Does anyone else here aside from me miss the first two movies when the charecters stuck to robes and not muggle clothes? like, if im the only one, then im being picky, but it just doesnt seem the same as it used to be with harry ron and hermionie all wearing hoodies jeans and what not. i might be splitting hairs, but it just doesnt seem right, not when they stress so severely how wizards cant dress themselves in muggles clothing to save their lives.

No, you're not the only one, I agree with you!!
I loved the first two films, but in POA they changed everything. No robes, no classes(except for DADA) and the beautiful castle was changed. It was terrible! They never wear their robes in the films anymore and I don't see why they don't because in the books they do!! It ruined it, I think.

Yeah that's a good point I've never really thought of it to be honest lol.

Remember that Wizarding Familes are the one's that find it hard to fit into Muggle settings and wear Muggle clothes sometimes, but those from Muggle familes are kinda different.

Hermione's parents are both Muggles, so when she was wearing a pair of jeans and a sweater in the later movies, it's not as 'strange' (for the lack of a better word) as seeing Ron, a Pure-Blood, in Muggle attire.

Harry is a half-blood, so he goes both ways lol.

At least that in the Dumbledore's Army promotional photo, they are all wearing their school attire (I think) lol.

I think it is strange that they wear muggle clothes and they should wear their robes, that would do the movies more real because they don't wear muggle clothes in the books they use their robes very occasionaly and i think they should wear them all the time like the first two films, it would be much better.

I think that they should start wearing robes more again. . .besides, in the books, it is always talking about how wizards walk in the streets wearing robes and that they have no clue how to dress like a muggle. . .well, in the movies. . .it looks like they are experts like dressing as muggles. I find it sad, because they always wear robes in the books. . .i think that the costume department needs to have another wardrobe to choose from.

I'm with you, mate. It struck me the other day too, and I was rather ticked off. I mean, this is about wizards and witches, after all. The eccentricity of the world is half of the fun! And I know it says in the books that the children 'donned Muggle clothing' during holidays, but during the school year, Harry's forever wearing his robes.

Ah, I don't know, it just does a lot to destroy the magical feeling of the series.

Well, I'm not a big fan of the movies anymore anyway, not since PoA, so I guess I'm biased, but this is one of the things that bugs me too.

I liked the robes. I know the kids are growing up and the world is getting darker (so dark, that by the time HPDH comes out, we'll be hard pushed to see anything on screen ) and the need for more "maturity" is stronger, but in trying to make the films more "adulty" they're losing a lot of the magic that made them special. I'm not sure that I would have been prompted into reading the rest of the books if my first foray into HP had been PoA or GoF rather than the CoS movie. The lack of robes makes things a bit more realistic I guess (though they are very strict about that sort of thing in private schools over here - uniforms have to be worn and that's that) but does destroy a lot of the magic that removes Hogwarts from the more mundane world.

And it's a pity...but I don't think that's likely to be changed now. Just gives me more to complain about on forums!!

Yes you're right, private schools make you wear uniform and you have to stick to it *sob*, lots of experience there...
And Hogwarts is a British school, all schools here force you to wear uniform, even the stae ones. So surely Hogwarts would enforce the same rules.
I don't mind Hermy or Harry wearing muggle clothes, but Ron just wouldn't wear them!
I wouldn't mind it they had muggle clothes with robes over the top, but the robes have just completly vanished and it doesn't seem right. Hmph.
have you ever wondered what wizards wear ubnderneath their robes? if they don't wear muggle clothes ( ie. tops, skirts, trousers etc. ) so what do they wear... ?! - obviously in Hogwarts they'd ahd a school uniform on underneath, but normal wizards ?!

Not sure whether this applies universally, but in Order of the Phoenix when James hoists Snape upside down (possibly using Levicorpus), it was revealed that Snape was wearing some very ugly underpants, so that would mean that generally witches and wizards just don their robes over their undergarments, or some like the old coot Archie in Goblet of fire, may dispense with undergarments totally since they "like to have breeze around my privates".

