Petunia knows rather a lot about the dementors of Azkaban. Could this have a link to what Lilly and James did for a living. How would Petunia know about the dementors unless Lilly has spoken of them at home. Why would Lilly be talking about the dementors? Why also did Lupin know how to deflect the Dementors? If he Lilly, James and Sirius had something to do with the Dementors of Azkaban then he would of course know a lot about them and why they are affecting Harry. If he had just heard about them then would he really know as much. I can understand Sirius’s fear of the dementors and knowledge about them as he has spent so much time in their company.
I think that Lilly and James lines of work were probably to do with the horcruxes. When and orphan like Harry asks about their parents a question would normally be what they do. I believe that JK has deliberately keep this information until the seventh book. In the concert information it says we will learn something important about Lilly and James that will affect what Harry has to do in HPDH. If Lilly and James were involved in some way with the horcruxes then they might have has vital information that could help Harry in his quest to rid the world of Voldermort. I think Harry will find this information at Godric’s hollow.
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I think the thing is more that Lily and James did magical jobs that Petunia and Vernon would not mention in their home.
I don't ever remember Harry asking anyone at Hogwart's about his parents' jobs. I'm sure that they would probably answer him if he did.
I think that Lily's job will be important. I vaguely remember JKR saying in an interview that she worled in the Department of Mysteries.
I don't ever remember Harry asking anyone at Hogwart's about his parents' jobs. I'm sure that they would probably answer him if he did.
I think that Lily's job will be important. I vaguely remember JKR saying in an interview that she worled in the Department of Mysteries.
When Hagrid collects Harry from the Dursleys' in SS, he says that Harry's name has been down for Hogwarts since the day he was born. However would anyone be SURE he was a wizard at birth? Harry did not come into contact with LV until he was one year old, of course the prophecy is out there, but that does not prove it IS Harry or that Harry IS magical at birth.
Yes, both James and Lily worked for the MoM as I remember. Great stuff they did and were revered by their colleagues for their work. Seems logical to presume they were working against LV at the time.
What they did is obviously important to the storyline, but what they did would not "make" Harry a wizard upon birth. He could have been a squib.
How did they know?
Yes, both James and Lily worked for the MoM as I remember. Great stuff they did and were revered by their colleagues for their work. Seems logical to presume they were working against LV at the time.
What they did is obviously important to the storyline, but what they did would not "make" Harry a wizard upon birth. He could have been a squib.
How did they know?
Sirren, in response to your question about how did they know that Harry was a wizard, I think that the same question can be asked for muggle-borns. And if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say that there are just ways of detecting if someone is a witch or wizard. While Neville's Grandmother may not have had the capability (thinking that Neville was a squib until he was fairly old), there must be a way for wizard schools to find those who belong there. Cause, let's face it, if a muggle family has a child who does things like grows his hair back overnight, or ends up on the top of a building in an instant when being chased by bullies, i am not sure that they would know he was magic, and even if they thought that he was, they would know how to get him into a school for magic.
Anyway, back onto the original topic... I agree that had Harry actually asked what his parents jobs were, while at school, he probably would have been divulged the information. I also agree that the nature of the question would not have been allowed at the Dursley house-hold. As for as them dealing with horcruxes, I find that highly unlikely due to he fact that Dumbldore was pretty darn positive that nobody else even knew about them. It was not something that one (or two) would have been employed with.
As far as Lupin knowing how to deflect a dementor, that is advanced magic for a third year, but not really for an adult. If you will remember, the wizengamot was fairly impressed that Harry was able to conjure a full corpeal patronus. It was impressive because of his age, but everyone in the court knew what it was. I would be willing to be that a majority of them can create the type of shield that was Harry's first attempts at the patronus charm. So I highly doubt that Lupin knowing how to deflect the demontor would really mean much to the story. And if we want to get really base with our argument, he was the DADA professor. It should be something that he'd know.
As for Petunia knowing about the dementors, well, that could be of some significance to the story. She seems to talk about them the way that those who have actually come into contact with a dementor will talk about them. I am not so sure that she could have picked that up from merely hearing about them from her sister. Whether that means that she was actually in the presence of one at some point or not, I could not say for sure, but she does have a real understanding of how horrible creatures they are. I am of the opinion that we will learn what Harry Parents did for a living in DH, and it will more than likely play a fairly big part in the story seeing as how it has been left out until the end.
Anyway, back onto the original topic... I agree that had Harry actually asked what his parents jobs were, while at school, he probably would have been divulged the information. I also agree that the nature of the question would not have been allowed at the Dursley house-hold. As for as them dealing with horcruxes, I find that highly unlikely due to he fact that Dumbldore was pretty darn positive that nobody else even knew about them. It was not something that one (or two) would have been employed with.
