Intresting answers guys.

So i'll answer my own question.

Ok so if i where Dumbledores assistant. I would not ask if he wanted anything because i know he would probably insist he as fine. And in GOF he had thosse sweets in his room anyway.

I would probably like Drinotonks. Offer my opinons on memoreys and help him with all his mad wacky theorys. I bet it's really hard for him.

Prof Dumbledore and I would bake cookies, and a chocolate cake, and test the theories of candy making. He would teach me how to make those licorice snaps that really bite, and I would teach him how to make Madeleines that make your heart melt. (He would probably want to put in some kind of filling that gave you the sensation of walking down Avenue Foch on your way to the Eiffel Tower - that would be awesome

If I were Dumbledore's assistant, i would carefully study him, and watch his actions and try to learn as much as I could from him. Also, of course I would help him with his everyday things, and give him a few sweets every now and then. I would also look at all the interesting stuff he has in his office.

Intresting answer. SpinJam oooh Cookies i think i might get some now.

witherwings09

I would probably do what you would do aswell.

Ok i have another question..

If Dumblesore left you in charge of Hogwarts for a day. and said. you had to keep to this list.

Don't Open any cuboards!!
Feed Fawkes.
Make a speech at dineer about Herbology. (random)
and Finish my paperwork.

Would you obey or do something else?

Is there anything you would be tempted to do and look at in his office??

Let's see if I was DD's assistant.... hmmmmmm first off I guess help him sort out what he doesn't need in his office anymore, seeing how Harry has damaged most of it from his 'tantrum' in OOTP.... once we got that done, I am not sure, probably sit there by his side helping him decipher the memories he hasn't sorted through yet.

If he left me in charge with a list, I would by all means follow it. And maybe add a couple to it.... I may not make my speech as long as he may have liked, but I did it and that's saying something as I can't normally talk to a big crowd....

~PC

Right...time for another quick catch up i think... i'll start from the latest post and work backwards..

If Dumbledore left you in charge of Hogwarts for a day and said that you had to keep to this list;

Don't Open any cuboards!!
Feed Fawkes.
Make a speech at dineer about Herbology. (random)
and Finish my paperwork.

Well...i guess i'd probably do the last three, but i may open i few cupboards.. i'm sure he wouldn't mind if i was just curious...I think i'd also take a quick look in his pensieve. I know that that could be seen as invasion of privacy, but i may see something that could help him in finding the horcruxes, or maybe just something that he had forgotten. Sometimes it helps if somebody else has a look...
And the speech at dinner... i think i may change it a bit, more like set free a group of baby mandrakes from the herbology greenhouses, and watch in glee as every student and teacher alike fainted. Of course, id have to pass out as well, or they'd suspect me...

If you had a chance to be Dumbledores assitant for the day, what would you want to help him do, or do for him??
But what would be your desire to do for Dumbledore??

I'd love just to talk to him. Id love to hear all of the things going through his head, to be a part of his theories and plans, and to learn things that i'd never even thought about before. And it may help him as well, just to talk about every thought, all of his ideas that others may scorn, and laugh at. I would just marvel at them. And he would probably help me too, to help me to be better.
Other things that i'd do...i think everything i did would have to be on the level of an equal, not an assistant or a servant. I think he would prefer it if i could just lend him a hand, and occasionally ask him for a hand, so that he didn't feel as though it was onesided.


when you copy and paste the bit you want in a quote, highlight it and click on the...9th.icon from the right(at the top)- the one that looks like a speech bubble. It should say wrap in a quote when you hover over it. It means you dont have to quote the whole post as well...

...mr black...in my member profile, at the bottom, it has the member list, and next to each name the sherbet lemons that they have. the number directly next to the name is the overall SLs and the next number is the SLs awarded this month. The person that has the most awarded at the end of each month is the Dumbledore-ette of the month. hope that helps

right...now continuing with the
Do you think Dumbledore has a hidden side to his personality, and what is this hidden side like?

yes, it is always hard to put a feeling or emotion into words effectively. He is so open, yet he is a very complicated person. at first glance, he seems open and simple to read, but he has so much more to him.


yes... i know we had a few more words to describe it, including dependency and obsession, but i also think it is a fascination, that does drive him to search for more, to understand more. He is fascinated with knowledge, and fearful of the unknown. So, it is a mixture between an obsession, a dependency, and a fascination. Its an obspendtion.


Oh my goshness Drinotonks *blushing*


Yes, to know so much and then stumble across a whole subject that you have not the slightest comprehension of. That is the most terrifying thing. The thing is, Dumbledore knows a lot, and is a very wise person- he knows what to do with his knowledge- that when he doesn't know something, his wisdom goes into overdrive. He tries to find meaning, he tries to find why something happens, when in fact he doesnt even know know what happens.
And its not just that feeling. To admit that he didnt know something..that would make it so much more real. Somebody like DD would not only feel as though he was letting himself down, but also everybody else that relies on him- which is a lot of people.
And darkness and death... darkness is not so bad, you can always bring a little light to the darkness, and it is no longer darkness. But death...It seems so irreversable. I think that is one of the reasons why many people can not accept that DD is dead- "because he knows. He doesn't enter something that he doesn't understand, and he is not bound by the restrictions that bind the rest of us". It is hard to think of something so final and complete when we look at somebody as everlasting as DD. But really, he is human, however wise and knowledgeable and powerful. However long he lives, he has to die someday, even a phoenix dies. It is everlasting- as the memory of dumbledore is, but its life can suddenly end, even if it is to come back in some form, it has to end someday.


