my answer is no because the author of the book has said so herself that Dumbledore is dead. However I do think that perhaps he returns in a portrait in the headmaster’s office but that is all.

One thing you would change about his personality/character
If I could change anything (but I know I wouldn’t change him ) well then I would perhaps change his vulnerability of love. What I mean by this is that Dumbledore is clearly a character who loves (cares etc) easily which is a weakness in the world of evil because evil itself would use that against him or perhaps use it against the people who care for Dumbledore. I would not completely get rid of his easy ability to love/care for someone because that is one of the main qualities that Dumbledore has so I would never get rid of it completely. I would simply change the size of his ability to love/care so then it is not used so much against him or against others.

His memory to conjure a patronus/his happiest memory
Now this is a question/ thought that has really made me think however I can not come up with a good enough answer to this question. It’s like what I said before about the question ‘If Dumbledore got a chance to go back in time and do one thing what do you think it would be and why??’


Did he really belong in Griffindor?
Although he is loyal and intelligent and that may suit him into Ravenclaw I truly believe that Dumbledore belongs in Griffindor. I have no certain reasons it is just what I truly believe that he does belong there.

Is this post long enough? Only joking

aww...im never going to live the nagging down, am i?

ok ill begin to answer my questions...but I may have to disappear..and well..sleep..

One thing you would change about his personality/character
right...so i think i would agree about his not trusting Harry enough. Not that i think Harry is a big hero that can handle anything, in fact, the opposite, Harry would have been spared a lot of pain if he had understood things more, and so would a lot of other people.
The main thing i would change though, is how Dumbledore views himself, though this i more in reference to the last few books, and not the first. The constant battle is really taking a toll on him here, and he doesnt for one second think about himself above others. It is not that i would change this, just that i would make him able to take a step back and look at himself, and maybe take a bit more care of himself, mentally and emotionally, as well as physically.

His memory to conjure a patronus/his happiest memory
I would agree that being accepted into Hogwarts would be a happy memory, but maybe not his happiest. Harry had no parents and hishappy memory is of being happy with parents. I think that Dumbledore wanted to prove himself, prove that he could be something. So, I think his happiest memory may have been graduating from Hogwarts. Instead of being sad to leave, i can see him being opptomistic about the future, and his mature-beyond-his-years brain could finally prove itself in the real world. He must have known there was a future for him wherever he went, and he was finally getting a chance to explore it independently.

oh...got to go.. ill answer the other tomorrow...if i get the chance...

Clara}~

i don't believe it!! i was in the middle of posting this post and then the net window was taken over.... so not funny because no i have to remeber what i put and write it all again!!

One thing you would change about his personality/character
i would have liked him to have trusted in Harry more. prehaps if he had trusted him when he was younger they would have began unravaling Voldermort's secrets earlier. i can't think of anything else that i would change.

His memory to conjure a patronus/his happiest memory
well this one is tricky...we don't know that much about his life so i have a few ideas but really... i have no idea!
1. When he first arrived at Hogwarts
2. When he became Headmaster
3. When he realised Harry Potter lived through Voldermort coming into to the Potter's house
4. A childhood memory
seriously.... no idea!

Did he really belong in Griffindor?
well i can see why some people are thinking Ravenclaw... i personally think he was in...
erm i don't know. now i'm thinking about it Ravenclaw is a possibility... he is very smart.
nah... he think he was in Griffindor as he said that thing about setting the curtains on fire ...then again... that wasn't in the book was it?
oh i really don't know now! i'm going to have to think about this one!

Can i just ask In HBP the chapter The White Tomb.

Do you remember when the Tomb was surronded in white flame. Harry saw a phoniex ride jofully into the blue??

I think this maybe on another thread so i will keep it short, but i was wondering if this could mean something signifigant. Like Dumbledores animagus is a phoniex or something of that sort.

I was just wondering.

Well with us knowing that DD is **sobs** dead, maybe Fawkes will help out Harry again. Harry is loyal to DD and has shown this threw and threw. So maybe one of the ways that DD helps in the 7th book is by ways of Fawkes, the others being ways of the portraits. We know that he is already in the headmasters' room, as stated somewhere in the end of HBP (I think I read this anyways, maybe more along the lines of hoping this way) that his portrait has taken place of Dippot (the one before him)...