As far as Lupin knowing how to deflect a dementor, that is advanced magic for a third year, but not really for an adult. If you will remember, the wizengamot was fairly impressed that Harry was able to conjure a full corpeal patronus. It was impressive because of his age, but everyone in the court knew what it was. I would be willing to be that a majority of them can create the type of shield that was Harry's first attempts at the patronus charm. So I highly doubt that Lupin knowing how to deflect the demontor would really mean much to the story. And if we want to get really base with our argument, he was the DADA professor. It should be something that he'd know.
As for Petunia knowing about the dementors, well, that could be of some significance to the story. She seems to talk about them the way that those who have actually come into contact with a dementor will talk about them. I am not so sure that she could have picked that up from merely hearing about them from her sister. Whether that means that she was actually in the presence of one at some point or not, I could not say for sure, but she does have a real understanding of how horrible creatures they are. I am of the opinion that we will learn what Harry Parents did for a living in DH, and it will more than likely play a fairly big part in the story seeing as how it has been left out until the end.
hey guyz
i think lilly and james job will matter a lot but i am not sure of what it was... and sirren if your parents are a witch and wizard i think the child has to be a witch or wizard too....and if he or she is a squib i think that the ministry knows who's a wizard and who's a amuggle as you'll have noticed in HBP in the memory of gaunts that morfin was detected hexing a Muggle... so thatz what i think
good question
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hermione
i think lilly and james job will matter a lot but i am not sure of what it was... and sirren if your parents are a witch and wizard i think the child has to be a witch or wizard too....and if he or she is a squib i think that the ministry knows who's a wizard and who's a amuggle as you'll have noticed in HBP in the memory of gaunts that morfin was detected hexing a Muggle... so thatz what i think
good question
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hermione
i still dont see how come Lilly would have mentioned the Dementors at home though. i have not heard that they worked in the ministy of magic. can you send me a link to that interveiw please.
This is the Lexicon info on Petunia and dementors:
Personally, I think the awful boy may have been Snape. But no matter.
I didn't used to think Lily and James did anything that had anything to do with horcruxes, but some more recent thinking makes me wonder. Slughorn retired the year they were killed. Slughorn, I currently believe, DID tell Tom Riddle how to make horcruxes, tho I think he did so under the Cruciatus curse and had his memory of this altered by Tom at the time. Lily was Sluggie's favorite student, and it is likely he continued to have contact with her from graduation time (around 1970) to death (around 1980).
It's my impression, partly from reading someone's intricate post in another thread that I can no longer find (if anyone knows where it is, please let me know!), that DD has been horcrux-interested regarding LV's activities for a long time, well before the diary is discovered. If the horcrux timeline extends backwards (and it might--DD has been collecting memories from people for what may be a very long time), then Sluggie as the intersection of Lily/James and LV is very interesting. Did they defy LV three times by refusing to reveal the whereabouts of Slughorn? or refusing to help LV gain access to Slughorn (hard to keep his teaching position a secret).
But, I dont think horcrux hunting was their official job--tho if James was wealthy enough, did they even have to work?
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She also knows more than she cares to let on about Dementors because she "overheard a conversation" between Lily and "that awful boy" (OP2), possibly James or Sirius.
Personally, I think the awful boy may have been Snape. But no matter.
I didn't used to think Lily and James did anything that had anything to do with horcruxes, but some more recent thinking makes me wonder. Slughorn retired the year they were killed. Slughorn, I currently believe, DID tell Tom Riddle how to make horcruxes, tho I think he did so under the Cruciatus curse and had his memory of this altered by Tom at the time. Lily was Sluggie's favorite student, and it is likely he continued to have contact with her from graduation time (around 1970) to death (around 1980).
It's my impression, partly from reading someone's intricate post in another thread that I can no longer find (if anyone knows where it is, please let me know!), that DD has been horcrux-interested regarding LV's activities for a long time, well before the diary is discovered. If the horcrux timeline extends backwards (and it might--DD has been collecting memories from people for what may be a very long time), then Sluggie as the intersection of Lily/James and LV is very interesting. Did they defy LV three times by refusing to reveal the whereabouts of Slughorn? or refusing to help LV gain access to Slughorn (hard to keep his teaching position a secret).
But, I dont think horcrux hunting was their official job--tho if James was wealthy enough, did they even have to work?
erm...well james and lilly could have ben talking about a newpaper article in the daily prophet or justb chatting.
i think jk may make their jobs realy realy boring, i don't know why i think this i just think thst she will
i think jk may make their jobs realy realy boring, i don't know why i think this i just think thst she will
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But, I dont think horcrux hunting was their official job--tho if James was wealthy enough, did they even have to work?
Well, I don't think that James and Lily were the sort of people who would just sit and do nothing while LV reigned supreme...a reason, perhaps, why they were in the Order in the first place. (Or has this been addressed already? I seem to have forgotten...)
Oh great, I am confusing myself-maybe they didn't work so they could be able to devote more time to the Order...
Anyway, James had to have done something to even get the money-unless he was some kind of heir. (Or a hit-man.)
