i couldnt find a topic about this anywhere so i thought id start one

the locked door in the DoM in OotP,ive been racking my brains to try and find some clue to whats inside it,but just like the veil it wasnt mentioned in HBP,harry tried to open it with sirius' knife but that didnt work and ahlohamora didnt work either so there must be a really powerful ancient charm on the door,dumbledore says it is always kept locked so has anyone actually been in there,dumbledore said its more wonderful and more terrible than death,than human intellegence,the forces of nature and perhaps,the most mystirious magic subject that is studied there(OotP chapter37 the lost prophecy page743 english adult edition)and he also says harry has amazing quantities of it and voldy has none of it so is the room full of love?

now the reason i think dd and lily were unspeakables...

1.lily set the love protection on harry she new all about it because she worked as an unspeakable in that room

2.dd told harry all about it so harry could guess what was in there but never said what was actually in there,and it proves why dd holds love as the most powerful magic because he was an unspeakable connected to that room

anyone who has any ideas to back up or go against my theory fire away

josh

Well, i want to point out that JKR said that Lily did not know of the magic she would be putting on Harry. JKR said that no one had ever done it before and nothing had ever stopped Avada Kedavra before, and Lily didn't know what she was doing when she protected Harry like she did.

I don't know if Dumbledore was an unspeakable in that room. We don't know much about his life or anything, just that he became headmaster of Hogwarts sometime after Tom Riddle left and shortly before Lupin arrived there. So, i can't really say he was never an unspeakable there, because he could have but i am not sure. Its possible though, and we will be finding more out about Dumbledores life in the final book.

I think that your theory is valid, dubbledore, because we know that Lily was an unspeakable, and there have been so many references to her being a kind and loving person, that it is very likely that she worked in that department. There is a reason that JKR would not give us exactly what was in there, and I think that Lily is the reason. She didn't want to give away too much too early.

I also think that you are correct about it being the study of the powers of love. How many times has DD told Harry that his greatest asset is his ability to love after all that he has been through. It is obvious that LV has no ability to love in any capacity. He killed all of his family,has no real friends and trusts no one completely. He knows of love, but does not have the ability to feel it. Harry, on the other hand, has had so much horror, death and loss in his life that he should be drained of all feelings, and yet he goes on because of the love for the people that he has lost, and those that he loves who are still around (Hagrid, Ron, Hermione, the Weasleys, and even Neville and Luna.)

As for DD being an unspeakable... it is very possible, he was amazingly intelligent and powerful even as a student at Hogwarts, and although we know that he was a teacher when Tom Riddle was there, he was probably not allowed to be a teacher straight out of school himself (The Headmaster before him said that Tom was too young to teach, and I'm assuming that it must have been a rule that you needed live experience and age before you could teach there.) That leaves a few years for DD to do something else. Being the powerful and curious type that he is, an unspeakable would probably appeal to him. That along with the fact that he knows so much about the things going on behind the locked door makes it likely that he was an unspeakable for a short time. He probably then wanted to pass on his knowledge to kids and become a teacher, and moved on to Hogwarts when he was old enough.

Krissy15, I don't think that JKR meant that Lily didn't know what she was doing, just that she didn't know if it would work, since it had never been done before. She may have had an idea that it would work, and been willing to give her life to try to evoke the ancient magic to protect Harry.

I dont think that lily or dumbledore were unspeakables.Dumbledore has worked at hogwarts all of his life except for a few years so he couldnt have and he said he didnt want anything to do with the ministry. But thats just my opinion and you can throw it out the window if you wanna.

samsmom, how do we know lily was an unspeakable, i havent heard anything about it so culd u point that out,thanks


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I have always believed Lily to be an unspeakable. DD I have never really thought about his life before Hogwarts. Hmmm...(thinking very hard, brain about to explode) OK DD is rather old I believe around 150 or something like that. He taught Riddle 50 something years before Harry that still leaves about 83 years prior to teaching Riddle (I have taken into account his time as a student at Hogwarts) So I think DD certainly had a job before teaching at Hogwarts, an unspeakable makes so much sense. He knows so much about what is in the Dept. of Mysteries.

The Love Room, love love love. Could that be all to that room or is there something more? I had a theory posted on another thread about Lily's eyes that could explain her working in the Love Room, but I feel that there has to be more to tht room than love, any theories? Then I might feel better about posting my theory here.

i think lilys and harrys eye conection has something to do with the love room as you call it looney lovegoddess,good name,it definitely has something to do with the plot of DH maybe the final downfall of voldy?

as for other things than love going on in the room it might be possible,if it was just love then why is it so protected love is good,maybe it investigates all human feelings not just love?

josh

I respect this theory in some ways:

1. Lily loved Harry and died for him which makes Harry have love, the most powerful form of magic.
2. Harry is rich, maybe being an unspeakable made you rich
3. Dumbledore talks to Harry a lot about love.

I think it's probable

I dont remember anything about unspeakables from the books, what are they??

unspeakables are connected to the department of mystyries,more than other people,if you are an unspeakable you can not share what you do excatly but you can leave clues for people,as DD did in book five for harry

now that thats cleared up,lets determine whats in the room?any theories?

josh

I do not think that dumbledore and lily are unspeakables, they simply appear to be warm, loving people. Dumbledore was (at first) very close to the minister, and therefore he could have received his information about the locked room then.

