babyharmony
Aug 10 2004, 10:24 PM
All of you have really great theories about Sirius's Fate, and the death chamber. =) Here's mine:
I think Sirius is dead, but there's still that little itch in the back of my head, maybe he isn't dead?
JKR said on her website that the mirror Sirius gave to Harry has signifigance in books 6 and 7. What is it do you think? I thought maybe Harry would "Slide" the mirror past the veil, but then I thought "No, why would JKR make something that obvious?" So I lie confused.
JKR also said that something small in CoS will be huge in HBP. Could it be that maybe, the veil has a connection with the CoS? If so, what is it?! Maybe Sirius fell though and is actually just lurking through the CoS, but this is highly unlikely, so forget I said that =D
Remember what Luna Lovegood said at the end of the book? "It's not as though i'll never see Mum again, is it? Oh, come on. You heard them. They were just lurking out of sight, that's all." WHY did JKR make Luna say this? Is she just throwing dung at us, or does this really mean something?
Tell me what you think! =D
suprbookwrm
Aug 10 2004, 11:03 PM
man, i dunno...*scratches eyebrow in confused manner*
i think that this subject is a bit touchy. i mean, Sirius' death...well, was it really death? did he only disappear behind the veil, but can come back sometime?
i can't remember which fan fiction, but one of them had Sirius being able to use the mirror on Halloween because of the veil being thinner for that 24 hours. Harry talked to Sirius through the mirror, i think. like, Dumbledore told him about it...i can't totally remember, though... i think it's a pretty cool theory.
oh well. i guess we can speculate all we want, but we won't know for sure until the next books come out.
you know, fan fiction is a great way to spend the time waiting for the next books. there's some pretty good ones on this site.
and i think that Luna saying that thing about seeing them again definitely meant something.
oh, and as for the relation of CoS to HBP, i just have to read CoS again soon to try and figure it out.
later,
suprbookwrm
Jeff
Aug 11 2004, 06:40 PM
yeah i rebermer that fan fic too what was it name. i like your thory on th vale and cos. but i haerd at the deathday party one of the ghosts mencen a vale but i have read that a lot trying to find i am going to go get the book read that part of the and i will u want i find out
ok all i found out was that there are black velvet drapes at the door to the room and the talbecoth was black velvet.the drapesmay seganfey death.the vile is not said oenc in that chapter i think it is the drapes i but we won't know intill j.k. wants us to
pots13
Aug 12 2004, 03:36 PM
Er, well the fanfic was called Harry Potter and the Green Flamed Torch (jk) [see my signature]. That's pretty cool that someone actually remembered my writing. I dunno, there are a bunch of references to veils in myths, although the majority refer to the veil between the world of the dead and the living (a living person in the world of the dead? It's been done before). There is a reference that says that the veil between the living and the dead thins on Hallow's eve, so I used that. There is also a reference to this in a book about King Arthur I read by Bernard Cornwell, about on (I'm not sure what they called the day), the veil thins, and the dead walk the earth for a night (just a thought).
suprbookwrm
Aug 29 2004, 03:18 PM
oh yeah. i thought it was yours, pots13. i wasn't sure, so i didn't say it was.
severely_severus
Aug 29 2004, 04:14 PM
| QUOTE |
| i can't remember which fan fiction, but one of them had Sirius being able to use the mirror on Halloween because of the veil being thinner for that 24 hours. Harry talked to Sirius through the mirror, i think. like, Dumbledore told him about it...i can't totally remember, though... i think it's a pretty cool theory. |
There's only one problem I see with that... both parties need a mirror in order to communicate with each other don't they? If Sirius's spirit or whatever is captured behind that veil, would he still have the mirror and be able to communicate with it?
I know the mirror is supposed to become important but those are just the questions I had with that particular theory. Though I'm not exactly sure what else to suggest...
I guess its possible that shadows of the past could have been captured within it, so that Harry will be able to get glimpses into the past... but I don't imagine them to be as good and free as they would have been through a penseive...
stupid_cat
Aug 29 2004, 07:06 PM
I don't think that there is any connection with the HBP and the CoS because JKR said that all traces of that storyline were completely removed from CoS. Though, if you're talking about the actual Chamber, then I've never heard there was a connection to that and the veil. Do tell! lol
mcgonagall
Aug 29 2004, 10:50 PM
I think what I read about the connection between CoS and HBP is that Harry made a discovery in CoS that will be expanded upon in HBP. I'm not sure where I read this, so if anyone else can verify this, that would be great. I think I might have read it on JKR's site. I'll have to check.
Louise
Aug 30 2004, 10:24 AM
What she actually said was that something Harry discovers in CoS (the book, not the chamber itself) foreshadows something that he discovers in HBP. I can't find the reference now...have a root around on the transcript chats on the main site, I'm sure they're there somewhere....There's a whole thread on all the links that may exists between the two around here somewhere as well....
Ah, here it is...
Ties Between Books 2 and 6 Well...that one got a bit off topic actually...try this one as well....
Does Anyone Have Any Interesting Book 6 & 7 Theories?Have a flick around on all the pages, 'cos sometimes the conversations do get a little sidetracked...mansoorkhan had some good ideas....see what you think....