I will go back a look but I was sure that I had read somewhere that James had inherited a large sum of gold and did not have a job. It is my guess that they worked for the order and DD. The need was not there to have a steady "9-5" job to make ends meet.
Pumkinjuice: have you actually read HBP?
"Slughorn, I currently believe, DID tell Tom Riddle how to make horcruxes, tho I think he did so under the Cruciatus curse and had his memory of this altered by Tom at the time."
If you have then you would know that slughorn admits to harry that he told tom about horcrux and that DD explains to harry that he modified his own memory to hide his guilt. Him giving harry the unmodified memory is admission of this!! Why just make something up about the cruciatus curse?
The info about Lily and James is so important because its one of the few back stories that hasn't been told yet so everyone wants to know. Pumkinjuice, awful boy is snape? what? clearly the only place petunia could over hear lily is at lily and petunia's home, why would snape be there? obviously James! 1091 posts and you know nothing about the books?
The only reason the info about Lily and James can be important is if it leads Harry towards knowledge to destroy horcrux or LV, we already know they worked against LV, they weren't teachers, they didn't know about the horcrux because even DD wasn't 100% sure about 7 horcrux until harry retrieved slughorns true memory, they weren't specifically a danger to LV, he went after them to get harry, not them, their deaths were just an all round bonus to LV, harry and wizardkind itself.
"Slughorn, I currently believe, DID tell Tom Riddle how to make horcruxes, tho I think he did so under the Cruciatus curse and had his memory of this altered by Tom at the time."
If you have then you would know that slughorn admits to harry that he told tom about horcrux and that DD explains to harry that he modified his own memory to hide his guilt. Him giving harry the unmodified memory is admission of this!! Why just make something up about the cruciatus curse?
The info about Lily and James is so important because its one of the few back stories that hasn't been told yet so everyone wants to know. Pumkinjuice, awful boy is snape? what? clearly the only place petunia could over hear lily is at lily and petunia's home, why would snape be there? obviously James! 1091 posts and you know nothing about the books?
The only reason the info about Lily and James can be important is if it leads Harry towards knowledge to destroy horcrux or LV, we already know they worked against LV, they weren't teachers, they didn't know about the horcrux because even DD wasn't 100% sure about 7 horcrux until harry retrieved slughorns true memory, they weren't specifically a danger to LV, he went after them to get harry, not them, their deaths were just an all round bonus to LV, harry and wizardkind itself.
pumpkinjuice, your theories are really interesting--i like reading them, even if i don't agree with them. 
That awful boy may have been Snape, it never clarifies so i am debating whether it was James or Snape. JKR has said "She overheard a conversation, that is all I am going to say. She overheard conversation. The answer is in the beginning of Phoenix, she said she overheard Lily being told about them basically. The reason I am hesitant is because there is more to it than that. As I think you suspect. Correctly, but I don't want to say what else there is because it relates to book 7." So obviously there is more to it than that.
Anyways, back on topic, did James inherit that money from his parents? I think i remember JKR saying that.
Lily didn't know about the effects of protecting Harry. So, she culn't have been too advanced with the field of love i guess.
I presume that Lily was an alchemist. Slughorn always insists that she is really, really good at potions, and he says it all the time. Usually when JKR says something over and over again, she means it. I think Lily was gifted at potions. I think she may have been an unspeakable, as i htink James might have been too.
I think it is so important because if she and James was an unspeakable. . .gah, i am drawing a blank! I think that Harry will find some valuable information from Godric's Hollow ,and maybe ask Lupin something. I don't understand why it is so important to what Harry will do in book 7 though. Maybe if Lily was an alchemist, Harry will need to know more about potions if another horcrux is protected by it. Maybe whatever they do, Harry will need to know to get the horcrux out of its protecting charms and things.
That awful boy may have been Snape, it never clarifies so i am debating whether it was James or Snape. JKR has said "She overheard a conversation, that is all I am going to say. She overheard conversation. The answer is in the beginning of Phoenix, she said she overheard Lily being told about them basically. The reason I am hesitant is because there is more to it than that. As I think you suspect. Correctly, but I don't want to say what else there is because it relates to book 7." So obviously there is more to it than that.
Anyways, back on topic, did James inherit that money from his parents? I think i remember JKR saying that.
Lily didn't know about the effects of protecting Harry. So, she culn't have been too advanced with the field of love i guess.
I presume that Lily was an alchemist. Slughorn always insists that she is really, really good at potions, and he says it all the time. Usually when JKR says something over and over again, she means it. I think Lily was gifted at potions. I think she may have been an unspeakable, as i htink James might have been too.
I think it is so important because if she and James was an unspeakable. . .gah, i am drawing a blank! I think that Harry will find some valuable information from Godric's Hollow ,and maybe ask Lupin something. I don't understand why it is so important to what Harry will do in book 7 though. Maybe if Lily was an alchemist, Harry will need to know more about potions if another horcrux is protected by it. Maybe whatever they do, Harry will need to know to get the horcrux out of its protecting charms and things.
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