I think i may be able to help in unclouding that one...but this is just my view.
You could not know many things. Not know why somebody dies, and why somebody else lives, or how magic works, or why people think the way they do, or why human life exists, why there are muggles and why there are witches and wizards. You could have many areas of uncertainty, and areas of confusion. But, if you are wise enough to accept this, and know that when the time and circumstances arise you can use your wisdom and logic to learn, then you are truely alknowing. DD may not know what happens when people die, but he would surely know that when it happened, he would learn something new, discover something he never understood before. He may go to heaven, or he may just stay in the ground, he may be reborn, or he may become a ghost. He wouldnt know, but he would know that when it happened, he would know. And soon, the unkown becomes the inevitable future. It may be scary, but when it happens, he will understand, and he will be more knowledgeable for it.

phew! *-*-*-*-*


No, i do remeber him saying that the phoenix that gave the feather that is the core of harrys wand gave just one other- and that is the one in Voldemort's wand.
And i think brother means this. They dont just have the same type of core, they have practically the same core. Even if they just shared some other characteristics, the wood, or core or flexibility, length etc, at least one of them must have been the same.
It is yet another similarity between Riddle and Harry.

ok..i wont give any more questions today...i think we have enough to discuss... i may not be on till...moday...

***Adeus!***

Clara}~

Oh my god, I’ve done it again. . .
I have missed SO much. . .again

Do you think Fawkes could be a horcrux??
I believe that they is no way Fawkes is a horcrux. I simply think this because Fawkes has no connection to the Dark Lord unless there is something we don’t know about Fawekes that is. . .


Do you think Dumbledore has a hidden side to his personality, and what is this hidden side like?
Well I agree with K.Lupin_werewolf as she said something like every having a hidden side. I believe that to. There are two sides to every person however one side my conquer over the other, that’s what I think. So if Dumbledore has a hidden side then it is with out doubt a contrast to what most people see him as but then again everyone’s interruption of someone may be different to what another may think.

What do you think was the iron clad reason Dumbledore trusted snape??
Trust. . .is such a powerful thing. And it is hard to believe that Dumbledore could in fact be wrong about anything so obviously Dumbledore trusts Snape for a strong reason. But the question is. . .what is that reason? And I think we will either never know or find out in the last book. Maybe Harry will catch up with Snape and perhaps Snape explains then insults Harry like he normally does While Snape is explaining, the Dark Lord is getting closer and then Snape jinxes the Dark Lord which proves to Harry that he is on their side, that he is a double agent. A little off the question. . .but truly without knowing the full life of Dumbledore anf the full life of Snape how can we really ever know Dumbledore’s real intentions or his real thoughts, how can we ever know his reasons for trusting Snape.

If you had a chance to be Dumbledores assitant for the day, what would you want to help him do, or do for him??
Oh that is a really good question I would love to help him run Hogwarts and I’d sit next to him on the teachers table and learn more about him before I seek off a talk to my ‘dad’ Well Snape that is

If Dumblesore left you in charge of Hogwarts for a day. and said. you had to keep to this list.
Well I think the list would be:
Look after Fawkes
Look out for Harry
Make a speech about the Dark Lord
Finish paperwork and send it to MOM on time
Well I would obey the list but I probably wouldn’t be bothered to do the paperwork

Is there anything you would be tempted to do and look at in his office??
No, not really. However I would spend time with Fawkes because phoenixes interest me.

OOOOh i think i get you know so the points that we have overall are the ones right next to are names and the ones in brackets are how many that have been awarded this month. Right?



Yeah i don't blame you anyway Dumbledore wouldn't mind like you say.

I don't think he would mind because 1. He isn't that kind of person to get angry over it.

2. Here is a quote he says in GOF. " Curiosity is not a sin Harry but you should excersize caution."

So i would excersize caution.

Question.. again.

If you had a chance to go into the pensieve with Dumbledore which kind of memorey would you want to go and look at?

A horcrux Voldemort meomery.
Dumbledore at school.
Just another random memorey. ( specifiy what would happen in there if you can.)

If Dumbledore left you in charge of Hogwarts for a day and said that you had to keep to this list;
Don't Open any cuboards!!
Feed Fawkes.
Make a speech at dineer about Herbology. (random)
and Finish my paperwork
well i would do the last three but i guess with the first curiosity would take its hold. i think Dumbledore is the sort-of man that would say that but know that curiosity would take over. i think he would understand and not be too angry.

Is there anything you would be tempted to do and look at in his office??
I would be tempted to take a look at his pensieve as i would love too know more about Dumbledore and his life. of course i couldn't be sure about what i'd see so i can't say if i would look or not. i most likely would be very curious but i don't know if i'd sneek a look at memories which could possibly be... nasty or whatever.

If you had a chance to go into the pensieve with Dumbledore which kind of memorey would you want to go and look at?
A horcrux Voldemort meomery.
Dumbledore at school.
Just another random memorey. ( specifiy what would happen in there if you can.)
well i think i would like to see him in his younger years. when he was at hogwarts. i would just like to see what he was like as a kid/teenager. i think it would interesting to see if there had been much change.

Well to answer my question..

If you had a chance to go into the pensieve with Dumbledore which kind of memorey would you want to go and look at?
A horcrux Voldemort meomery.
Dumbledore at school.
Just another random memorey. ( specifiy what would happen in there if you can.)

I wOuld want to see Dumbledore at school but i imagine he wpuld have like a privacy enchantment over it. Well that is kind of Dumbledore.

I think i would got to see a Voldermort horcrux thing with him. He needs all the help he can get.

If you had a chance to go into the pensieve with Dumbledore which kind of memorey would you want to go and look at?
A horcrux Voldemort meomery.
Dumbledore at school.
Just another random memorey. ( specifiy what would happen in there if you can.)

Good question. I would probably go into a memory of when Dumbledore was at school. I would love to see how he was in his younger days, who his friends were, and what he looked like. It would be interesting to see if he was the same way that he is when he grows up.

If you had a chance to go into the pensieve with Dumbledore which kind of memorey would you want to go and look at?
A horcrux Voldemort meomery.
Dumbledore at school.
Just another random memorey. ( specifiy what would happen in there if you can.)
Now that is a good question and my answer is like witherwings09. I would love to see Dumbledore as a teenage in school, sse his freinds, his teachers, what he looked like, see how differnt school life was for Dumbledore then kids today at Hogwarts. So I agree with witherwings09, I to would love to see a memory of when he was at school.