I guess that is what I am trying to say, in my head it seems to make sense but when I read it, it's different albeit still making sense to me.

~Padfoots

I have not considered what Dumbledore's happiest memories are. I would bet that two of them are the day Harry faced Voldemort in PS/SS and the day Harry told him he was "Dumbledore's man, through and through." That must have touched him deeply.

Sorry to interrupt your conversation. Don't mind me.

Hi. I want to join the WAW. The thign I like most about DD is that he always stays calm, even when he's about to die. I admire that.

My favorite scene with DD is when Harry is strutting around his office destroying everything in his path and DD just stays calm and lets him do it.

One thing I would change about his personality is the same thing that I admire about him. I wish he'd get mad more often. The only time he really gets mad is when the demetors come intot he school. Maybe if he had a temper, he wouldn't have died.

I think he really belongs in Gryyfindor. Yes, he's smart, but he's SO brave. He doesn't fear much at all. And me being sorted into ravenclaw, I'm not brave at all!

Ok so I thought some more on this and I want to add to it....

I know I read this before and I have to agree with After the Burial - the day that HP said that he was Dumblebore's man through and through. It could also be the day that he realised that Harry started the DA realising that Harry puts alot of faith and trust in DD - that would make me really happy...

Oh and ps - Welcome to DobyLuvr831.

I don't think Dumbledore has had too many moments of sheer happiness since Harry's first year. At the end of Chamber, he was starting to realize about the horcruxes. That would not make him happy. In Prisoner of Azkaban, he would have been happy for Harry, but not blissful. He could not be happy when Voldemort returned and Cedric died (or during the entire TriWizard Tournament). He must have been worried during Voldemort's year in hiding. Then comes the strolls down memory lane. Harry's confession and when he brought the memory must have been truly wonderful for Dumbledore.

Hello all, sorry to interupt but i to would like to join W.A.W. This is exactly the type of thing that i was looking for when i joined this website, and i'm really happy to find it. Dumbledore is definitely my favorite character in the books. I love the way he is almost always calm and tranquil. Also whenever he is around, you seem to get the feeling that he is under control and he knows what he is doing.

Well I just wanted to say that i would be glad to join this club and look forward to posting here in the future!

Clara!! more people on the thread hi everyone!!


i think the same as Padfoots Companion. i think it....

not much else to say about that one!

After the Burial

that was just the best idea ever! so know i think i agree with you After the Burial!!

witherwings09 and DobbyLuvr831... i am sure Clara will be happy to see some new blodd on the thread!! welcome!

I remember that Now bear that in mind because I have some information about Fawkes that I found. . .
Peter Humphreys for BBC Newsround. - Who did Fawkes previously belong to and will he play a vital role in the next book?
JK Rowling: I am not going to answer about the role in the next books, which probably gives you a big clue, and he has never been owned by anyone but Dumbledore. You will notice that when Harry goes back in the Pensieve in this book, Fawkes is never there, and no, I am sorry, not in this book, I take that back. When Harry has previously seen the study with a different headmaster he saw it with Dippet and Fawkes was not there then. Fawkes is Dumbledore's possession, not a Hogwarts.
So from this information we know that Fawkes DID NOT belong to Godric Grifffindor because it has only ever been owned by Dumbledore. Also from this information it is likely that Fawkes is going to play an important part in the last book.

Welcome DobbyLuvr831 and witherwings09:D

First of hi DobbyLuvr831 and witherwings09:D.

Ok nice information Lauren that helps a lot so Godric did not own Fawkes so i wonder where Dumbledore got Fawkes maybe he rescuded him.

It would have to be a very enchanted place as Fwakes is a enchanted phionex so...


Well Fwakes has a huge purpose because of his tail feathers in Riddles and Harrys wand. Maybe that will play a part in some way.

I am sure we will see Fawkes again he is one of the bits of Dumbledore left.

I don't suppose well it's just an idea..

