Looney Lovegoddess
Apr 27 2007, 09:41 PM
Does anyone notice the swirling motion that happens as the light focuses and unfocuses? This is very odd.
Uglybaldboy
Apr 27 2007, 10:25 PM
It seems to me that the circle is spinning on the verticle line (well obviously it isn't but it would if it was moving) and this is the reason for the slight difference in the right and left sides and for the left sides relationship to the triangle.
But what would a spinning circle in the middle of a triangle represent?
thatsProfessortoyou
Apr 28 2007, 01:32 AM
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It seems to me that the circle is spinning on the verticle line (well obviously it isn't but it would if it was moving) and this is the reason for the slight difference in the right and left sides and for the left sides relationship to the triangle.
But what would a spinning circle in the middle of a triangle represent?
I said that earlier. It looks like not only is the cicle spinning to the right but the triangle is spinning to the left. I thought it could be something like a time turner.
Now knowing that the stone background on the book seems to be important and the sound of it being etched into the material, how could it be spinning?
It does look like 1/2 a larger circle and 1/2 a smaller circle. The bisecting item seems to be an arrow pointing up. At the top where it touches the angle of the triangle it looks like an arrow point. Since the Bloomsbury website has that line going up it makes me think that is significant too.
Cris
Monel, If you look at it in the middle, the light does get brighter. Almost as if someone is walking towards it with a lit wand or something on the other side or
in it is getting brighter then fading away. That would make the light pool expand and recede. )or wider to narrower).
Cris
Kimberly<3
Apr 28 2007, 04:03 AM
Is it just me or on the locket Harry is wearing in the US Edition that is a lightning bolt.
This could be a proving factor that Harry was or is a horcrux
Post back if you agree or disagree
thecortni
Apr 28 2007, 06:22 AM
I don't see a lightning bolt on the locket. Most of us have just assumed it was Slytherin's locket, either the fake one or the authentic one. But who is to say there isn't a bolt on it. I don't think Harry is a horcrux. There's more in the 'Is Harry a Horcrux' thread... or something like that.
pumpkinjuice
Apr 28 2007, 01:53 PM
No question that the Bloomsbury site symbol is being carved in stone. My guess about the light source shining on it is that the symbol is being illuminated by someone's wand being held up to it. Now, since the symbol is carved in stone but represents motion, my guess is that it could indicate that it is a symbol on a door or portal of some kind, indicating which side the person is supposed to press on in order to make it swing open. So, like the RoR and the cave door in HBP, it is an invisible door unless you know how to open it. But why would something on the door tell you how to open it? Maybe additional Rune-knowledge (i.e.Hermione) will provide the rest of what's needed to make the door spin open?
Has anyone discovered if there is anything interactive about the objects that appear on the right as you click each category--the PS, Hedwig, Slytherin's Locket, JKR's portrait, the quill, the glowing book, etc.--they seem like they might be and yet I cannot get anything to happen with them.
Edit:
I just looked again at the spine image on the book cover. Definitely Marble. So now I'm wondering, is it a symbol on DD's tomb?
thecortni
Apr 28 2007, 03:51 PM
That's brilliant! That could definitely be so. If I was sure, I'd say that it could be a symbol that, with a little investigation from the trio and those of the Order who aren't entirely sure of the specifics of Dumbledore's death, could be interpreted. It could be interpreted to find out the things that were never solved about Dumbledore's death and all the mystery behind Snape.
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but I can't help thinking that the symbol on the Bloomsbury cover is related to one of the spindly, tinkling items that were in Dumbledore's office. I don't think it's a likeness to one of them, but maybe something more like instructions as to what to do with it? Perhaps the Symbol is something carved on or enchanted into DD's tomb and refers to a spindly instrument that can be used to open it? I'm not sure, but it's a nagging feeling I have.
umbridge_must_die
Apr 28 2007, 06:17 PM
erm the UK cover (the one i'm going to get) is really different from the US, I don't see any symbols on the UK cover. But I did notice that the arch that the trio are falling through looks like the one sirius fell through - the veil. TDH sounds like something ghostly and there has always been something mysterious and wonderful about the veil. My guess is the trio will go through it - maybe into a new realm? Something tells me dobby will follow too.
monel_33
Apr 29 2007, 09:22 AM
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It looks like not only is the circle spinning to the right but the triangle is spinning to the left. I thought it could be something like a time turner.
