~I'm not sure if you are reaching or not...what I feel to be true here is that in hindsight, which is always easier to detect and dissect, it could be possible to interpret that statement as DD referring to his own sexuality except I find it difficult to see any real, conclusive evidence in JKR's writing to "prove" to me that she wrote Dumbledore's character with the intent to always be gay from the beginning. I mean for me personally, I would have liked to have read the books from the beginning and get a sense of his sexuality from Book 1 if that was her intent, however I got no such inclination and so her statement saying this was her intent all along is a little difficult for me to swallow. It seems like she just made that announcement as some sort of publicity stunt or something.


~This statement just solidifies my own position that the author herself did not provide the proof in her writing. Yes, we got a sense of discrimination between blood status and differentiating magical creatures...but if JKR wanted this issue to bring out another dimension in DD's character, then she should have written him distinctly and openly homosexual. Otherwise, the message that at least I am getting is that even in the world of fiction that she created, a great and powerful wizard like DD still felt intimidated by his sexual orientation enough to hide it and repress who he is simply because he wasn't comfortable with himself and knew that he could not get ahead as possibly headmaster and professor of such a presigious institution

~excellent discussion guys!!!

I agree with your last point nevillesgirl
I had initally thought that Rowling outed him maybe to show all of us that this highly positioned and brilliant idol like man in the books is gay but that doesnt change him...maybe she wanted to take a little of our prejudices we have these days and here...like...we all appreciated him how he is...brilliant and excellent intelligent etc etc...but I am sure there are a lot of people who are now aware of the fact that he is indeed gay and therefore now they dont like him as they used to...and really they can hardly deny now that they are perjudice...they know why they suddenly have a change of mind dont they? because they are prejudiced...maybe Rowling wanted to make these people to face how they really are...how intolerant that is actually...

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What kind of a message of tolerance is that?

Wow I'm glad you got that off your chest
Yes it is all.. so true.. you think JK is entering the insane and ridiculous world of political correctness?? Its true though... If you are trying to send out the message that you can be gay and successful at the same time, why use somebody as troubled as dumbledore, with such a complex past.. and then hide it!? Maybe the whole gay thing wasn't really thought through. anyway.. like I said, I dont agree.. so *hm*....

The discrimination aspect is also quite interesting. To compare the muggle world with the wizarding one
I think I may have to disagree with you that the Wizarding society is less prejudiced.. (I cant read all of the posts.. so im just going on what I got in my scan read here )
Firstly, a society will usually discriminate using the most obvious things.. for muggles that is colour or race. For some wizards, who think blood status and magic capabilities are the most important, they will discriminate using these.
However, just because race or sexuality etc is not the main thing that they discriminate against, it doesn't mean the discrimination doesnt exist. A society, especially those insecure in that society, will discriminate against anything that they can, if only to gain the 'upper hand'.
Secondly, the wizarding world is in a lot of ways, more traditional, with traditional ideas. Generally, older, more traditional societies will discriminate more anyway.
Thirdly.. you said that in the wizarding world it is not to the extent as in the muggle world. Woa... I know that there are atrocities in human history, fuelled by prejudice.. but they are present in the wizarding world. Ok, so Voldemort's death eaters didn't kill millions of people as Hitler and Stalin did, but imagine if they hadbeen in control of entire countries, with that amount of people in them. Im certain that many would have been killed, until only the 'pure remained'.

I know you could say that it was Voldemort's greed for power, or his quest for immortality, masked behind the pretense of discrimination... but is not most discrimination like that? Look at anti-semitism! The wizarding world and the muggle world parrallel eachother in a lot of their beliefs and ideas... They are different enough, any less discrimination.. well, there would be no story for one thing, and it wouldn't be so believable. I don't want the wizarding world to be any closer to the muggle world that it is, at all!! but if two worlds coexist.. the parallels will be there!

wowow A T B!! Go Startrek!!we welcome dorks... we are a discrimination free club

This Is related to Dumbledore, honest!!Now, my next comment may be in the minority, but I think Dumbledore was prejudiced
Oh definetly, nobody can be totally un-prejudiced.. (is that a word?) Its our personalities, we can't just have pure fact, and nothing else.. people would be the same. Everybody has a reaction, an opinion. some people's opinions are more prejudiced than others.. but the prejudice is there.
Dumbledore was fair. He would have a reaction, like anybody else, but he was wise enough to think, before he acted on his prejudices. He will think things through, and it is totally likely that he would still be prejudiced afterwards, but he would know the consequences of the actions he took, and he is fair enough to hear both sides of the argument before making his final judgment.

Okay... I see us drifting away from Dumbledore her.. I know I didn't help.. but lets try and keep it dumbledore based!!

Oh.. and I have finally realised that only piczo members can sign the shout box book thingys on the site (Rubbish!!)... that's why they're so empty.. anyway... you guys should join!! just to sign them hehe

Clara}~

Happy Halloween


Hi everyone. Just thought i'd let you know. I've done the first part of my Dumbledore fan fiction. I'm really enjoying writing it.

I thought i'd ask a question.

Can you see Dumbledore, going trick or treats? Or joining in, in Halloween celebrations?

Personally. I don't think he wouldn't. I see Dumbledore as the type to think it a little evil. I'm NOT saying trick or treating is wrong. I quess it could be fun but i've never done it myself. I think he would consider that knocking on a strangers door wouldn't be a good idea. As you never know what might happen. Though i don't think he would fear it, he would defiently acknowledge it, and avoid it happening. Plus there is always the side you might scare the occupatants inside. But i think he would approve of going to peoples house you know of. So there is no risk in the situation.

Just thought it was a releative... (ooh what a strange coincedence tirck or treaters where at my door. Hides.) Sorry sidetracked there. Sorry.

But i was wondering what you guys thought.

How strange that you already have trick or treaters and I have been at work for about an hour...my day is just starting.
First of all Happy Halloween to one and all. I hope the ghost of one Albus Dumbledore visits each and every one of you...although you know I am personally pulling for Snape to visit my door

Can you see Dumbledore, going trick or treats? Or joining in, in Halloween celebrations?
Interesting question and point of view you have. Honestly, being the type of jokster we know Dumbledore to be, I absolutely think he would have participated in Halloween festivities when he was younger. As a teen I can totally imagine him pulling a Fred or George Weasley and pulling a couple of practical jokes on his brother or friends...no wonder his brother didn't like him much just kidding!

As the adult though, that is where I see him possibly being a little more cautious. But I don't think that would have swayed him from participating in Halloween.

Very fitting question for the day.

Welcome to W.A.W Mundu and SeverusBlack and...a big welcome back to K.Lupin_werewolf, don’t leave us again!

Firstly, a one day late Happy Halloween Hope you all have lots of sweets

Well that was interesting and I agree with it in most parts.

Oooo what is about again? I forgot…and carry on writing.

Dumbledore visited me! Well I wish Did Snape come to you nevillesgirl?

Can you see Dumbledore, going trick or treats? Or joining in, in Halloween celebrations?
I can but when he was younger and well…alive. I think he would have gone trick or treating with his sister when they were younger because he was close to her and then troubled by her death so he must have spent a lot of time with her doing what kids do. And I agree with what nevillesgirl said about:
I too can see Dumbledore doing that and it is amusing in my head But when he got older I don’t rekon Dumbledore would have involved himself much in Halloween celebrations maybe because it could perhaps trigger memories of his sister or just a more simple explanation being that he (like we all do/will) grew up.

Good question Dan
I wonder who was Dumbledore-ette of the month, my guess is with...not telling

Awww... you can have him when Im done sweetie (you may be waiting a very long time though...)