Do you think Fawkes could be a horcrux??

wow cool information sister!!
so Fawkes did not belong to Godric so erm yeah ... prehaps Dumbledore saved him or fawkes just came to him wounded so yeah ... Dumbledore saved Fawkes! or something....


huh i remember fawkes' feather being in Harry's wand but not Voldermort's... but as Fawkes' feather is in Harry's wand i shall agree with my cousin. i think that fawkes will be play a grand role in the next book!


erm no... aren't horcruxes meant to have a connection to the person.... what does Fawkes have to do with Voldermort? or am i just getting confused?

Where would one purchase Fawkes.... I don't recall ny mention of pheonixs 'for sale' in any of the books that address the fact there are pet stores in the wizarding world...

as far as Fawkes being a horcrux - I don't think so. I don't see any connection that Fawkes would have with LV, and as someone stated before the idea of horcruxes was not appealing to DD.

I do believe that Fawkes will have a big part in the last book, I mean I know that he's served a purpose in CoS when he healed Harry, and then again in GoF when he healed Harry's wound from where he was cut and then in OOTP when he warned DD about Umbridge aware that students were out of bed... so yes I can see him being useful in the last book also.

Maybe Godric owned one of Fawkes parents.... phoenix's are born somehow aren't they...

Just a thought.

No i didn't think Fawkes was a horcrux either but it was a thought that i didn't want to dismiis. I mean Fwakes is so pure and good like Dumbledore he couldn't possibly be a horcrux.



That's possibly i don't think it has said that Phoniex dont get born. If you understand me so i think that is a possibility. Then again it all depends on how old Fawkes is.

I wonder how old Dumbledore was when he got Fawkes it had to be during the years of him coming heafmaster i think.

This topic has always been one that befuddles me( The life of phoenixes, that is). I mean phoenixes never really die, do they? They just burst into flames, and start anew from the ashes. Apparently, they are even insusceptible to the killing curse. (OoTP, ch. 36 when Fawkes swallowed the curse intended for Dumbledore). This just caused Fawkes to burn to ashes, then being reborn. Also, in book 2, Fawkes doesn't die when he looks into the basilisk's eyes.

Anyway, I was just wondering what you guys thought about this.

Yeah Phoniexs don't die hey i have an idea. If phoniexs don't die maybe Dumbledore doesn't die. Okay yeah i know far fetvhed theroy but J.K could have thought about it . What do you think??

I will make next post longer. Sorry i couldn't think of much else.

Firsly...Welcome to all newcomers...!!

secondly...
no, phoenixes dont seem to die. When people speak of imortality, they are either speaking of an unending life- as in they will not die by natural means, or complete immortality, where nothing can kill them. I previously thought that phoenixes were the first type, with the cycle of being reborn, but this would only be true if the phoenix could not chose when to be reborn....If they could, then they could be truely immortal... that is, if you can call dying and being reborn being immortal, the phoenix does technically die. i think i put in a link to this site before, but here it is again.

thirdly...
ok, so i still say that i dont think that DD actually owns Fawkes, so stand by my thoughts that he could have been a companion to Godric...
but, the way those words are phrased do strongly suggest that Fawkes is DD, in some form or other, and DD could be dead, as in the person is dead, but the mind lives on as a phoenix, he could even just live under a different name and DD could still technically be dead....
But, i think that seems to...obvious, and i have now stopped trying to guess what is going to happen, i can just wait and see instead.


Yes but...He must have had a happy memory before Harry was involved, why would something that Harry did nescessariliy be stronger? I see his happy memory being private, something that he can be happy about, for himself. He spends so much time doing things for other people, i can see his happiest moment being when he could do or be happy for himself, and not have to worry about everybody else. Every moment that he felt happy because of harry must be layered with feelings of anxiety and concern....

another question...i may not have a chance to post one for a while...so make the most of it

Do you think Dumbledore has a hidden side to his personality, and what is this hidden side like?
(This question is up for your own interpretation- just because somebody answers it in one way...doesnt mean everyone has to...

Clara}~

Well, we've never really seen any of Dumbledore's really personal life, only the part of his life that he spends with Harry, or at the school. So if he did have a moment or two of total and complete bliss, it's likely that we didn't see it. Dumbledore is quite a cheery person, so it's a little hard for me to imagine him going five years without happiness. I'm sure that whenever Harry successfully evaded Voldemort that Dumbledore was consumed with immense pride in Harry and that would make anyone happy.


