monel_33
Apr 4 2007, 06:00 PM
I do hope Hermione's efforts to learn Arithmancy and Runes will pay off nicely in DH. Poor girl... All that 'light reading'!
Just some random thoughts...
LV looks sort of 'last stage of illness' in USC, which may indicate that all 6 Horcruxes were already destroyed, leaving only the bit of soul in him. Or... what if when he AKed Harry, the 7th bit of soul in him was destroyed, and then he used a Horcrux to come back to life, that leaves 5 bits. The diary - 4. The ring - 3. So we only have the Cup, the Locket and one more - Nagini or something of Griffyndor or Ravenclaw.
The symbol on the spine is likely (or, better said, hopefully

) not just something symbolic of HP, but something that appears in the story, maybe protecting a horcrux, or part of the Department of Misteries.
About the Hat... maybe the "becoming" part just refers to CoS and pulling the sword. But what if the Hat is a horcrux? Someone else's, not LVs. I mean, all that singing, and it's adapted to current events... Sure, it may be somewhat similar to the Marauder's map, but... wouldn't it be interesting if it could revive some really old and powerful wizard? Griffyndor himself, maybe?

Ok, I'm straying...
Glad to be back.
Sirren
Apr 4 2007, 06:16 PM
JKR said the Sorting Hat is not a horcrux, but she also said the following in 1999: "There is more to the Sorting Hat than what you have read about in the first three books. Readers will find out what the Sorting Hat becomes as they get to future books." (Boston Globe, 1999)
Although the Sorting Hat has changed its' song, thus far it has not become something since 1999.
Gosh, you don't think the Sorting Hat is the entrance to the treasure trove depicted on the cover...?
Although I suspect the spine symbol has been created by JKR, thus I also suspect the meaning of the symbol or use of it, will be part of the main plot in DH.
Krissy15
Apr 4 2007, 07:19 PM
Does she mean become literally, like transforming into something? Or become, like, a source of information? Because the sorting hats song gave info that everyone has to stick together, so maybe she is saying it like. . .not actually becoming something, but as a means for knowledge or something.
pumpkinjuice
Apr 4 2007, 07:21 PM
The Spine Symbol:When I looked at the high-res version, the circle did not, to me, look asymmetrical anymore. It looked like a clean bisection. Am I wrong? Like Cris, I've tried to find some symbolic tradition to locate it in, but suspect that JKR has amalgamated something from her own head, just like she did with the Rune symbols in the book on the shelf on her website. All extant Runes I've found are angular, whereas hers are pictorial--almost heiroglyphic. Hmmm....Heiroglyphic...Egypt...Ollivanders founded in 300-something BC, somewhere magic occurs....
What is the circle/line/triangle in Egyptian symbolism?
Sorting Hat:It does seem to me that the Sorting Hat has to have a final role--after all, the founders are the ones who "put some brains in" the hat....not DD, not some headmaster before him, but the Founders. If we want to peer into the minds of the founders, the hat (symbolic of minds anyway) is how. So, the hat may know a little something about Hogwarts if asked properly. Maybe it might know a bit about the founders such that their remaining "artifacts" could be identified. Those songs are fashioned by a knowledgeable, thinking entity (tho I guess it would qualify as one of those things not to be trusted since you cannot see the brain it thinks with....).
Frank Bryce:QUOTE
Frank Bryce heard LV talking and heard words like wizard and others he couldn't grasp. He just thought LV, Peter and BC Jr were spies using code. He is now dead and willing to accept things he wouldn't have as a live muggle....
That's right, I forgot about the code thing....but he still fascinates me, like there's something odd about someone who stays on at a residence where (one imagines) he gets paid by and serves an unseen owner of the property, and guards the house like it's a sacred space. Just...something....odd.....
Da Box
Apr 4 2007, 10:03 PM
Crystal ball: Divination
Stars: Constellation?: Centaurs?
Maybe Firence (sp?) will finally tell Harry something worth to know, can centaurs say prophecys too?
SakuraBlossom
Apr 4 2007, 10:39 PM
Okay I've tried to read as many of the comments as possible and I really think most people are reading way to much into the covers and seeing stuff that's not there.
I personally feel that neither of the cover are showing anything majorly important and most deffinitly not the end battle, it's to much of a crucial scene for Rowling to allow it to be illustated on the cover.
I gonna go with the behind the veil theory for the US cover, but I do not think this is the final battle scene and I'm still not convinced that that is Lord Voldemort.
A lot of people reccon it can't be behind the veil because A. they are curtains and B. they are the wrong shade.
Everyone's idea of a veil will be different, so the fact that they look more like curtains rather than a veil could just be down to the artist, as for them being a different color, it's the light from the room that giving everything an orange tint the curtains could be any color , it's certainly hard to be 100% sure.
