Think about it, if Voldemort is the most powerful wizard aside from Dumbledore, wouldnt he also think ahead? like, if he knew that dumbledore would one day figure out about his soul spliiting action, wouldnt he take precautions to sort of dupe him into thinking he had already took one out.

The "locket" was really well protected, as was Marvolos ring. both were protected by enchantments that required the person hunting them to give something up. mostly. well, why was the diary just there? if indeed it was really one of the horcrux's, wouldnt it have been protected by something better the lucius malfoy? instead of just giving it to Ginny, wouldnt it have been better to get one of his death eaters (IE Pettigrew) to activate it himself, and then get Voldemort back to power by his followers soul rather then ginnys? it wouldnt have failed as badly as it did if it were away from the school and by his deatheaters. the amount of things that couldve went wrong made me think that maybe the diary was really a dupe, to make harry think that he had one of the seven gone already. then when he faced him, hed still be immortal, and just pwn harry. i dunno, im confused and sick, and also, i dunno if this is already a topic. but if it is, sorry, i havent been on here in a while.

It is true that there is a lack of protection around the diary, but you see that was all very well explained. It is possible that there are decoys, but I am certain that the diary was indeed a horcrux.

Voldy gave the diary to Malfoy temporarily for him to guard. You must remember, Voldy chooses his spots and items most carefully, so he was still at that point. Then, however, the entire Harry think happened, and Voldy lost power while Malfoy still had the diary! Of course, Malfoy didn't know it was Voldy's soul, because that would be a huge breach of security for Voldemort. What if Malfoy's loyalty turned? All sorts of things could happen, but Voldy had to give an explamation to Malfoy that it would open the chamber.

As we know, Malfoy selfishly ditched the diary trying to get rid of it and incriminate Weasly in one stroke.

It's lack of protection wasn't planned. A mere memmory doing all of the things Riddle did is impossible; it has to be a horcrux. I do love the idea of a decoy horcrux though! It just cannot be this one.

Yes, I agree with that first post. Malfoy did not know anything about the diary except for the fact that it would open up the chamber again. Voldemort, clearly believing that it was safe in Malfoys care, didn't think that anyone would have been able to open it.

The diary is also the main reason for Dumbledore believing that Voldemort made horcruxes. Also, the diary had to be a horcrux because how could there be a young Voldemort inside of it?

~Filius~

actually, i forgot about the part where they talked about the diary and how it was the main clue in how he knew he made horcruxes in the first part. hm. that makes it better now.

I highly doubt that the diary was just a distraction, but good idea. I agree that there could be distractions and decoys, but the diary is really a horcrux. I don't see how all of the memories and all of that could have been in the diary and how Lord Voldemort could have been in such control over all of that, if it weren't a horcrux. That is a good thought though. Maybe there are decoys. I don't know if Voldemort would think to do that though. Then again, he is one of the most brilliant students to ever pass through Hogwarts, so he very well could.

It is indeed possible that the diary was just a distraction. However, in such a case Tom would not have been absolutely furious when he learnt that the diary was destroyed. The diary was meant to facilitate the opening of the chamber of secrets and Malfoy was supposed to use it only after receiving a go-ahead from Tom. In stead Malfoy chose to dump it on Ginny Weasley for several reasons: a) He could get rid of an potentially incriminating magical object as he did with those poisons; He found that a good opportunity to pursue his agenda of controllign Hogwarts and eliminating muggle-borns there and c) He found that a perfect way to indict Arthur Weasley.

The diary was not protected with the usual enchantments because Tom wanted someone to read the diary and possibly write into it. That would make him stronger and acquire a corporeal body. In other words the diary was meant to be found. Other Horcruxes were meant to be protected and not found, so he put all sorts of enchantments over them.

I am of the opinion that there will be no "distraction" horcruxes. LV thought or thinks that he is the most brilliant wizard that has ever stepped foot on earth, and there fore, no one would ever know about his genius plan to make horcruxes, and if someone were to ever find out that he did make them, nobody would think that he had made six. I forget if it was Slughorn or Dumbledore in HBP that said to the normal person splitting your soul into seven would be unconscionable. Then if we pursue that thought a little bit further, if anyone did ever find that LV has more than one horcrux, they would never be able to get past his brilliant enchantments (if they were ever able to find it in the first place).
And then I have to agree that Lucius never knew what the diary actually was. If he did, it is safe to assume that it would have gone in the "hiding place" under the drawing room, if not someplace even safer. If I recall correctly LV was quite upset that Lucius did not wait for orders to put the diary back into the school, but I could just be making that part up. LV figured that in leaving the diary with Lucius he had a pretty safe bet. It has been shown fairly clearly that the most important thing to Lucius is pure blood and being a part of the upper wizarding class, so to speak. So it is safe for us to assume then that with an object that's sole purpose is to rid Hogwarts of all those who are not pure blood, that Lucius would never destroy it, even if he did loose faith in LV's return.

I agree with everything that you are saying, cnickelson! I can also see what you (Infamouse_Hat) are talking about, but because he is so high on himself, I doubt that he would think that anyone except for maybe Dumbledore had any idea about his horcruxes.

Well, I think that most likely, that Harry will pick up some false clues and such trying to pursue his hunt, and he will have to make a very difficult decision between what he believes.

I would think that the diary was extremely lucky to destroy, but I don't think that the behavior of the diary could be described any other way.How could a memory come to life like that? Every time that Harry goes inside a memory, he cannot be heard in that world of the past. Wouldn't it stand to reason that a memory cannot, by itself, posses a human form that happens to be Voldy and drain the life out of a girl?