Mmmm, interesting question. I think it's kind of hard to imagine Dumbledore any other way than the riddle-speaking, knowledgeable, and wise character we've all come to love. I think that he probably has an angry side, way, way, down somewhere in his soul. He is human when it comes down to it and humans feel anger and hatred and pain. I can't see anyone not getting mad at Voldemort after what he did to Harry on countless occasions. Dumbledore has to mad at that on a more personal level. Plus, he has to be angry at himself for letting James and Lily die when he told them he would protect them. He doesn't seem to have a good way to release that sheer emotion and I'm sure, would he not been killed off, he could have used all the power that raw emotion carries to his advantage. I'm sure he would know how to control himself when he's to overcome with hatred and pain because he is very wise and he knows how life works.

Do you think Dumbledore has a hidden side to his personality, and what is this hidden side like?


OOOh so hard really hard ok.

Well there is alot about Dumbledore we don't know so i am assuming yes there are some hidden personallitys. For example he might be a lot weaker that he shows to be. This is so hard..

He might secretly hate a few people though he doesn't show it. I'm sorry this is os hard i will have to think about it more. Sorry.

This one is going to be short and sweet as I am at work, and needless to say should be working but before I came to work this afternoon, I read some more of OOTP - on the last chapter now and even though I know how it ends I am still anxious of the ending... anyways to my point..

We know that all pure blood wizarding families are related right - well James Potter is from Pure Blood so could DD and HP be related? DD has said (not exact wording) that he 'loves' Harry like no other pupil he has ever encountered, when I get home I will reread the part I am thinking of and add it to this post.

It was just a thought to ponder....

Till next time.

~Padfoots Companion

I think Dumbledore's hidden side was exposed in Half Blood Prince. We saw Dumbledore as the loner when searching for the horcruxes. For a man who relies so heavily on trust, I find it odd that he did not trust anyone else with the knowledge of the horcruxes.

Ok i have a question..

I know we don't know enough yet but. What do you think was the iron clad reason Dumbledore trusted snape??

Because i am sorry but i really don't think Dumbledore can be fooled by Legimency as Dumbledore says there are blocs to it. Like with Slughorn and the memory.

What do you think???

Sorry i will try to make it longer next time.

catch up time...

phoenixes - this really bugs me! i know its sort-of and endless cycle and that they are reborn from their ashes but it is a good question - where do they come from? oh well onwards...

Do you think Dumbledore has a hidden side to his personality, and what is this hidden side like?
(This question is up for your own interpretation- just because somebody answers it in one way...doesnt mean everyone has to...
well erm ....i am going to probably interpert this differently as Clara said so erm... i think in all honesty that we all have a hidden side to us. we all hide different things away from others; emotions, actions, thoughts and sometimes even what we would really like to say to some people! well in the case of Dumbledore perhaps we saw his hidden side on the tower before Snape killed him. was it really because of the previous events in the cave? or was it that we finally saw a little bit more of Dumbledore... the vunerable old man that he was. yes he was wise, helpful, powerful in so many ways but underneath he would have been as vunerabl (in age sense) as any muggle or wizard. And also we only the know the Dumbledore we think we know. what i mean is we see the kind, caring, powerfull, helpful and wise old soul who appears to be everything we need. but i think underneath that there was an tried, tired and tested man who thought of others before himslef and perhaps did not think pf imself at all. it seemed he was never in his own shoes. never really living his life. what i have said of course is just one idea but then again we don't know much about him at all, do we?

Ok Phoenix's yes a difficult one it raises the question of how can comething be born but never die? Where did it begin?

Sabrina rose snape said:


but Dumbledore hasn't lived forever so there still is a possibility that Godric had Fawkes at some stage, but I do like the idea that once the carer as opposed to owner (as I don’t believe fawkes actually is owned by anyone) dies that some remnant of them is within fawkes and he can possibly pass that knowledge onto the next person. And do you think the carer of fawkes could be chosen by he/she? Kind of like in Eragon where the dragons chose their rider and will wait for thousands of years until the right person comes along? Could fawkes chose who will get him/her next? It could be Harry?