If i had a chance to go into the pensieve with Dumbledore... I would probably look at the memory that explained why DD trusted snape, if it was in there. However, i think DD puts the memories in there so that he can sort them out and unjumble his head. I really dont think he would put this particular memory in the pensieve because it was not only a huge secret, but it could also comprimise Snape's safety.
My other choice...that would probably be any memory of Dumbledores that showed another side to him, or perhaps just showed him in a different light. The lonely DD interests me a lot, and i think it would be a rally good chance to discover more about him.


Yes, You get it Mr B

right i have my own little question;

We know that DD takes responsibility for a lot of minor things, as well as the major things, but we have always seen that his top priority is everybody as a whole, andhe would not save one person just to lose everybody else. However, he has always been different with Harry, an sometimes his judgment may be a little clouded where harry is concerned...so...
Do you think that if Harry Died killing Voldemort (they both die), DD would feel as though he(DD) had failed?
you have to think about it a bit. he saves everybody else, but fails harry, would he see it like that, or would he just feel that he failed at everything? elaborate a bit...

Clara}~

Do you think that if Harry Died killing Voldemort (they both die), DD would feel as though he(DD) had failed?

If Harry died killing Voldemort, I do not think that Dumbledore would feel as though he had failed. I think that he probably knows that some sacrafices must be made, and even though he has a special relationship with Harry, some things just have to happen. But then again he may have the feeling deep down that he failed Harry by not being able to help him more than he did. Even though the greatest Dark Wizard of all time was vanquished, he might feel as if he failed because his favorite student had to die in the process, and he couldn't help him anymore than he already did.

I kind of feel that i'm contradicting myself and being repetitive so I will stop there lol. Good question though, it really made me think.

1.What are your favourite characteristics or Albus?, Why do you like him?he's a force all by himself so immensly powerful and intelligent he must be respected

2.Dumbledore's future, i know this is a hard one, because it i such a big topic, and it is taking place in loads of forums, but if we keep it strictly to him...
What will Dumbledores place be in Deathly Hallows?probably giving advise to harry as a potrait

3.Albus and Aberforth, they are brothers, but what is the relationship like between the two?i think it's probably closer than is revealed.Aberforth and albus were both in the order also.

Do you think that if Harry Died killing Voldemort (they both die), DD would feel as though he(DD) had failed?
If Harry dies killing Voldemort I think that Dumbledore would think he himself had failed Harry. Think about all the time Dumbledore has spent with Harry, helping him. I think Dumbledore may think he failed Harry but not think that Harry failed him. I think Dumbledore may have thought that this was going to happen but didn't want to tell Harry. 'Niether can live while the other surrives.' Well okay here is the whole prophecy:
The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies...
So maybe Dumbledore thinks that Harry will die but wants to ingore it becasue he cares for Harry.

Do you think that if Harry Died killing Voldemort (they both die), DD would feel as though he(DD) had failed?
wow what a good question.
erm somehow i think Dumbledore more than anyone understand that sacrifices must and will made to conquer evil. i don't think Dumbledore would have thought he failed Harry, to a degreee. he was there for Harry, he helped, aided and advised him in heaps of ways. also he helped Harry understand Voldermort more. but i guess in a way Dumbledore would feel he would of failed Harry to a degree as he's young and would have his whole life ahead of him whereas Dumbledore himself lived to a ripe old age.
i think Dumbledore would feel he failed Harry's friends. they know less than himself and Harry and Dumbledore would probably feel a pang opf guilt for them. he would feel guilty himself i think as he guided Harry and therefore if death was the be all and end all outcome then Dumbleodre would feel like he had control of Harry's life and that he led him to death for the sake of everyone else.
erm did that make any sense.

Hey Clara thats a really good idea. I quess Dumbledore here i go quoteing him again.

" I find my mind a we bit stretched."

So a pensieve is great in that aspect.

Do you think that if Harry Died killing Voldemort (they both die), DD would feel as though he(DD) had failed?

Erm. well.

Prehaps he would. Harry seems so very close to Dumbledore. It isn't just a matter of useing Harry as a scapegoat to save the wizarding world. I think there bond would make Dumbledore think he has failed more than anything else.
As we know Harry is the only one who can defeat the Dark lord. So in a sense he would have failed in Harry and the Wizarding world.

right...where was I?
oh yes...

Do you think that if Harry Died killing Voldemort (they both die), DD would feel as though he(DD) had failed?
Right, so when i asked this, i was thinking about the fact that DD cares about everybody as a whole, and he has always shown that he cares about everybody, but he also knows people personally, cares about them.
If he saved the world, but lost somebody he loved, would he feel a failure?
Would saving everybody else outweigh losing somebody close? or would the loss of a loved one drown out all the thanks?
The calm, logical side of Dumbledore would not feel a failure, he had saved the majority of the people, through harry, and Voldemort had been defeated. He could have done certain things differently but that may not have made any difference anyway.
But the compassionate loving side would be utterly distaught. He found a boy whose parents had died, made the difficult descisions for him at first, and then moulded him into a young, if slightly reluctant hero, and that hero saved the world. And then, as DD would see it, that young boy had died, because of DDs 'weaknesses'.

Honestly, i dont know whether he would feel as though he had failed. I know he would think he had, but if he delved deeper into himself? he may find reluctant accptance, he may find more guilt, but i think he would just find more confusion.

arggg got to go...
Clara}~

Hi all. Thought I'd come and check out the topic...heard it was a hot one from a reliable source

I would love to add to the discussion however it seems to me that I am going to need to really read the back posts to see what has been covered. Dumbledore is such a complex and interesting man that I could scarcely do him justice to quick post now. I will say however that one of my favorite reasons for liking him so much is that with all his power and magical knowledge, he has never been corrupted by the Dark Arts. He has an extensive knowledge about them but he has not practiced it. He is self controlled in that aspect. Another reason i like him is that he allows himself to be angery yet he is always in controlled. The scene where he storms into the MoM to rescue his students and Harry show this perfectly.

Give me some time and I will disect the rest of the questions and post later.