As for the UK's children cover I haven't a clue were they are but I don't think the sky in the backround being the same means this place is the same or related to the place on the US cover.
I reccon the fancy robes are again just the way the artist as drawn them nothing more.
As for the elf on Harry back I'm almost sure that's not Dobby but I think it's Kreacher simply because Rowling told the film producers of Order Of The Poenix to put him into the movie cause he will prove to be important later on.
Also to me personally that elf don't look to friendly, looks almost like he's gonna stab Harry.
The only bit that I think is of importance is the mark on the spine I've tried searching but can't find a thing.
Prongs could just be there cause were gonna find out more about James (I've always found it weird the way James death was never really fully explained).
Also I cannot see Malfoy in that armour like some people can, he's not there I tell you.
If anything the UK adult cover is of most significance, all of the adult cover have so far shown something of great importance to the plot, take a look
http://www.bloomsbury.com/harrypotter/default.asp?sec=2Most deffinitely Slitherins locket on the adult cover
Can't wait till the books out so we can all find out what is actually going on.
thatsProfessortoyou
Apr 5 2007, 12:12 AM
QUOTE(pumpkinjuice @ Apr 4 2007, 03:21 PM) [snapback]358908[/snapback]
The Spine Symbol:
That's right, I forgot about the code thing....but he still fascinates me, like there's something odd about someone who stays on at a residence where (one imagines) he gets paid by and serves an unseen owner of the property, and guards the house like it's a sacred space. Just...something....odd.....
I thought that was strange also, who is the unknown owner of the Riddle House? Very intriguing. An ordinary muggle would have had the place torn down or something, not just left it there to moulder. Could it be Lucius holding it for his master? Could it be Snape? Who could be holding onto the house, as is and paying a reclusive old muggle to do nothing?
Frank himself is not that odd. JKRs description of his life and mishaps would explain away his hermit lifestyle.
SakuraBlossom If the entity on the left hand side of the USC is not LV then who in blue blazes is it?
If Kreacher was instructed to not hurt Harry in any way, maybe, but highly unlikely. Yes, Kreacher will be in the last book but so will Dobby. Dobby would 'have Harry's back' not Kreacher.
I thought of two new locations to look for symbols, well pumpkinjuice reminded me of one I forgot to check. Egyptian symbols. I cannot manuver in JKRs website for some reason, like I can't get the spider your supposed to be able to capture...but there are all kinds of things there.
Cris
fresh-pickled toad
Apr 5 2007, 02:00 AM
SakuraBlossom
Draco is in the picture you have to look really closely and have good eysight.
At first I didn't see it either I must have seen it thousands of times but then I zoomed it in and there he was clear as crystal.
He is there don't give up looking for him because he is there. Then I zoomed out to the regular size and I still saw him he is there you just have to look.
twilightprince
Apr 5 2007, 02:51 AM
The detail in the U.S. cover that stands out to me the most (besides Harry and Voldemort) is the arched structure in the background. I notice that there is a similar structure on the cover of the Sorcerer's Stone. Since the cover of the first book is a portrayal of the Hogwarts grounds, this leads me to believe that the scene depicted on the Deathly Hallows is also on the Hogwarts grounds. To fiery orange colors seem to indicate that something is on fire. Could Hogwarts be in the procees of being burned to the ground? Maybe the final battle between Harry and Lord Voldemort takes place at Hogwarts, and Voldemort destroys the place where he was taught all he knows. The curtains on the sides, which are not black like the veil in the Department of Ministries, look like maybe the view is coming from within the castle. The shadowy figures in the background could be the students and teachers of Hogwarts all gathered around the watch as Harry and Voldemort battle it out. But then another question arises: why aren't Harry and Voldemort fighting? It sort of looks like both Harry and Voldemort are looking at the same thing, and Harry has his arm outstretched as if he is trying to catch something. Could the object Harry is trying to get his hands on the final Horcrux, besides Voldemort himself? If so, this would mean that Voldemort is backing away because he knows that if he tries anything then Harry will destroy the Horcrux. Sounds intense! Ooh I really can't wait until it comes out. I'm going to have to spend 24 (or less) undisturbed hours devouring the contents of its pages. Yum yum!
Looney Lovegoddess
Apr 5 2007, 03:31 AM
As for the treasure in the UK cover I think that they are in Gofric Gryfindor's chamber. Maybe Dobby discovered it and wanted to show Harry? All of the rubies lead me to believe this. I have a far-fetched theory as to the entrance to this chamber. In the COS when Harry and Ron were hiding from the troll (trying to make sure Hermione was safe) they hid behind a statue of a griffen. Maybe its just the meds talking, maybe its something significant?
As to the US cover, I think that Harry is reaching for Fawkes and LV is moving away because the Phoenix song puts fear in the heart of evil.