Can you see Dumbledore, going trick or treats? Or joining in, in Halloween celebrations?
Interesting view there Dan... Its funny actually, how we all see Dumbledore in very different ways. some, that his cautious side would overide his pure fun side, others that there would be some balance...
I think he'd still celebrate halloween in some way though. I'm not a big halloween person, at least not the trick or treating side though, I don't really like the idea of knocking on somebody's door, and I do see where Dumbledore would be cautious. However... I do think he'd dress up.. and play tricks on people. Maybe dance a bit, drink lots of wine, eat lots of sickly food. Just generally enjoy himself.


ahhh!! Dumbledorette of the month!! Hang on.. Ill do that now. Soon.. either this month or next, I WILL organise some nice, fun activities!! ...
(thanks for reminding me... )

EDIT: Well technically, we have a three way tie, between anesches, nevillesgirl and workaholic... but October's Dumbledore-ette of the month is...
nevillesgirl!!
Yay.. go Amanda!! You came back from a little break , and earned your sherbet lemons well and true!! Insightful and a delight to read, as always- great to have you with us again!!
Most of the month has been pretty slow, but its picked up, and we've had some great contributions. I also wanted to say well done to ATB for some really interesting posts.
Also, to Mundu- you've added loads already, keep it up and you're a serious contender for next month's award!!


Clara}~

first off, congratulations to nevillesgirl, a well deserved one.

Can you see Dumbledore, going trick or treats? Or joining in, in Halloween celebrations?

I agree with some of you here, I think that when Dumbledore was younger he might try trick or treats on his classmates. But then as he matured, I think that he chose to celebrate Halloween only when he returned at Hogwarts to teach and as a Headmaster. As he likes music so much, he was mentioned to specially hired bands to perform and to entertain the students during the feast at the great hall. This is the way he would be joining the celebration music, delicious food, and good wine.

p.s. welcome to all the new members.

I really doubt that he did that because actually Halloween is a very...holy? ..or well at least an important day in the wizarding world
yet the Potters were murdered on Halloween which may have made the whole day for DD a little sad and he porbably thought about them rather than feeling well and dancing or doing tricks or treats...it was more a memorial day

I quite forgot about the question I left in my previous post.

So does anyone or everyone in the wizarding world know of this side of Dumbledore?

Knowing Dumbledore, I think that he never told anyone directly, though I would say that there were few who understood him. I would guess the likes of Minerva and Snape, Minerva, I think who knew him for so long and they did stay at Hogwarts for years and she was also known as a staunch supporter of him, she would have guess and understand him; Snape, I would say that they both experience the same tragedy on the aspect of love, so probably they understood each other’s emotions.

Anyway what really that still got me is the fact that Dumbledore was another character that experienced unrequited love and that he also loved that same person until the end of his life.

I thought of comparing the experiences of Dumbledore and Snape on love issues. (I post this in other thread; please bear with me if you have already read this.) Dumbledore did understood what Snape was feeling, because he himself had the same experience with Grindelwald, a love that is unrequited, they were both the reason to their love ones’ lives ending (one dead the other defeated and imprisoned), both have made difficult decisions in dealing with their love (one signing his death sentence to help Dumbledore and the other personally defeating his love one), and both endured loving them until the end of their own lives. Tragedy.

Any thoughts?

Hey guys, I've decided to join WAW. I've always wanted to but all of you seemed so..into your posts and deep in coversations that I didn't want to interfere...but here I am, butting in!

So anyway, congrats nevillesgirl on being Dubledorette of the month! I'm not exactly sure what that is but I'm sure its something fun!

Can you see Dumbledore, going trick or treats? Or joining in, in Halloween celebrations?

You know, its kind of weird because I'm eating Halloween candy as I type but I can very much imagine DD joing in the festivities. He's so fun and bouncy and I can imagine him walking door to door saying "trick or treat!" in a completely odd costume that no one would have ever imagined wearing.
Also, I agree with you guys on the "pulling a Fred and George" and pulling pranks, especially on Devil's Night! It's the sort of thing he would do, it seemed. But then again, like some of you mentioned, Lily and Jame died on that night...but I think he might be able to put that aside.

Now on to the more serious question of DD being gay...

You know, after I found out that he was I really didn't seem to mind. In fact, I kind of, I don't know, expected it. He is so unpredictable that it seemed to fit that he was gay. But on the other hand, to Grindlewald, the man he KILLED! I wonder how he felt after that fight, if he was glad or mourning...I know if I just killed my one and only I would never forgive myself, even if he does turn out to be a murderer.

So does anyone or everyone in the wizarding world know of this side of Dumbledore?

Well obviously everyone didn't, or eventually it would have gotten out. That sort of thing just doesn't stay a secret. But I agree with annesches, I think Snape would know, and maybe Minerva. And most likely Alberforth too. But Snape could probably relate to DD the most, with Lily and all. Then again, Snape didn't kill Lily, so DD's emotions on that would be stronger and more heart broken. Snape could sort of half way relate. And as far as we know, Minerva didn't have any love of her own, so she can' really relate to him that much.

But do you think Grindlewald felt the same way? If he didn't that would be kind of awkward, but he probably did. DD must of done SOMETHING in the months that he's known Grindlewald to show that he means more than friendship, and Grindlewald didn't stop being friends, as far as we know at least.

So hows that for my first post?

<3 Rachel

Hello and welcome bookworm101


It was actually Voldemort that killed Grindelwald, Dumbledore only defeated him and he was imprisoned in the numengard after. But all the same, it was an act that somehow ended Grindelwald’s life, as he was imprisoned for the rest of his life which is as much the same. Grindelwald was a brilliant wizard and locking him up is much worst than killing him immediately. But I think that Dumbledore wouldn’t do it or rather he can’t at the very last moment of their battle, because he loved him so much. Dumbledore chose to be selfish because he thought of himself only (any wizard like Grindelwald would rather chose death than to be imprisoned for the rest of their life), and unselfish because he wanted to give some chance for him.


He would be totally devastated as he knew from the very beginning that he would win and that’s the reason also that he delayed it until he can. So he won the battle, but then Grindelwald was to be imprisoned for the rest of his life and knowing him, he knew that his friend would rather chose to die.



I think jo said that it was an unrequited love so Grindelwald possibly didn’t felt the same way though. As far as I understand Dumbledore probably wouldn’t show his true feelings for him either. Kind of really sad, he just probably kept all those feelings deep inside him especially after what happened to Ariana, he had suffered lost and guilt. As for Grindelwald knowing anything about it, I think he might have felt it, although he chose to ignore it and pretend not knowing and continued his friendship and their plans together. For Grindelwald their plans for the future of the wizarding world matters more than any of their feelings.

okay so I am getting back at the discrimination thingy if this is okay

I am rereading the book in German and I noticed something very random but also something that prooves my first thought- that there is no discrimination against nationalities etc- was wrong!
Muriel says very clearly that she actually things Fleur is a great woman...but still.."she is French"..she does think like well..our society in a way
and if she does assess people just because of their nationality then there will also be people...maybe muriel herself..who will discriminate DD because of his sexuality..a reason for him not outing himself?

well.. you know my thoughts on the Dumbledore-love issue.. so i think maybe Ill approach this is a more general way. Yes.. both Dumbledore and Severus have been very unlucky, dissappointed in, and devastated because of love, and lost love.
I think, if nothing else, it has affected the way that they both approach love. It is beyond cautious, it is as though both of them didn't believe that they could love anymore.
I think Severus felt that he would for one thing, be betraying Lily's memory, as well as putting the person he loved in serious danger, again. What could possibly be worse for Severus than getting the woman he loved killed, again? And lets face it, he never exactly lived a peaceful, safe life.
As for Dumbledore, he may feel that once again, he would get too far into love, and lose his sense, and his control.
The memories that would bring back would also be unbearable for him- the mistakes he made and took so long to put right.