Hi all! I'd love to join the Wise and the Wonderful, please! Dumbledore is, after all, one of my favourite characters!

Do you think that if Harry Died killing Voldemort (they both die), DD would feel as though he(DD) had failed?

Good question! I, somehow, don't think so. Dumbledore respects choice, and doesn't fear death. I don't deny that he isn't sad when his friends and those he loves dies, but he knows that it's not up to him to decide about that.

Harry can choose to fight Voldemort and die a hero's death, or run and die the death of a coward, but Dumbledore can't do anything about that. It wasn't Dumbledore's grand scheme that a prophecy be made, and that Voldemort chose Harry from the two boys. He simply tried to help Harry as much as he could when it became clear what Harry was destined for, and he tried to guide him toward the path he thought would give Harry the best chance of defeating Voldemort. In the end, Harry has to find the way that even Dumbledore couldn't see, so why would Dumbledore feel like a failure? He is too wise for that.

And then - is dying when you have defeated the most evil wizard a failure? Is death equal to failure? Dumbledore didn't seem to think so, and though he knew that life was precious, he didn't think death was less so.

He didn't feel like a failure when Sirius died because he realised that ultimately, Sirius was a big enough boy to die on his own. Does that make sense? Sirius had the choice, and Dumbledore wasn't arrogant enough to deny Sirius the choice to risk his life. In a similar way he wouldn't 'deny' Harry that choice by feeling as though he, Dumbledore, was the axis about which it all turned and that it was all his fault.

Hey Laurette! good to finally see you
so Amanda! ...Im reliable?

Just a quick announcement:

After establishing ourselves in the lounge (big clap on the back!!) We are now affiliated with M.O.O.O.P., The Muggles of the Order ot the Phoenix!!
The thread can be found here and the blog here
Their one year anniversary is fast approaching, and im sure any visitors would be welcomed! (just dont abandon me )

ok...new question
Do You think that DD is too trusting? He trusted Snape, and we are yet to find out whether this trust was misplaced, but he also trusted a lot of other people...or did he?

EDIT:would just like to announce the arrival of a quick Tom Riddle One shot that i just posted in the fic forum. Riddle:The Birth of Immortality can be found here, and it would mean a lot to me if you guys could take a look and post a comment on the feedback thread (something constructive you know...not i liked it and vica versa)...
Thanks!

*ha ha ha* You have never given the impression otherwise...Awesome thread by the way.

Will Harry benefit from a DD will?
I don't think that money would be a factor...Harry doesn't need it and I see DD as leaving him something he would need. So if Harry is to benefit from a will I see it as being something like the sword of Gryffindor or maybe the pensive filled with memories that DD has collected over the years (centuries lol) to help Harry with the Horcruxes and defeat Voldemort.

Is the movie DD a bit crazy?
I don't know about crazy but I definately think that in the first two books DD character didn't have much to get emotional or crazy about. I am very excited and interested to see how OOTP and the rest of the series has DD portrayed. I love the MoM scene in Book 5 and the Locket scene in Book 6 and both of those scenes are very emotionally charged. I think that Michael will do an excellent portrayal there as his gift for conveying emotion is obvious. True that some scenes are over the top but still well done. That is why our imaginations are best when we read the books. That is what I tell newbies to the HP series...read first.

What is the secret to DD longevity?
I think DD is always one step ahead of the Dark Arts. He is very knowledgable in them and has stayed on top of his game. I think by careful planning, he has been able to minimize his chances of snuffing it...alas, death comes to us all though.

What was Albus like as a child?
In one of the books it sayse that DD had red hair so I see him as having a Fred and George streak somewhere in him. The little twinkles in his eyes give the impression of a mischief maker somewhere in his character. He was placed in Gryffindor so he has many of the brave, loyal characteristics associated with Gryffindors. I can see him diving into the lake to save someone like Dennis Creevey (who feel in) in his younger days, can't you?

Okay, my brain is in overdrive so I will stop for now before my words come out all smush mush.

~nevillesgirl

Hi * waves * to all new comers.

Ok Clara your question..

Do You think that DD is too trusting? He trusted Snape, and we are yet to find out whether this trust was misplaced, but he also trusted a lot of other people...or did he?

Well everyone has there faults including Dumbledroe and he acknowledges this but i rely on Dumbledore and i don't think he is to trusting it may seem amazing to us that he trust some untrustworthy people. But i'm sure he is actually good a very good reason for trusting. I don't think Dumbledore is to trusting. He i am sure has hidden reasons behind his trust.

Do you think Dumbledore is to trusting...?

I don't think so. I believe Dumbledore's nature is to give people the benefit of the doubt. Allow them to make a mistake once, for we all are capable of terrible choices sometimes. In the case with Snape, Dumbledore seems to have and iron clad reason for trusting him wholeheartedly. If Severus turns out to be on the Dark side (God, I hope not!!*SNIFF*) then there lies the weakness of Dumbledore for we all have a weakness.

Dumbledore does place his trust in a great many people at varies times in the series. I doubt that I will be able to remember them all but a few that come to mind are...
1. Hagrid bringing the infant Potter to the Dursley's. DD says he would trust Hagrid with his life.
2. Hermione with her time turner. That was a very important thing to trust her with seeing as so many lives held in the balance of that time travel being sucessful.
3. He is extremely trusting of McGonagall everytime he has had to take leave of Hogwarts and leave her in charge as Deputy Headmistress. Wouldn't have even appointed her if he didn't have faith that she could handle it.
4. Harry...on almost every occasion he lets Harry work out whatever difficulties he may be going thru because he trusts that he will get to the bottom of it eventually.

Gosh, I know there's more, but I can't think right now. Could anyone help me out with my list?