Thornberrycake
Apr 5 2007, 09:00 AM
Hey
pumkinjuice! I really love your idea about the sorting hat!
It seems convincing to me that the hat does play a vital role either in identifying the founders´artifacts or maybe even in giving hints about their whereabouts.
MaGicAl ThReEXxX
Apr 5 2007, 11:27 AM
Well, i absolutely love the English edition (which is what we get)!! It's so intricate and detailed and answers quite a few answers!

They must all be looking for the Horcruxes in a chamber of treasures! well, i'm sure someone has already said this though!
Krissy15
Apr 5 2007, 03:23 PM
QUOTE(SakuraBlossom @ Apr 4 2007, 05:39 PM) [snapback]359094[/snapback]
I gonna go with the behind the veil theory for the US cover, but I do not think this is the final battle scene and I'm still not convinced that that is Lord Voldemort.
A lot of people reccon it can't be behind the veil because A. they are curtains and B. they are the wrong shade.
Everyone's idea of a veil will be different, so the fact that they look more like curtains rather than a veil could just be down to the artist, as for them being a different color, it's the light from the room that giving everything an orange tint the curtains could be any color , it's certainly hard to be 100% sure.
That's entirely true, but Mary Grandpre has drawn it before and has depicted it completely different.
http://www.veritaserum.com/galleries/displ...m=77&pos=45You can see the veil how she draws it in the background. I think there is another drawing as well, but i can't find it now.
My thinking about the UK version is that they could MAYBE be in Gringotts because they are surrounded by gold and the thing on Harrys back could be a goblin because just by the hands and ears to me it isnt how i would picture a house elf although that will be different for everyone i guess.
In fact im probably completey off and that is dobby/kreacher/some other house elf.
But one thing im sure about is that sword is Godric Gryffindors (sp?) because around the bottom some where in one of the books im assuming its the 2nd one with the chamber of secrets and all that but anyway it is decribed as having rubies the size of eggs so basicly yeah i dunno its got me thinks now and i dont know

ahhhhh
Ok im rambling now so i think ill go
The Silver Unspeakable
Apr 5 2007, 07:03 PM
QUOTE(Vee @ Apr 5 2007, 06:18 PM) [snapback]359702[/snapback]
My thinking about the UK version is that they could MAYBE be in Gringotts because they are surrounded by gold and the thing on Harrys back could be a goblin
Another good reason that it would be a goblin, if in fact that is Gringotts, is because only a goblin can get into the vaults. Remember, in SS, the goblin slid his finger along the door to open it, and he said that only a goblin could do it; anyone else would get trapped inside for years. Also, I just re-read the Gringotts part and it mentioned that there was a goblin weighing a pile of very large rubies. This connects to all the rubies on the front, but then again it could be completely coincidental and just a side note of description. But the way it was written made me wonder, "Hmm...I wonder why she included that in there." I'll have to go back and look up the exact quote so I can show you what I mean.
Thornberrycake
Apr 5 2007, 07:11 PM
I´m totally with Krissy15 on this on: GrandPré drew the veil before and it´s much different. She would stick with how she imagines it.
Vee & The Silver Unspeakable: I too think it´s Gringotts and a goblin. Look at how Cockroft pictured goblins and houselves before (Fountain of Magical Brethren on the back flap of OotP). As I said in a previous post: Look closely at the ears!
thatsProfessortoyou
Apr 5 2007, 07:21 PM
There is nothing coincidental in HP. The rubies were probably a clue. I agree that it could be Gringotts. Where else could there be such treasure and possibly a dragon in the vault?
Cris
PurpleForge
Apr 5 2007, 10:41 PM
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Lupin, whom we know to be more powerful than he appears, used wandless magic to conjure fire in the palm of his hand on the Hogwarts' Express when the lights went out: POA beginning of the book. Nowhere else in the books do I recall any wizard conjuring fire in the palm of their hand.
Dumbledore used Arresto Momentum at the Quidditch match when Harry fell off his broom from the Dementors. No wand, just his hand.
Snape can use wandless magic, too. Snape tries to hex Harry in class, while the students are attempting NVBL spells. No wand. Harry instinctively used the shield charm and Snape hit a desk, as I recall.
Wandless magic is there, but it seems to walk in the shadows of the books, rather than in the forefront. For those skilled in it, it seems quite powerful.
I completely disagree Sirren, I don't think that wandless magic is there. In fact, I just re-read book three and all it says is:
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There was a soft, crackling noise, and a shivering light filled the compartment. Professor Lupin appeared to be holding a handful of flames. They illuminated his tired, gray face, but his eyes looked alert and wry.
So if fact it never says anything about him conjuring the flames without his wand. It just so happens that the flames don't need the conjurer to be constantly directing their wand at the flames in order to remain conjured.