Now onto the other side of Dumbledore, I haven’t read anyone else’s answers because I wanted to give my opinion...
I think he has a great deal of regret in his soul. I feel he does live a happy life, the success of others such as Harry pleases him. He's like an old man who never had any spouses so no grandchildren of his own, so every so often a student comes along who he sees as special and he brings them in as a member of his family but then he’s hurt when he realises he makes a wrong decision towards them, just like any parent. Although the regret that Dumbledore has is possibly higher than a parent who’s child fell over because they didn’t tell them to slow down, Harry’s involves his life.
He’s very much a loner, he’s very isolated and lives to protect others. He has wisdom beyond anyone I know but I think there’s a deep pit of fear in him, fear because of regret of his action. We know he put Harry in great danger and withheld information, he’s only human he makes mistakes, but I think he punishes himself in his mind over these only human errors, he’s not without fault.

So in that respect I don’t think it’s a hidden side but something you can see with a little bit of observation.

Now to a hidden aspect of Dumbledore’s life I can picture him at a little holiday country house surrounded by all fantastic beasts and trees, but still alone. Actually I don’t believe there’s too much of a hidden Dumbledore I think what we see is what he is, you just need to look a little deeper for some things.

He’s like a few people I know, they care so much about others that they often forget to think about themselves, I doubt he sleeps much if at all? He’s almost too caring, you have to pity him some times I think, but he’s highly capable at what he does and well adjusted with who he is. He's pleased to help people, if he can help them he's happy.

And there’s obviously more to his past but there’s always more to people’s past unless you are that person you will never know all of your hidden qualities…

Sorry that ended up being more of a description of his character rather than a hidden side?

I’m soo excited about this club! I finally found a place where I can fit in! DD is my absolute favorite character! I’ll answer your questions gladly!



1.What are your favorite characteristics or Albus?, Why do you like him?
My favorite characteristics of Albus is his knowledge and his kind heart. I love the way that he takes everything and everyone so personal as if the whole school was his life and family.

2.Dumbledore's future, I know this is a hard one, because it is such a big topic, and it is taking place in loads of forums, but if we keep it strictly to him...
What will Dumbledore’s place be in Deathly Hallows?
I think DD will play some kind of role in DH. I still believe that he will help Harry complete his task at hand in some kind of way.

3.Albus and Aberforth, they are brothers, but what is the relationship like between the two?
That’s a tricky one. I don’t really know, but knowing DD it was a kind and loving relationship. That’s just the kind of person he is. (Notice I said IS and not WAS!)


I will definitely be active in this club. I love DD more than Harry. (Sorry Harry!)(I love you too!)

Aww you guys are great! All of your anwers are really good!! Im so proud of you... ok im gushing, don't blame me, blame the 48 hours and no sleep...

anyway..Hello Reecy13! welcome...we are currently talking about..hang on...what are we talking about..o yes, a possible hidden side to dumbledore, and some other questions, oh and the ongoing discussion about phoenixes.

HILLY!!! you came back to us..

right...I dont know if i can quite top everybody else answers...but heres what i think for mt question;


...ok, so i think that one of the main reasons that many people like Dumbledore is because he is so open and inviting in most aspects of his life- that is, he shows people what he is like, tells them what he thinks, and does it in a good way. Because of this, it is often difficult to think of the actual things that he may hide. This is also one of the reasons that the why did DD trust snape question is so difficult to solve- because DD kept very few things hidden.
now, i agree with what Drinotonks said- I think he has a great deal of regret in his soulas well as- the success of others such as Harry pleases himand these two aspects are very important if we are to understand why he is the way he is. Like Hilly said, there is not that much of a hidden side to him, you do just have to look deeper for some things. He obviously feels happy when those that he loves are happy. He shows it in not only the way he reacts- with a small smile or wink, but also in the things that he does. He will do things for other people to make them happy, and in this, he makes himself happy, even if it is subconscious. His regret is also clear, but he feels regret where others may not. He feels regret because he does take it on himself to make everybody happy, even when it is not possible. And when he feels as though he fails, he feels regret, maybe even for trying in the first place, as though it gave false hope.