~nevillesgirl

Wow! I'm going to look on there very soon. I want to be a member of M.O.O.O.P

Do You think that DD is too trusting? He trusted Snape, and we are yet to find out whether this trust was misplaced, but he also trusted a lot of other people...or did he?
I think Dumbledore is too trusting however I feel that he can not help it. The charateristic of 'trusting people' appears to be strong and longlasting within Dumbledore meaning he trusts people easily and that he has done for a very long time, if not all his life. I think Dumbledore only trusts the people that can be trusted, I actually think Dumbledore can see into people's mind or he is very good at reading someone's body langauge or expressions of the face. If we think back to the second movie. . .when Dumbledore asks Haryy if there is anything he wants to tell him Harry says 'No sir, nothing' (or something like that) after that Harry leaves and the camera focus' on Dumbledore's face and his face expression seems to be saying that he knows he is lying. The same sort of thing happens in the second film when Dumbledore asks Riddle the same question. I do not think that Dumbledore's trust in anyone has ever been misplaced, I think he choses the people to trust with careful consideration and a lot of it.

Do You think that DD is too trusting? He trusted Snape, and we are yet to find out whether this trust was misplaced, but he also trusted a lot of other people...or did he?
well i like what nevillesgirl said....

i just think he gives people that second chance because he understands that we all make mistakes. we can never know if that second chance we give someone turns out to be the worst idea possible but alas! what do we really know! well anyways i think that Dumbledore really feels compassion and is understanding. i think it is more understanding then too trusting. also i guess we can't be sure where Snape's loyalities lie so i guess we can't know if he is too trusting... but even if Snape was always "bad" Dumbledore took that chance because he had too. i mean if we never give anyone that second chance and how are we too know if they would have changed or not. yes i guess it can sometimes turn out for the worst because people blow their chances but imagine this...
a person is standing on you doorstep and it's pouring it down with rain. their stole from you the day before and lied to you. they apoligse and swear to change. if you say no they would walk of alone in the rain and probably turn to stealing more and also they may not remember you... for good reasons.
i guess Dumbledore would rather have the chance to reform someone then to send them away and leave them to their own devices and perhaps the devices of those who would currupt their minds.

wel that's what i think!
o and i will look MOOOP soon!

Do you think that DD is too trusting?
Ok,so we can all see why i asked this question... I dont think that DD is too trusting, just that he may smetimes overestimate what people are capeable of, and in this his trust becomes misplaced. I'm refering to Harry here. I think that DD protected him from the things to that he actually needed to know, but trusted him with things that he may have been too young to be trusted with. He was given too many Clues about the philosiphers stone, whether intentionally or not, and he had to go looking. I know DD didnt mean him to, so he wasnt exactly trusting Harry with the imformation, just trusting that Harry would be fine and not get too hurt.
Snape...Nevillesgirl, i cannot tell you how good it is to have another Severus supporter on the thread... But...I am really not sure whether he placed too much trust in Severus or not... Now, of course i dont mean that Sev was evil, just that he was so driven by determination he thought he could achieve anything, yet so tied by his love of DD to do things that would hurt him. Personally, i think that the astronomy tower was planned, at least as a final resort, and i think that DD may have placed too much trust in Severus ability to do what was neccessary. so really, i dont think he understood just how much Severus loved him (in a father-son or friend way, of course) and placed too much trust in the brutal man that Severus had apparently showed himself to be all those years ago.

I would also add the Dursleys to the list. Yes, they were harry's only blood relations, so they were the only ones that could offer him the protection, willingly or not, and DD had to give harry to them...But he also trusted these people with the care of a boy that would one day save the eintire wizarding population- and more. They wernt likely to give him up, but they could have hurt him a lot more than they did. Even though they would deny it, they did mould harry into a strong charcter, and DD did trust them with this job.

*Cough cough*...nevillesgirl, you forgot Severus... The iron clad reason he trusted him...DD also trusted Severus with more knowledge than anybody else, the job of teaching Harry occlumecy, being (after Mcgonnagal) second in command, and..the task of protecting several people, should DD die, or need to die.

Tom Riddle...Before he became evil,ok, so we know DD didnt give Tom a job when he asked for one, and he did keep an eye on him, but he knew that something was up with Tom ona few occasions, and did very little about it. He not only Trusted Tom, he encouraged him. He was the one that encouraged Tom to begin to understand his power, among other things. He didnt trust Tom with Knowledge, just with the fact that Tom wouldnt get hurt, and wouldnt be lead astray, much like he did with Harry in the first few books.

Slughorn, somebody that could have possible connections with Death eaters, accidentally gave the knowledge of horcruxes to a young boy (though DD was unaware of this at first) made friends with students to use them as connections in the future..and likes to pretend to DD that he has been horrifically murdered...

Mad eye moody, although here, it was trusting the person that was desguised as mad eye, and not actually noticing the things that were different about him, i cant really blame him for this trust..

nevilles girl,you can have five sherbet lemons for starting off the list, and making a good contribution etc etc, and i dont think you hae any...

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I loved your answer to your question: Do you think that DD is too trusting? Clara well explained and very much deepth into your answer, have you got any more questions I want to answer more questions

Well I have no school tomorrow so therefore I promise to read it then and I shall post some feedback on your feedback thread afterwards. I promise, cross by fingers and all that

Ahhh Clara, I feel like I've just been scolded in a thoroughly enjoyable way I didn't add Severus to the list because I guess people would look at my siggy and assume know where I stand with him...totally my mistake.

Tom Riddle: Hmmm, I don't know if what DD was doing was trusting him or allowing him the freedom of choice in regards to developing his own magical abilities. Maybe there was some trust on the initial level that DD expected Tom to embrace life at Hogwarts and then do the right thing when it came to his learning. Maybe he trusted that Tom would learn to keep his ambition in check, I don't know--This is the same thing I see him doing with Harry. The difference is that Harry has character, morals and such, Tom didn't and still doesn't.

You know who else comes to mind? The Minister of Magic, both Fudge and Scrime...(spelling, don't have text with me?)
Fudge: I think Dumbledore always had his number. He knew he was an inadequate leader who was easily swayed by his newfound position of power. In the beginning Dumbledore had no problem advising him because at that point Fudge was still listening to his advice. Towards the end we see a significant shift in Dumbledores trusts for the man as he gives no help to him or the Ministry.
Scrim...: Once Dumbledore saw him as someone who would exploit (use)Harry, he pretty much put a nail in that coffin of a relationship.