I also believe that Lily was an Unspeakable in the DoM. More importantly, she worked in the Locked Room. However, I just don't think DD ever was, but you never know. I also think the Locked Room contains love. My belief is that the Locked Room is the key to defeating LV. Harry is going to go into the room and be able to harness the power inside and use it to destroy LV or at least get LV to enter the room and let the room itself destroy him. I have also wondered if Harry's eyes (because he has his mother's eyes) are the keys to being able to use the Locked Room.

hiya great theory!! it's definitaley possible,lily and james left harry so much gold, they must have had pretty good jobs! im actually surprised harry has never asked what his parents jobs were . i agree that lily probabley had something to do with the locked love room . oh, and loony lovegoddess (sp?) thanks for the little dumbledor time-line!! well, sorry that was'nt too helpfull, oohhh this book is gonna be ssooo good!! back to you guys love sirius

hi ive not been on veritaserum for a long time so im glad some people have posted there ideas

littlered7771: like the idea of harry harnessing the power of that room like obsorbing all the love before going into a duel with lv,so the avada kadarvra bounces of him,another love sheild like the one lily set on harry

siriouslyinlove: i have also found that wierd that harry has never asked what his parents did for a living,you risking your life working in the department of mysteries,so you would get a load of gold

josh

Well, I wouldn't put it exactly like that. JKR had kind of "mentioned" in an interview (at least when directly asked about it) that it might be possible that a wizard will be able to "perform" (or direct) magic with their eyes. So my thought is if Harry is able to harness the power from the Locked Room, he will use it or unleash at LV through his eyes. Sounds kind of strange, I know. If I find that section of interview, I'll add it on later. It might make more sense then.

Edit:
Okay, here it is.

"Now, can I ask you: are there any special wizarding powers in your world that depend on the wizard using their eyes to do something? Bit like..."
"Why do you want to know this?"
"I just vaguely wondered."
"Why?"
"Well because everyone always goes on about how Harry's got Lily Potter's eyes." "Aren't you smart? There is something, maybe, coming about that. I'm going to say no more, very clever."

when you say it like that littlered7771 it sounds a lot better,i put it as harry defending himself with love,but you mean to say harry attacking voldy with love,and i agree it has it all to do with the eyes


so i think its safe to say love is in the locked room, now i pose a nother question to you all

HOW!!! will harry unlock the door???????

josh

You know, I had wondered about that. I was wondering, sticking to the theory that it was Lily's project in that room, if the key to the Potter's vault at Gringotts would also be the key to unlock the "Locked door".

I also wondered if he will stumble across the key while at Godric's Hollow.

Or, if Harry does time travel (which is another theory so I won't go into how it will be possible for his to do so), he will find the answers to the Locked Room (among other things) to know how to unlock the "Locked door". If the room is indeed filled with love, maybe love is the key to unlock it.

you see i was thinking that this is were the connection of the eyes comes in,i think his eyes are the key to the door,

when harry visits his parents graves ,there is a rumour going round that something important is written on lilys grave about her and harrys eye connection,i believe it to be something around the lines of '' the eyes unlock the power of love'' which is a riddle that hermione would surely figure out,like if he looks through the keyhole the door would unlock

he may stumble across a key at godrics hollow but i think that is to boring for jkr to write that,or actualy unlocking the door with love sounds the most reasonable answer

josh

That is something curious about that door. If a key was NOT needed, there would be no keyhole. So, I think Harry will need a key to unlock it. Perhaps ... one needs more than a key to get in. Perhaps the key is only the first restriction to access what is locked in that room. and this is where his eyes have something to do with it?

Such a big mystery...so few clues!

I had thought about the idea of Harry's eyes being the key to opening the door, but I just think that his eyes will come into play once he gains access to the room to harness the power within.

I have to agree with Sirren. If it didn't require a key, why would it have a key hole? But I also like the idea that the key might just be the first barrior to opening the door. That's why I also suggested "love" being a key as well. It may take a combination of 2 or 3 things to unlock it.

i think that locked door definitely leads to a room of love; all the clues point to it. and i remember hearing something about learning more about james and lily's lives after hogwarts in the 7th book. so it's possibly lily WAS an unspeakable. i don't know how harry will unlock the door...i like the idea of the eyes the best, because in almsot every one of the hp books, somebody says, "you look just like your father...except the eyes, you have your mother's eyes." i hope the 7th book makes a final connection to the eyes, and unlocking the door would definitely do that.

It is curious that Dumbledore compared the uniqueness of Harry himself to the power that is in the locked room of the DoM. Curious that Dumbledore tells Harry repeatedly how special he is, how amazed he is that he has someone like this on his hands. That Harry can love despite all that has happened in his life.

It is also curious that Dumbledore tells us the power in the locked room is also more terrible than death. I believe that is what Dumbledore was referring to in the fight with Voldemort in the DoM when he told him there are things worse than death, and that Voldemort's inability to understand this was his greatest weakness.

We also have Slughorn slipping in the snipet about seeing all the life he's seen, never underestimate the power of obsessive love.

Ah HA! It must link together somehow. I doubt my theory on the matter will come to fruition, but I can't wait to read how JKR weaves them into the conclusion.

This may be a little off topic here (sorry if is too off topic!)

It is very interesting to link all of these ideas together. It makes me wonder if Snape was somehow involved with Lily in some way, maybe through the use of a love potion (obsessive love) And with Snape being important to LV he targetted the Potters , as a way to get at Snape, maybe that is why Snape switched allegiance. We know that Snape liked Lily.

Also was it Lily's exposure to a powerful form of love in that room that helped her to protect Harry?

Really thinking out loud. Feel free to disagree!!!

Personally, I don't think so. I believe it was purely the love of a mother for a child that was strong enough to protect Harry. I think Lily was working in the DoM in the Locked Room. She may be part of the reason that room is full of love (if it is). But I don't think her "exposure" to it helped her in any way that fateful night.

I think by DD's comparison of Harry to the Room is a possible hint to it being Lily's love in there and Harry's link/destiny to open it and use the power inside.

As far as how Slughorn comes into play, I'm not sure. That would be hard to weave in there. Not that it would be impossible, I'm just having a brain freeze trying to theorize him into the mix.