Note: I have been looking around at a lot of the discussions and have seen a lot of theories that don't even have good facts supporting them, so I decided to start a discussion full of facts that should be important for the Deathly Hallows.

OK, so we have many facts from the previous books (of course ). Many of these facts may be able to have a large role in the next book. Please write you replies in a similar format to mine.

Start your post with an agreement or a rebutal of someone's statement(s).

Then post your fact(s)/ evidence for rebuttal or new theory
1. Harry's wand and Voldemort's come from the same Pheonix feather, making the wands brothers.

Details: We know that these feathers are from the Pheonix Fawkes. Fawkes has been a very good "friend" of Dumbledore. His feathers is what caused the Priori Incantartum. Pheonix can live forever(?) because they die and then become reborn, so we don't know when Fawkes first was born.

Theory from this: My theory is that Fawkes was originally owned by Godric Gryffindor (that would explain the house colors). Since the wands of Harry and Voldemort contain Fawkes' feathers, then their wands would be "something of Gryffindor." One of Voldemort's horcruxes is from Gryffindor so his wand is a horcrux.

Note: In your post you can argue/ agree/ or make a new theory/ or do all of these. Happy posting .

~Filius~

Filius, JKR said this in a comment on Fawkes:



That does not completely rule out the possible Gryffendor connection, but does rule out the idea that the connection is through ownership of Fawkes. Could Fawkes BE Gryffendor, unbeknownst to DD? His colors are certainly suggestive.

Thank you for the evidence. I like the suggestion about Fawkes being Gryffindor. The hard thing to understand is would it be possible for Fawkes to go through the cycle of a pheonix if he is an animagus???? The colors of Fawkes sure are curious.

Theory: I just thought now that my theory (though I am almost sure it is not true because it is ridiculus) still has a possible chance of being true. This will sound pretty stupid but Fawkes could be the decendant of a Pheonix owned by Griffindor.......OK, I am just getting desperate. I really do believe that Voldemort's wand is a horcrux. I do need more evidence though. We know that it has to probably be his most prized "trophy." Those types of things are what Voldemort put his horcruxes in so he could have likely put his soul in his wand........I don't know. Anyone have evidence for or against???

~Filius~

Im not sure if i should have psoted this in here but as i read the thread it occured to me that if Fawkes is Gryffindor could Nagini be Slytherin. and if that is so could the other two founders be around aswell.
This could mean they are all still alive, as no graves have been mentioned, or it could mean that they have chosen a different path in death, other than becoming ghosts that is.

Well, I really want to agree but I am not sure that the House Founders could have been living this long. The only founder (or animagus) that could allow the founder to live this long would have to be Gryffindor if he is a pheonix (since they just become reborn). If Slytherin is Nagini than how would he have lived for so long. He can't have a Sorcerer's Stone (because Voldemort would have taken it) but he could have his own horcrux.

Theory: Fawkes may be infact Gryffindor himself. If that is true then Voldemorts wand is still something of Gryffindor's and could be a horcrux.

~Filius~

Ok i have to agree the wand may be a horcrux, however the four founders could be alive if they had horcruxes. I know that to create a horcrux is an evil act but maybe in the distant past there was another way to make one.

Really, the only one of the fonders who would have the ability to kill and be able to make a horcrux would be Salazar Slytherin. It describes him when it describes the house. He is power seeking and does what ever it takes to get what he wants. The three other founders could never have been able to reach the point of killing.

~Filius~

i agree to have killed does not sound like gryffindor hufflepuff or ravenclaw, but what if there was a way to do it without killing, using love or some other ancient power.
The room of love has not been explained yet, it could have been made by the four founders so that you didnt have to kill to make a horcrux, maybe they made it as a way for pure bloods to never die out, or just wizards in general

In another thread I asked the question of whether there is the possibility that reincarnation happens in the wizard world? This would circumvent the horcrux problem, the animagus problem, and a host of other problems in figuring out how ancient people may still be "around". This does not mean that they can pop back into human form--once reincarnated, that's it--you are the new form, until you reincarnate again, and again....but unlikely back to the original. The question is how we would ever know.....Unless these reincarnated creatures could communicate their former identities.

In this way--via reincarnation--Fawkes could "be" Gryffendor, and Nagini could "be" Slytherin.

JKR has used every other mode of someone being in someone else, why not this most traditional one?

Reincarnation was somthing that had never crossed my mind but yes it does seem to solve a lot of the problems with the theories in question. If that is the case which animals would you put forward to be hufflepuff and ravenclaw.
my favourites for them are

Buckbeak

Firenze

I dont know about Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw....but it seems Hedwig might be more than ordinary owl. I dont think she is an animagus....but she is very developed in personality. Some think she's Lily, but I don't think so...tho I'd like it to be.

We may not need H & R on hand, since their houses have been relatively marginalized. R came in via Cho and H came in via Cedric. But maybe G and S need to both learn a lesson and step down from the limelight a little....

Buckbeak has certainly assumed more interesting proportions....I wonder if he could be Regulus.

Firenze never occurred to me as a former human since I think of him as already human but I guess he isnt really. Hmmm.

From you talking about Hedwig, pumpkinjuice, I agree that she is probably more than she seems. But that reminds me that JKR said that Crookshanks is more than she seems. She said that she isn't an animagus but that she isn't an ordinary cat.............Ahhhhh! Could she be a horcrux! That sounds pretty far away but that would shock everybody. The lady at the pet shop said that the cat had been there for a while and that nobody wanted to have it. I don't believe that she would be but just think how shocking that would be!!!!

~Filius~

P.S. We're all moving away from the format I set from this thread, ha ha!

Sorry to burst your bubble fillius but JKR has already explained what she meant by that statement about crookshanks. She said that you have to have read Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find them, and that all will be explained in there.

I also think that hedwig may be lily, i also think that it is not coincidense that harry is the only person at hogwarts with a snowy owl, i believe that it has some deeper meaning that will be revealed in book 7

my theory and what i think is the most plausable theory of this topic is one of relation to the R.A.B mystery ,this is one of my own and a mates it is that the mystery man is burke from (borgin&burkes) this is because on page 403 voldemort is working at borgin&burkes on page 409 he is working and is seeing hepzibah smith and she shows him the locket and voldemort was in love wif it of course so he got it wen he killed her, but she also says that it was brought from burke and then says that "i daresay that he'd love to get this back wen im gone and burke is now dead so that wuld explain why it says on the note that i will be dead by the time ur reading this , readers out there u would say that this is the most plauseable so far, if ur still not convinced read from 409 to the end of 411 in 411 it seems that the treasures had been known to have gone missing and then voldemort quits work and burke would have later put 2n2 together and known whos hands it was in this is somethin to think about anyway thanx im in the process of think about an accomplice

So are you saying his first name is not really Caractacus, or that somehow the initials still apply to him despite his first name beginning with a C.? It is similar to Regulus Black's middle name, which might be Arcturus but is probably Alphard.

It's interesting that Burke does supply one of the memories for DD's info-quest.

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