From the pictures that i have seen from OOTP they are all wearing muggl clothing when they go to the MOM. I think that this is just wrong because it is not correct, in the book they go straight after the History of Magic exam and so at least Harry, Hermione, Ron and Neville should be in their uniforms.

Ugghh I miss those robes terribly. Now all the actors look freakishly American! It's sooo weird. I wish the directors would read HP and if they already do they should read it more thoroughly.

yeah i wish they would have stuck with the robes but i guess that's what you get when you switch directors maybe since they are switching directors (yet again) they will go back to wearing their robes again

Yea i hope they use the robes more now, they seem to forever be running around in muggle clothing. The cloaks and robes makes it feel more magical (apart from of course they are all carrying wands and performing spells!) but for me when i think of a witch or wizard i always think of a cloak and stuff.

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Yes you're right, private schools make you wear uniform and you have to stick to it *sob*, lots of experience there...

And yes amortentia_lover i feel your pain there -.-

D.A

I totally agree with you and have been thinking this for ages. I was so disappointed when PoA came out and I saw what they were wearing. But it was so they would feel more comfy apparantly.
I also wish they would get the castle back to the way it used to be. These must be the only things I hate about the last two films but they do my head in!

i tottaly agree, because in the books they are always complaining about how wierd muggle clothes are, i think they should really stick to the robes. next thing u know, harry will be wearing holister and abercrombie.

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i tottaly agree, because in the books they are always complaining about how wierd muggle clothes are, i think they should really stick to the robes. next thing u know, harry will be wearing holister and abercrombie.

HAHA
Thats made me laugh icesk8erqueen8!!
Now i can picture harry walking round hogwarts in an Abercrombie t-shirt and surfer shorts!!
Was it in PoA where they wore muggle clothes the whole movie?? But i definately think they could wear their robes, if not all the time then at least a bit more than they do now!!

D.A

I really miss the days of robes and school ties. I know that most kids don't wear uniform out of school hours, but still, I'd like to see the robes worn out of school. I don't remember JKR saying once that Harry put on his Parka/Hoodie and walked over to Hagrids. The only time Harry's 'civvies' are spoken of is when he is still at the Dursleys and references are made to the fact that they are too big because they are Dudley's cast offs.

If all these events take place during the school terms, surely they should be wearing uniform/robes?

It is a trend that began with Alfonso Cuaron. He was the one who wanted the kids in muggle clothing when they weren't in class. And now, that's about all we see. Even when they're in school uniform, they only seem to wear their robes to class. The jumpers, ties...all of that is worn and the robes themselves are treated like something to cast aside at every opportunity. It's unfortunate, because these films will be classics, and now they will also be dated very quickly. Robes would still be robes to new audiences 10 years from now, but all kids will do now is laugh at the outdated muggle clothes.

And you're right, Elaine...putting Harry in muggle clothes that fit is a film phenomenon. In the books he still wears whatever Dudley has discarded. Weird.

One interesting side note, though--Draco is almost always seen in school robes. Are the Slytherins more formal?

Cuaron is also the one who wanted Dumbledore's robes changed from the rich, luxurious ones worn by Richard Harris in the first two films, into the flimsy, casual robes Michael Gambon wears in the following films. The costume designer said Cuaron wanted DD to look like "an old hippie."

I suppose we should feel grateful he let him continue wearing robes at all.

One thing that's sort of odd to me from the books, though...why, if wizards and witches wear robes almost exclusively, is Molly always knitting sweaters for everyone? That makes no sense.

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Cuaron is also the one who wanted Dumbledore's robes changed from the rich, luxurious ones worn by Richard Harris in the first two films, into the flimsy, casual robes Michael Gambon wears in the following films. The costume designer said Cuaron wanted DD to look like "an old hippie."

Really wow i didnt know that!!
I started a thread on DD's robes in PoA and wondered why the lucious robes were changed...i hate it!

They should so wear robes more often it just gives more of a feel of a school and a wizard community!