So both of them were cautious. Neither lived easy lives, and they both feared about the danger that they would be putting a loved one in. But were they overly cautious? letting past mistakes destroy any chance of love in the future? Maybe they could have had love.. maybe they missed chances, and both died, without knowing what it was liked to love, be loved in return and to live a happy life.

Hey Rachel!Im Clara - the founder of WAW, and I'd like to say welcome!! The dumbledore-ette of the month award is based on sherbet lemons.. these are like points, and i award them to you for really good posts, or good contributions, or something really interesting.. or if i set you tasks. We chose sherbet lemons for obvious reasons


Ahh, but he didn't kill him, just imprisoned him, as we are shown in deathly hallows, when Riddle visits him in his prison.
So I suppose that puts dumbledore and Snape even closer, love-wise...


I really do disagree. Even though Dumbledore never forgot the past, and as shown in DH, never forgave himself for it.. he would be celebrating the lives, not mourning the deaths of the potters.
He liked to enjoy himself, and whilst he would be respectful of the wizarding traditions of halloween, he would enojoy himself as much as he could- as shown by the halloween celebrations.

Please excuse the poor spelling and abysmal grammar in that.. im rather tired

Oh.. I think we should, as a little activity, write a collaborated rhyme about dumbledore. Basically... one person writes one or two lines, and the next person that posts, writes the next two or so lines and the poem/rhyme can go in any direction.. you can contribute as many times as you want, and if you just add your two lines at the ends of your posts (in itallics or bold etc) I can put it all together at the end. Anybody can start!
Sherbet lemons for any contributions!!
Or.. tell me if you think its a bad idea...

Clara}~

Hello there! I'm new to this thread and I really hope I don't mess the topic up. I'm going to try to keep up so that way I will never have to start cold like this haha.

So does anyone or everyone in the wizarding world know of this side of Dumbledore?

Now I assume that you are talking about Dumbledore's outing, though if I'm wrong, please say so because that would be embarrasing.



I agree with annesches on this, because although he probably wouldn't have told people, some probably would've figured it out. McGonagall and Snape are the 2 most obvious, as they both seemed to be very sharp, and able to pick up on hidden meanings.



Now I'm really sorry to contradict the founder of WAW, but I feel that this comment in a way doesn't make sense. It seems like you're saying that because Dumbledore lost at love once before, that he turned gay? In today's society that may make sense in cerain situations, though for the time that Dumbledore was alive, that seems very unlikely. Sorry for the vulgar language but that's the best way I can put it. Also if I am mis-interpreting the comment I am also sorry.

I want to comment on something other than Dumbledore's outing now.

Can you see Dumbledore, going trick or treats? Or joining in, in Halloween celebrations?



I love this comment! I believe the same thing, as Dumbledore was very unique in his personality and ideas. I imagine that he would be dressed as something very comical as well, because he had many quirks and it would be fitting if he was a big bird or something like that.



Again I completely agree with this comment. It just seems in Dumbledore's nature to do something like that!

Sorry for any spelling errors-I hate laptop keys- and I hope I have made valid opinions.

*I just remember clara's suggestion. If you don't mind, I do like the idea and I would start it off.

As the late night wind howled through the sky, a tall man in midnight blue strode through the street of lights. A swish and a click and the lights went out. Another swish and then...

Well that's how I'd start off. I left it open for new ideas. Good luck!

-Lauren

Welcome Ginny.Weasley I'm sure you will have a good time at W.A.W.

This thing on tirck or treats question. A lot of you seem to think that he would. I still stick by my decision but i suppose the more the idea is talked aobut i could see him joking. Afterall all kids do that. It's just so hard to see Dumbledore as a child sometimes. I think Harry thought that in Deathly Hallows.



A poem Clara or a story well as Ginny.Weasley as started it off story. I will continue it as a story. If i do it wrong or something please tell me. I think a story composed of all the emmbers of W.A.W sounds far more exciting any way.

So last part.



and then... darkness filled the once lit street. And the tall man, known as Albus Dumbledore strode forward. His long cloak billowing behind him and he seemed to be in a hurry...

Wow, no joke but that is who I thought would get it Well deserved nevillesgirl

Welcome to WAW bookworm101 and Ginny.Weasley

Great idea Clara but it’s okay if it’s a story right…

Well here its what as been written by Ginny.Weasley and Seriouslysirius
As the late night wind howled through the sky, a tall man in midnight blue strode through the street of lights. A swish and a click and the lights went out. Another swish and then... and then...darkness filled the once lit street. And the tall man, known as Albus Dumbledore strode forward. His long cloak billowing behind him and he seemed to be in a hurry...

(And now here is my part)

And he had a good enough reason to be in a hurry as he consulted his twelve hand wrist watch which disappointingly told him he was late. He continued down the darkened street, quickening his pace as time passed. The clouds above him rolled in anger as the coming storm moved closer to the hurrying Headmaster…

Thanks you guys for your warm welcomes!

Oh and thanks clara morgue about the Dumbledore-ette thing. I was a little confused on that. But it's a REALLY clever and cool idea!

My bad about the whole "dumbledore didn't kill Grindlewald, he imprisoned him" thing. I completely forgot about that. Sorry, my mistake!

Wow this story idea is a really good..idea!

As the late night wind howled through the sky, a tall man in midnight blue strode through the street of lights. A swish and a click and the lights went out. Another swish and then... and then...darkness filled the once lit street. And the tall man, known as Albus Dumbledore strode forward. His long cloak billowing behind him and he seemed to be in a hurry...And he had a good enough reason to be in a hurry as he consulted his twelve hand wrist watch which disappointingly told him he was late. He continued down the darkened street, quickening his pace as time passed. The clouds above him rolled in anger as the coming storm moved closer to the hurrying Headmaster…

My part...

And then the threatining clouds seemed unable to contain their rain water for another second and started to pour right onto Albus. "Great Merlin's beard, what a horrible time it is to rain!" he muttered anxiously.Then an idea came to him. He quickly Apparated to an old wizarding village otherwise known as Hogsmeade, and started hurrying to a particular bar, ignoring the hushed whispers form the passing villagers. Almost there...and then he stopped at an old, battered up, run down bar. Hogs Head, to be exact...

<3 Rachel

Ahh i forgot to welcome bookworm101so sorry there welcome to W.A.W. Ok so this story is coming along nicely.

The last part.



To be exact... He lingered on the steps for only a second longer and entered, looking behind him as he went. Albus sat in an empty seat quickly eyeing his watch again. Hmm. Perhaps he was not so late after all. But Severus would be if he did not hurry. Dumbledore drummed his fingers on the bar table as he waited. Then after a few minutes of nothing but that to entertain him... The door opened... And it wasn't Snape.
this is fun.

omggggg this is sooo cool.. its freeaakin funny

...Instead it was a man around his own height and with exactly the same clear blue eyes that Albus had. His brother Aberforth. Albus' worried expression turned to a smile. "Where have you been Aberforth." "Letting the cat out. Who are you waiting for? Surely not for me." "I am afraid, no. Severus is the one I wanted to talk to. He seems to be late." "He wont come." Aberforth had a serious expression on his face. "I am sorry?" Albus was utterly confused. "What do you mean?" "He wont come." "But why? How do you know?" ..

