I seriously couldn’t find a topic on this so I decided I’d give myself a shot at it.

Okay, I recently re-read book 6 and realized at the end. Harry hadn’t retrieved his invisibility cloak. I believe after Dumbledore had died he remembered that it was up on the tower but he didn’t care.
He also didn’t go back for the Potions Book which is understandable considering that it had belonged to Snape and he was showing some extreme hatred towards him since day 1 and after Albus died.
What do you think?

Interesting point. I, too have wondered about this. I think you are right that he remembered, he just didn't care very much at the time. I think Dumbledore's death left Harry with a feeling of defeat and he wasn't worried about going and retrieving a cloak and a book. Compared to the loss of Dumbledore, the loss of these small items would seem very unimportant. This could, however, be a clue that he will go back to Hogwarts. I think he will at least need the cloak, and the book could help him, too. I agree with you, though, that he probably did remember. He just didn't care very much, at the time. I think there may be a time when he cares a lot more, though. Good point.

Gosh! I hadn't noticed that when I read the book. Glad I've posted on this.
It seems that I need to re-read the 6th book, anyway...

Maybe thid will be kinda important in the 7th book you know. JKR always surprises us with these little details.

You're absolutley right! I understand why he didn't go back and get his potions book, but his invisibility cloak?

As folks have said, I think in the wake of DD's death these things did not really matter to him much. Harry sounds like he's in a profound grief state during those days, especially the funeral day.

But in terms of the story, it leaves open not only the probability of his going back to Hogwarts, but perhaps meeting the house elf that I now believe was the one who gave him the cloak in the first place. I do not believe the note with the cloak was from DD (handwriting doesnt match).. In other threads I've postulated that James (who was wealthy) had a house elf who had the cloak and who was instructed to use it to get to DD (perhaps with Harry) if anything happened. At James's death, this elf may have been pre-arranged to work at Hogwarts, or perhaps the cloak counted as clothes and he or she was free but like Dobby chose to work at Hogwarts. That elf, I believe, is the one who brought the cloak back to him when he left it in the astronomy tower in PS when he sent Norbert away with Charlie's friends. No mention is made of DD in fact in any of these scenes, but things happen in the story that seem designed to direct our attention to DD (he's into astronomy, he talks about invisibility to Harry, etc.) so as to not think of the other possibilities.

So I think the retrieval of the cloak, from the hand of the elf, will be an occasion for Harry to learn about the night of his parents' death, as well as some background, and whatever else this elf can do.

The book, I have no idea.

Ohhh I disagree Pumpkinjuice

I think the handwriting looked a lot like Dumbledore’s. I also think if James had a house-elf Dumb would’ve known or Sirius would’ve known and have told Harry. That’s a little big of a secret to keep don’t you think?

Anyway he still asn't retrieved his cloak! Remember it's almost a necessity most of the time! Also remember that the Ministry went up to the tower - they probably took it. Then again, I guess Harry could just buy a new one; he's got enough gold...

Well, the note handwriting was "narrow and loopy" and the DD notes for Harry's lessons were "narrow and slanted". We know that Snape's handwriting was also narrow and something, so I think little differences are meant to matter.

I think DD definitely knew of this elf, and that the elf was the means of conveyance of the cloak to DD. My view is that James and DD had an agreement to have the elf work at Hogwarts until Harry was in a position to be his genuine master. DD's suggestion that Harry send Kreacher to Hogwarts would be a repeat of what they did with that elf long ago.

DD kept plenty of secrets from Harry, and so did Sirius, so I don't think that counts against the idea. There could be all kinds of reasons not to let Harry know he was elf-master, and Harry's squeamishness about being Kreacher's elf-master would nicely set up the tension of his learning that he had James's elf as well.

I'm kind of inclined to think the elf chose to work at Hogwarts because he was technically free, and not really Harry's, because of the cloak, which is clothing.

