Maybe one of his horuxes was destroyed before the 7th one was created, so maybe he isnt immortal. Can u make a jinx where you cant die, just like he did with the DADA job?

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but your question makes me think of a another question: we all know LV wanted SEVEN horcruxes because it would confer some SPECIAL protection, but we also know that even ONE horcrux will protect its owner.

So, what is the additional protection/power of the seven over one or two or three horcruxes? Harry and DD talk about the seven as if it were any other number, any other list of things that needed to be done. But it isn't--it's supposedly (if LV was right) a SPECIAL power of horcruxing to have the magical number of seven of them. So what might this be?

HMMMM....is that the "gleam of triumph"? Does Harry's blood render defunct the specialness of the protection the SEVENNESS of the horcruxes confers? How might this be?

Oooh that's a juicy theory! I've got the "gleam of triumph" on the brain at the moment as well, haha. I like this theory though

BUT.. I did always think that the reason Voldemort wanted seven horcruxes was so that in the event that someone found one/some of them, he would still be protected. If you think about it, if anyone realised he had a horcrux, you can bet they wouldn't have realised he had six of the things (seeing as, as far as we know, no wizard ever made more than one) - and it seems it's only Dumbledore (and Slughorn.. sort of) who's realised that Voldemort cannot be mortal until all those horcruxes have been destroyed. It's just extra protection, as far as I can see.

But if it's just extra protection and he's killed dozens of people (probably), why not dozens of horcruxes? The number seven is something over and above the general insurance policy of what a horcrux is or any collection of them would be.

Hmm.. like I said, I like your theory

It's just I always assumed it was Voldemort being obsessive about things, you know? In the same way that he wanted specific possessions to make his horcruxes with, I just assumed he'd want seven because it was meant to be a special magical number... just "because", for want of a better way of putting it. Not saying I think I'm right.. it's just this is what I assumed beforehand.

As far as I'm aware, if there is something especially significant about seven horcruxes, then Voldemort is the only person ever to have discovered this (other wizards have only ever created one, I think) - i.e. he would have been taking some risk, ripping his soul into all those shreds with no example to compare himself to. But, as Dumbledore said, Voldemort doesn't understand the power of a whole, unmutilated soul... and perhaps this is even an indication of what Voldemort really meant when he said (in the graveyard, end of GoF) that he had gone further down the path of immortality than any other person. Perhaps he discovered a special protection afforded by seven horcruxes.

This theory is really going to give me some food for thought, now: thanks, Pumpkinjuice!

I meant he wanted to make 7 horuxes, and since that would mean he was immortal if he had 7, what if before the 7th one was created then one of them was destroyed. And I think I mean that...oooohh.. hahaha, nvm, I see, I thought that..Ok! I feel stupid, byee.

That's a good question LadyCakeage. Before I continue with my post, I would like to ask one thing. Do you mean that one of his horcruxes could have been destroyed before the 6th one. I just wanted to point out that he only actually made six (If Dumbledore is correct) because the seventh piece of soul is still inside him.

Okay. I think that is possible. In fact, if Dumbledore is correct about Naggini being a horcrux, then you are quite correct. In book six Dumbledore tells Harry that Voldemort was still one horcrux short when he entered Godric's Hollow with the intention of killing Harry. He failed to kill Harry. Dumbledore goes on to tell us that after some years, Voldemort used Naggini to kill and old muggle man. If this man was, in fact, the man who looked after the Riddle House and that is not just there to trick us, then Voldemort never had seven horcruxes at one time. This murder was commited in book four, but in book two Harry destroyed the diary!

What this means, I do not know. I think this does go along with the thought of what extra protection seven horcruxes has (although I am fairly certain there is already a thread about that). If seven horcruxes gives extra power like Voldemort thought, then Voldemort probably never got that power.

This is an interesting question. I think it could have happened, but I don't think it's likely because who would have known that he had made the horcruxes?

I have a question or my own, would Voldemort be able to know when all of his horcruxes are destroyed?

I don't think Voldemort would know. I think what Dumbledore said to the effect that Voldemort cannot sense when a horcrux is destroyed, will hold true right until the very end, even when he has no horcruxes left. I think if it were likely for a wizard to somehow know when he was mortal again (having had his horcrux destroyed), this would be documented, and Dumbledore would definitely have passed that information on to Harry.