"Because he is helping me out of a uh...situation with my pet goat," said Aberforth rather sheepishly.

Albus shook his head in disappointment. Without Severus, the plan couldn't get off the ground. The door croaked suspiciously and Albus turned in dismay as James, Lily, Sirus, Remus and Peter strolled casually through the aging doorway.

"Thank you for coming on short notice. Especially you James and Lily, being on your honeymoon and all," said Albus with forced cheerfulness in his voice.

"Excuse me Headmaster," squeaked Peter. "But why exactly are we here?"

Albus couldn't help but notice that Peter was distinctly uncomfortable. Perhaps the ambiance of the Hogshead Pub was a bit to sinister for his taste.

"Yes, Peter I am sure you are all just about to pop with curiosity," said Dumbledore mysteriously. "However I really should wait for Severus to explain the details. Unfortunately he is um..."

"Right here."

Snape pushed his way over to the tiny booth, knocking over a pewter picture frame of a beautiful young woman with shining red locks and charming smile. The stench of wet hay followed him through the pub. Severus shot Sirius and James a look of pure loathing as he saw Sirius jab his best friend in the ribs and mouth the words "goat hair" to an otherwise amused James. Then he noticed her. Lily.

**Okay that was my part. But I thought it was supposed to be a rhyming thing??? That's Ok, this is cool.

Thanks to all who congratulated me on Dumbledore-ette of the month. Firewhiskey to all in celebration!!!

gotta grab one firewhisky and let's toast and drink

Welcome to Ginny.Weasley

hey we're starting a pretty cool story here. . .nice one guys

i' ll add my two cents. . .

“Hi Sev” said Lily cheerfully, though James scowled. The hatred etched in Snape’s face become soft and he smiled back to Lily. Then all eyes turned back to Albus awaiting and full of curiosity. Dumbledore then sighed and started to say something but then again was punctuated by the creaked of the bar door opening once more. All breaths were held as they weren’t expecting anyone now, the door continued to open slowly but no one came in. Aberforth stop gazing and move forward to see who or what opened the door, then as he stood in front of the door his face paled and his eyes full of shock. . .

p.s. this is fun

Oh yes nevillesgirl my god yes congratulations ... silly me I'm forgetting a lot lately.

Wow this story is coming along. Nicely. I'll do my next part then I'm afraid I will have to say goodbye for 2 weeks. As I am off to Florida. I can't wait to read the story when I come back guys. So my last post and the last part of the story...




Albus moved towards his brother in a swift sharp movement. Aberforth moved slightly so Albus could set eyes on the stranger. It was to whom no one but the Dumbledore family would recognize. And to this just cause Albus's eyes too widened in shock.
The little figure on the door was no mistakenly there sister. Ariana Dumbledore in the clothes she had died in. Was standing there in front of her two brothers. As pale as Death itself. Her eyes widened in darkened nightmares. Her hair had become flyaway. Deep blood red scars ran down the length of her cheek. Yet no blood actually ran down her frail body. Her clothes where ripped and torn. And she was swaying slightly on the spot, as if about to fall clean over. But neither brother moved to help.
Albus Dumbledore was for once in his life speechless...

I thought it needed to move even more into Dumbledore territory. When I come back I imagine the story might be finished. Or maybe not. But even it isn't can I request to Clara. If she likes it she could put it on the sire little by little so I can read it all in one big chunk when I come back. It's ok if you can't Clara no worries.

So... Goodbye everyone.

Wow well done guys, its coming along nicely... and hey it was meant to be a rhyme or poem, but it doesn't matter that its a story, its taken its own direction, and that's great!
I am collecting all of the sections together, and when we reach a natural end, Ill put it up on the site so you can read it in one 'big chunk' as Dan put it
A few things we need to be careful of though... yes, as Dan said it needs to be kept Dumbledore focused!! We also need to make sure we carry on the normal Dumbledore discussions as well, we don't want to turn the WAW thread into a fic thread. the only reason i suggested we do it thins way is because i thought it would allow people to add sections of any size... where was I? Oh yes, so lets keep some other DD questions running at the same time.
(oh and don't worry about posting the last section in your post)

So here I go...

Albus couldn't move. Beside him he was faintly aware of people moving, Aberforth made to move towards the girl, but Albus only stood in shock. Through his head ran images of that night, that dreadful night. She was dead, she had to be. Images of Grindlewald and his manic laugh flashed through his mind. These were joined by the picture of a boy, cowering in the corner, unable to stop his older brother from firing spells in every direction. Then there was the girl. Her scream. It echoed through his ears even now, resounding through his skull, the pain forcing Albus to his knees. He tried to open his eyes but the light was too bright. Eventually it subsided. The Hog's Head was gone...

Da da daaa!! what happens next??....

And a quick question for you.. this little story got me thinking. I can't remember if it said in the books, but what do you think Dumbledore did immediately after the death of his sister. What were his reactions?

Looking forward to your posts!!!
Ohh... I just realised I missed my one year Vtm anniversary.. I was going to post on as many threads as possible. Oh well.. next year.. hehe.

Clara}~

Nice question Clara!

Well, if Dumbledore was a normal person, he should have gone through all the normal stages of grief: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance, and adapting. I'm sure he went through the first few stages, denial that his sister was really gone or that he was somehow responsible for it. Given his age, there may have been a few dark voices that whispered to him that she would have died anyway or that she didn't like living the way she did.

Evidence of anger is plenty. Certainly Albus and his brother mixed it up, and if we are to believe psychologists, this is a normal, healthy stage. I don't know what they would say about the broken nose, though.

The entire business with the Hallows seems to point to the bargaining phase, Albus really believed he could bring Ariana back. And then, it's almost as if Albus never moved beyond that point. As if some small voice was constantly reminding him that he didn't deserve to be happy. I prefer to think of this as the real reason Dumbledore never formend any long term, permanent relationship with anybody. The demons inside his own head told him he wasn't worthy of anyone's love because of what he'd done (or allowed to be done) to his own sister.

I'm sure Albus recognized that Ariana was dead, but I get the feeling that he wasn't convinced it was a permanent arrangement. At least, not until his own impending demise. Then, finally, he was able to grieve over what had happened and accept it.

What do you think Dumbledore did immediately after the death of his sister. What were his reactions?

His immediate reaction was shock; he would go to his sister’s body and wake her up. There was Aberforth at the other side of Ariana also crouched down, finally realizing that Ariana was dead, he would then shake Albus and blame him, Albus wouldn’t budge, his eyes were full of tears while still holding on Ariana. He was in shock and as he turned Grindelwald was also in a state of shock, their eyes met and Grindelwald can’t look any longer and apparated, he was gone.
Realization hit Albus, his sister had died because of him, because of his ambition and his negligence in his responsibility. He felt a mixture of pain, grief, loss,guilt, aguish and sorrow. He had aged suddenly, guilt overwhelmed him, and sadness crept over him, such emptiness that he never felt before. He was left with the responsibility of taking care of his siblings so suddenly when their mother died unexpectedly and when he was full of dreams and was ready on board in achieving them. His flight to his ambition was cut abruptly and was stuck in Godric’s Hollow to baby sit his two siblings. But all he did was to continue his ambition with the aid of Grindelwald when they had met, now his sister died because he is so full of his plans and neglecting his responsibilities. However brilliant he is, the fact that he is the eldest and was left with responsibilities even if he doesn’t like, nevertheless he must accept and do it. I think that he knew and understood his responsibilities, only, he felt unfair and such a waste, because he knew he was brilliant and he has unusual plans and exceptional dreams to yet accomplish and to realize. A man with such brilliance is hard to be locked up like that.