Now knowing that the stone background on the book seems to be important and the sound of it being etched into the material, how could it be spinning?
It does look like 1/2 a larger circle and 1/2 a smaller circle. The bisecting item seems to be an arrow pointing up. At the top where it touches the angle of the triangle it looks like an arrow point. Since the Bloomsbury website has that line going up it makes me think that is significant too.
Cris
Monel, If you look at it in the middle, the light does get brighter. Almost as if someone is walking towards it with a lit wand or something on the other side or in it is getting brighter then fading away. That would make the light pool expand and recede. )or wider to narrower).
Cris
I think the order in which the elements are drawn on the Bloomsbury site is also relevant. Especially to the fact that it's not an arrow, but a simple triangle.
Also, the explanation as to why it looks like it's spinning and yet it's clearly 2D is very nicely put by pumpkinjuice in the post quoted below.
The movement of the light pool makes sense in connection to a wand approaching.
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No question that the Bloomsbury site symbol is being carved in stone. My guess about the light source shining on it is that the symbol is being illuminated by someone's wand being held up to it. Now, since the symbol is carved in stone but represents motion, my guess is that it could indicate that it is a symbol on a door or portal of some kind, indicating which side the person is supposed to press on in order to make it swing open. So, like the RoR and the cave door in HBP, it is an invisible door unless you know how to open it. But why would something on the door tell you how to open it? Maybe additional Rune-knowledge (i.e.Hermione) will provide the rest of what's needed to make the door spin open?
I just looked again at the spine image on the book cover. Definitely Marble. So now I'm wondering, is it a symbol on DD's tomb?
I definitely hope that Hermione's rune knowledge will come in handy in Book 7 in some very relevant way. And Arithmancy, whatever that is.
Is there clear reference to marble in any other context than DD's tomb?
Oh, and you guys didn't say anything about the very clear star at the left of the symbol, and how similar it is to that in the orb on UKC.
Looney Lovegoddess
Apr 30 2007, 06:02 AM
There are two other references to marble in the books. The first is the prefects' bathroom in GOF and In the graveyard also in GOF.
Someone suggested a time turner of sorts.Well what if it is and somehow Harry and LV are transported back in time?!

Because after finishing my 7th re-read of OOTP today that is what popped into my mind and maybe that is where they are on the US cover?
Gia Malfoy Black
Apr 30 2007, 06:49 AM
This is all so interesting...
When I was looking at the UK cover I noticed a black little dog on top of the word 'Bloomsbury' and I thought that maybe it was like the symbol of the company, but just noticed that their symbol is:
http://www.bloomsbury.com/images/HeadGraph...HGraphic022.gifSo, that little black dog could represent the return of Sirius?
LooneyLovegood916
Apr 30 2007, 08:41 AM
I'm not quit sure if anyone has said this yet..since there is infact 31 pages and I haven't had time to read through all them...but I noticed something last night when I was reading HBP for the 4th time.....in the US edition they are in an arena on the cover art of the book....and in HBP there is a paragraph that states...
But he understood at last what Dumbledore had been trying to tell him. It was, the thought, the difference between being dragged into the arena to face a battle to the death and walking into the arena with your head held high. Some people, perhaps would say that there was a little to choose between the two ways, but Dumbledore knew--and so do I, thought Harry with a rush of fierce pride, and so did my parents--that there was all the difference in the world. page 512 HBP
Maybe that is the arena that he faces Voldie in....a battle to death....just my opinion though we all know how clever J.k. Rowling likes to leave little riddles for us...again sorry if someone already posted this....
thatsProfessortoyou
Apr 30 2007, 01:01 PM
pumpkinjuice I like the idea it could be a symbol on DDs tomb. Could DDs tomb be a 'doorway' into a vault? Could the treasure on the cover of the UKC be riches and special stuff of the Headmasters?
Yeah, I played with the website and noticed the other stuff, including the orb. Do you think the other images on the website will give other clues?
thecortni I thought about the spindly instruments too but your ideas is fantastic. That one of them could be the key to open the tomb or the room in the RoR? cool
Gia Malfoy Black Bloomsbury has different symbols. I believe the dog is for childrens books and the symbol you showed is for adult books. If you pull the covers of the other children's books you will see little Fido there.
LooneyLovegood916 No, noone has picked up on that in reference to the covers and the arena appearance. That is brilliant!!! It could be just the clue JKR left us. Could it be a figurative arena? All the wizarding world is watching the outcome of the struggle between Harry and LV (good and evil)? Or is there really going to be an arena someplace?
