chocobeer
Oct 15 2004, 10:17 AM
[FONT=Arial]at the end of OotP, most members of the Order went to warn the Dursleys about how they treat harry...they were threatened to treat harry normally and to keep harry happy...will the threatening work?Tonk's pink hair color, moody's eye, shame, fear, will all those work for the Dursleys? Will harry have his best time at the dursley's yet?
but JKR said that it would be his smallest time at privet drive yet...and lupin or molly, someone said that harry should be keeping in touch everyday, if he doesnt communicate for more than 3 days, they'll come over...so wat if it doesnt work? do u think they'll come barging into Privet Drive while the Durleys are in and in broad daylight of something? like petunia feared? answers please!
Louise
Oct 15 2004, 06:06 PM
I think it'll be Harry's shortest time ever in Privet Drive because DD knows that this summer is going to be one of the hardest Harry has ever faced. Think about it....he's just the closest thing to a father he has ever known. I can't even begin to imagine the depths of the grief that poor kid would be facing and he is stuck in an environment with no one who could give a toss whether he lives or dies himself. He has no one to talk to, no one to confide in....he is completely and utterly isolated in his grief which is only going to exacerbate it.
DD would never, ever leave him in that kind of isolated emotional pain for long. Physical protection from Voldemort is one thing, leaving him to deal with that kind of mental anguish is quite another - what about his emotional and mental well-being? I'm sure Harry returned to the Dursleys purely to give him a bit of a recharge for whatever power his mother's blood might still give him and to give the other members of the Order a chance to discuss how to go about helping Harry whilst dealing with their own grief....and all the grief that is still to come. Maybe DD will send the members of the order in to go get him....but most likely, I think, he'll send Lupin. He would be the only one with the emotional stability, intelligence and rationality to prise Harry away from the Dursleys in the most diplomatic, smoothest way possible to avoid any unnecessary upset for Harry.
JKR has said that there's been a chapter that she has written for almost every book so far that has never really fitted in anywhere before, but she feels that it might finally have found its place in HBP and I think I might have an inkling of what she means there.
I know that her mum's death a few years ago hit her very hard and, like all authors, I think there is an element of healing and self-exploration in whatever they write. It's my guess that JKR has been wanting to write a chapter on Harry's grief over his parents that reflects her own grief over her mum, but somehow, it's never really fitted before. I've said before that I really don't think that Harry can truly know what it's like to lose a parent because, as much as he yearns for a family of his own, it is still an abstract concept to him - like winning the lottery is to those who are poor. No one can really know what it is like.
But now Harry does. His grief over Sirius is real and raw, quite unlike anything he has ever felt before - all the worse because he won't have a funeral to say goodbye...he won't have a grave to visit.....he won't have a focus for his grief.
Which is why I think that the chapter JKR referred to will deal with Harry's feelings over Sirius' death. And I have a feeling it's going to make for some pretty hard reading.......
Kreacher
Oct 15 2004, 10:43 PM
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| I think that the chapter JKR referred to will deal with Harry's feelings over Sirius' death. And I have a feeling it's going to make for some pretty hard reading....... |
That's a really good theory. I think that Harry will stay at Privet Drive just long enough for him to get into a really bad state of mind before he goes to headquarters. When he gets there, I think he'll be even more screwed up than he was at the begining of OOTP. There's no doubt that losing Sirius will be almost as harsh as it would be to lose a parent. He couldn't remember his parents, and he's never known what it meant to have parents, so losing the closest thing he's ever had is one of the worst things that has ever happened to him. The Dursleys don't know what happened in the department of mysteries, so my guess is that they will show him no sympathy whatsoever. They will probably be more afraid of him than worried because they don't want any "freaks" appearing at their front door.
deranged
Oct 16 2004, 01:00 AM
The very fact that the Dursleys are afraid of the OOtP would allow them to try to let Harry do whatever he wants as much as possible. But it would not change their attitude towards Harry, and that would, of course, lead DD to want to bring him over to the OOtP HQ almost immediately. But as DD had said in OOtP, Harry has to go home because that's where his mother's blood flows. So, probably, Petunia would be a key figure in the beginning of the next book. What I'm spectulating is that Petunia would be whisked to the HQ too, though she would not really know what is happening. But of course, my imagination could be running too far again. =/ But I'm still bt the notion that Petunia would be a key figure before the start of school. And that could be a long time.
ibeehoneyduked
Oct 16 2004, 02:50 AM
I think it might be his best time. J.k said it was his shortest stay yet and thats something to be happy about all by itself.