Meanwhile, in the burial as was mentioned, Aberforth punched Albus, it resulted in his crooked nose. I think that Albus didn’t do anything with it because he knew it was his fault and he had accepted his mistakes and he knew he deserved more because of guilt. He left it like that as reminder of his fault.


Albus was back to Godric’s Hollow, to the day, the most terrible day in his life. He was witnessing the argument of his younger self, Aberforth and Grindelwald and the argument turned nasty, Grindelwald started to curse and suddenly spells were shot from their wands and bounded off everywhere. The racket awaken Ariana, she then came out screaming, eyes full of fear and she was uncontrollable, then one of the spell ricocheted from the ceiling and hit her squarely on the chest and she fell backward, lifeless and eyes still opened in shock. It was a horrible and sickening scene, it was painful enough once and Albus witnessing it all over again was unbearable, the pain felt a thousand folds, as he was unable to do anything or to undo it or to stop it from happening again. He was on his knees, tears dripping down the floor, then. . .

What do you think Dumbledore did immediately after the death of his sister. What were his reactions?
I think first when Ariana dropped dead there must have been an awkward silence..and then they tried to wake her up but when they realised that she was dead they started to blame each other for that. of course he felt horribly guilty and most definetly cried when he overcame the first shocked..I also think he already started to fight with Aberforth in that moment and was utterly shocked that the guy he fancied could be the murderer as well as himself and his brother.
Probably they put her body on a safe place and he tried to get some time for his own which he didnt get as Aberforth couldnt stop calling him names and wanting to get Grindlewald back who had left already as he was convinced that he was the one who killed her.
I am sure Aberforth knew about his brothers passion for GW or suspected it (its his brother..I dont know how it is between boys but me and my brother are like that..we always sense it..nearly smell it when the other fancies someone).
I am sure DD cant sleep for ages properly, suffers insomnia and thinks the whole night about the thing and GW..

Thanks for the welcomes!

Ok well I was reading the previous posts and I just wanted to say that I really like the way the story is taking, though I must say my first bit was a beginning to a different sort of poem, though I can't remember what it's called. Ah well the story idea is great and it's really coming along.

What do you think Dumbledore did immediately after the death of his sister. What were his reactions?

I've had to use my brains for this one!



I agree with this as obviously no one would have believed what was happening. After this I believe that they would have tried to revive her, and after that didn't work, the blame game probably would've started.

Most likely Albus and Aberforth would've started blaming each other, as it was their sister and Grindelwald would've just watched them. But then Aberforth would've mentioned the fact the Albus only cared about Grindelwald and that would've brought Grindelwald in the picture.

After Grindelwald fled, Albus probably would've started blaming himself and that's when he would've started re-playing the whole thing in his head and that's what started the guilt that would last with him for the rest of his life.

That's how I think it would've played out.

I won't add onto the story because I have no ideas and I don't want to wreck it. Until next post!

-Lauren

hey everyone, im not new to VTM but iv only just discovered this group - cant believe its taken me this long to find it but im so glad i have because now i can share my love of dumbledore!

so i guess i should continue with the discussion of What do you think Dumbledore did immediately after the death of his sister. What were his reactions?



i agree with this Ginny.Weasley as it explains a lot of his actions and all the guilt that he felt. he must have been very confused as well after the incident because Arianna was his sister yet he was in love with Grindelwald and as Gwenog said, as Aberforth probably knew about Dumbledore's feelings towards Grindelwald, he would have been angry towards him and this probably made Dumbledore angry and confused himself.
i reckon that dumbledore left in a very confused state after Arianna's death and it probably took him many years to recover to an extent as i think its evident, thorugh his actions and his character, he still feels a lot of guilt over what happened that day

(hope that made sense and sorry for not continuing the story that was started, it was really good i didnt want to spoil it and honestly had no clue what to write next!)

Ummm.... hello? Is there anybody there..? Its the 21st.. and apart from Priori Incantatem(Welcome, by the way, I'm glad you finally found us!!).. nobody has posted since the 13th!!.. myself included

Anyway... What do you think Dumbledore did immediately after the death of his sister. What were his reactions?
Great answers Elias, and Annesches- especially the part about Dumbledore aging- in the time after his sisters death, he would experience emotions he had never felt before, or even new existed. Not only would he have the guilt and the regret, not to mention the remorse, he would have experienced those emotions. Just that experience would age him. However, even though the guilt stayed with him, and he was never truly free from that, or peaceful. he gained a kind of wisdom, a wisdom that can only be gained through bad experiences. I have no doubt that the memory of his sister prevented him from doing something terrible in the future, even if it was an accident.
I can imagine that the build up to the funeral was a very difficult time. Aberforth probably held back in this time, and a tiny amount of his anger was released when he punched Albus.. They probably had support, but nobody that the pair could talk to, at least, nobody that Albus could talk to. After all, he was the strong one.

A little addition to the story..
...Albus collapsed to the ground in pain. Something was squeezing his lungs, pushing the air out of him and fighting its way into his body. He was suffocating, unable to fight whatever it was that was attacking him. White spots danced tauntingly before his eyes and darkness began to swallow him. A pair of eyes... and then darkness...

Clara}~

Hello fellow Dumbledore fans, I agree with clara morgue about Dumbledore gaining wisdom from that horrible accident because if that didn't happen then Dumbledore would probably have never changed. Ok now how about a new question - How do you think acually killed Arianna? If you guys haven't already talked about this. Personally I think that it was Grindelwald, no well I LIKE to think that it was him. I can't bare to think that it was Albus or Aberforth. That would be too sad.

Hello guys,
It’s been quite a while, where is everybody?

Who had cast that unfortunate spell that caused the dead of Ariana?

I would like to choose Grindelwald, I don’t want it to be one of her brothers. Neither would harm Ariana, but in the course of their fight against each other it was impossible to tell which actually had cast the spell that killed Ariana. But I think that Albus was in much guilt aside from him being the reason of Ariana’s fate was that he had also cast if not the killing curse but of some similarly spell of the same outcome.

Just thought to have a follow up question. . .

What would be Albus Dumbledore’s life have become when that tragic loss of his sister didn’t happen? This is the time when his ambition was cut short and he was babysitting his two younger siblings, what would his choices and decisions be and what would be his future?

I thought no one’s going to continue the story about Albus, hehe

Anyway here’s my addition. . .

Someone with a pair of red eyes was laughing out loud, a high-pitched endless cackle at the still form of Albus Dumbledore on the floor. The two figures where on a street in London, there was only a single street incandescent lamp illuminating the entire area, not much to see with the naked eye. The sound was a horrifying madness that echoes through the cobblestone walk and stoned houses on two sides reaching high above the street.

“Ah Dumbledore, is this much worst than dying? I thought not, but no matter death will soon become yours.” said Lord Voldemort enjoying every word.

A click and suddenly that single light went out, a whoosh and six figures appeared out of thin air all wands out forming an attacking position.

“Well, well, well, look who turn up, the members of the order of the phoenix, may I know your interest” mocked Voldemort.
“We are here to stop this madness” said Lily bravely.
“Do you?” said Voldemort with a sneer.