He is also a loner, for much the same reasons as above. He does feel immense regret of he does something badly, or fails. Because of this he may stay away altogether. Certainly not because he doesn't want to feel that, more because he doesn't want other people to feel bad. He is perpetually selfless.
Ok, so this is turning into a bit of a describe his personality rant...but thats ok. We cant see the hidden side of him if we cant even identify the open side of him!
I thought K.Lupins answer for the hidden side explained very well. We do all have hidden sides to us. Sometimes we want to keep them hidden because they are ours, and are secret, and sometimes we are ashamed of them.

in the case of Dumbledore perhaps we saw his hidden side on the tower before Snape killed him. was it really because of the previous events in the cave? or was it that we finally saw a little bit more of Dumbledore... the vunerable old man that he was
I think DD was ashamed of this side. He spent his whole life helping other people that he could not accept the fact that he was not as strong as he once was. Maybe he failed to even see it. He spent so much time caring for others that he failed to see himself begin to fall.

I think the most hidden- and well hidden- side of DD is greed. Now hang on, before you all attack me. I dont think it is materialistic or really selfish greed. I see him wanting the knowledge that could help him help other, knowledge that would make him satisfied and happy, and knowledge that could make them all a bit more secure. I see him needing to know things. If he doesn't that ignorance would be like showing your back to an ememy. Allowing them a place to hurt you. to creep up on you unawares and gain the advantage, because they see more than you. I can see his need for this knowledge causes him to become extremely stressed, and frustrated.

Now, i dont really think greed is the right word, but it is very difficult to explain. Maybe dependency is the right term. He is dependent on knowing more, maybe not of the minor details, but of the picture as a whole. He is a whole person, whilst others like riddle are detail people. DD did not study all of the details of a picture, but that did not mean he was not aware of them, then imagine if a whole section of that bigger picture was blurred, or not there at all. That must have been immensly frustrating, to know that something is going on but he couldn't know or understand what that was.

This is also shown that night on the astronomy tower personly i believe that he knew what was going on with Snape, and he was pleading with Snape not to hesitate, and to kill DD before anything went wrong. But, before then. I cant remember the exact words, but DD was terrified when he saw the dark mark over the school. He had left the school to do something important, yet had no idea what was happening there, and no way of finding out. He didn't know if his students were hurt, or dead, and he did not know if the Death Eaters were there for him, or for Harry, or for all of them. He did not know how many there were, or how powerful they were. For all he knew, the Dark Lord may have been there himself. he did not know. At this most cruicial time, when he was weak and they were all vunerable, and he did not know. DD could not 'work properly' if he didn't know all of the facts. he needed to know. That is how we see him, as somebody who knows what is going on, without that he is incomplete.And that was his dependency. His dependency on knowledge.
And really, its a sensible dependency to have.
Drinotonks-


I guess this sums up DDs atitude towards himself. He was so wrapped up in saving everyone else, that he never had time to really search himself and help himself. Its sad, really...

And heres where i contradict myself. Another *possible* hidden side is a side of complete understanding. It goes both ways. Again, he may not have known the detail, but he may have seen everything clearly, a sense of elightenment, if you will. It seems the opposite of my previous answer, and you may ask how two opposites can be experienced by the same person. I dont just think it could be one or the other, i think DD could have had both hidden sides...
When he was less experienced, he may of still been dependant on this knowledge. But, there may have been a time when he saw what he was doing, seeing that he was searching for the impossible, and understood himself. This may have been that night on the A. Tower, or it may have been a few months before, or years, or decades, it may have even been a century ago. But one day, he could have grown to understand himself. To know every fibre of his being, and embrace that as what he was. He may have learnt to nurture what was in front of him, and be thankfull, but not blissfully ignorant. He may have known to search for the truth, but not become absorbed by it. He may have reached his equilibrium. We may never know...