OH! Rite-o then, lol
Yah thats what I meant, he said that 7 would make him immortal or somthing.
Isnt it, he saw Frank come out of his wand when the wand-connection [reverse spell effect??] happened, rite? Didnt he do zhe Avada Kedavra [zap zap zap] if not, then the movies are wrong?
So right, I know that they give more protection, but they didnt make him immortal like he thought in that memory thing in the Pensieve when Slughorn freaked.
Or maybe he's just close to immortal so they just said that. He isnt immortal-immortal he has like...like cats, nine lives, except less [cackle]. And they make him verr weak whenever he 'dies'. Blah.
Hey..uch..forgot.
Mmm...
MMM...
well, I lost it.
But it was a good question. Hey, can you make other ppl's BODIES horuxes??
Like dead ppl.
Woo. Gross.
All decomposing.
Haha, OH! I remembered
Ok,...AAAH! Oh, gottit, never mind, um.. [I'm just gonna stop typing me forgetting and do it whenever, just know it probably took me 10 minitues to do this]
WHat if he keeps making horuxes and dividing his soul a billion times untill theres not much left to divide. Splitting his soul. bahahaha. I wonder if hes the only one to do this, I'd think Slytherin mightve tried it? Eh?


Dumbly roolz.
Anyway, I bet Voldy'd get mad if Harry told him in 'the final confrontation' {DUT DUT DUUT!}
Like,"HAH! I have defeted all your horuxes! Prepare to die! *zap zap*"
Voldy: "You fool! I am verry ANGRY! I will defeat you and have my preety snake eat your face! Prepare to die! *zap zap zap*"
Harry: "Well, you fiend! Since I killed your snake how will you have it eat me!? Prepare to die! *zap zap*"
Voldy: "You jerk! Why'd you kill my snake?! I am very sad! Watch me cry! Prepare to die! *zap zap*"
Harry: "You..Yooou..."
Voldy: "Imbosile?"
Harry: "Imbosile! Why do you cry? I am feeling guilty! Prepare to die! *zap zap*"
Voldy: "You son of a-"
Harry: "Heeey.."
Voldy: "Goat!"
Harry: "Don't call my parents goats!"
Voldy: "Sorry. You goat! I will kill your Hedwig! Prepare to die! *zap*"
Harry: "You monster! Why did you kill my Hedwig?! I am very furious! I will have to slap you now. Prepare to die! *slap slap*"
Voldy: "You b****!"
Harry: "You hore!"
Voldy: "Gasp! *cries*.."
Harry: "You wuss."
Voldy: "You're so mean. I'm leaving"
Harry: "Fine."
Voldy: "Fine"
Harry: "Wait!"
Voldy: "..."
Harry: "AVADA KEDAVRA!"
Voldy: *shrieks*
Harry: "You can go now."
Voldy: "Pish, loozer"
Harry: "What-ever "

Eh heh, sorry for the poor ending, I just realized what I was doing and got carried away. Heh. Anyone know what ph34r is/means?

Hey! That was really random! Me likey! But anyway.

If everything Dumbledore said to Harry was true, then lets take a look at something for a minute. Let's go back to No. 12 Grimmauld Place when Sirius was talking to Harry about the tapestry. If it is true that R.A.B. is Regulus Black than it is very possible that one off his horcruxes could have been destroyed before the seventh was made.

Someone earlier mentioned that Nagini was used to kill the old muggle caretaker of the Riddle House. That is incorrect. The book (GoF) does, in fact state that there was a flash of green light. Also, Frank Bryce's (old muggle) ghost-thingy came out of the wand tip in the graveyard. So if it is true that Nagini was used to kill an old muggle than it was not Frank Bryce. However, I don't doubt that Voldemort could have, AFTER Harry's admittance into Hogwarts, committed a murder that will make his 6th and final horcrux. Because we know, assuming everything Dumbledore said is correct and true, that the the murder for creating his last horcrux was supposed to be Harry, but he was thwarted and so could not created at the time, now the question is, did he created yet, after his return?

DD's theory was that Voldemort used the Frank Bryce murder to turn Nagini into the sixth horcrux. My question is, once Voldemort became aware that his diary horcrux had been destroyed, and perhaps that the locket had been destroyed (or at least removed from its place), just to ensure that his quest toward immortality is moving forward, why wouldn't he create more horcruxes? I think it's certain that he's killed others since he rejoined his body.

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