D.A

D.A., I thought you might enjoy reading the artcile I got that information from, so I went and had a look-see at google for it. Here is the article.

Here is the papragrah about DD's robes:



Here's a bit about the wardrobe for the kids:



So I guess it's all in a director's vision, but I have to say that most hard-core HP fans did not like these changes! His assumption is that witch and wizard kids would care about muggle fashions, which, judging by the book Harry, is just not true. He could care less about muggle fashion--he likes his robes! It appears Warner Brothers did like the changes, however, since they get more and more casual with each film that's come after PoA.

Thankyou very much for posting the article

It really annoyed me though
First of all why change DD robes...for me they made him so majestic and i dont know easy to approach...if you can get that from robes!! (well i can)
But seriously an old hippie?? what was he on!!!

And this is the wizarding world not normal everyday teenagers...i mean didnt most of them think that muggle clothing was wierd???

Rawr it annoys me


D.A

Absolutely, I mean if you look at the characters backgrounds in relations to their clothing, it seems rather an obtuse assumption to make. Harry having never had his own clothes to wear would relish the fact that he could wear a uniform that didn't make him 'different' from the crowd. Hermione would love to wear it because being muggleborn, she would have never seen it before and let's face it she was the first of the three to don her robes on the Hogwarts Express in PS/SS. Ron, would be so fed up of Molly Weasley Jumpers and his brothers hand me downs that to be dressed the same as his new friend Harry Potter would seem like a novelty.So for Cauron to assume that of all witch/wizard kids is, well a poor assumption. I can see that for other witches and wizards this could be so, but not for the three main characters.

I didn't know that about the design of DD's robes for Gambon. I much preferred the luxurious appearance of Harris's robes but think that maybe a compromise between the two would have been better.

How does them dressing that way make them look freakishly American. I mean people in other countries dress that way. But your not saying they look freakishly... Canadian! Nothing against you I'm just wondering what's with the generalization of Americans!

Although I agree they should wear their robes more often. I mean sure I can see them in muggle attire at certain parts but for the most part they shouldn't dress that way.

I know everyone's saying that they miss the robes ad everything and i do to but i was watching GoF last night and was thinking about this thread, and i realised that they do actually wear their robes quite alot in GoF. At the beginning at the start of term feast, in their DADA class, when they announce the champions, etc....... It is only when there is a task that they don't wear their robes.

They don't wear their robes in PoA though. That is my least favourite movie and i think it's because it is so much different to the others like the robes and the castle and all of that. But it is one of my favourite books. Weird.

miss_r_weasley xxx

Yeah you're right actually, they do wear quite a lot of robes in GoF ujst PoA that's letting us down reallly!

Good old Archie *throws up* Lol. robes are kinda like dresses in a way ( but for boys and girls ) in winter they'd need something underneath, in summer they wouldn't. ( but they should always keep the underwear on! )
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Hogwarts students only wear their robes during the school hours so it makes sense to have the characters wear their casual clothing when thy're not doing classes. When you grow up in school, especially high school, you begin to be more comfirtable with how you dress during school and so really as you as you hit the end of year 8 (second year of high school) you start to experitment withthe ways you wear your shool uniform: like for instance, not tucking in your shirt, or only wearing your jumper - without your robe - at times, or even not bothering to do up your robes at the front with your buttons. This goes the same for high school nowadays: you dont do up your blazer, you where your shirt tucked out (and even sometimes without a jumper or a blazer - in the hot summer), if you wear ties you might losen them a bit, some may be seen wearing their jumper and not their blazer, and in my school people carry their blazers with them although most of the time they get told off for doing so.
...This is all to do with kids growing up and learning to adapt to their surroundings, even in school. With the Harry Potter books especiallly JK Rowling epects harry and all his classmates to grow up and sometimes even where their clothing alittle differently to one another as they go through the years. The films have definitely portrayed that behaviour in kids and i feel that Alfonso Quron mastered that completely in the third film. JK Rowling even states that Alfonso seems to know teenage boys and girls inside out and the change in school wear was probably a example of that particular knowledge of understanding in Quron especially. He and other diectors obviously understand that as soon as you hit your teens (from thirteen onwards) you begin to dress and behave differently both outside and inside school.