Hang on we’re starting to get off topic. Let’s get back to HP and his cloak and potion’s book before the Forum Administrators have our heads

This is on topic, since the "cloak" is perhaps what made the elf free, and the whole elf theory is all about his lost item.

One thought I just had after my last post was this: The MoM reports to Magonagall that they searched the 'crime-scene' so to speak. So now I'm wondering--would the missing item of the cloak have been picked up by someone before the MoM, or does the MoM have it now? Can't recall, actually, if they mention the cloak, but I do think they mention the two broomsticks....

True, Harry forgot the invisibility cloak. Well, I think that when he remembers (as he is bound to eventually in his Voldy battle) he will summon it. I mean, Voldy can see through them, but Death Eaters cannot (or so I think.) Also, it is possible that Rowling will have Harry already having recovered the cloak at the beginning of Book 7 because it just unnescessarily drags out the plot.

Well, I think it would a nice plot element for him to go back to the tower to get it, to see the spot again, and run into the elf....or to try and summon it, or look for it, only to encounter the elf. Granted my elf is theoretical, but if it turns out to be correct, that could really get book 7 going, since this elf would have memories that will really help Harry (since I'm thinking the elf knew of James and Lily's defiance of LV, and possibly about horcruxes, tho I am unsure why I think that...).

Classicalravenclawwriter,

I don’t think Harry would be stupid enough to summon his invisibility cloak. First off it depends where the final battle is or wherever the rest of the horcruxes when he needs his cloak. If it’s far away, I’m almost positive that muggles would be able to see and he’d be breaking the law yada yada yada.

I don’t think Rowling will have Harry just find his cloak. That would disappoint a lot of people (us who know this secret)

Yes, I didn't mean that per say. I meant, when he needs it when he returns to Hogwarts to find clues for the Horcruxes (if he does, but I think he will) he can summon it. I do not think he is going to be a bizzilion miles away and go "Accio CLOAK!" because there would be huge issues, as you said.

Also, I don't mean that when he is fighting Voldy that he is going to go call his cloak. I mean when he discovers it could prove useful to get past some obstacle or something; I think the cloak would be useless against Voldy.

I peronally think that it would be better for Harry to just get the cloak quickly and not make a big deal out of it becaues there are 4 horcruxes to find!



Anywho, sorry that I didn't clarify.

omg! i was so thinking the same thing. But, i agree with you in that I dont think he really cared about his cloak. But could that pose a problem for him in the future without it? And i dont think he ever wanted that potion book back after he discovered it was snape's. I wouuldn't want it back either after what he did to Albus planned death or not.

Yes, I think we all agree that if Harry went back for the potions book, he would be a twisted old looney. Well, that is, if he wanted it, not if he NEEDED it....

Oh he didn't retrieve the cloak
I don't think the Potions book matters so much as if he isn't going back to Hogwarts he won't need to know anything about Potions! As for the cloak I believe he would go back for it at some point before he went back to Privet Drive...it did belong to his dad afterall, and was given to him by DD. It's still important to him and he will still use it I'm sure, but at that point DD dying was more important than a material possession.
Or JK just forgot about it...minor detail sort of thing. What did we expect her to write?

"After the funeral Harry went back for his cloak" - It just wouldn't have fit anywhere.

Yea why didn't Harry go back for his cloak and Prince book? Of course it says that he didn't care at the time, but wouldn't give you some hope that Harry might go back to Hogwarts and retrieve the items and stay there?



*Sirius*

I never even thought about that...
I know why he didn't get the book back.. I mean who would?
But I don't understand why he wouldn't get back his cloak, since it was
one of the only things he has of his dad's....
hmm....

Miss Minerva Mcgonagall,
I think if Rowling forgot about it when she was editing the book she would’ve posted it on her website. Just like the fiasco with James coming out of Voldy’s wand in book 4 before Lily. She completely emphasized that was a mistake. She hasn’t done anything of that sort in this situation. My guess and many other people’s is that he’ll go back to Hogwarts to retrieve the cloak (perhaps he’ll get help on his odyssey for the horcurxes from fellow classmates?). Again, if Rowling didn’t realize it, she would’ve put it on her website by now. What is it about two years since book 6 has been released?