Then the body on the floor stirred.

p.s. welcome to the new members and keep posting.

hey again, i just wanted to add something briefly which i noticed (sorry im still going on about the last topic!)



i agree with that too clara morgue and i noticed something whilst flicking through GOF looking for that bit about priori incantatem... i found something Dumbeldore says which means so much more now (after DH) than it did when i first read it

dumbledore says to harry after he comes back from the graveyard - "if i thought i could help you by putting you into an enchanted sleep, and allowing you to post-pone the moment when you would have to think about what happened tonight, I would do it. But i know better. Numbing the pain for a while will only make it worse when you finally feel it"

i think thats really backs up what you said. i think he was talking about his sister at this point and it just shows that he did gain a lot of wisdom and deffinately learnt from his mistakes, so in a way i think that its saying that maybe he tried to ignore what happened at the time and it only hurt him more when he finally chose to accept it


but yea i though id add that... so the new question: Who had cast that unfortunate spell that caused the dead of Ariana?
hmmm i do really like to think, well if it has to be someone, that it was Grindelwald. i'd hate to think it was Dumbledore, i know hes not perfect but i just cant imagine it ever being him or Aberforth but then again judging by what happened to their relationship after its hard to say, it could go both ways annoyingly

Sorry for my absence...I have been busy lately with coursework, a science exam etc. I am sorry so now its time to catch up...

Right well firstly the story is coming along great guys, loving every sentence. I will contribute but not right now because I need to read it all again

Right now for the questions...

What do you think Dumbledore did immediately after the death of his sister? What were his reactions?
I think his immediate reactions were the shock and sick feeling twisting inwards to his stomach and his month as his sister’s body fell to the ground. He would have been so harshly hit with shock he would have become so distraught that he would have been immobilized by shock and sorrow. And his actions were for the next few days would have been sloppy and he would have seen nothing save for his sister’s murder which would have played in his mind as though it were embossed onto his eyes. I think that Dumbledore wouldn’t have done much after her death and I also think that he could have been so damaged by the vent that he would have became a mute for some time as he swam in his grief and disbelief.

Who had cast that unfortunate spell that caused the dead of Ariana?
Good question as, to me at least, it isn’t that clear who killed her. I personally think that it was Grindlewald as I don’t want to even think about the fact that it may have been either of the Dumbledore bothers plus I think that if it was one them J.K would have made sure we knew that as it would have greatly shaped the character.

That’s it for today from me

Yay!! people have come back to us...

Who had cast that unfortunate spell that caused the death of Ariana?
I know we all want it to be Grindlewald.. but as annesches said, it is pretty irrelevant in in Dumbeldore's eyes. The result was the same, and he was responsible for his sisters death whether the curse came from his wand or Grindlewald's.

What would be Albus Dumbledore’s life have become when that tragic loss of his sister didn’t happen?
he definitely wouldn't be the man he became. Firstly, he wouldn't have had that shock realisation that what he was doing with Grindlewald was potentially very dangerous, and it could have progressed into the pair of them fighting for the 'greater good', and nobody being capable of stopping them, rather than the way it turned out. In some ways, Dumbledore would have been much happier, because he would have had the chance to do the things he always wanted to do. However, he never would have accepted the post as headmaster, and I doubt he would have done the things he did at the ministry , or the work with flamel and his other discoveries may never have been discovered.
I don't like to think of what Dumbledore would be like if certain things in his life hadn't happened, because I think he is perfect, even with his guilt and troubles. Its difficult to imagine a Dumbledore that isn't scarred by his past, and doesn't have the wisdom and insight also gained from his past... its just not him

a tiny addition to the story...
Albus could hear his blood thundering in his ears, he had moved only a fraction, hopefully nobody had noticed. They couldn't know, not yet. His eyes flickered down to look at the grain of white light that was slowly growing in size, cupped by his hand. It had to happen now. It was the only way....

By the way.. I have no idea where this is going.. and my additions are put in purposely to make it more difficult for you lot Only 'cos I love you!

Clara}~

Go wild everyone i'm back!!!!!!!!!!!!..

Ok the thread hasn't moved as much as i'd thought it would have but i quess it's easier for me to catch up this way.

what do you think Dumbledore did immediately after the death of his sister. What were his reactions?

I quess shock as you prety muched described it on the follow up in the fan fic after my last post Clara. I quess he couldn't accept it had first. Like all the emotions and confusion crashing down on him. I imagine him paralysed. Dumbledore isn't stupid and he knows he would have to accept it. But to have it being possibly being his fault. He would want it to be a trick. I think horror rotted him to the spot but he must have came through and look at Araiana just to mkae sure. Just in case it wasn't a big horrible joke. I imagine Aberforth crdling her body. Blaming Albus.

Sorry short post but i did try. Honest.

It's great and not great to be back if you know what i mean. But i look forward to post more later.

Huge apologies for my absence...Im back now though...is that cheering I hear???

Ok, so I just wanted to add my two cents about Dumbledore and his sisters death. Consider this...is that the reason why we never see Albus kill anyone in the series? He didn't kill Grindelwald, in OOTP he didn't "seek to kill" Voldemort, was it possible that after witnessing his sisters death Albus was incapable of actually taking a life? What do you guys think?

As far as who cast that unfortunate spell that did kill Arianna, I am going to say that it was in fact Albus Dumbledore. *ducking from all the spells being cast in my direction*
Let me explain. He was obsessed with the knowledge of the dark arts and at this time he really didn't have a strong conviction about them yet. True he didnt agree with Grindelwald about his plan for using the spells but who is to say Albus never used them? I think it is possible that Albus cast that spell directed for Grindelwald out of reaction...like second nature and when it failed to hit its designated target, Albus realized how dangerous that branch of magic could be against the innocents of wizard and human kind alike. Look at it this way...in drive by shootings...the bullet is always meant for someone else but it always seems like the little child paying for a pack of bubble gum gets hit instead...I think it was something like that.

What would Albus Dumbledore's life had been like if his sister hadn't died tragically at that time? I think he would have had a very different life. He would not have devoted as much time to study as he did seeing as his sister required lots of supervision. His relationship wit Aberforth would not have been strained and he would have been responsible to see that his brother got a decent education and perhaps stayed out of mischief with goats Perhaps because his relationship with his brother would have been good, they could have shared the responsibility of caring for Arianna and that may have allowed Albus to persue some personal interests. Who knows...

I just want to insert another possible question and see if we can generate some discussion here...I know, the holidays are a busy time with finals and shopping but let us try shall we...

If any of you are like me, you were somewhat disappointed that the only role Albus Dumbledore had in book 7 was the Kings Cross chapter. My question is

HOW COULD DUMBLEDORE HAVE IMPACTED BOOK SEVEN MORE? WHERE COULD JKR HAVE AUTHORED HIM INTO HER STORY SO THAT WHAT SHE WROTE IN BOOK 2 (He [Albus] will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him) CAN STILL REMAIN TRUE?

What do you all think?

well, I think that she added him in just right because I think that it was time for harry to try and figure things out for himselfs, so if harry kept going to dumbledore's portait to figure out things then i personally would have been very sad. i still LOVE dumbledore but i think that the trio grew a lot in that time period because they didn't have dumbledore to help them. as for him never being gone as long as those are still loyal to him that was proved when the sword came to neville though fawkes.

... Right where are we ah. Yes. I thought I'd add more to the Dumbledore story which if I may so. Is heating up. Literally and metaphorically.
I'm assuming the body means Dumbledore.



Voldemort's eyes snapped towards Dumbledore weakened figure. His wand drove down in an arch, and flames began to lick themselves around Dumbledore. Soon a roaring inferno had trapped Dumbledore inside. Not one person in the vicinity could now see Dumbledore.
Voldemort smirked and turned towards the members of the Order, who all had their wands pointing at Voldemort in union... And they dropped their wands in union. All looking at the same spot. Albus Dumbledore walked through the circle of fire. Unharmed, not a scorch march on him. Wand raised he had a look of unknown fury upon his tear streaked face... And the glowing globe of white light secured tightly in his hand.