Also...because in the plot the activities during school hours begin to decrease in number because the stories begin to focus more on what is happening to harry and his friends outside of Hogwarts instead of inside only. This answers the question as to why we see them wearing more casual, muggle clothing in the films than we do wearing school uniform. If we look at Goblet of Fire, the kids don't need to wear their school uniform because the Triwizard tornament takes place out of school ours so they are at full liberty to wear their clothes. Also, have you not noticed that even in Philosopher's stone and Chamber of Secrets they were wearing muggle clothes at times; it all depends on the circumstances in the plot and where the characters are, and what they're doing at the time. I'm sure that in Order of the Phoenix we will see more of them in school uniform than in normal clothing because most of the plot takes place during school hours, apart from the forest scenes and the Department of Mysteries fight because they would have been out of school hours when those sequences took place. I also think we will see more of them in robes than in casual clothing in the sixth movie because the plot is vastly about snape taking defense of the dark arts and the half blood prince's book which harry finds in Slughorn's lessons. Although, in a way i think there will be a balance in this film because their is also the lessons with Dumbledore and the christmas with the Weasleys as well as the last two sequences with Dumbledore in the cave and the fight with Draco and the Death eaters; they will most definitely be in muggle clothing.

And...the whole reason why wyoung wizards where muggle clothing more often anyway is because children hardly ever wear sofisticated clothing so they are more comfortable with the muggle wear.

I am also really bothered by the lack of robes in the films when depicting the school, especially. JK makes such a funny point in the books whenever wizards/witches try to dress like muggles, how crazy they look. At the same time, though, I wonder - Mrs. Weasley does knit her sons and Harry sweaters every year. So they must wear some kind of muggle clothes.

My friend read an article that said that the director of the 3rd movie wanted the actors to be more comfortable, so more of the film has them in "muggle" clothes. However, this bothers me. Aren't they being paid to play a role? And doesn't that role require them to inhabit a different world? A world where you don't wear jeans and a sweatshirt? Or pants and a sweater to class?

It just doesn't make sense to have wizards and witches seem so oblivious to muggle clothing, or to have grown witches and wizards wearing robes as their every day attire, and then have the kids wear jeans and t-shirts. It seems sloppy and inconsistent to me.

They wear robes in classes and they wear civilian in their spare time. You'll probably wonder why they always wear the latter in the film. It's because some of the juicy stuff happens in the weekends or in between classes, times in which students wear anything they like.

its pretty much rediculous. wizards are suppose to be really bad a dressing like muggles, like hte guy at the world cup in hte book he was in a ladys gown. but in hte movies they not only dont dress in robes but they dress not bad in muggle clothes.

Look who she is married to. If the Weaselys, with Arthur, can't figure out what muggles look like, then they are hopeless. Most of the wizards who have no clue grew up in all magic households. I am not surprised that Harry occassionally dons muggle atire, but there is far too much of it. You never see them wearing their robes unless they are in class. Even then the costume designers have made the robes look more 'normal.'

I must say, I really do not like it. I expect to see some of it. After all, how many people wear their school uniforms all day after they get out of class? But is has gotten to the point where you never see the robes on anyone but Dumbledore, Snape and the teachers.

i think what I was geteting at when I started this topic was that when we first read the books, they seemed magical with all of the details that stick to your mind "his cloak fluttered in the wind" and all of those, but in the movies, they took the childlike charm out of them. in the GOF, during the yule ball, when they were slow dancing to the opening number, it didnt turn into a dirty ol mosh pit like it did in the movie. i think the main point of this topic is just how they took something we all loved to read and changed it into something different. now im not saying that its all bad, but instead that they should probably stick to the book when it comes to things that they stress in the novels, wizards and muggle clothing dont mix, the yule ball was a chance to let their hair down, not crowd surf the orchestra guy. all of that stuff. i dunno, i miss the old days i spose, or im just being really narrow minded. meh, if it happens itll happen