I have to agree with jiggery-pokery. I don't think it's possible that JKR forgot about it and still hasn't noticed. I think in all likelyhood it will be mentioned in the beginning of book seven. It could be really simple to just say something quick about him retrieving it the first time Harry uses the cloak. As far as the book, I think most people have already agreed that Harry won't ever get that back - and won't want to. After all, it belonged to Snape (who he hates) and he needed it for potions class (which he won't go to anymore).

Does anyone think it’s possible that someone will take the cloak? I mean Harry has always had Albus fetch it for him (on Dumbledore’s own accord). But Albus is gone! I think it might be possible that some bone-head like Zacharias Smith might take it and Harry will have to fight for it. As for the Potions book not likely for this happening as for its in the ROR where select few students know about and in a room with a cathedral high ceiling and as much junk as a junkyard.

Hm... Intersting thought. Well, I am not so sure for a couple of reasons. The first reason is that I have no idea some bloke would go up onto the tower after the incident, see Harry's cloak, and take it. It is a thought that someone could have picked it up and make Harry fight to get it back, but I seriously doubt it.... It could have been picked up, but I don't think that that will be a main point of Book 7, do you?

It is interesting to see that many people see it as Harry not caring about the cloak. Maybe a better way to think about it is that he cares MORE about DD's death and the events surrounding that. After all the cloak was his fathers, and he is told how rare and special it is to have. He may have gone to get it later, we just weren't told every little detail of his every little movement. Lets hope so anyhow... it will sure come in handy in the year to come.

Harry at the time had a lot on his mind and I think the last thing he was thinking about was the cloak and the potions book, although both are highly useful as we have seen. Maybe he'll just say "Accio Invisibility Cloak and Potions book" I think that there is a slight possibility that Harry will go back to get it or perhaps there's the off-chance that somebody retreived it while they were there and will give it to Harry later on. However, if not then I think we've seen the last of the cloak and the potions book.

Maybe there is a reason that JK doesn't want Harry to have the cloak any more...
Aren't we supposed to find out why Dumbledore had the cloak in the first place in DH?
I think that maybe Mcgonnagal (not sure on spelling) may send it to him... I hope so... I loved the cloak.

The question is though did Minerva even know about the cloak? I really don’t think she knows that Harry has one. Well maybe since she’s part of the order and a bunch of people of the order know but it really wasn’t mentioned directly in the book if she knew.

Also in my first post : a bunch of people went up to the tower but so far we know that no one found it. So, does Minerva even KNOW it’s there?

Jiggery, you bring up a really good point. I would have thought that Minerva would be a really good candidate to give Harry the cloak, but I don't know if she does know about the cloak. I think it's a possibility, though, because the Order had to tail Harry, and knowing that he had the cloak would be a very essential piece of information. I vote she knew about it.

Also she’s the only one left in the school that’s part of the Order. (Is Flitwick part of the Order? I don’t think so). So, no one else knows at hogwarts. I don’t think the cloak will be sent to him. He’s got to go back to Hogwarts and retrieve it like a good boy

well it kind of implies taht he's going to get the invisbilty cloak back i mean JK doesn't have to write "and Harry gto the cloak back.." it's kind of logical don't you think

and the potions book, Harry won't want knowing that it once belonged to Snape so...no

It seems, as I suggested a page or two back, that the cloak disappeared between the events of that evening and when the MoM folks inspected the tower/crime scene.
We know that the folks who clean up the school are the house elves, and we know that Dobby has mentioned being willing to "throw himself from the tallest tower" if he disappoints Harry. So I think Dobby or the elf I speculated may have belonged to James or some other elf perhaps grabbed the cloak to return to Harry at some point.
I think the elves, rather than DD himself, at least conveyed the cloak to Harry in the first book (I doubt DD does his own deliveries). They are the 'unseen emissaries' of Hogwarts.

pumpkinjuice, I think that is a very interesting idea! That could be right! I mean, that is true that Hogwarts Elves inspect and take care of the castle, but then again, that could not work. Dobby could play a crucial role in giving Harry the cloak back, but what if it lands into a rouge house-elf? Isn't there such a thing?