Too right Clara I just hope the next person to continue the story has good imagination.

HOW COULD DUMBLEDORE HAVE IMPACTED BOOK SEVEN MORE? WHERE COULD JKR HAVE AUTHORED HIM INTO HER STORY SO THAT WHAT SHE WROTE IN BOOK 2 (He [Albus] will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him) CAN STILL REMAIN TRUE?

Well i thought he impacted book 7 massively. Because even though his only real life part was in Kings cross. He had a certain sense of his spirit about everyone in the book. Everyone was talking about his life, his story. Harry was learning his plans. He was helping them from beyond the grave. With his will. It all seems that even though he isn't there, if anyone is loyal to him. He will find them in the end which happened finally with Harry. So I'm not sure he could have impacted it anymore. Than he had all ready.

I'm back! Yay! All is well again! Lets celebrate!

......Okay fine don't if you must. Carry on. I'll just answer these questions now...

what do you think Dumbledore did immediately after the death of his sister. What were his reactions?

I think he must have just stood there, staring, not believing his eyes. He stared down at her helpless figure, so weak and frail, her face peaceful. His watery blue eyes, began to fill with tears, and he glanced at Alberforth, who was raging with anger. His eyes traveled to Grindlewald's, expecting to see shame, sympathy, sadness, shock, something. But Grindlewald just stood, expressionless, and in an instant was gone. The instant he left Alberforth lashed out at him. "What have you DONE? You killed OUR SISTER! What is WRONG with you?" he was shaking so much that the whole house seemed to rumble.
"I know, it is my fault entirely. I am sorry," Albus hung his head, the tears dripping down onto the floor.
"IT BLOODY IS!! I just CAN'T BELIEVE YOU! Argh!" and with that he walked to Ariana, scooped up her little body gently, and stalked out, slamming the door behind him, and left Albus well up in his own grief.

I'll stop there before I get to into the...hey, it turned into a story!

Who had cast that unfortunate spell that caused the death of Ariana?

Thats kind of a hard question to answer. We love DD too much for him to take the blame, but it probably was him. He wouldn't have had blamed himself this much if it wasn't. Sad isn't it...?

HOW COULD DUMBLEDORE HAVE IMPACTED BOOK SEVEN MORE? WHERE COULD JKR HAVE AUTHORED HIM INTO HER STORY SO THAT WHAT SHE WROTE IN BOOK 2 (He [Albus] will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him) CAN STILL REMAIN TRUE?

I think King's Cross was perfect. It was the wrap up to the story, and it pretty much explained all of the unanswered questions that Harry had. I mean, DD was kind of in the story, all the clues he left and his past, half of the story revolved around him. Then having him come in more than once would have been too much for me. So I'm pretty much agreeing with Seriouslysirius on that one.

Sorry I can't contribute to the story much and my answers are kind of short but it's midnight so I'm half asleep...

Welcome new members!

<3 Rachel

HOW COULD DUMBLEDORE HAVE IMPACTED BOOK SEVEN MORE? WHERE COULD JKR HAVE AUTHORED HIM INTO HER STORY SO THAT WHAT SHE WROTE IN BOOK 2 (He [Albus] will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him) CAN STILL REMAIN TRUE?

I wished that DD would have left some advice or hint! I felt bitterly like Harry when they were clueless walking around looking for Hocruxes and Swords etc...I felt so sorry for them
moreover I would have wished that Harry was told DDs story by DD...maybe via letter or pensive...yes he should have get his memory as well..that would be a true proof of trust.
but in a way it remained true I think...DA was the best proof...all of them the OOTP and DA repersented DD because they were loyal to him..does it make sense? lol

HOW COULD DUMBLEDORE HAVE IMPACTED BOOK SEVEN MORE? WHERE COULD JKR HAVE AUTHORED HIM INTO HER STORY SO THAT WHAT SHE WROTE IN BOOK 2 (He [Albus] will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him) CAN STILL REMAIN TRUE?

Dumbledore’s presence was felt in the entire book seven. He’s life was discussed more deeply; we’ve come to learn more about him. Although he was gone, he’s tireless work, preparations and guidance in fighting the dark forces when he was alive was of great help they all needed. His presence was alive in the hearts of the livings, he was with Harry, Ron, and Hermione, and he was with everyone that turned up at Hogwarts that fight the last battle against Voldemort. He was indeed with them all the way to the end, as we’ve read his help was there all along, the plan of removing Harry from Privet Drive, Harry having the sword of Griffyndor, these sorts of help were immeasurable, as Dumbledore said ”help will be there”. So I think that he will always be there as long as there are those that remain loyal to him.

Adding to the story. . .

The light blinded Voldemort, it was all he could do for he had only a split second chance; he summoned the others and apparate. They landed back on Hogsmeade at doorstep of the Hog’s Head. Dumbledore almost tumbled forward, hands still clutching his heart, James got hold of him. Some silvery white smoke erupted from Dumbledore’s wand.

“It is time” whispered Dumbledore walking towards the castle.

“What are you trying to say?” asked James at his side, while everyone caught up.

“Let’s get inside the castle first” replied Dumbledore keeping his pace still more quickly.

They walk up to the castle silently, accompanied only by the swishing of their cloaks. As they entered the grounds their breaths became steadier, wands lowered, Hagrid and McGonagall meet them at the front door and they all climbed the marble staircase. Hogwarts was at it’s most quiet time, there were no students as it was summer’s break, they entered the Dumbledore’s office.

“Ah, the time has come” said Dumbledore as he settled down in his seat behind the headmaster’s desk and facing the rest.

The crowd all faced him, waiting.

McGonagall step forward and sit down in front of Dumbledore and ask “what had happened tonight? We received your patronus and as you said we waited at the great hall.” Dumbledore retold briefly about the disrupted meeting in the Hog’s Head and what had happened next.

Then “there’s something that I need to tell you, the Dark Lord is ascending, and what we witnessed tonight is just one of the weapons he is going to use in his rise to power” said Dumbledore.

“What is it?” asked Black and Potter at the same time.

“It is a most dark magic used in ancient times as a punishment to those that had used the killing curse, this is for them to see and feel remorse, but as we see tonight, Voldemort had progressed in using it” explained Dumbledore as his fingers tapping the other hand under. “He had used it instead to know the weaknesses of his enemies, thus being able to catch them at their most vulnerable” continued Dumbledore.

“What are we supposed to do and how are we going to fight it?” asked Lily.

“Ah that is what I was going to say in the meeting tonight, I was with Minerva and Hagrid when I found out about this” replied Dumbledore.





Yeah, you’re right guys. Just don’t know how this is going to end.

HOW COULD DUMBLEDORE HAVE IMPACTED BOOK SEVEN MORE? WHERE COULD JKR HAVE AUTHORED HIM INTO HER STORY SO THAT WHAT SHE WROTE IN BOOK 2 (He [Albus] will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him) CAN STILL REMAIN TRUE?



I agree in a sense that one underlying theme of book 7 was the Life and Times of Albus Dumbleore. His secrets were indeed divulged (almost all his secrets. ) But I was wanting more from him. I felt that a great wizard would have made more efficient preparation for his prodigy to effectively help them. I suppose that since he knew he was going to die at the end of HBP that he could have left more clues or help for the trio besides just leaving them stuff in his will that was going to get scrutinized by the Ministry. I figured we would have had access to his memories...he would have left that with Harry, somehow preserved so that Harry could view them and make up his own conclusions.