No, I think that you are on the right track saying that there might be one in Deathly Hallows, but there isn't one already.

The problem with this is that Voldemort was going to sent the diary in to hogwarts soon, but he died before he was able to. I think voldemort was making it seem helpless to avaid suspicion. Also, it was protected by voldemort himself and we know that voldemort trusts himself above all others

"The problem with this is that Voldemort was going to sent the diary in to hogwarts soon, but he died before he was able to. I think voldemort was making it seem helpless to avaid suspicion. Also, it was protected by voldemort himself and we know that voldemort trusts himself above all others"
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Packers, but that isn't right. We don't know that Voldy would have sent it into Hogwarts. We suppose that, and everything, because the diary opens the CoS, but we don't know that this was his plan. We know that Voldy told Malfoy that the diary would open the CoS, but we are never told that he told Malfoy to wait for the proper time. So, that really isn't a problem from that point. The other point that you adressed is that Voldy was trying to make it seem too easy. Voldy thinks that he is the only one that knows about his horcruxes, so why would he need a diversion? That just doesn't make sense.

I think there's likely to be something of a distraction involving horcruxes, but I'm more focused on the number of horcruxes than the objects they are in. It is DD's theory that Voldemort would have wanted 6 horcruxes, but what if Voldemort decided that 7 was better than 6? For me, once Harry finds the sixth horcrux, and we're feeling like Harry can go after Voldie, I'll be wondering if we'll find out that there's more, and Harry is screwed.

Sorry, but I really don't get this idea. I mean, Voldy wants 7. That means that 6 must be in objects. The soul inside him still counts as a horcrux; if it didn't, he would have 8 bits of soul instead. I think the reason that JKR put that quote in the book where Harry thinks that and then DD corrects him is because she didn't want us to think that.
I agree that if Voldy has a horcrux that Harry doesn't know about, though, he's totally in a fix; yet, that isn't likely.

Thoughts?

CRW

BUT WHAT I THINK IS THAT DUMBLEDORE HAD GONE TO THE CAVE BEFORE THAT IS WHY HE KNEW WHERE IT WAS EXACTLY LOCATED AND THIS HELPED HIM TO DISAPARATE . HE MUST HAVE CHANGED THE POTION WHICH WAS THERE IN THE GOBLET, SOMETHING WITH A WEAKNING POTION SO THAT HE AT LEAST CAN WALK TILL HE REACHED THE CASTLE . KEEPING IN MIND SNAPES UNBREAKABLE VOW HE ASKED SNAPE TO MAKE SOMETHING WHICH CANNOT KILL HIM BUT WHICH CAN MAKE SOMEONE WEAK. I ALSO THINK THAT DUMBLEDORE MUST HAVETAKEN A UNBREAKABLE VOW FROM SNAPE THAT IS THE REASON HE TRUSTS SNAPE SO MUCH.

I really don't think this is right.... for a couple of reasons..

1. I think we know that DD had not really gone to the cave, but he knew where it was. That would help him create the mental picture of where and what it was. I don't think he had actually ever gone into the boat before. I think it is possible, but I don't think it is probable. He would have had to give the offering of blood, and that hurt DD because he was so old and weak...

2. If he could change the potion, why didn't he change it to Felix Felicis or somethng not harmful? Also, there was a barrier blocking anything but the goblet from touching the person, and I think Voldy is too smart to have the potion be able to empty on the ground...

3. A lot of people believe the unbreakable vow theory, but I certainly do not. DD believes the best of people, so it would be against his character to make Snape take the vow because he trusts Snape. If Snape offered even, I think that DD would refuse.

I just think this theory has a lot of gaps. Are you saying that the locket that Harry has is a distraction? That would mean that DD has the real locket; it would be pointless to go back to the island because he could have just destroyed it.

Thoughts?

CRW

The point I was trying to make before is that it is possible that Dumbledore's theory was incorrect. He was the one who spoke of the fact that when he makes mistakes they tend to be much larger mistakes than people who don't have so much brain power. My point was that until we see Voldemort dead, not just partly dead, but ALL dead, I will have some doubt about whether there may not be other horcruxes. Think about it - Voldemort has killed far more than 6 people in his life, and if the mere act of killing someone rips the soul, what harm would there be to create more horcruxes? He's already torn his soul again, so why not add some extra insurance?

Rather than being a distraction, the diary be Voldemort's greatest mistake and, ultimately, lead to his downfall... Just imagine if Lucius hadn't have had the diary entrusted to him... T have been no re opening of the chamber of secrets, and Dumbledore would still be in the dark about the existance of Voldemort's horcruxes - he would still have no clue as to how to destry Voldemort... As it is, Malfoy's actions have caused knowledge of the horcruxes to leak through to the very person who could be able to destroy his master...Great one!

I agree with you, 'sullivanbkeene' , but seven is the most powerfully magical number; we didn't even have to ask DD for that one. How many sevens occur throughout the book? Tons! I mean, we always knew that it was the most powerfully magical number. Then again, Voldy could be thinking he wanted to go beyond the most powerfully magical number, we really don't know. I think that DD was right about this, though, even though, as you say, he can be wrong sometimes. I think that Harry will do something wrong, though, and he will have to make it right before it is too late.



I agree. lol. But really, we don't know if DD had no suspicion before the diary or if he did and it was confirmed by the diary. I think that it was probably the former, though. It was very intellectual of Malfoy to give away Voldy's secret, though.

Thoughts?

CRW

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