Kreacher
Oct 16 2004, 01:49 PM
I think that Petunia will have some significance in the next books. I don't really remember where it was, but someone asked JKR if Petunia was a witch, and she said something like "No, but that's a good guess". That makes me think that there's more to Petunia than meets the eye(and I'm not just talking about her and Dumbledore being "penpals"). Maybe Harry will find out some stuff about her before he goes to headquarters in HBP. Then again, I could be completely wrong and over thinking that interview.
chocobeer
Oct 16 2004, 02:24 PM
sure i am certain too that petunia's VERYYY significant...but i dont think she's a witch...it cant be something soooo obvious...i really dont think she could be one, and hate other witches sooooooooo much...as much as Vernon...some say she's a squib, but that still makes her a witch, and i don agree...petunia definitely knows a LOT about the wizarding world...but how and why and when are the questions...so all we gotta do is wait and wait with our fingers crossed*...
Louise
Oct 16 2004, 03:58 PM
Erm guys, could we stay on topic please? There's another thread around here somewhere about Petunia and whatever she is....Thanks..
Anyway....
Another thing I was thinking....I think part of the reason that the OotP appeared at the end of...er...OotP (

) is precisely for the reason deranged said - to make sure that the Dursleys treated Harry right over the few weeks that he has to stay there. I expect they wanted it made clear that there would no no tolerance whatsoever of cruelty....not
this summer....not after what Harry's been through. That's the last thing the poor kid needs.
chocobeer
Oct 16 2004, 04:16 PM
Hey, Scully, how're u a Thewlisian? (thats wat u tell us to ask in your avatar!

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Louise
Oct 16 2004, 04:52 PM
Yes...maybe...but in the right thread, which you'll find here--->
What is a Thewlisian?Back on topic please!
Naz
Oct 28 2004, 04:44 AM
i think that the dursleys will eternally hate harry
Shadowfox
Oct 28 2004, 08:14 PM
I think, because of their fear, the Dursley's will probably treat Harry much better this time around, but they'll be forced into it. So they probably will still have all the evil stares and, you know, grumbling underneath. Harry might even have to remind them with little threats, but I suppose that depends on how long he's there. He probably won't be there because of what Scully said - emotional stability reasons - but also because things are starting to become more serious. He's starting to understand more that's going on and and will be going on and, and also become more involved.
I think the Dursleys will always hate Harry, or resent him for representing so much of the things they hate. But somewhere along the line I get the impression that they wouldn't want to ever physically hurt him or for him to get hurt - no matter how much they do hurt him emotionally. If the truly wanted him dead they wouldn't have taken him in to begin with. They wouldn't continue to take him in. Aunt Petunia, not to go off topic but I think she has significance, obviously feels that he doesn't deserve to die. How much emotions she has attached to him is hard to say, but I think something is there perhaps that she can't admit to. Who knows. But I remember she strongly objected to throwing him out, because she knew the significance of why he stayed there. So, will that mean this time around they will treat him nice? Probably, because forced to. But what about the future. He will still have one more year, right, before he 'graduates'. I wonder if they would ever willingly be civil/nice to him? Or will threats and policing be the only way.
chocobeer
Oct 30 2004, 07:55 AM
Well, i for one, would like to assure that, of course Petunia is important to plot now...i agree with ShadowFox, that she was determined to keep harry in part 5...she knew that there is something that she promised DD probably or DD warned her of...or probably for the good of her family, she must keep harry, or to hide a secret from the whole world which DD knows she has to keep harry...overall, harry has to stay...but thing is - how is he treated? and i also think that he wont get much time to get angry and feel disolated from the wizarding world...'its going to be harry's shortest stay yet at Privet Drive' - JKR.
And here's where Dana's right too...he cant be left here with no information and full of emotions of sadness, depression, loneliness and fear, to some extent.
so i guess Shadow Fox is very right when she says that harry is going to be treated normally but the family's going to include the angry stares and rubbish whispers...so finally he's going to be treated normally though they cant laugh and talk with him like they do with normal people...and of course, harry wont want them talking to him, laughing and enjoying his comapany now...he's depressed. The Dursley's are going to treat him normally as they fear harry's protectors (which means they'll just keep quiet in front of him and talk ONLY when ABSOLUTELY necessary) and harry's going to opt for that himself!
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