I *think* I know what you mean, Infamous_Hat. There's too much MTV in there. They're supposed to be at least 30 years behind Muggles as far as the ... er, distribution of pop culture goes. (With Mrs. Weasley's wireless being the most advanced equivalent to muggle technology in the series). Harry barely knows the Weird Sisters, and it doesn't seem as though Ron and Hermione care much for them either. It's almost like wizards are a little more naive than muggles. The trio definitely are NOT streetwise. I think Bill is, for example, but in a wizard-ey, old fashioned way. He's not a brand-named brat in Levis and sunglasses, he's a cross between a hippy and a cowboy. Dragon leather is about as bling as wizards get, along with the kind of magical jewellery the Malfoys would wear. I bet the Weird Sisters have 80's hairstyles. Stubby Boardman sure sounds like someone with a mullet to me.

I just don't like the fact that Harry looks like he could have been any random kid pulled off a street in Britain somewhere. Wizards should give the air of dottiness off without trying, not look like they buy all their clothes at M&S. I think Harry's world is more gothic than that, somehow, but that's really just my own picture.

I liked Cuaron's way of getting that about the world across (the grimy, medieval feeling), but the kids in their boring clothes didn't really fit in with it.

I agree with you Capricorn. Ron and the Weasleys would be behind in the fashion trends of the muggle world, however, i think that Harry and Hermione would be more up-to-date due to the fact that they come from a muggle background. Hermione would be especially 'normal' as she is the first witch in her family but Harry would not be noticed in a crowd but would nt be the most fashionable because he grew up with the Dursleys who didn't like him much. Therefore, on the scale of who would look most 'muggle' i think it would go:

1. Hermione
2. Harry
3. Ron and Weasleys

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I just don't like the fact that Harry looks like he could have been any random kid pulled off a street in Britain somewhere. Wizards should give the air of dottiness off without trying, not look like they buy all their clothes at M&S. I think Harry's world is more gothic than that, somehow, but that's really just my own picture.

Haha Capricorn your post made me laugh...*keeps picturing the students at hogwarts turning up with their books in M&S bags!!*

...Anyway...

I can sort of understand why harry and hermione and other students who have grown up in a muggle environment may wear more muggle-ish clothes but i really think that the others shouldnt be wearing muggle clothes owing to the fact that most of them would find muggle clothing weird..so why would they wear it??!!


D.A

I do. They're not supposed to be in Muggles clothes. It doesn't stay true to the book. Hermione wants to wear the robes even before they arrive at HOgwarts. It doesn't seem right that some movies make it look like Muggles clothes are their ordinary everyday clothing.

It's just not right.

Personally, I kind of miss the school robes. As some people have already stated, they were always talking about getting new robes, wizards dressing in robes, etc. If I remember correctly, they didn't even have robes on Snape in the last movie.

In my opinion, that's going way too far.

Now that you mention it yes, I miss it. There are so many little details that could make the movies a little more similar than the books - even if they change the plot - but if a few things like the clothes they're wearing were respected, the movies would look a bit better.

It is funny that many of the teachers still wear robes. They are much smaller than they used to be...even Snape does not billow the way he should. I am tired of seeing jeans and a t-shirt every ten seconds. I most definitely miss the days of robes.

Yes, they should definetely have kept the robes. After all, that was one of the distinguishing things about wizards, JK made a point of how they tend to fail miserably when they try to dress like muggles. I'm not majorly bothered about it really, but it is one of the things that does pop into my head as I watch the films - "You'd never know they were different if you just looked at them."

Yup, I cant stand the new directors. Bring back Chris Columbus and his brilliance. I hate how they always wear muggle clothing. Or they look like Vampires!

I miss the robes a lot. They look so much like muggles. the robes made it loook a lot more as if the were at hogwarts. i think they should where they're robes when they are around the castle. the robes add the the magic.