In the movies, wandless magic is used because it
is the movies. A lot of things in the movies are not at all what they are in the book and one has to differentiate between the two. JK didn't create the movies but she did create the books and in the books there are in no use of wandless magic.
I don't know what you are talking about when you refer to the spell Snape cast. Please explain.
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purpleforge, I completely disagree. I will have to find the quotes or the places where I got those ideas but I believe that it takes a Truely Talented Wizard to perform wandless magic.
Harry can perfrom wandless magic because he is either a very talented wizard or he has some of LVs powers.
Hagrid does ask him if things happen when he is truely emotional, and we know it has but that is undirected. Directed wandless magic is a much much higher ability along with voiceless magic which Snape was trying to teach Harry for a while.
As far as the prophecy, yes DD said that not all prophecies come true and all that but remember, this is a book created by a woman. Choice of words is everything. She could have said "either will die by the other" or "one will kill the other" or "one will magically kill the other" etc. etc. etc.
But she didn't she said "by the hand of the other" I maintain, with a purpose. Changing words, commas, punctuation, changes the whole meaning of a phrase.
I disagree, thatsprofessortoyou, I don't think that 'wandless' magic is a mark of experience and power but of inexperience and lack of magical disipline and control. Whenever Harry does seem to do magic not using a wand it is also not using a spell. He just as he says in book three when referring to the glass breaking:
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It had been a long time since he'd lost control and made something explode.
Furthermore whenever he does do 'wandless' magic, he is always angry and upset. The prophecy says that the power Harry has that can vanquish the dark lord is love. If he can't do 'wandless' magic in any other emotional state but anger (or not at all), it doesn't fit the prophecy!
Edit: Sorry it's taken such a long time to reply but I've been busy.
Askem-Bruv
Apr 5 2007, 11:38 PM
dunno whether anyone has mentioned it yet but on the US cover harry is actually wearing a locket round his neck! Is it the one he recovered when he was with dumbledore? Or the locket that is actually a horcrux? (by my beliefs the one they couldn't open in OoTP) cant wait for the book to come out!!!

oh yeah! the people/shadows you can see surounding harry and voldemort... could they be death eaters?
mrs hagrid
Apr 6 2007, 12:48 AM
I just got a quickie look at the cover of the last HP book and I have to admit I hate it.

I don't know if we get a different one here in Australia but the drawings are horrible and I can not for the life of me figure out what the drawing is trying to depict. From what I saw on the tellie, there is the three of them surrounded by gold and jewelry.
I have to admit I prefer the adult version. I am planning on getting the adult cover. Dissapointed Jan.
mrs hagrid
seamus-finn
Apr 6 2007, 12:52 AM
Ok so this is my thought on the US cover. I haven't really looked at the others because I don't live in the UK and I am not an adult. SO when we see Harry and and VOldy reaching towards the sky why would they. And the thing that gets me is they aren't facing each other. THey are both looking in the same direction and seemed to be trying to stop something. Is it something more powerful than either of them. Has it caused VOldy to beg or want Harry's assisstance? Are the giants and dementors and all the other bad creatures turning on their "master"? Or and this thought is very far off but are their muggles with powers that could hurt the wizards and witches. Oh the art just leaves such a cliffhanger. I actually like the muggle theory what if evolution is just granting them the powers that come with emotions like love or hate towrds somehting that is different from there. THen there is the possibility and i know none of you will like this but has Harry joinded VOldemort? Think about it consider the possibilities. THere are so many!!!!
Uglybaldboy
Apr 6 2007, 01:30 AM
PurpleForge: You're right about those examples not showing wandless magic, but they are some examples in the books. For example, in HBP we hear that young Tom Riddle tortured the kids and an animal (dog i think) before he even knew he was magical. Even Dumbledore said he had considerable control over his magic for someone so young.
Also, in PS Quirrell did some wandless magic in the last chapter, 'The Man with Two Faces', its at the bottom of the first page (in the UK ed).
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Quirrell snapped his fingers. Ropes sprang out of thin air and wrapped themselves tightly around Harry.
Although, I don't think wandless magic is going to be all that important, as JKR has said that wands help to channel the users magic. So i would think this would mean that wands are involved with the more powerful forms of magic. Also, the US cover might be showing wandless magic, but it seems more likely that it is something else. To me, Harry is beckoning someone/something and Voldermort is scared by it, holding his hands up to ward it off.
thatsProfessortoyou
Apr 6 2007, 11:55 AM
QUOTE(Uglybaldboy @ Apr 5 2007, 09:30 PM) [snapback]360049[/snapback]
Also, the US cover might be showing wandless magic, but it seems more likely that it is something else. To me, Harry is beckoning someone/something and Voldermort is scared by it, holding his hands up to ward it off.