Great Job!!!
umbridge_must_die The symbol is on the spine of the UKC cover, above the title etc.
I really like both the idea that the symbol has a power, possibly the same power as the sealed room in the RoR? and the idea that it could be approaching wand light. I will have to ponder this some more, and stare at the image until I go blind...
Cris
pumpkinjuice
Apr 30 2007, 05:53 PM
As to what else is marble, isn't the infamous staircase made of marble? wouldnt it be interesting if this was an instruction from Rowena Ravenclaw about how to manipulate the moving staircases in some deliberate and important way? A control button of some kind?
hmm
LooneyLovegood916
Apr 30 2007, 06:16 PM
I think like you that it's probably figurative....that it is a battle between good and evil...but when I saw that paragraph my immediate reaction was that it's odd how there is an arena on the cover of the US edition and right before the end of the book (HBP) there is a reference to an arena...I really do think that there will be infact a battle to death between Voldie and Harry....maybe the dark shadows in the stands in the arena are the deatheaters....or maybe it is infact the whole wizarding world watching Harry and Voldie....O gosh...is it July yet!!!!
Gia Malfoy Black
Apr 30 2007, 09:06 PM
Thanks for the explanation Cris, I have only managed to get the American version and not the one from the UK, that's why I couldn't really check if the previous books had the same symbol or not.
Well I still have for a Sirius come back...
Looney Lovegoddess
May 1 2007, 02:36 AM
I found a really interesting pic on another site that matches the symbol on the UK spine exactly. It is a pic from GOF in DD's office. Its a picture of one of DD's instruments
here's the link:
http://beyondhogwarts.com/harry-potter/art...ogy-symbol.htmlAfter seeing this photo I am convinced that the symbol represents one of DD's many instruments.
Thornberrycake
May 1 2007, 09:52 AM
Interesting pic. But letīs face it: A circle and a triangle just like their 3-dimensional counterparts pyramide and globe are common if not the most common geometrical forms.
I donīt think we can derive a lot from the symbol itself.
I highly doubt that the set designer had some sort of special insight concerning the plot of book 7.
Nonetheless I strongly go with the theory from beyondhogwarts that the symbol does indeed represent the four elements - thus the four founders. Not really because the symbol depicts it explicitly, but because of the storyline and JKīs hints so far. Nothing else really makes sense to me.
pumpkinjuice
May 1 2007, 12:38 PM
Yeah, I don't think any piece of historical information, either of Anglo-Saxon or previous movie origin, will tell us exactly what this symbol means symbolically, any more than we could have divined the meaning of dog-Sirius or the ring on the other spines without the book itself. The only concrete hint we have (pun intended) is the fact that both the picture on the spine and the Bloomsbury web version indicate MARBLE. Right now I'm inclined to think the big white tomb of DD or the staircase are implicated by the symbol. As to its meaning, I wonder if it is Runes, since on JKR's website the runes are pictorial, not geometric. I think this symbol is not Rune, though I hope runes are in fact involved in DH. This may have more to do with a mathematical kind of magic, arithmancy or alchemy.
Sirren
May 1 2007, 01:38 PM
The symbol on Bloomsbury's site is interesting. The sound of the etching definitely indicates stone of some sort. Marble certainly seems to be the most plausible. Yet, for me, the question is: What glows and fades of its own accord? The rings that resonate out of the center when the light is slowly pulsing almost make me think it is more than light, also sound. Light-waves travel differently; sound-waves travel just like the rings we see emanating from the center, so I tend to lean towards the idea that there is both light and sound coming from the object. Perhaps it is not a symbol on something, but rather it is something itself?
We don't see a tool being used to draw the symbol, maybe if a wizard/witch traced the symbol with his/her wand (upon whatever the symbol appears), that magic activates it somehow? Upon the book cover, the symbol is flat and lifeless. On the website, it is anything but flat and lifeless. So, I wonder if it is both? Flat and lifeless until activated by the tracing of a wand, and then it becomes active itself.
The circles emanating out definitely indicate to me the presense of sound. So, could it be something to do with the Veil? Harry and Luna heard voices behind the Veil. Of course, we still have the title "Deathly Hallows" and that so much happens on Halloween.
SakuraBlossom
May 1 2007, 02:36 PM
Okay so the symbol on the spine of the UK's children cover is really getting to me.