Hey, I just had a thought? Book One, Harry gets the cloak. Then, it is returned from the tallest tower, right!? During the Norbert scenario ? It says, "just in case." That would be funny if that happened again! I mean, we never know who returned Harry's cloak, or so I think. I think that is a possibility, perhaps. It's not likely, but it's not unlikely either..

I cannot remember all the times that Harry has left his cloak somewhere only to have it returned. Sometimes annonymously, sometimes not? If JKR needs him to have his cloak, she will see that it gets back to him. However the book that was mentioned in post one, is an interesting matter. We know that Snape scribbled other things than just the directions for improving on the potion recipies. What if HP knows to get the book back and study it for hints and clues as to how Snape actually feels about the DD/LV division.

At the time of his writing Snape would likely have been tending toward LV, because of Snape's past, and his hatred of James. This would lead Harry to one of his famous (or infamous) wrong assumptions if Snape is truly a spy for the Order. I think Harry will bounce by the room of requirement if only to return to the scene of the crime. He will retrieve the book in order to see if the HBP will help him defeat LV.

yeah but most people reckon DD returned it then *he has eyes and ears everywhere*, but DD can't do that now because he's dead *starts crying hysterically*
McGonagall will probably find it and return it - does she even know he has a cloak?
I reckon Harry will need the cloak so somehow JKR will get it back to him it's as simple as that really, i mean she's not just going to say..
"Harry walked into the graveyard. Voldy saw him and killed him. Harry Potter, the chosen one, died of being forgetful."
Well i hope she doesn't anyway !
.X.

Okay. Here is what I am thinking about the potions book: I am now thinking it is possible for Harry to go back to the RoR and get it, and it wouldn't be twisted. He could try to find anything to get inside Snape's head and figure out what he is feeling. That way, he can make the judgement if he can be trusted. Either way, he hates Snape as much as Voldy... I don't think that the book thing is likely, but it's possible at least.

About the cloak: yes, we never know who returns the cloak to him, so I am going to assume for the intents and purposes of this chat that it isn't DD. It might be McGonogall, but that raises the question of who told her Harry had a cloak and if she knows about it. I think that the entire Order knows about the cloak because they have to track Harry in book 5. So, knowing he has a cloak would be really important! On the other hand, the side I am almost on, DD trusts Harry, and he knows Harry won't use it unless it is necessary. If there is a dirty order member, they shouldn't be able to know about the cloak. Maybe it was DD's safeguard, and he believed Harry could tell who he liked. Yeah, I am thinking that now.

About the entire "Harry dies because he forgets;" Voldy doesn't play that way. I mean, even DD knew that! He said to Harry, "No, Voldy won't want to kill whoever is on this island immediantly" or whatever. Voldy wants satisfaction, and saying Avada Kedabra and not saying anything doesn't do it..... Anyway, that's why we have Hermione! She won't forget... no comment on Ronald..

That would make sense. That potions book was pretty big and could've had ANYTHING inside it. Possible bits of info on Snape's past perhaps. A key to one of Voldemort's horcruxes? I think there are ups and downs with this book. Reasons why Harry won't go back for it and why he will.

Too true, jiggery. I think that JKR must love making us all go crazy. Yes, on one side, you have that Harry hates Snape more than Voldy himself, Snape killed DD, occlumency lessons, and Snape hated his father. And, a lot more in addition to that. Then, on the other side, you have that it wasn't Snape trying to get the stone, he saved Harry's life, and Harry might want to know more about Snape's past. It's twisted! Then again, it might be that the book issue never even comes up in book 7; we cannot know... drat!