I agree that it looks like LV is scared and cowering in the corner while Harry is summoning something, summoning without a wand. If I am wrong and wandless magic isn't the issue I think it is, perhaps it is Fawkes or another Phoenix. Or perhaps Norbert or another dragon... I think, because of the colors around it could be Fawkes.
Back to the wand: I think the wand helps channel the magic. A truely strong and talleneted wizard would be able to channel his magic without a wand. It would be a sign of a truly powerful wizard.
Think of 'muggle' magic, or slight of hand. A kid learns a trick or two and that is all they can do. A new magician needs pattented tricks and lots of props. As the person progresses he needs less and less of the props. A good magician can perfrom slight of hand without props or just one.
Perhaps DDs message that Harry's emotions also point to wandless magic. Wizard kids perform magic before they go to school when they are highly emotional. Harry will be highly emotional when he faces off with LV. He will be able to do what he needs sans wand because of this. Snape was wrong in trying to teach Harry to suppress his emotions.
Cris
El Barto
Apr 6 2007, 02:15 PM
QUOTE
Furthermore whenever he does do 'wandless' magic, he is always angry and upset. The prophecy says that the power Harry has that can vanquish the dark lord is love. If he can't do 'wandless' magic in any other emotional state but anger (or not at all), it doesn't fit the prophecy!
I agree that Harry can't control himself when it comes to wandless magic. He has only done it when he's angry, such as blowing up his aunt. Its not out of the question that he can master it but I doubt he will. However, no where in the prophecy does it say the power that the vanquisher has is love. I do think it is, but the prophecy doesn't say it.
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And the thing that gets me is they aren't facing each other.
On the US one it looks like Harry is looking away but Voldemort has his eyes on Harry, but both are trying to get (or push away) whatever is coming towards them.
HeIsntDead
Apr 6 2007, 02:33 PM
FOCUSING ON THE US VERSION
I am guessing that this book is not going to be as violent as some of the other ones.... based on what Marie GrandPre said about her cover art. Basically, the darker the cover, the darker the book. The background on Deathly Hallows is fairly light, so I am assuming that many happy things happen! If anyone else has posted this, srry, but I couldn't view some of the other posts.
ALSO ON US: what if Harry is reaching up as if to call on his parents love. Dumbledore said that it is in his blood. So that means that it is also inside of Voldemort. Maybe Harry is calling on his parents love to destroy Voldemort from the inside.
pumpkinjuice
Apr 6 2007, 03:00 PM
QUOTE
I agree that Harry can't control himself when it comes to wandless magic. He has only done it when he's angry, such as blowing up his aunt. Its not out of the question that he can master it but I doubt he will. However, no where in the prophecy does it say the power that the vanquisher has is love. I do think it is, but the prophecy doesn't say it.
To me, the most important kind of wandless magic Harry has
IS Love. It's what banished LV from possessing him in OOTP. So I don't see why there is any question about there being wandless magic; it's just not some mysterious skill in Harry's case.
I was looking into our conversation about Ravenclaw/Air/could the Ravenclaw horcrux have something to do with a snitch, perhaps the snitch James had "nicked". So I skimmed QA this morning, and all the connections to the snitch point to Gryffendor. There's nothing that points to Ravenclaw regarding the birds originally used for the purposes. The inventor of the artificial snitch came from Godric's Hollow, Bowman Wright--a skilled "metal charmer". He left many rolls of parchment said in QA to be in the "possession of a private collector", reflecting the many orders for his successful snitch that he received from all over the world. It is also said that Quidditch pitches are "safest on deserted Moors" in terms of keeping them from the eyes of muggles (GG is from "Moor"). [Interesting sidenote: "Take out the Seeker" is "the first rule in Brutus
Scrimgeour's The Beater's Bible". Let's hope that is not a sign of RS turning on Harry.]
So, I suppose that the snitch James nicked could have been an unknown Gryffendor relic, and could be something that LV wanted from him. This would just mean that the cover does not depict a Ravenclaw reference of protection by air, but a GG snitch-grab.
thatsProfessortoyou
Apr 6 2007, 05:39 PM
QUOTE(pumpkinjuice @ Apr 6 2007, 11:00 AM) [snapback]360375[/snapback]
The inventor of the artificial snitch came from Godric's Hollow, Bowman Wright--a skilled "metal charmer". He left many rolls of parchment said in QA to be in the "possession of a private collector", reflecting the many orders for his successful snitch that he received from all over the world.
Interesting....when I did research on Nicholas Flamel and his talents in alchemy - the real life one- this is how his works were located after his death.
After several people tried to locate his papers, they tore apart his homes, his books and papers found themselves in the possession of a private collector. However this person could never figure out the information and make it work....