I miss the robes. Robes are like the symbol of a wizard, when you picture wizards and witches you picture them in robes. They definately should wear them more. But I agree with Cuaron saying how different people wear their uniform differently and so he allowed them to wear them how they would want. That is okay, it shows individuality and it depicts real school life, because it's true different people wear their uniform differently.

However, like it was mentioned earlier in this thread, the private schools in Britain are usually strict about uniform. It's like blazers at my school, nobody wants to wear them, but the teachers make us.

I hate how they are trying to make them more 'streetwise' and like average British teenagers. The point is that they're not average British teenagers, they're witches and wizards, so stop trying to make them be average teenagers! They would have their own fashions - since when would wizards be interested in the fashions of muggles?

As for making Dumbledore look more like an 'aging hippy'? Why would you do that? Harris' robes were much more elegant and more 'wizard-like'. I hate the robes that Gambon wears now. They should go back to the old robe s. Dumbledore most certainly is not a hippy.

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Yup, I cant stand the new directors. Bring back Chris Columbus and his brilliance.

I agree! He was the best director I think. He was so true to the books, it was great. Not that I don't think that Yates did a good job in OotP, but Chris Columbus just did such a fantastic job with the first two films.

On a different note, has anybody noticed that no one wears the hats anymore at all??

I miss the style of the first two movies. I agree, i'm getting tired of seeing jeans and shirts. This is a film about magic not muggles. I wish they have more robes and stuff.

Well I think I liked the old days (few years back) because i knew there where many more books and movies of harry Potter to come!

I totally agree with everyone. It seemed like they were wearing pretty stylish muggle clothes throughout most of the past 3 recent films. I liked the first two films clothes with the grey uniforms, sweaters and ties. They just seemed more presentable, whereas now they look like they've just stumbled off the street. Anyway, what's with the Converse shoes, they're not supposed to be advertising. Another thing, why doesn't there seem to be an array of diifferent ages of all the students at Hogwarts. The students are all supposed to look like they're aged between 11 - 17, but now it looks like most of them are over 15 or something.

Oh man do I ever miss the old days! I just loved the look and feel of the first two movies, they really seemed guenine to the book. I felt like everything in it was so...I don't have a word, I suppose "true Harry Potter." In POA, the whole look and feel changed amoung that being their robes. I couldn't stand the Muggle clothing, it was driving me insane. In GOF, that was okay, they at least wore their robes 90% of the time. Then in the fifth one...I won't even go there.

I agree with the posts above me, how would Ron even know how to dress like a Muggle when his parents are so dreadful at it? I can see Hermione wearing Muggle clothing but why would she want to when she has this whole new world of Wizard's clothing to engross herself in? As for Harry, he doesn't even own decent Muggle clothing so I don't think he would want to wear it especially since it would be such a terrible reminder of his Muggle home.

I'm really annoyed about the whole steady decrease in robe wearing as the movies go on! they wear robes less and less as the movies go on and im sitting there going um okay where are the robes that they are supposed to be wearing as part of their school unifrom? Its ridiculous

ya...I feel the same way...but i did see videos about the making of quidditch robes..its cool but still there are some muggleeffects on that too....

Its not the same, is it? The pics. that I saw from HBP are also with muggle clothes....anyways, the movies these days arent excatly like the books....so I dont really expect the movies to follow each and every part...so, well just have to expect this too.

I wish they would stick to robes. That's part of the amazing and cool difference from the muggle world and the wizarding world in the books. Muggles think wizards among them are strange because they wear robes. And I've seen pics of HBP too. A lot of the scenes they're in muggle clothing. They've kept Dumbeldore okay and most of the teachers. But then I looked at pics from one of the scenes in DH, and they've put Harry in total muggle clothing when I don't think he's supposed to be. I wish they would keep to the books on some of the smaller aspects if they're going to take a bunch of stuff out.

Kiersten I have to agree there. When they where muggle clothes it takes away from the magic of the stories. When I read those scenes in the books I imagine them wearing robes. Always robes unless otherwise stated by Jo.