This just kind of solidifies my view that DD doesn't trust blind. Am I making any sort of sense here?

Stop over to the fanfic section and read my fanfic The Spinner's Secret. Shameless plug I know...forgive me **hangs head in shame**

I totally agree with you, clara. Trust wasn't the big issue, it was holding humans, people who can and will make mistakes in too high regard. His amount of faith in them was his fault. There's a fine line between having too much faith in someone and not enough, and DD had to much.

I support Severus, too, but his fault is his inability to forgive, which was clearly shown in the third book after the return of sirius,and in his actions toward harry. therefore, DD shouldn't have trusted snape with things involving Harry such as occlumency, because snape and harry's hatred toward one another was to great to expect them to forgive and forget.

one question for you, though, clara-do you think that DD really didn't intend for harry to go looking for the sorcerer's stone? If someone was trying to get their hands on the stone to use it, they wouldn't be able to b.c DD made it to where only someone who didn't want to use it would get it (correct me if i'm wrong). So maybe he wasn't thinking harry specifically, but knew that if harry ever got down there he could handle it? DD's not the kind of guy who would give someone info and then expect them not to act on it. But, and this could ruin my theory on this particular subject, wasn't it other teachers giving the trio info on the stone? I don't recall harry ever talking to DD about it until after the fight with voldy and quirrell was done. So DD never had any control over the info they got b.c he can't control people and the amount of info they give, so harry finding the stone wasn't really DD's fault or doing. WOW, i'm getting a headache and i think i'm way off subject anyway...

With regards to tom riddle, DD didn't really have any hard, solid proof that riddle was a bad egg, just his suspisions. So he wouldn't accuse tom of anything until he had proof b.c he could always be wrong. And maybe DD didn't want to believe riddle was bad b.c of his amount of faith in people; maybe DD just wanted to believe that riddle was good and that it was just his imagination that riddle was bad.

A lot to think about so i'm gonna stop before the headache gets worse!

Oh, is participating in the discussions all i have to do to join? If not someone please let me know b.c i'd like to be a member

seriouslylovinsirius68, yep, joining in and making a good contribution is all you ned to do!
Ill go add your name to the member list in my profile..and youres nevillesgirl, i still haven't got round to that

I understand what you both say about Riddle. Yes, all DD really did do was trust in the fact that Tom was a human being with morals and a conscience, but this is the biggest form of trust. Its not just trusting that somebody will keep a particular piece of knmowledge secret, it is trusting that that person will not abuse every bit of knowledge they have ever gained, and will not use all you have ever taught them, whether directly or not, to gain ultimate power, if youll excuse my use of the term.
So freedom of choice is trust, of the most important, and fragile kind. Riddle abused this trust, this benefit of the doubt for all of seven years, and not too soon after that, DD did stop trusting him...
And heres a little revelation i've made... DD still trusts Tom, or rather Voldemort. He trusts the fact that Voldemort is evil , and whether he would admit it or not, predictable. He is not mysterious like severus, or innocently brave and therefore unpredictable like Harry, he is evil. In fact, Voldemort is now so predictable, that DD and harry, a 150 year old and a 17 year old, are able to all but guess where Voldemort has hidden bits of his soul...oh the irony of it.

do you think that DD really didn't intend for harry to go looking for the sorcerer's stone?
No, i dont think that DD would ever intend for an eleven year old Harry to go looking for the stone, it just comes down to this trust in the typoe of person again.He trusted (i believe) that Harry knew how dangerous it would be to go after the stone and confront a fullygrown death eater, even though he got the wrong one. Any child that had grownup in the wizardig world would know how dangerous that would be. Hec, even muggleborns like Hermionie knew how dangerous that would be.
But harry was different. Either he didnt know how dangerous it was -was ignorant, or knew how dangerous it wasand went ahead- was a fool. NO, im giving him a hard time, he was brave, he was the essence of Griffindor, and DD didnt realise this until then.
So, after that, instead of trusting Harry to stay away, he trysted that Harry would leap into the midst of it all, or at least get involved in some way.
And no, it wasnt DD telling Harry the information, it was other staff Cough*Hagrid*cough accidentlly letting it slip, still although like you said, he didnt have any measure of control over what harry was told, he could have tried to control what harry dd with that Information.

phew...
Clara}~

I'm sorry The computer has been crashing a lot today so I'll have to read it tomorrow, sorry again. I don't like breaking my promises but I WILL read your fan-fic tomorrow. . .unless. . .the computer decides to crash again. Sorry again

Clara!
i have read your fan fic.. will not say anything else here!

do you think that DD really didn't intend for harry to go looking for the sorcerer's stone?
i agree with Clara really. i can't see Dumbledore wanting an eleven year old to go on such an "aventure" really. i think he would have been worried for Harry because of his past and he would have been worried because there were always going to be endless possibilites about his future. i think even though Dumbledore would not have wanted Harry to be involved with Lord Voldermort so young i think Dumbledore would have understod and known that Lord Voldermort was always going to my in Harry's life. Hang on a moment. Dumbledore know that Lord Voldermort would get himself involved with the stone? hmmm. well anyways i just think that Dumbledore would understand that Harry's adventures would start from the beginging as they did when he was one year old. well i guess Dumbledore could not have wanted Harry to go after the stone as he did not reveal the information... Hagrid did, blee him. Dumbledore always said that he would trust Hagrid with his life.. could it be that Dumbledore knowing what sort-of person Hagrid was, wanted Harry to discover and unearth things himself by linking things together.
erm i'll leave this now as i feel i'm talking a load of babble.. does it make any sense to anyone?