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ok, i reached a point where i was drawing so many highly unlikely conclusions that i decided i wouldn't try and work this one out any more. I dont think we are going to guess. even if we did, we wouldn't know we were right until DH came out, and we may dismiss it before then. If we were sure we were right...well that may just spoil the book then...So you wont get much out of me..Sorry! anyway...ive rambled on enough about deep and meaningful things above... but yes, i do agree that DD wouldn't be fooled by legimency. Even if he was the lesser wizard, i dont think he would instantly trust somebody that is an acomplished legilmens. It is just too irrational.


grrr...please visit link in 2 previous posts ...NO! Im only joking, seriously!!! I dont even know if it says it in there...
I think the thing is, is that i dont think that Phoenixes have baby phoenixes. I know, everything needs to reproduce, but i just dont think that they do. In fact, legend says that there is only one phoenix. I know DD says Phoenixes were rare, but i dont think he stresses how rare. I mean, think about it, if there was something that could be born and not die, there would be more phoenixes than people. even if it only started with two phoenixes, there would be loads. If they had babies, and none of the babies died...
I Think that Phoenixes are true beings of magic as in they were/it was (depending on whether fawkes is unique or not) born of magic, and that is why it is so resiliant to everything, eg the basilisks eyes etc. They dont die and stay dead, they die and come back, just as magic does, in the form of a new witch or wizard. Phoenixes are undying, just as magic is. They are eternal.

And last note, i would like to award Hilly, Drinotonks and Jade 5 sherbet lemons each for there brilliant (and more to the point than mine ) answers to DDs personality question. Well Done!!! oh and an extra one for jade because i was sarcastic...(and she gave me fourty )

adieu!

Clara}~
xxx xxx

EDIT:OH!!! i also forgot to announce...
February's Dumbledore-ette of the month is...
K.LUPIN_WEREWOLF
With a huge 37!!
second place was seriouslysirius, with 28!! well done guys!!

Please note: this was before todays changes. On the members list, i will have a running total on the left, and this months total on the right, so that we dont have the same winner every month. Here is an example...:
Mr Smith (25) (7)
see? and the person with the most on the right wins the monthly, and the person who wins on the left gets a special congratulations. The left will go up as more points are awarded on the right. does that make sense?
K.Lupin, you have the honour of adding something to your name eg: february Dumbledore-ette of the month, or any variation here of. (if you want to...)

ok, im really going to go now...

EDIT EDIT: or not. I forgot to add, a few pages back somebody said:
i remember fawkes' feather being in Harry's wand but not Voldermort's... but as Fawkes' feather is in Harry's wand i shall agree with my cousin. i think that fawkes will be play a grand role in the next book!

i just wanted to say- that is what caused the prio incuntatum or however you say it, the two wands, also remember what olivander said in the wand shop? when its brother gave you that scar...oOooOOooo
ok, going now..

first of all i am enjoying the answers to - Do you think Dumbledore has a hidden side to his personality, and what is this hidden side like? it's really intresting!!

aww thanks Clara! sorry i go all giddy when someone agrees with me or likes what i say! me and my sister know that it doesn't happen here... well at school. "social status" gets in the way... along with sterotyping!

Clara -

being sarcastic to me! how very dare you! (did you notice i was being sarcastic then?)
there i go again! mmmm i'm going to get real fat!! and you made the thread so you deserved the 40! i think everyone will agree...


me = thankful and like wow and all that! getting sloppy with my typing as me also = tired! woooo sorry... being bigheaded aren't i?


will do!!


oh i said that yeah but does brother mean they share phoenix feathers or some other characteristics.... oh i'm confused!

Reecy13
hello!! you are at the right place you know... because you like Dumbledore... and this thread is all about him
*slaps self*
been a bit hyper and "state-the-obvious" today!

Wow oh my goshness Clara that was one of the most amazing posts that I have ever read? Would you mind if i printed a copy and showed it to my friend?

And thankyou very much for my sherbet lemons mmm i needed some sugar today. I am so glad that my view on Dumbledore made sense thankyou for agreeing with so many things I said! Ok I'll stop thanking now and continue to comment.

So as i was reading your post one thing jumped into my mind...



I think Dumbledore had previously said something to Harry without realising he was infact describing himself and his view on well life (love this quote its my signature) "It is the unknown we fear when we look upon darkness and death nothing else" Dumbledore fears the unknown, he likes to know what is going on and that he is in control. This moment when he is concerned with the unknown he weakens himself but I think he failed to realise he is only human i nthe end and this also applies to him, but it's dangerous for him.