I've been looking on a rune's site and what if the "line" in the middle isn't a line at all but an arrow, it's not like the arrow would really stand out to us as it just blends in with the rest of the symbol.
The description for the arrow rune is:
Tyr Warrior God; This represents the war god who sacrificed his sword arm to save the other gods and therefore represents sacrifice for a long term goal. It is the battle rune including heroism and victory in it's meaning.So this rune represents battle, sacrifice, heroism and victory all of which could be applied to the storyline.
Harry battles Voldermort, sacrifices himself and winning victory for the wizarding world.
Definitely would be heroic wouldn't it.
This is the site I used for the rune description:
http://www.uponreflection.co.uk/runeworld/tyrs_eight.htm
thatsProfessortoyou
May 1 2007, 02:53 PM
oohh this is agravating. I know that you all say that only the book is cannon. I disagree to some extent. In listening to the interviews on the DVDs given by JKR herself, she says she had a close hand in things. She kept the important things in the movie for future plot. She made them leave things in because if it was important. She wouldn't let them put the Hogwarts cemetary between the school and Hagrid's hut because it went someplace else and was important later.
Don't you think she could have had some influence in some items in set design????
I'm not saying the item from the movie is definitely the symbol. I am saying it shouldn't be disregarded because it is in the movie and not the book. I can see JKR playfully placing it there as 'aftermarket' foreshadowing.
As far as the symbol on the website - it's not cannon either, remember...
OK enough ranting.
About the symbol on the website - don't forget it is limited by current technology. Meaning that the circles could just be the only way the webdesigner could create the affect of the glowing changing intensity.
so it could be intentional circles or just a limitation of technology.
I viewed it as a limitation and that the image was showing the light brightening and dimming. I took it as the object glowing with some kind of power of it's own.
However, I think I like pumpkinjuice's idea better. Added with Sirren's idea. someone with a wand has done some kind of magic to reveal the symbol that reveals a door or other entrance. They are getting closer with a wand using 'lumos'.
I really like the staircase and tomb thing. Perhaps the object in DDs office can still come into play. They are clues for what to look for. Perhaps DDs tomb is the entrance or the staircase is an entrance to the vault they are falling into on the cover o f the UKC.
Cris
Sirren
May 1 2007, 03:08 PM
Cris: I completely agree with you. JKR had creative influence on the movies, so there are things in the movies that must be taken as canon. The question is what? ha ha ha
Do you think it is possible the symbol is actually an activator on the Pensieve? Remember there were Rune symbols all around the edge of the Pensieve. We see this in the movie, and we are told this in the book.
Dumbledore is more complicated than just being dead: do you think it is something he left for Harry to guide/teach/explain missing information he still needs?
I do agree with you again that the depiction of the symbol on the website is limited by technology, but looking closely at it I really think it is showing light and sound at the same time....even though we don't hear it when viewing the website. I think that might be a clue in and of itself. We hear and see the etching of the symbol, only Harry and Luna heard the voices behind the Veil...would we?
I think I took a crazy shot in my coffee this morning, I have a weird perspective on things.
Hmmm.
thecortni
May 1 2007, 04:35 PM
Very intriguing... I have been looking at this symbol for ages now... Now, having seen the depiction of it on the Bloomsbury site, I realized that the symbol was carved into the stone and not out of the stone (raised). It's inset. Now, I'm not exactly sure what that has to do with anything, but I feel confident it will have come into play some how.
Also regarding what else in the school was white marble... I could be very wrong, but I seem to remember in HBP, at the part about Dumbledore's funeral there was something about Hagrid laying him on the white stone table. Perhaps that could be it? Like I said, I could very wrong. I've posted about it already, earlier on.
thatsProfessortoyou
May 1 2007, 04:39 PM
And, didn't the white stone table turn into a stone sarcophagus? I am thinking that this is where the symbol is carved. Or at least one of the places.
Harry didn't go to the place at the end of the book right?
Oh, could it be on his parents graves? He has never been there either. It could be a clue.
Cris
thecortni
May 1 2007, 04:52 PM
He did attend the funeral, but he sat far in the back and left early. I agree that the symbol could very well be placed on his parents' graves/sarcophagi. I wonder though, were they buried in Godric's Hollow where they resided or were they buried elsewhere?