There are loads of theories over there about all the possible connections. If you've spotted any more though or you have anything to add the ideas posted, I'm sure everyone would really love to hear them over there...'cos, to be honest, I think the new theories have been drying up a little bit!!
Nivaya
Aug 31 2004, 03:44 PM
Well my obvious thingy would be that Harry finds out more about Voldy's *looks round to make sure JKR isn't looking* origins, like in CoS...
But that is a pretty obvious one, isn't it? >.<
Jeff
Sep 28 2004, 07:37 PM
i think that the vail is a link to the cos and that siruis might be there
Sally-Anne Perks
Oct 4 2004, 01:23 AM
mcgonagall, I remember reading that somewhere, too. I actually think I read two things about a link between CoS and future books. One was that Harry learns something in CoS (this is what JKR said the link between CoS and HBP is), and the other is that something small in CoS will play a bigger role in future books.
For the first one, it could be anything that Harry learns in CoS. However, the link DOES NOT have to do with the HBP. JKR took everything related to the HBP out of CoS, so the link will be related to something else. As for what it is, I have to reread CoS and make a list of everything that Harry learns (other than not to set pixies loose. Then again, maybe the key to HBP will be that it's a bad idea to set pixies loose...)
The "small" thing that will be important could by Ginny Weasley. I know that a lot of people think "small" means a small detail, but JKR always chooses her words carefully. "Small" could mean something that is physically small in size. Ginny is frequently referred to as being little. From the events in OotP, we can tell that Ginny will be more important as the septology continues. I believe that Ginny could be the "small" thing that will be important.
chocobeer
Oct 9 2004, 10:28 AM
[COLOR=orange] Nayy... i think sirius is dead...but i LOVE him, really...gr8 character, gr8 looks, gr8 friend, gr8 godfather and sure would ve made a gr8 husband...but alas, he ded...i don think h'll be coming back...he's gone for good...
as for the CoS link, i read JKR say that too...i always felt and wished harry would go back in to the chamber...i wanted to see more of the basilisk...but mind u, this time it would rotted...they didnt do nothin about it..just left the huge thing to rot....man, is it gonna b ST!NKYiiii best o luck harry!!!
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lupin22
Oct 10 2004, 08:48 PM
i think that the connection will be either harry finding out that hes a parselmouth, or harry finding out that tom riddle is voldemort. i support my first idea strongly. ithink that maybe in the 6th book harry will find out another connection between himself and voldemort that will impact him.
taks
Oct 10 2004, 10:32 PM

hmm I don't quite understanad what you are saying. Harry will find out what a parselmouth is again? Could you explain a little more clearly? I always thought the connection was going to involove Chamber of Secrets (the place)....
lupin22
Oct 10 2004, 10:55 PM
sorry i wasnt very clear.
Jkr said on her site , " the link i mentioned relates to a discovery harry made in CoS that foreshadows something he finds out in HBP".
what i meant is- i think that the discovery she is talking about is when harry finds out he is a parselmouth. DD tells him that being a parselmouth is a power of voldemorts that was passed to harry when vold. tryed to kill him. I think that in book 6, harry will discover another " power" or something that voldemort passed to him.
i hope i explained that better
sorry about the misunderstanding
taks
Oct 11 2004, 12:05 AM
It's alright, I understand now.
Wow, I haven't thought of that yet. Seems possible, even likely. Hmm, I like that one.
Jeff
Oct 11 2004, 06:18 AM
very well could be i agree with taks about COS the place
BTW taks that banner in the sig is cool
Moony loves AC/DC
Oct 11 2004, 09:05 PM
I think the discovery is that he is parseltongue. I think he will discover that it has many uses and that it is the mark of a powerful wizard. Could this possibly be a for shadowing of Harry being an animagus that is a snake? hmmmm... i wonder...
ahola
Oct 11 2004, 10:09 PM
I always thought it might be something very... subtle. Just a clue JK dropped in the books that didn't matter in CoS...
Maybe it is Parsletongue though
Lily_Potter_1243
Oct 12 2004, 09:34 PM
I a bit confused...How could harry be a animagious and not know it?
Louise
Oct 13 2004, 09:07 AM
Well, he coudn't....being an animagus takes work and time. What I think was meant there was that the connection between CoS and HBP is something that Harry discovers about himself in CoS - ie the fact that he is a Parselmouth. Obviously, he can't discover that again, but he might find out that he has another hidden power that may have been passed to him from Voldemort. And Moony wondered if being a Parselmouth might possibly foreshadow a future animagus form that Harry might take - ie a snake.
And, actually, I happen to think that's a pretty good possibility for Harry...should he ever decide to become an animagus. Snakes are highly misunderstood and misrepresented animals, you know. And something Lucius Malfoy said to Harry in OotP made me think about that a while ago....something about the way Harry manages to wriggle out of trouble being quite
snakelike....
Mmm.....
Anywho, off topic again....sorry.....
Just thought that a bit of clarification was needed over here....

EDIT : I'm locking this because there are several other threads on the connections between HBP and CoS, but I won't delete it because there are some interesting points raised here.
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