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Computer hasn't crashed today
I have read you fan fic Clara And I have posted on the feedback thread

Do you think that DD really didn't intend for harry to go looking for the sorcerer's stone?
I agree with you Clara

I can't see Dumbledore wanting an eleven year old looking for the stone when its tasks invovle so much danger, I am certain that Dumbledore wouldn't delibertaly put Harry in danger. I think he would have been worried for Harry yet he would not stand in the way of his dertermination after all Harry made the choice to go looking for the stone, nobody made that decison for him. If for a moment we think back the the Sorting Hat:
"Difficult. Very difficult. Plenty of courage, I see. Not a bad mind, either. There's talent, oh my goodness, yes - and a nice thirst to prove yourself, now that's interesting...So where shall I put you?"
Perhaps Dumbledore has a connection to the Sorting Hat and knows what it said to Harry therefore Dumbledore would not stop Harry as he knows he has the courage and he knows that Harry wants to prove himself. Also in the second book Dumbledore says to Harry:
"It is our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."
So most likely Dumbledore thinks that he is not one to stand in the way of someone's choices and it was Harry's choice to go into the Chamber, it was Harry's choice to go and stop 'Snape' from getting the stone.

Do you think that DD really didn't intend for harry to go looking for the sorcerer's stone?
Im new to this particular forum but Id like to put my two cents in.

It looks to me that every one agrees that DD did not want Harry to go and look for the stone..but I have to disagree. I think that when DD gave Hagrid orders to retrive the stone while he was with Harry he hoped to spark Harrys curiosity...maybe to see what Harry is made of.Yes it was dangerous, but you forget DD knew that one day Harry would have to save the wizarding world and maybe he wanted to see if Harry had a keen enough mind and was up for the task. Also by confiding so much in Hagrid, who we know is not the strongest when it comes to keeping a secret, DD may have expected Harry to find the information he needed to get to sorcers stone, or once again to see if Harry would step up and figure it all out.

I know that you Guys have kind of moved on from the topic of is DD too trusting? But Id like to bring up some food for tought.

I think that DD was definitly not to trusting...we must all remember that you must earn trust. I dont believe that any one could have fooled DD into trusting them, I belive that he most deffinitly had a iron clad reason for trusting Snape, even if he was unwilling to reveal his reason, and I know this may be off topic but has anyone considered that maybe DD wanted Snape to kill him. By letting himself be killed, DD maybe trying to force an alliance between Snape and Harry killing an old predudice at the same time. Snape is the most knowledable when it comes to dark arts and I believe it will be Snape, Harry must turn to in the end. Sorry bout my ramblings... Ill get back on topic.
As for DD trusting in Harry...He had proof when Harry did save the stone from LV that he was going to live up to all he was destined for. As for DD trusting Tom...I dont believe he ever did we see in HBP that even the Young tom was power hungry and DD mentioned he always had his eye on Tom...this I think means he might have given Tom the right to choose but he knew also that Tom was not to be trusted.
I guess thats all and way more than two cents Id would like to know what you think about my thoughts ...

Hi *Love_me_Amortentia*! and welcome...



Yes...I read what you said, and there does seem to be some evidence, but i just dont see DD putting an eleven year old through that. When Harry was over, maybe, but DD is too kind to do that. I can see him wanting to train Harry, in fact we do stringly begin to see this, but i just struggle to see DD as so ruthless and harsh.
I do agree with all of your thoughts on the trusting topic, i understand what you mean about him wanting Snape to kill him. I think weve discussed it before...but we can discuss it again at a latter date...

im having to be really quick today...so ill say:
What Did Dumbledore do in the years between leaving hogwarts and becoming headmaster...thats some onehundred and something years...

Clara}~

Oh i got some catching up to do.

do you think that DD really didn't intend for harry to go looking for the sorcerer's stone?

I ermm well who asked this question?? It's intresting.

Well i think intend Harry to go looking for the Philosphers stone. I think DD saw it as some sort of test. So i agree with *Love_me_Amortentia* ( hi by the way. )

I think that he wanted Harry to know much about the stone. He didn't know lots of how far Harry would go back then. I imagine he wanted to look into Harry further. To see and what purposes Harry posses. If you understand me.

What Did Dumbledore do in the years between leaving hogwarts and becoming headmaster...thats some onehundred and something years...

Well i would give that down to quess work really but we do know one thing. He defeated the Dark Wizard Gindewald didn't he?
So i would say thats the only thing we have as fact that we actually know what he did. I imagine he working aganist the dark forces. And that sort.

Hi *Love_me_Amortentia* and welcome

What Did Dumbledore do in the years between leaving hogwarts and becoming headmaster...thats some onehundred and something years...
Well that is a difficult question. ..
Well we know that Dumbledore became a Hogwarts transfigation teacher. In the late summer of 1938 he visits Tom Riddle to tell him that he has been accepted to Hogwarts. In 1945 Dumbledore defeats Grindelwald, 1955 is about when Dumbledore became headmaster of Hogwarts, okay so surley he did something in is spare time. . .
A time-line for Albus Dumbledore can be found here which is where I got my information from.

Hi *Love_me_Amortentia*!! I'm sure you will enjoy this thread

What Did Dumbledore do in the years between leaving hogwarts and becoming headmaster...thats some onehundred and something years...
well agree with my sister as we know he did all that. erm i'd say that apart from all the great thnigs he did he probably ... mmmm no idea...
Dumbledore became a Hogwarts transfigation teacher.
He visits Tom Riddle to tell him that he has been accepted to Hogwarts.
Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald
Dumbledore became headmaster of Hogwarts
did he have spare time? i'll answer this another time... sorry... i'm going to think about it...

Hi,I am new here.


DD started teaching at Hogwarts.
DD destroyed Grindelward
Tells Tom he is a wizard.
Becomes Headmaster.


We better learn more about DD or I will be mad!

Hi snaprerules!! ( Oh i don't know. )

Ok i have a question.

If Dumbledore had a chance to kill Voldermort. No matter Horcruxes and prophecies and that. Do you think he would do it. I mean would he have it in him??

I don't think he wold i don't think he would Kill Tom. There just something in me telling me that he wouldn't. Sorry i can't exprees it anymore. Well that great.

I would want to visit a memory that was happy to him, one where the wizarding world was free of LV and all were at peace...


