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jiggery-pokery
Okay I’m reading book 1 for the umpteenth time and in the beginning chapter I realized that Hagrid said the Potter House was nearly in ruins.
Why would it be almost ruined if Voldemort used three Avada Kedavra curses? Remember he did the same thing to his father and grandparents but the Riddle House was still standing.
Perhaps from the impact of the love on Harry what caused the house to be near destruction was the force of the defeat of Voldemort?
shanshan
W have never thought about that. I really like the theory about Harrys mothers love had such a strong impact. But my guess would be that Voldermort just destroyed the house, he didnt care, he just destroyed it and left it in ruins.
Celsius
There are practically numerous possibilities, but probably two of the most logical ones would be that either Voldemort destroyed it or the backfire of the Avada Kedavra spell destroyed the house. I'm more inclined to agree with The spell backfiring and leaving the Potter house in ruins rather than Voldemort destroying it, because after he performs the spell and it doesn't work we know that Voldemort is weakened and loses some of his power. It would make more sense if Lily's love/spell backfire did the damage to the house, than Voldemort destroying it, although eh could have started a fire or something.

Also it occurred to me that perhaps Peter might have destroyed the house in case of any evidence. We know that peter was there and led Voldemort to the Potter's, etc., but he may have done more than that. He may have been ordered to destroy the house after Voldemort was done or just did so for other reasons. Then again, knowing Peter and his incident with Sirius it almost seems unlikely because he's a little coward and chicken, but who knows, things might have been a little different then.

Still those are just a couple of theories that came to mind. tongue.gif
iheartron
I've been curious about that myself? Well, I do agree with some of you that say the "love broke it down". But theres alot more possiblities out there.

For instance. What if Lily and James found a horcrux? (DISCLAIMER: I must admit never reading books one and two, and I've heard some talk about Lily, James, and Harry being the completion to the 7 horcruxes, so if anything in this theory is wrong, PLEASE let me know so I dont' make a fool out of myself, and can change it tongue.gif biggrin.gif wink.gif ) Let's say this is true. He tore apart the house looking for it? Finding it or not. That's why I also am a firm believer that Harry, Ron, and Hermione will find a horcrux in Godrics Hollow. I've thought this from the minute I read they were going back there. It's too obvious NOT to find one?

I dont' know...any other possiblities any one can think of?

<3 michelle
Reecy13
I also agree with the theory that love brought the house down. I can just imagine this like strong wave the comes from Lily just as she dies that protects Harry and destroys the whole house. That's just inside my head! biggrin.gif I always wondered how Harry survived if he was upstairs (i don't know why i pictured a two story house) and the house was in ruins. hmmm...
jiggery-pokery
You should really read books 1 and 2. I have a strong feeling that Rowling is going to answer a lot of questions we produced from the books. wink.gif

Anyway, that’s a good idea with the Potters having a horcrux. But do you see Voldemort tearing down the house for it? I mean he could just go “Accio Horcrux!” and I’m pretty sure the transition would go smoothly. Unless, like in book 6 inferi would come out when you tried to summon it but I’m pretty sure the Potters were in not possession of inferi biggrin.gif
Neddy Longbottom
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I always wondered how Harry survived if he was upstairs (i don't know why i pictured a two story house) and the house was in ruins.

i would say the reason you pictured a 2 storey house is because thats what it was in the movie. now before you all start with the "but thats just the movie" talk, i seem to remember hearing JKR say somewhere that she had first hand creative control over that scene because there were so many variables that could affect the ending, which only she knows.

now if i remember correctly there didn't seem to be anything wrong with the house at the moment when LV confronts baby harry so i believe there is only really 2 options. 1: the house was destroyed by the backfire when LV attacked harry. 2: the destruction of the house is a little over dramatic and there was just superficial damage on the front of the house and the doorway from the battle between LV and james.

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Also it occurred to me that perhaps Peter might have destroyed the house in case of any evidence. We know that peter was there and led Voldemort to the Potter's, etc., but he may have done more than that. He may have been ordered to destroy the house after Voldemort was done or just did so for other reasons.

how do we know that peter was actually THERE? i was under the impression that the only information was that peter was the secret keeper and we all know that you don't have to phisically direct someone to the secret. as for destroying the house... when did he know when LV was done? if he was there and knew what happened to LV why didn't he take harry disapperate somewhere safe?
JAC
I've wondered about this before. I thought it was most likely the curse backfiring, possibly setting off protective spells on the house its self. That might need a bit of work.

The other possibility is the age old trick of JKR misleading by choosing words that have several meanings...'the house was in ruins'....er who said it was the fabric of the building that was in ruins not simply the contents, rather like you might walk into an untidy room and describe it as though 'a bomb had hit it'.