Just a very interesting aside sorry it is
Cris
pumpkinjuice
Apr 6 2007, 05:45 PM
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After several people tried to locate his papers, they tore apart his homes, his books and papers found themselves in the possession of a private collector. However this person could never figure out the information and make it work....
That's interesting. Could be JKR read all this stuff about Flamel and parcelled it out into her characters/story (little bit in DD, little bit in GG, little bit in Flamel, etc.)--the bit of truth that makes the fantasy ring...well...true...
Hmmm...If Godric's Hollow is named for/with GG, and GG came from moor, then it stands to reason that one of the Quidditch stadia that are safe at "moors" might be near GH. That could be where LV and Harry are on the cover. The Godric's Hollow Quidditch pitch.
fudge
Apr 6 2007, 06:07 PM
I have a crazy theory as to why neither Harry nor Voldemort have their wands on the cover of HPDH. There is a possibility that Voldemort turned his own wand into a Horcrux and that Harry destroyed that as the final Horcrux. And since their wands shared the tail feathers from the same pheonix, Harry's wand was also destroyed as he destroyed Voldemort's wand due to the Priori Incantatem effect.
QUOTE(mrs hagrid @ Apr 5 2007, 08:48 PM) [snapback]360027[/snapback]
I just got a quickie look at the cover of the last HP book and I have to admit I hate it.

I don't know if we get a different one here in Australia but the drawings are horrible and I can not for the life of me figure out what the drawing is trying to depict. From what I saw on the tellie, there is the three of them surrounded by gold and jewelry.
mrs hagrid
[indent]The cover of this version of HPDH is very significant as much as you may not like it. It reveals many clues to the plot of the new book. Take another look at the title and you will notice many of these clues and maybe you will appreciate the cover more now.
pumpkinjuice
Apr 6 2007, 06:14 PM
I was just looking for something in the last chapter of HBP, and came across this line, which sounds much more interesting now that we have the cover art in hand (pun intended, as you'll see in a moment)....
Harry is reciting the names of the horcruxes to himself as he ponders his path to destroy LV, and says:
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" He kept reciting their names to himself, as though by listing them he could bring them within reach"
and then he thinks,
QUOTE
"his dreams were thick with cups, lockets, and mysterious objects that he could not quite reach, though DD helpfully offered Harry a rope ladder that turned to snakes the moment he began to climb..."
Harry is associating horcruxes with 'reaching' and bringing them into reach by reciting their NAMES.
And here we have a USC cover where Harry is 'reaching' for something in the air.
Interesting.
Is the cover depicting Harry summoning a horcrux to himself by reciting its name, just as the legend is that by saying LV's name he might come after the speaker?
Sirren
Apr 7 2007, 01:58 PM
...ahhh, yes. And don't forget within the cave Harry asked Dumbledore if they shouldn't just try to summon the horcrux. Dumbledore stopped so abruptly, Harry ran into him. Such a simple thing to do: summon it to you. ACCIO HORCRUX!
Perhaps that a not-so-small clue right there.
Da Box
Apr 7 2007, 05:46 PM
And the strange thing about "Accio Horcrux!" in the cave is that something actually happened. If the thing you want to get isn't there, then nothing should happen, right? Why did the inferi do what it did to stop Harry from getting something that wasn't even there?
RIP_Sirius
Apr 7 2007, 07:50 PM
QUOTE(Da Box @ Apr 7 2007, 11:46 AM) [snapback]361289[/snapback]
If the thing you want to get isn't there, then nothing should happen, right? Why did the inferi do what it did to stop Harry from getting something that wasn't even there?
well, Harry might have used the words "Accio Horcrux", but i think magic and spells are more related to the mind or feelings, than actual words. he used the word Horcrux, but his mind was set on whatever was in the stone basin, that's why something actually happeded. plus, he did not know exactly WHICH one was located there, so the summoning charm should have worked on any one of them, or for that matter, any object that was to be found in the unreachable place.
thecortni
Apr 9 2007, 06:10 AM
I agree. I think that in magic--as it is in any fantasy-- you have to feel it before you can speak it. Harry knew that he was looking for something he most likely wouldn't be able to get at all easily. He didn't know what it was exactly but his gut feeling was strong enough to resonate and interact with the magic set upon the cave in protection of the Horcrux. I don't think anyone just trying to find a "horcrux" would get the reaction Harry. I think it might also have something to do with his connection to Lord Voldemort and the powers that were transferred to Harry from Voldemort.
Sirren
Apr 9 2007, 01:31 PM
Iin HBP at that part about Madam Pince, did you notice Harry is reading Quintessence: A Quest? Quintessence is supposed to be the fifth element after fire, water, air and earth. That is not the first time it is mentioned in the books, either.
Does Harry have to unite all four houses to get Quintessence to occur, appear or manifest itself somehow? Could that be what is depicted on the cover of DH?