And I do strongly believe that one person can experience opposites such as not knowing and complete understanding but it's a clouded view and I can't put it into words at the moment so I'll stop there on that one.

The greed theory isn't crazy at all but like you Clara I think greed isn't quite the right word yet I can think of another, it's kind of a strand of greed. I guess it could be described as a desire for knowledge and control, which really anyone would want in life. The only problem is Dumbledore already being so powerful feels helpless once this uncertainty arises so he yearns for this consistency when the supply of the unknown is very unreliable and unpredictable. Hm did that make sense?

But this greed is in no way for his own benefit but the benefit of others so yet again its more greed for others well beings.

This sums it up wonderfully:



Ok sorry if I haven't added anything new but I totally agree and am in awe hmmm....

It's ok I re-read there is a bit of new stuff and elaboration in there phewf!

When I first saw the question about Dumbledore's hidden side to his personality, this is exactly what I thought, but I couldn't put it into words. This post made it sooo clear for me, so thank you for that.

Now, I agree that greed isn't really the right word to describe this character trait. It isn't a selfish greed, but more of a fervent and zealous desire to gain knowledge to help others. This, in and of itself, is almost an antonym for greed, yet no one seems to be able to come up with a word to describe it. Hah. Maybe I'll do what my mom always tells me and get a dictionary out!.....Ehhhh maybe not.

Until later posts,
-Witherwings

Aww Thanks K.Lupin!! I feel soo much love here. You guys are the Best. And Congrats for being DD-ette of the Month! I'm soo proud!

I think Fawkes will play a huge role in DH. Since he and Harry already have a bond. And since Harry knows how to call Fawkes to him by showing loyalty to DD. And if i remember correctly (I haven't read HBP in a while! ) Fawkes just kind of disappeared. So i think he will show up at just the right moment.

ok my god your posts are huge guys i don't know how to keep up.

Firstly Clara i don't think i understand what you mean about the points in yur profile.. I am thick i know.

Ok so i think i will ask a question ..

If you had a chance to be Dumbledores assitant for the day, what would you want to help him do, or do for him??

This question reminds me unfortunatley of a DHouse elf running after Dumbledore which we know wouldn't happen.

But what would be your desire to do for Dumbledore??

I will answer my question later.

Reecy13

no problem!! woooo you feel loved!! so do i! this thread rocks!

Seriouslysirius

well i don't know. i would just make him a brandy or a cup of tea, tell him to put his feet up! and then put on some chamber music and tell him to relax! i would be him for the day (well try) and i would just make him relax and chill out!! he tries so hard to help Harry and everyone else ect he needs some alone and "just me" time to chill!

Hmm if i were Dumbledores assistant for a day the first thing i would do would be to ask him if he needed me to do anything, which is highly unlikely that he would say anything but it seems polite. I would bring him a bog box of lollies, sherbet lemons maybe.

I'd propably offer my opinion on matters and suggest that I would visit a memory with him so I can offer my view on a memory he can't crack because it would be cool to go into the pensieve. I mean I would like to take him to a nice park for a picnic or go on a bushwalk but the talking factor may be a little awkward and I dont feel Dumbledore is the type of person to just drop everything and take sometime to himself, we may want that but I dont think he does...Bless him

[quote]Now, I agree that greed isn't really the right word to describe this character trait. It isn't a selfish greed, but more of a fervent and zealous desire to gain knowledge to help others. This, in and of itself, is almost an antonym for greed, yet no one seems to be able to come up with a word to describe it. Hah. Maybe I'll do what my mom always tells me and get a dictionary out!.....Ehhhh maybe not.

Until later posts,
-Witherwings
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I think the word we are all looking for is obsession. Not the crazy obsession, but you know what i mean. DD has the lifelong obsession to know everything he can possibly know to keep everyone he loves safe. He obsesses to research any and everything he can know, from the enemy itself, to spells and techniques. It's sort of like Hermione's obsession with studying and classes.

Tell me if there is another word out there.

P.S. I tried the quote thing but i don't know how to use it. It was my first time. Can someone explain how to do it?

If i were DD's assistant for the day. I would just follow him around and try to observe everything he does. I would also do things like send out memos to the teachers and get him his favorite candy.