Also, about that orb with the snake--I am convinced it is only one: Nagini. I don't see a skull, but I think you may be correct in assuming that we are looking at a foretelling of Nagini's demise as a horcrux. I do, however, see on the orb a reflection of a window. Could that be the window that Harry sat by so many times in Professor Trelawney's classroom?
pumpkinjuice
May 1 2007, 05:09 PM
Hmm, bringing up James and Lily's possible tomb makes me wonder if this symbol is related somehow to what they did for a living? Would it have been etched on their tomb as a specific kind of memorial?
However, the active etching of the symbol on Bloomsbury makes me think the symbol will need to be actively etched (perhaps by wand movement, indeed) in the books, and that this etching will activate the movement that Cris called our attention to in the actual image as inscribed (the revolving of the circle in the triangle).
I'm torn between yes and no on the sound idea, Sirren. I too initially thought the circles of different degrees of brightness were a limitation of the medium. But maybe not.....it does seem a bit crude for these days if so....
thecortni
May 1 2007, 05:57 PM
Yes... that seems quite right. I think that the active etching might represent something that the trio might have to do. Perhaps a marking to the entrance of another "horcrux-hiding headquarters" similar to that of whatever magic Dumbledore saw or felt in the cave. Just the way it was being etched seems to suggest that there may be several parts to be drawn... perhaps an incantation? I do agree that it was crudely done. However, we still don't know what it means so we can't determine whether or not there is a right or wrong way to do it.
The more I think about it, the more possibilities I come up with for the location of it. Someone has already mentioned the pensieve, Harry's parents' graves, someplace inside the castle (prefect's bathroom), and I've given it to be Dumbledore's sarcophagus.
I'm not sure if it's been mentioned (probably has), but what if the symbol is a spell or enchantment that needs to be cast in order for the trio to get where they are on the cover. We have all come to the conclusion that they're in some sort of Gringotts vault though it's still speculation at this point. But I think there could be a link between the symbol and what Harry, Ron, and Hermione are doing on the cover.
f.lamanna
May 1 2007, 08:29 PM
Just as a side note, Helga Hufflepuff is JKR's wizard of the month, she is depicted in jewels. Is the UK cover have a relation to finding her cup?
monel_33
May 1 2007, 09:58 PM
My guess is Helga Hufflepuff being Wizard of the Month can mean nothing other than "dudes, here's why there are rubies and goblets on the UKC cover, search no more!".

It's a sort of treat for us. The rubies are fairly obvious, and the gold...
Sirren
May 2 2007, 01:57 PM
I find it interesting that JKR indicates on her Witch of the Month being Helga, that Helga was especially good at Charms. Hmmm....thinking of Ollivander telling Harry that he sold Lily a swishy wand perfect for Charms Work.
She is shown with all those gems, too. And they sparkle and shine in a sequence....coincidence?
Ron's family is poor and the theme of rich vs poor has been through the books seen through the eyes of all the players. Wonder if the great treasure trove they find will be symbolic in some way to sort of allow Harry to give Ron the means to not be poor; something his dear friend has always fought with in life. Somehow find the treasure and allow the money to be used for the betterment of ... something? Just a thought that struck me viewing Helga.
Looking back on the symbol of the Orb, I cannot see the skull either, but I do see the window.
I am also wondering if the blatant showing of Harry's Patronus is an indication there will be a fight with the Dementors? Remember they are breeding, which is creating all that mist.
thatsProfessortoyou
May 2 2007, 04:55 PM
So can we pretty much say that the 'cup' under Harry on the cover is Helga's cup? What about her ring and her cloak pin? Are they important too?
Very interesting. It would be nice if she gave us such a huge clue but we all know how she loves her red harrings.....
If you are reading the sites, I hope you are enjoying our pain!!!
Cris
Kimberly<3
May 3 2007, 10:37 PM
Many people think that the curtains drawn back on the cover symbolizes the veil.
I did too ... until i looked at all the other covers.
My theory is that the curtains represent the ending of Harry Potter. The " curtain closing" kind of thing. I think this because the only other book that has curtains is the first one. The curtain opens in the first and closes in the last.
Also, I think the designs and colors of the curtains also have meaning. In the first book, the curtains look childish, naive and fun. Now the curtains are old looking and torn. The series started off at first light and kid friendly. At the end of the series it has a lot of dark and evil. Also Harry has lost so much during the last 7 years. This could be shown from all the rips and tears in the curtain
To see all the cover..go on this webpage
http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/covers/Thanks and comment back pleaseee<3
thatsProfessortoyou
May 3 2007, 11:12 PM
Thanks for the page!! I have been looking for something like that for a long time!!!!