As Neddy Longbottom points out we do not know for certain that Pettigrew was there, someone was, that much JKR has almost confirmed...my bet Dumbledore....but anyway back to the topic, the fact the house was 'in ruins' I don't think would be due to a death eater blowing it up, or Voldemort either, why would they? If it were a DE what would the point be, and how did they know Voldemort was 'gone'. Voldemort we are told was barely alive, hardly alive enough I suspect to blow up a house in the hopes of what? covering his tracks.

Anyhow thats my moneys worth...Great question.
jiggery-pokery
I just thought of something...

I really think the house was destroyed. Destroyed meaning no secret meaning like JAC thinks. What if the house was destroyed to cover up something?
Voldemort must've had an accomplice. He wouldn't have been able to destroy a whole house on his own. Yes the backfire could've caused it but I don't think so. We know that Pettigrew is capable of blowing up stuff like that time he blew apart the whole road and killed all those muggles. This case is very similar. Perhaps there was a horcrux at the house and Voldemort was planning to cover it up. After his downfall however, Peter must've taken over the job. I don't see him doing it because he's very cowardly but it's possible.
Neddy Longbottom
Hmmmmm that theory does sound plausable. the only thing i don't understand is how harry got out alive.
actually come to think about it there are many things about this whole incident i don't understand!

1. the attack happened at night
2. sirius rushed to the house but was too late
3. hagrid met him there and borrowed his motorcycle to take harry away
4. all the next day wizards were celebrating the downfall of LV
5. hagrid arrive at 4 privet drive that night and dropped off harry, then left to return the bike to sirius.

now do you honestly believe the trip took 24 hours from godrics hallow to privet drive?! and why would sirius wait 2 days for his bike to return. it would only make sense if sirius and hagrid met at the house 24 hours after the attack. but then that doesn't make sense because...
1. how could harry survive the destruction of the house and then waiting in the rubble for a whole day
2. if every wizard knew what happened why didn't anyone collect harry earlier?
3. if peter was there why didn't he do anything about harry?

and there's one last thing thats always bugged me... at the very start of PS when mcgonagall is talking to DD se says
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you think it - wise - to trust Hagrid with something as important as this?
what exactly is SOOOOO important about transporting a baby that she sits and waits all day rather than celebrating the death of the most evil wizard of all time? did she know about the prophecy too?
jiggery-pokery
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what exactly is SOOOOO important about transporting a baby that she sits and waits all day rather than celebrating the death of the most evil wizard of all time? did she know about the prophecy too?


You know, McGonnagal has never seemed to be a “party person”. She’s a strict lady and doesn’t care for nonsense. I think even if it was the downfall of Voldemort she wouldn’t have gone out partying.

Anyway on your theory

Did Albus even know that such a prophecy existed back on that night?
Neddy Longbottom
Hmmmmmm well that all depends on what exact time did he hire trawleny. which was... i duno.

OH WAIT! yes i do. snape heard the prophecy and ran to LV. LV was still alive so the answer is yes.

i see what you mean about McGonnagal not being such a party person but that doesn't explain why she waited. she can apperate wherever she wants so i would have thought she'd be with harry taking care of him but instead she was spying on the dursleys just hours after the event happened. the fact that harry was transported manually and a day late suggests there was some sort of special security measures. possibly so know one would know where he was going.
jiggery-pokery
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i see what you mean about McGonnagal not being such a party person but that doesn't explain why she waited. she can apperate wherever she wants so i would have thought she'd be with harry taking care of him but instead she was spying on the dursleys just hours after the event happened. the fact that harry was transported manually and a day late suggests there was some sort of special security measures. possibly so know one would know where he was going.


Good question. Hmmm she must've known that Dumbledore was going to the Dursleys otherwise she wouldn't have been there biggrin.gif She is an orderly person. Maybe she just wanted to see if the people were fit to be under the same roof as Harry Potter. Able people to take the strain. I don't know. I think this is one of those situations where Rowling doesn't know where she's going with her earlier books. Like Harry not seeing the thestrals and so on and so on. I don't even think apparation was mentioned in book 1. It was in book 2 though.
LadyCakeage
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i see what you mean about McGonnagal not being such a party person but that doesn't explain why she waited. she can apperate wherever she wants so i would have thought she'd be with harry taking care of him but instead she was spying on the dursleys just hours after the event happened. the fact that harry was transported manually and a day late suggests there was some sort of special security measures. possibly so know one would know where he was going.


Good question. Hmmm she must've known that Dumbledore was going to the Dursleys otherwise she wouldn't have been there biggrin.gif She is an orderly person. Maybe she just wanted to see if the people were fit to be under the same roof as Harry Potter. Able people to take the strain. I don't know. I think this is one of those situations where Rowling doesn't know where she's going with her earlier books. Like Harry not seeing the thestrals and so on and so on. I don't even think apparation was mentioned in book 1. It was in book 2 though.