RIP_Sirius
Apr 9 2007, 02:01 PM
i had no ideea what quintessence means, thanks for the tip. but it kinda failed to catch my eye. what do you mean it was not the first time JKR mentioned it in the books? sorry, i have the first 4 in romanian, and they usually translate almostr everything (even the name "Snape", for God's sake!!!!!!!!!

), so it's no wonder i've missed it before.
Regitze
Apr 9 2007, 02:51 PM
To RIP_Sirius: Yeah I know the feeling. I read the first couple of books in danish, and they like to translate almost everything too. It was really annoying, so now I'm reading the UK version.
The US cover showns a bunch of people standing behind Harry and Voldemort. They are shadowy so you can't make out who they are, and then there are the curtains. I think it has definately got something to do with the veil, I just can't make out what.
In front of Harry and Voldemort you see some smashed things. There has evidently been some sort of fight going on? Maybe the people are those from inside the veil, and they could be observing Harry and Voldemort. Maybe they can help Harry just like the 'shadows' of his mother, father, Cedric and Frank Bryce did in GoF?
Maybe neither Harry nor Voldemort is holding their wands, because of Priori Incantetem. Could it be, that their wands got destroyed, while fighting each other. And now they're using some kind of wandless magic?
It's definately interesting!
Darth_Oz
Apr 9 2007, 03:36 PM
Oh God, can't believe I didn't know the covers were out! All very exciting isn't it? Well, here are my thoughts:
UK Version:
* Harry, Ron, Hermione and either a House Elf or a Goblin appear to be careering down a chute with what looks to be a hoard of treaure. The most obvious location is Gringotts, but if so whose vault is it? Unlikely to be the Weasleys, and definitely not the Granger's but it could conceivably be Harry's? Probably Voldemort's though. (LOL... Or Mundungus Fletcher's!)
* The stag appears to be a silver patronus - not a physical stag, which I think means James is unlikely to return from the dead. On the plud side, we'll get to hear Harry roar "Expecto Patronum" again! :-D
* I believe the image of Hogwarts means that Harry will return there, at least for a short while - it wouldn't appear otherwise surely?
* The snakes? Very interesting... I hear the crystal ball argument but it could also be a prophecy from the Dept of Mysteries.
* The one that gets me is the icon on the upper part of the spine - what is it? What does it signify?
US Version:
* Obviously Harry and the Big V battling it out somewhere. If you were to discount the sky I'd say it looked like the Death Chamber in the Department of Mysteries - surrounded by seats with the ominous curtain. If this is the case, then what we are actually doing is looking out from the arch - Sirius' Point of View perhaps? The only other place I think it could be is Azkaban but it looks a bit... cheerful!
EDIT: I just remembered the peice in HBP where Harry thought about facing Voldemort in an arena - probably not to be taken literally at the time but a potential foreshadowing? And it could be me, but doesn't Harry look a lot calmer than Voldemort?
* I'm not sure yet which locket Harry is wearing but if you look closely I do believe you can make out his scar.
thecortni
Apr 9 2007, 09:23 PM
I do remember when Harry compared the prophecy and what it had to do iwth him to walking into an arena. I think that this place might actually be the death room in the DoM. The curtains seem to suggest so. However, there is a sky in that picture. The Death Chamber is in doors, not to mention underground. This makes me think they might actually be behind the veil, if they are, indeed, at the Department of Mysteries, in the Death Chamber.
sarahdaniell0ox
Apr 10 2007, 01:17 AM
i looked at the covers every day since they came out. they are two completly different things right? but i looked closer to the obvious. look at the UK edition, they are in an archway. look at the US edition, they are in a collosium. WAIT! but what is on the sides? i think its some sort of drapery . in my opinion, i think this is whats behind the veil. ARCHWAY....DRAPESS...
although, i could be wrong
thecortni
Apr 10 2007, 02:21 AM
There are plenty of speculations and theories about the US covers. But I don't think there are enough about the UK cover. I really wonder why they are there in a treasure room. It's been speculated to be a vault at Gringott's obviously. But whose? Also, why is there a magical creature with them? Is it a goblin or a house elf? If it's a house elf, is it Dobby? Also, if you'll look the trio appears to have bruises on them. Why? Were they battling something? What was it? Why is that magical creature behind Harry wielding a sword? Is it Gryffindor's sword? Also, what does that Snake in the Orb on the back in-flap mean? Why is there a stag on the front in-flap? Sooooo many questions, but not many theories. I've been wracking my brain trying to think of something, but I'm almost spent, and still...
Well...
kcl112
Apr 10 2007, 05:18 AM
they are in gringotts thats for sure. PS/SS page 57 uk edition in gringotts - "harry watched the goblin on thier right weighing a pile of rubies..".
on the cover there is only rubies!.