I think you are right. The curtains on the first book are the opening act. They are new, fresh, like Harry was. The curtains on the final act of the septology (vs trilogy) are torn and ragged. They have bee through a lot. So has Harry.
I have a question on the new curtains though, why two different patters? Stars on one side and swirly things on the other. Color is different too. The patterns are gone and the color has equalized in the last.
Cris
akabraille
May 4 2007, 12:00 AM
Kimberly<3, that's an excellent theory!!

I think u are right. GrandPre would have done something like that. It's a fitting end to all those books. Close it out with the same curtains that started the whole adventure only now the once pretty and festive curtains relfect the chaos that has happened thus far, leaving them torn and off-color.
thecortni
May 4 2007, 03:39 AM
Firstly,
Kimberly<3, you are brilliant! I never would've thought of that. As soon as I read your post I went to check my own books.I have the paperback versions, so I didn't see right away what you were talking about. Then I check the back of Year 1... there it was. A curtain! So then I clicked that link you posted and it showed me! I was estatic... my head is still reeling from this piece of information--this new insight. I definitely agree with you and I think that is brilliant of Mary GrandPre
I also want to draw attention to something else on the cover of Year 1 on that webpage. Did anyone notice what was on top of that structure in between those archways? Triangles!

Each one with something different in it. Now it could be my own scotoma getting the better of me, but focus on the one that is second from the left. Does it seem to resemble anything anyone remembers? Check it out... I could be barking up the completely incorrect tree, but this almost seems to much to be a coincidence.

Cheers~*
Gia Malfoy Black
May 4 2007, 05:18 AM
Kimberly<3 that is one fab theory! I also went to check my collection and yes as you said there are curtains in perfect conditions at the beginning and now we'll get the book with the ragged ones.
pigwidgeon
May 4 2007, 12:29 PM
what locket i dont see any locket!!!. yes i think its prongs on the sleeves but i can't believe i didn't recognise it as a crystal ball, i thought i was a broach of some kind lol. oh when i first saw uk edition i was like omg its terrible starting to like it now, i want to US eddition its 100 pages longer aswell
also it says harry is livving at the burrow.
i was like how on eath do i find out about the sybol on the spine!!.
would someone please explain about the chambers of the hogwarts founders this is the first i i heard about it
thatsProfessortoyou
May 4 2007, 01:54 PM
The locket Harry is wearing is on the USC version. It appears to have an S on it or a snake.
As far as we know concretely there is one chamber and that is Slytherins. There is much speculation that there are other chambers in the castle but it is not confirmed.
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Velvet Posted on: Apr 18 2007, 11:04 AM
Thank you very very much RookWood, not only for the wonderful links (wow, I adore the Ukrainian covers - they are so beautiful, and I love the PS one with DD being encompassed within Hogwarts, very symbolic and such strong imagery), and thank you to TheHarryinMe for the link to the theory (I was sure I saw it on here, I must be going nuts in my advanced years

)I decided to post links to the two book covers, so that it might be easier to spot the aforementioned similarities (hopefully it isn't just me

)http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/covers/art1.htm (PS)http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/covers/art7.htm (DH)and the link to the similarities I suggested:
http://www.veritaserum.com/forums/index.ph...mp;#entry370329 (I far too lazy for my own good

)
I did have another though about the curtains surrounding only the first and final books, perhaps it is like a performance, specifically; the opening and closing of the curtains as seen on stage marking the beginning and endEDIT: sorry I just saw that TheHarryinMe already posted it - sorry I think you all are on the right track about the curtains. It is brilliant of Grand Pre to show that. The symbolism is powerful.
Cris
Sirren
May 4 2007, 03:52 PM
I am having major issues with Flash Player and cannot get the covers on the link to blowup.
What is shown in the triangles over the arches on the cover of Book One?
I both love the idea of the opening curtains and closing curtains pertaining to Books One and Seven, but am saddened by them ... too. I've only been involved with Harry Potter since this last Christmas; I cannot imagine how it must feel to know the series is concluding for those folks that read the first book at the initial release.