No one seems to care about the grandparents.
Ok, Lilly and James both had parents, but their dead, and I think that they all went into hiding somewhere where Voldy woudnlt know, so not any of their parents house. Ok, so lets pretend that this is important for the story.
So who does their grandparents [James', Lilly's parents is also Petunia's, and I dont think theyd want Dudley to get a wizard's or magicky house] house belong too? And also, they had to live somewhere, and JKR said there was nothing weird about their deaths, they died old or some wizarding disease, idk. James should go to Harry cause he was an only child, and Im guessing they were rich..they are JKR said so, and it should be a big house or something. What about zat, eh? ermm.gif
K_the death eater
That is a really good theory. I never thought of that one. I suppose just like the rest of you guys that Voldemort just did want to destroy the house on purpose just for fun or something. That would make a lot of sense if he just destroyed it to see if the rest of the house would fall on Harry. But that's just a thought.



wub.gif *Sirius* wub.gif
jiggery-pokery
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That would make a lot of sense if he just destroyed it to see if the rest of the house would fall on Harry.


HA! That's funny. But did Voldemort even have the strength to cause the whole house to fall on him?
LadyCakeage
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That is a really good theory. I never thought of that one. I suppose just like the rest of you guys that Voldemort just did want to destroy the house on purpose just for fun or something. That would make a lot of sense if he just destroyed it to see if the rest of the house would fall on Harry. But that's just a thought.



wub.gif *Sirius* wub.gif

Another thing, howcome Harry was at his house all night?
Everyone knew about Voldemort being 'dead' all day and that the Potters died except for Harry, and Hagrid had taken Harry at night from the house to Dumbledore. At night. Was Harry at his blown up house all day?? Or maybe Hagrid had him all day. But that might be unsafe though, with all the Death Eaters being..vengeful maybe. And sometimes alot of magic..I think, effects..other stuff Idk. Like when it backfired maybe it caused like an explosion, just because it was that powerful [like powerful enough to block a killing curse, then all that stuff.]. Magic is powerful stuff, so that mustve been like 'boom'. Idk. haha
jiggery-pokery
Good point. Either people forgot that there was a boy who survived there or Hagrid had a some detour on his return trip to Dumbledore. I'm thinking people just thought all the Potters had died. Maybe Albus then told Hagrid to search for something (perhaps a horcrux) and found Harry.
LadyCakeage
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Good point. Either people forgot that there was a boy who survived there or Hagrid had a some detour on his return trip to Dumbledore. I'm thinking people just thought all the Potters had died. Maybe Albus then told Hagrid to search for something (perhaps a horcrux) and found Harry.

No no, not true. They were partying and celebrating Harry saying stuff like 'the boy who lived' thats why he was so famous. He survived the curse and killed [so they thought tongue.gif] Voldymort. So they did know. I think that Dumbledore wouldnt risk Harry's safety for horuxes also.
Neddy Longbottom
I'm pretty sure hagrid was sent specifically to pick up harry and take him to privet drive. and the fact that macgonnagal was waiting around all day suggests that the order of pheonix was aware of these plans just a couple of hours after the potters were attacked.

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"I met him!" growled Hagrid. "I musta bin the last ter see him before he
killed all them people! It was me what rescued Harry from Lily an'
James's house after they was killed! jus' got him outta the ruins, poor
little thing, with a great slash across his forehead, an' his parents
dead... an' Sirius Black turns up, on that flyin' motorbike he used ter
ride. Never occurred ter me what he was doin' there. I didn' know he'd
bin Lily an' James's Secret-Keeper. Thought he'd jus' heard the news o'
You-Know-Who's attack an' come ter see what he could do. White an'
shakin', he was. An' yeh know what I did? I COMFORTED THE MURDERIN'
TRAITOR!" Hagrid roared.
"Hagrid, please!" said Professor McGonagall. "Keep your voice down!"
"How was I ter know he wasn' upset abou' Lily an' James? It was
You-Know-Who he cared abou'! An' then he says, 'Give Harry ter me,
Hagrid, I'm his godfather, I'll look after him --' Ha! But I'd had me
orders from Dumbledore, an' I told Black no, Dumbledore said Harry was
ter go ter his aunt an' uncle's. Black argued, but in the end he gave
in. Told me ter take his motorbike ter get Harry there. 'I won't need it
anymore,' he says.
"I shoulda known there was somethin' fishy goin' on then. He loved that
motorbike, what was he givin' it ter me for? Why wouldn' he need it
anymore? Fact was, it was too easy ter trace. Dumbledore knew he'd bin
the Potters' Secret-Keeper. Black knew he was goin' ter have ter run fer
it that night, knew it was a matter o' hours before the Ministry was
after him.


so there ya go. hagrid was sent there to get harry. he was the first person to find him therefor he must have found him on the night of the attack (or early morning) otherwise people wouldn't be toasting to "the boy who lived".

that leaves a good 12+ hour gap between getting harry and delivering him. Hagrid said that harry fell asleep over bristol. but for a flying motor bike travelling at 80km/h that would only take an hour trip. 3 or 4 hours if godrics hollow is in ireland. there must have been some kind of diversion during the day. maybe extra security measures against the DE that probably would have been hunting harry down.

jiggery-pokery
Good point Neddy, Alright let's get back to business.