PS/SS page 58 - "once, he thought he saw a burst of fire and twisted around to see if it was a dragon..".
there looks like fire in the background and/or in harry`s glasses!
PS/SS page 59 - "if anyone but a gringotts golblin tried that, theyd be sucked through the door.."
in the cover the trio look like the are being sucked in !
so they are in GRINGOTTS
thecortni
Apr 10 2007, 05:36 AM
Whoa! Nice! Thanks for that. I don't know why I didn't think to research it. I guess I was depending on the new cover to give me answers about the upcoming books instead of search the previous books for answers to the questions about the new covers. That's really good. thanks.
cantwait
Apr 10 2007, 06:28 AM
I am not sure if anyone has noticed the connection between the US and UK version, but there is!!!!
In the UK version the background color inside the arch is orange and the background color for the whole US version is orange.
I am not 100 percent sure what that means, but i believe, they are being sucked into something, and possibly the thing on Harry's back in the UK version is Voldemort.
But that is just a really big guess. Oh I almost totally forgot. If you look for the audio version cover art of HP and the Deathly Hallows, it a locket with an S on it, i am not sure if it is a snake, but it is a necklace and something green is shaped like an S.
Thornberrycake
Apr 10 2007, 09:22 AM
The cover arts for the audio books are just the same as the three original cover arts - they´ve just been cut slightly differently to match the CD format.
I argued before that it is indeed Gringotts on the US cover though the one thing that doesn´t seem to fit is that the trio is sucked out of the vault instead of being sucked into it. (As the goblin mentions in Philosopher´s Stone: everyone exept a goblin trying to open the vault would be sucked into it and will be rotting there till someone finds him or her.)
April
Apr 10 2007, 04:37 PM
Does anyone remember in HBP that Fleur said she wanted to be married in pale gold? Arn't those curtains pale gold? Maybe the cover art(just like the others in US) show more than one event. In this case Harry and LV's battle and Bill and Fleur's wedding. What do you think?
pumpkinjuice
Apr 10 2007, 05:09 PM
QUOTE
they are in gringotts thats for sure. PS/SS page 57 uk edition in gringotts - "harry watched the goblin on thier right weighing a pile of rubies..".
on the cover there is only rubies!.
PS/SS page 58 - "once, he thought he saw a burst of fire and twisted around to see if it was a dragon..".
there looks like fire in the background and/or in harry`s glasses!
PS/SS page 59 - "if anyone but a gringotts golblin tried that, theyd be sucked through the door.."
in the cover the trio look like the are being sucked in !
so they are in GRINGOTTS
Very Good, that's what we needed! A point of reference in the text rather than wild guesswork. That really does look like a nice way to wrap the series in a scene-setting that ends where things began.
MargheritaDolceVita
Apr 10 2007, 05:36 PM
hi everyone,
i post this link so that anyone can get a hig resolutoin file of the ukc cover, that can be zoomed in wihtout looding resolution...and without loosing details...
http://www.bloomsbury.com/media/hp7childre...gh_complete.jpg for instance:
if you zoom into harry's forehead you will notice that the scar is still there,
as far as thelocatino is concerned it hink that they are in one of the gringots vaults, maybe lucius malfoy's?
as for the us edition:
it does seem the death chamber to me, but i don't think that they are behind the veil, it rather seems that they are in the death chamber, and that the point of view of the picture is the one of a person looking at the scene from behind the curtain...
..just guessing..
Da Box
Apr 10 2007, 06:40 PM
Maybe it has been said before, but what if the suit of armour in the Uk version is the goblin made armour that Tom was going to buy from Hepzibah Smith in one of the memories? I don't know why it would be there and how it got there, but we don't know the look of it, so it could be it.
thecortni
Apr 10 2007, 08:43 PM
QUOTE(MargheritaDolceVita @ Apr 10 2007, 01:36 PM) [snapback]364067[/snapback]
hi everyone,
i post this link so that anyone can get a hig resolutoin file of the ukc cover, that can be zoomed in wihtout looding resolution...and without loosing details...
http://www.bloomsbury.com/media/hp7childre...gh_complete.jpg for instance:
if you zoom into harry's forehead you will notice that the scar is still there,
as far as thelocatino is concerned it hink that they are in one of the gringots vaults, maybe lucius malfoy's?
as for the us edition:
it does seem the death chamber to me, but i don't think that they are behind the veil, it rather seems that they are in the death chamber, and that the point of view of the picture is the one of a person looking at the scene from behind the curtain...
..just guessing..
I must ask if it was set in stone that the last word of the story would be "scar." If so, was it then set it stone that it would involve Harry's scar disappearing? I would just like some clarity as to that particular claim. Would you or anyone be able to point me toward an interview or article that explains that?
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