Yes I do, only because I don't think that DD would want that evil lingering around.


He graduated from Hogwarts, and became an Auror, or something to do with the MoM. Here he met with Nicholas Flanmel and did some work beside him for while as well and still working with the MoM. DD stayed at the MoM awhile until asked to take a teaching post at Hogwarts which is where he stayed until his dying day. I don't think he put much into a partner persay so I don't see where he would spend any time lingering over that factor of his life.


I think that deep down he understood the curiousity of a boy. He knew that with the certain hints given that harry would figure it out and find the stone.


One simple anwser here - NO. DD didn't like the idea of horcruxes there fore would not use one.


No I don't. I mean everyone has a hidden side, but I don't think DD's is of any main concern. I may be wrong, but that is how I feel.


I think that there was no iron clad reason... DD was/is a very forgiving man therefore he forgave Snape for what he did and in turn tried to help him stay safe.


Not sure here, maybe the pensieve and talk with the sorting hat, but that is all that comes to mind.


Not sure on this one either (my mind is drawing blanks today wanting sleep ). I don't think that DD would feel as though he has failed, as the wizarding world would have been rid of LV, however I feel he would be deeply saddened by the fact that he lost Harry.

Well I hope that catches me up. I have been away for too long, I will come back regularly to keep up to date on the questions. If I missed any I am sorry, I looked back 3 pages and those were the only ones I saw since my last posting.

~PC

Another question!
If Dumbledore had a chance to kill Voldermort. No matter Horcruxes and prophecies and that. Do you think he would do it. I mean would he have it in him??
I think putting aside the Horcruxes and prophecies Dumbledore as much as he would be drawn to, would not have it in him. sorry. as powerful and as wise as he is (was ) i just don't think that an over 150-year old wizard would be as active or as alble to fight and kill such and evil. maybe he could have in his youth as he defeated Grindelward but Voldermort? if DD was alive? regardless of Horcruxes and prophecies ? no... sorry.

If Dumbledore had a chance to kill Voldermort. No matter Horcruxes and prophecies and that. Do you think he would do it. I mean would he have it in him??
I do actually beleive that Dumbledore would to be honest. I mean after all he has already defeated Grindelwald in 1955 but then again how did he defeat him? I could of simply captured him perhaps and sent him to Askban. . .I personally can't see Dumbledore using the killing curse. . .okay so now my answer has changed No I don't think that Dumbledore would kill him, I don't think he would use the killing curse and I don't think Harry would be thankful if Dumbledore used the killing curse on Voldermort to destory him. I think Harry would want to a. Do it himself or b. Have the Dementors stuck out his soul as he knows that is frighting becasue Peter was so afarid of it. It's like what Harry says in the third movie:
"I just don't think my dad would have wnated his two best freinds to become killers." (Well something like that) So I hardly think that Harry would be happy if Dumbledore became a killer and killed Voldermort. But I think Harry would thank him if Dumbledore just simplely captured Voldermort and sercuced him somewhere before Askban.

I think DD would definitely have the ability to kill LV-he is (was ) one of the most powerful wizards in the world, and the only one LV ever feared. But his age, like K. Lupin_werewolf said, could be a problem. He's not a quick as he used to be, which could present a problem. But i still think he could do it. There was a menacing side to DD that we rarely see, but remember in GoF when the fake moody took harry away from DD? DD burst in and from the look on his face harry sees why DD is the only on LV ever feared. Even in the sixth book as he got weaker, i think DD could have killed LV (but that's only if we don't consider the prophecy, etc.).

And are we sure that DD was a transfiguration professor? I don't recall reading about it in the books but someone mentioned it and i wasn't sure...

IF DUMBLEDORE HAD A CHANCE TO KILL VOLDEMORT...WOULD HE DO IT...WOULD HE HAVE IT IN HIM?

I don't think he would do it. I remember in the MoM when Voldemort says something like "So you don't wish to kill me..." when he is dualling with DD. I don't think that the prophecy had anything to do with that I think DD knows his limitations (age wise) but also magic wise. He knew he still had things to tell Harry and that if he tried to finish off LV then he may weaken himself to the point of being useless. Look at what happened to his hand and that was just a spell that Voldemort used, not battling him.

I think DD does have it in him to kill him. He just exercises control and common sense. He knows there are things worse then death and he seems to like to taunt, if you will, Voldemort on that issue.

Well seriouslylovinsirius68, when Riddle was at Hogwarts we know that Dumbledore was not headmaster and that Armando Dippet is headmaster (page 181 of HPCS) so therefore Dumbledore has to be teaching a subject there at Hogwarts. That subject was indeed Transfiguration. . .
Transfiguration teacher at Hogwarts: it is unknown when he began teaching, but Dumbledore was at Hogwarts by 1938. Horace Slughorn began teaching Potions the same year that Dumbledore did, though Slughorn is much younger. Armando Dippet is the Headmaster.
Date determined from the dates of Riddle's school years, fifty years before the events of the Y12-Y13 school year and also given on the DVD timeline (CS/dvd)
From the Dumbledore time-line which can be found here As you can see there is a referance in brackets (CS) which must mean the Chamber of Secerts so perhaps if you read that book you will find where it hints/tells that Dumbledore was a trasfiguration professor and it must be of the DVD specail features or something like that But we know that he was becasue the website that tells that he was a Transfiguration professor is all verified by J.K.Rowling herself Hope that clears things up for you, seriouslylovinsirius68

I believe Dumbledore would most definitely have killed voldemort now if he had the chance.Saving the wizarding world from a menace like that would be well worth tearing his soul(which i believe he already has when he "defeated" whats his name i cant remember how to spell it.

If Dumbledore had a chance to kill Voldermort. No matter Horcruxes and prophecies and that. Do you think he would do it. I mean would he have it in him??

I do not think that Dumbledore would kill Voldemort if given the chance. He has said before that there are worse things than death, and as someone already said, he uses that knowledge to taunt Voldemort at times. I think that he would probably just weaken him to the point where Voldemort wouldn't be a threat any longer.