In book 2 when Harry said that he would never be gone as long as there were those loyal to him, we see DD coming back. He returned to the School as Headmaster and he sent immediate aid to Harry in the Chamber. I guess this is something I was looking for in book 7. I am not sure where it could have come from and at what point. Possibly at Malfoy Manor, Fawkes could have made an appearance or something to that effect. That is where I could see more of a connection, other then the Kings Cross chapter, which I love.
I hope I am making sense.

So so so so sorry guys.. Ive had a very busy, stressful few weeks.. but its alright, Ive only got another three to go!! Oh I cant wait 'till christmas...

Im hugely rushed.. so I apologise for a pretty useless post.. Anyway, really quickly on the impact question;
Like many of you, I agree that for the most part, Dumbledore impacted the book a lot; his past came into the light and his secrets were shared. We learnt a lot about him, most of which was very unexpected. However, as Nevillesgirl said, I was waiting for something more. Im not quite sure what that was.. but I just wanted that.. feeling that he was there. Maybe if Harry had been at hogwarts It would have been felt more. But I certainly was left slightly disappointed.

Ohh.. and the Dumbledore-ette of November is...

Mundu!!

Well done! Ill send you a pm with your icon shortly!(remind me if you havent got it by then end of the week )

The story is going great guys.. keep adding stuff.. as we move it towards christmas we could add some christmas touches..? just to make it more difficult

Clara}~

Oh wow this has made my day! In that case I'd better start posting here again . I'm very sorry, I've been stressed to the eyeballs with exams.

HOW COULD DUMBLEDORE HAVE IMPACTED BOOK SEVEN MORE? WHERE COULD JKR HAVE AUTHORED HIM INTO HER STORY SO THAT WHAT SHE WROTE IN BOOK 2 (He [Albus] will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him) CAN STILL REMAIN TRUE?

I don't think he really needed to impact the seventh book anymore than he did. The book was essentially all about Harry and his triumph over Voldemort. Harry was always loyal to Dumbledore, even if he doubted him at times. Dumbledore did have a huge presence throughout the book, with, as people have already said, all of his secrets being spilled etc. Dumbledore left the trio clues and made sure that his plans would be carried out as well as possible. I think that what JK said in COS did remain true, but could only be done subtly. He was dead, so there could hardly be any great force of DD's presence within the story without him coming back to life, which would have gone a little too far, I feel. I would definitely have felt hard-done-by if JK didn't put in as much detail etc in the Kings Cross chapter, though. Given that Dumbledore wasn't physically around, I was amazed at how much the book centred around him.

I hope that made sense... I just sort of chucked all my thoughts on the page without too much thought about sentence structure and all.

P.S. I do intend to add to the story, I'm just trying to get the whole thing in my head first

Oh my where is everyone? Clara...anybody out there?

Okay so it seems we need a new question. How about this one?

Do you feel that the news of Dumbledore's coming out will impact the way Micheal Gambon portrays Albus Dumbledore in HBP or Deathly Hallows? What do you think the strong point of HBP will be for Michael Gambon as he portrays Dumbledore? (Which scene?)

Do you feel that the news of Dumbledore's coming out will impact the way Micheal Gambon portrays Albus Dumbledore in HBP or Deathly Hallows? What do you think the strong point of HBP will be for Michael Gambon as he portrays Dumbledore? (Which scene?)

I guess there would be a deeper understanding for Gambon as for his portrayal of Dumbledore in the last two films. As for the outcome of his character in the films, there will be not much of changes if they stick with the book but there would be a different sparkle in the eye in the scene in DH when he was on the topic of Grindelwald; if they so much as include this scene in the final movie.

As for the story I’ll let others continue first.

It’s really a busy time of the year for me, maybe I’ll post a little more when the Christmas rush is over.

Sorry I haven’t posted on here for a while…I have been busy…anyway…

Firstly, congratulations Mundu for winning Dumbledore-ette of November, well dissevered

How could Dumbledore have impacted book seven more? Where could JKR have authored him into her story so that what she wrote in book two (He –Albus- will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him) can still remain true?
I personally believe that Dumbledore was involved in book seven as much as he could have possibly been. It is obvious that most of the plot circled around Dumbledore’s secrets, the items left in his will and how Harry doubted Dumbledore. A lot of what Dumbledore did and said and left behind was crucially involved with book seven for example Dumbledore’s ‘lies’, Dumbledore’s wand, the sword left in the will along with the snitch etc. I don’t think that Dumbledore could have been involved any more then he was otherwise the book would turn into “Albus Dumbledore and the Deathly Hallows featuring Harry Potter”. Also the fact that a portrait of Dumbledore remains at Hogwarts helps what JKR wrote in book two remain true because he is still there at Hogwarts and many still remain loyal to him even though he has passed away. Snape is a very good example of remaining loyal to Dumbledore even after his death, he made a promise and kept to that promise even though Dumbledore was gone and could not stop him if he changed his mind. Harry of course is another fine example of someone remaining loyal to Dumbledore although admittedly he had his doubts but that of course is human. So in answer to the question I do not feel that Dumbledore could have been involved more in book seven to make “He –Albus- will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him.” because I feel he was involved enough and that “He –Albus- will never be gone as long as there are those loyal to him.” does in fact remain true.

Do you feel that the news of Dumbledore's coming out will impact the way Michael Gambon portrays Albus Dumbledore in HBP or Deathly Hallows? What do you think the strong point of HBP will be for Michael Gambon as he portrays Dumbledore? (Which scene?)
A good question but difficult none the less Erm…I hope that it does not affect Michael’s performance as Dumbledore as I do not wish to see him winking at other wizards for example. I don’t think they need to include Dumbledore’s sexuality as to me it was not obvious until J.K said so therefore I don’t think they need to make it obvious in the films although I must say that for the seventh film they need to show a close friendship at least between Dumbledore and Grindlewald.

So I think we need more new questions in addition to nevillesgirl’s question…so here are a few…

--Do you think Dumbledore believe in anything after death (e.g. heaven, reincarnation etc)?

--What item would you leave at Dumbledore’s tome this Christmas?

I will answer after some of you guys have

So... shuffles feet... I'm back sorry.

Anywho we have questions galore.

Do you feel that the news of Dumbledore's coming out will impact the way Michael Gambon portrays Albus Dumbledore in HBP or Deathly Hallows? What do you think the strong point of HBP will be for Michael Gambon as he portrays Dumbledore? (Which scene?)

Well it wont effect him... or at least it shouldn't. I mean there has been no really hint towards his coming out in the films. So i don't see why there should be a problem with Micheal Gambon. I imaigne he'll just keep on playing Dumbledore as he sees him. And has been doing for the past 3 films. He might joke around on set though.
I think the storng point will be the confrontation between him in young Tom Riddle in HBP. Because he can play Dumbledore in a way that shows how much power and knowledge he has over bad people.

--Do you think Dumbledore believe in anything after death (e.g. heaven, reincarnation etc)?

Well i suppose he considered it as do we all do. I mean he must have had some knowledge of it, during the Kings cross scene in DH. He was planning that all along, so he must have known that some kind of erm... well thing. Can show us for what we are in the afterlife. But i don't think he would have believed in rencarnation or anything like that.

What item would you leave at Dumbledore’s tomb this Christmas?

Assuming i could travel into the world of Harry Potter this christmas... (That would be a fantastic present. ) I would probably place a book he liked or i think he would have liked there. Dumbledore was a thinker who liked to weigh things up before makeing his decision. And he liked his quiet time.. As we know he paced his study. I can iamgine him getting lost in a book really. So a book i think.