I just thought of this -

Is it possible Harry will even need the Invisibility Cloak anymore? He'll be comingof age and won't need to hide from anyone anymore unless perhaps he needs to sneak off and find horcruxes. But honestly, Harry can't just pull out his cloak in a duel with Voldemort and be like "Ha you can't see me." I bet Voldemort can see right through cloaks like Mad Eye and can't Dumbledore too (it was hinted in book 2)? Even if he can't it'll be hard for Harry to get away as for he's much taller, running won't stop the cloak from swishing and revealing your ankles, and Voldy and the Death Eaters could just feel around.

jiggery-pokery, I suppose that you do have a point about Harry not nescessarily needing the invisibility cloak anymore. I mean, you're right that he won't need it, most likely, to duel with Voldy, but I think he will want it. He might need it for other wizards, besides Voldy, and it belonged to his father. That's a big enough reason for me, that it belonged to James.

Yes I agree. He'd probably want it because it's the only known relic of his father's (besides gold). Is it possible there's something of Lily's out there that Harry'll want?

Well, I think that Harry isn't going to go crazy about the cloak if he doesn't have it, but I think he would brave dangers to get it back. As of the Lily question, well, I don't think so because the cloak plays a huge role, and I think that JKR wouldn't spring a random object on us. I mean, the cloak has been with Harry since year one, so I don't know about the Lily thing. You do have a point, though.

And for the beginning, does gold really count as a relic? I don't think so; gold doesn't remind him of James.

Well, as for Harry didn't make the gold or work for it, I'm sure whenever he sees his gold it reminds him briefly of his parents. As for Lily's item, what if something he already has had once belonged to her - (Do the Dursley's still have the basket and blankets Harry was in when he was a baby)

By the way, I think we're starting to get off topic, my fault.

i didn't notice that in book 6. maybe it has a part in book 7

I find that completely and utterly unrealistic for Harry to be reminded of his parents when he sees the gold. I will admit, in Gringotts, that that is what happends because his parents left him that and everything, but I think that when he spends money, I don't think he remembers his parents. When he goes to Gringotts, yes, but when he is buying spell books, no. That's my impression, anyway. Even if it's true, gold really isn't a relic of any kind. Agreed?

that is extremely weird. I always thought Harry would go back for the potions book but I guess he wouldn't want it now. Hmmm....

Perhaps Harry retrieves the objects but JKR didn't say when. Think about the map he left with Barty Crouch (posing as Moody). GoF never says he took back the map, but in OotP, Harry has the map.

that is a good point yes. It's important to know that J.K. Can't incldue every moment of Harry's life or the book would be uber long (not to mention dry and boring). I don't know if anyone has noticed this but I don't remember Harry ever going to the bathrooom. Maybe that's not important or relevant to the story but I always thought Harry never peed... lol.

I'm pretty sure that the objects in question are more important than when he used the bathroom. His bowel movements are not important, but picking up the map is. Do you see the difference?

Haha! Me too!



That's a good point but personally I think the cloak is more important to Harry than the map was. I mean people like us, if Rowling doesn't just says he already has it, will be like "Um JK I think you forgot something." I also think the cloak is too much of an important item to just throw in as a second thought like "Then Harry was packing his trunk with his map and cloak..."

Hmm.. Intereresting debate. Well, I personally think that the cloak was more important too, but I could totally see how it could be argued two ways. I think that, in book 7, the cloak will probably be more important because Harry isn't spending it at Hogwarts, and the map only shows Hogwarts really. So, I think the cloak will be more important also because that was personally James'; no one else had it or helped make it. To me, it seemed more like the cloak was James' and the map was a lot of different peoples. Thoughts?

CRW

Of course he still has his cloak, even if the book does not mention it, he surely got his cloak back