Why was the House Destroyed?
Well, most of us think that the force of Harry defeating Voldemort caused the House to dismantle. Okay maybe there's a name for this force. When Harry and Voldemort's wands connected it was Priori Incantatem. Perhaps there's a name for the type of thing that happened in Godric's Hollow.
Others think that Voldemort himslef blew up the house after he was defeated but that can't be true because he was barely alive. To be able to do any magic would be a miracle.
MagikelLuna
I'm new to these forums, so I've been reading as much as I can on here...

There was one topic about how someone's 7 year old son asked why Harry just didn't say 'Accio Egg' and the comment about how a young mind will think the obvious while we adult tend to read too much into things...so thinking simply I came up with this scenerio...

Now on to the point...I'm not sure off-hand if there is anything in the books saying whether or not James and Lilly were firing jinxes and/or spells at LV during the time LV was in the house trying to kill Harry. Could it be that maybe James was holding up LV to give Lilly time to get Harry and run? I've been scanning the books for about 30 minutes to find it...it may have been in one of the movies also...but I know I saw it somewhere that James was fighting off LV before he was killed. I think that the house was damaged somewhat (but not totally) from spells or jinxes to fight off LV.

Anyone else think of this too??? If anyone has anything to prove or disprove this theory let me know...
jiggery-pokery
MagikelLuna

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I'm new to these forums, so I've been reading as much as I can on here...

There was one topic about how someone's 7 year old son asked why Harry just didn't say 'Accio Egg' and the comment about how a young mind will think the obvious while we adult tend to read too much into things...so thinking simply I came up with this scenerio...

Now on to the point...I'm not sure off-hand if there is anything in the books saying whether or not James and Lilly were firing jinxes and/or spells at LV during the time LV was in the house trying to kill Harry. Could it be that maybe James was holding up LV to give Lilly time to get Harry and run? I've been scanning the books for about 30 minutes to find it...it may have been in one of the movies also...but I know I saw it somewhere that James was fighting off LV before he was killed. I think that the house was damaged somewhat (but not totally) from spells or jinxes to fight off LV.

Anyone else think of this too??? If anyone has anything to prove or disprove this theory let me know...


Great idea!

However I remember reading somewhere that James only held him off for a little while. Is it likely a couple of curses would destroy the house? Actually I guess it could, I mean Wormtail blew up a whole street with just one curse
time turner
I think that it was the force of Voldemort being ripped from his body, because it never said that he was killed. Also the protection that Lilly gave Harry has to be powerful because it can block the killing curse so that could have also knocked the house down. dry.gif
hpaikido
I think it was the rebound of the curse that failed that destroyed the house. Harry was the first person to survive tha AV curse and from what Hagrid says it was one powerful curse Lv used so it can be expected that as an anomly this curse would have caused an explosion or anything else.
LadyCakeage
Can anyone answer whether or not Harry inherits a house from his father's parents? Because Lily and James went into hiding in a house at Godric's Hollow, and Harry's grandparents died a normal death. And they must've had a house. I dont care much about the mother's parents house, especially because there's Petunia so she might already know. But James' parents were rich pplz [Interview with JKR] (that explains why Harry's inherited so much gold....Wowzerz o_o. Money from two rich ppl [Sirius] geez.) and they probably had a preety big house. I know this isn't important maybe but still...we were supposed to find out more stuff about the grandparents. Anywayz, zeh house. *snaps fingers 3 times*
jiggery-pokery
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Can anyone answer whether or not Harry inherits a house from his father's parents? Because Lily and James went into hiding in a house at Godric's Hollow, and Harry's grandparents died a normal death. And they must've had a house. I dont care much about the mother's parents house, especially because there's Petunia so she might already know. But James' parents were rich pplz [Interview with JKR] (that explains why Harry's inherited so much gold....Wowzerz o_o. Money from two rich ppl [Sirius] geez.) and they probably had a preety big house. I know this isn't important maybe but still...we were supposed to find out more stuff about the grandparents. Anywayz, zeh house. *snaps fingers 3 times*


Good point.
I'm assuming that the Grandparents had sold their house.That would've added even more money to Harry's vault. laugh.gif
I think we need to find out at exactly what time the Grandparents had died. Before or after the rise of Voldemort? Did they die at the same time? If so, for what reason?
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