Prodfoot
May 4 2007, 06:01 PM
I am rereading PoA, and I was looking at the cover. On the B=back flap of the American edition, we see Prongs/Harry's patronus alone. On one of the flaps for the UKC, Prongs/Harry's patronus is alone. This makes me wonder. Is it a coincidence? Not likely. I think that it is there because Prongs will be important, wether it has to do with James or the Marauders. PoA had a lot do do with the Marauders, and Prongs was on the cover. Prongs is on the cover for DH. This makes me wonder what DH is about even more. July won't come fast enough.
~Prod
TheHarryinMe
May 4 2007, 06:43 PM
QUOTE(Sirren @ May 4 2007, 09:52 AM) [snapback]382179[/snapback]
I am having major issues with Flash Player and cannot get the covers on the link to blowup.
What is shown in the triangles over the arches on the cover of Book One?
I both love the idea of the opening curtains and closing curtains pertaining to Books One and Seven, but am saddened by them ... too. I've only been involved with Harry Potter since this last Christmas; I cannot imagine how it must feel to know the series is concluding for those folks that read the first book at the initial release.

There are four triangles, one at the top of each of the four columns, on the U.S. edition. Two of the triangles are plain with a diamond shape in them, if I remember correctly, but the other two are unique. Both have a circular spiral and a rectangular shape in them, one on top of the other. Over one column the spiral is larger and on the bottom; on the other, the rectangle is larger and on the bottom. I think the resemblence is seen in the first image, as there is a large circle-like image imposed inside the triangle. However, I think that this really doesn't hold any significance to the book. The symbol may have acquired a mean by J. K. Rowling or something, but I think the original picture was mostly a coincidence to the symbol we see on the U.K. Children's edition spine.
Sirren
May 5 2007, 12:58 AM
TheHarryinMe: Thanks!!

I appreciate the overview of the triangles; the picture I see on the link is super small, even though I can see them, I cannot see anything in them.
Darn Flash Player anyway. Darn Microsoft for making me have a conflict I've not yet worked out@!!
I have to admit both the US and UK covers have grown on me. I really like them the more I look at them. I don't have a favorite...though.
I still have it stuck in my head from the Bloomsbury site that the triangle "thing" is emitting both light and sound, just can't shake that notion.
SlytherinHeadGirl05
May 5 2007, 01:28 AM
I have to say that curtain theory is really really good! I didn't even think about that but now that I read the theory it just makes me think, JK is a complete genius!!! lol. I looked closer at the pictures and I have to point out something, I think i read it on the earlier pages, but Harry does have his scar. On the US edition, harry's scar is always visible, well it is again. It's in the folds of his hair, it's not pinkish/red and stands out, it's like a real scar, it's faded and is more like the color of ur skin (i know this cuz i have one down my chest though not lightning bolt shaped lol) or it's a bit darker than ur skin tone, i think that's why you can't really see harry's scar he's gotten used to it, it's no longer "fresh" kind of like the curtain theory. on the UK covers though, i don't know if his scar was shown all the time, but yeah on the UK cover of DH it's not there anymore.
The archway kind of makes me think of the Chamber of Secrets or the portal to Platform 9 and three-quarters, just the arch itself. The notion about them finding riches in one of the tombs kind of makes you think. If Slytherin had a chamber why couldn't the other founders have "private chambers too"? Just a thought...but how else would JK have Hogwarts in the book besides Harry coming back to talk to DD's portrait? Info on the fouders, what better place to find info on the Founders than to search the castle that they, themselves built? C'mon you don't think Godric or Helga left little emblems or insignias on a piece of wall or stone just like Slytherin did on the faucet in the GIRLS bathroom?
Someone also said that Harry's injured on the cover of the UK edition -.- that's not blood..it's rubies flying everywhere lol. Prongs being on the cover makes me very excited too. JK said you'll find something very important about Lily in the 3rd book and then you'll find something out about her in the 5th book, something crucial i think. lol I think i already know those two things. Anyways, what I'm trying to point out at is...Harry has to find out stuff about his parents too. Godric's Hallow...I think when he visits their graves...or along the way he's going to find out more about his parents you know? About his family...
And i thank whoever pointed this out. O.O i did NOT see Kreacher there on Harry's back! But it makes you think....if they go traveling..why is Kreacher with them? We all know the suspicions that Kreacher might know where the lockey horcux is...well that would kind of help the theory right? okay enough babbling for me i'm just repeating what everyone else has said.
thecortni
May 5 2007, 06:45 AM
SlytherinHeadGirl05, I think you may have overlooked a few things. On the UK cover of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Harry's scar is quite visible and it's bright red. Also, those red spots on Harry are consistent with any injuries he may have incurred. They are present on Ron and Hermione as well. Also, the tearing in his robes suggest the same. I just thought I'd point that out.
Kimberly<3
May 5 2007, 04:05 PM
Thank you all for commenting on my curtain theory
thatsProfessortoyou ,
I also was wondering why she chose different kinds of curtains with different designs for the first book. Jk could of choice this to show the book to be festive and fun. There is also the possibility that it has more of a meaning
If everyone else has a different view on this, pleasseee comment
THAnks<3
To add to my previous posts here on the two links to the covers. This might help people who were having problem viewing the page
First book
http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/covers/art1.htm7th book
http://www.scholastic.com/harrypotter/books/covers/art7.htmIf everyone has a different view on this pleassseee comment
THANks<3
umbridge_must_die
May 5 2007, 04:13 PM
I've just been staring at the UKC cover again.
Three things i notice - i'm pretty sure the sword that the house-elf is holding is Godric Gryffindor's, and also, below harry's outstretched hand are two shiny objects, one in the slytherin colours and one in the ravenclaw colours. It looks like he is either trying to grab them or he is trying to get them back after dropping them on his way through the arch. I can't help but think this has some significance, even if they aren't necessarily horcruxes.
And the armour in the pile of gold - the helmet is inset with red rubies. This might just be coincedence, or it could have belonged to Gryffindor, especially since the helmet has a dragon on the top, and scales on the breastplate. How many times have dragons been discussed in the books? loads. Norbert, the dragons in GOF, hagrid's obsession, the list goes on. Harry does seem to have some special connection with Godric Gryffindor. Is it not possible that Godric fought a dragon as well? surely every sword comes with armour anyway.
Opinions?
thecortni
May 5 2007, 04:27 PM
Hmm... I still have become quite sure of whether or not the place the trio is in on the UKC is Gringotts. I have a strong feeling that it is. However, after reading your thoughts, umbrige_must_die, I find that there might be a place somewhere in Hogwarts Castle. I wonder if Harry ever thought to check the Marauder's Map to see if the Chamber of Secrets still existed. I also wonder if he ever found any other passageways or secret places in the castle outside of what's on the map and what Fred and George have told him. Your thoughts have definitely opened up a whole new thinking process.
umbridge_must_die
May 5 2007, 05:52 PM
Thanks for your thoughts thecortni. I never thought of it being gringotts! also, i'm still wondering what the shiny things are under harry's hand. They look like they're made of glass and filled with something, the green one has a light coming from the middle and the purple one has a handle thing with dots on it. My initial reaction was that these had prophecies in them, from/made about the founders, but i'm not so sure now.
If you look at the back flap of the UKC version, there's hogwarts, doors open with light coming through them. For me, this confirms three things, the front cover picture is indeed set in Hogwarts, it will reopen and Harry will have to return there on his quest, Yay!
LittleRed7771
May 5 2007, 06:47 PM
I hope that I don't repeat things someone has already said. I've read as many posts as I could but there are just sooo many. So, anyways, here are my thoughts and theories on the cover. Sorry if I stray a little off topic, but I want to give my theories to explain why I think the way I do about the cover so please bear with me.
I do believe that the cover is at Gringotts Bank. More specifically, I believe that it is LV's vault that they are in. I think that they got into the vault and upon touching something or whatever, they triggered the intruder security measures on the vault. I think that is the reason that they have the look of being "sucked" back out of the vault. It looks like Harry is trying to grab a Horocrux before being sucked out.
I think it is Kreacher holding the sword behind Harry. JKR did say that Kreacher was going to play an important role in book 7. Although it does appear small, it may be GG's sword Kreacher is holding.
As for the castle, we all know that white symbolizes pure and good. I think that is why it has a white glow about it. Also notice that the sky above the castle is clear while the area next to it is fogging, dark, and evil looking. Here is my theory for the reason for this picture. I think DD knew he was going to die. He is also the only headmaster ever to be buried at Hogwarts. I think before he died, he envoked some magic the insure that even in the event of his death, as long as his body remained at Hogwarts and people remained loyal to him, he would be able to protect Hogwarts through his body and magic. Remember he was buried in a white tomb. So I think the picture shows DD protecting Hogwarts from the grave and that's why it has a white glow and the sky is clear. His magic is fighting off the "evil".
Anyways, that's just my ideas for the cover.