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NastyShort
Big, huge, extreme w00t for Society_is_dumb!

NO HARRY/GINNY!!! At least not at all for me. I'd like to have Harry not paired up or paired up with a new likable character. Or Susan Bones....lol.
BellatrixBlack
Well, JK said there will be no new character. Personally, Ginny seems the only good person out there for Harry. Harry hardly knows Susan Bones, though I will admit I was happy when she was mentioned in the 5th book. Oh well, I guess we'll see.
LuciusMalfoy
Well, I still say Harry and Ginny are destined. I also want Harry to realize his feelings for Ginny and go after her. Or whatever it was you said, Bella. She does seem to be the only one in the books that is right for him. I couldn't picture him with anyone else.
mizz*J
I reaaly hope that the get together! they would make such a cute/cool couole...i mean...they're 2 hot-heads, they're both lions...u know what i mean biggrin.gif
FrEcKlEd
if while reading the next installment in the series, i find that Harry and Ginny do NOT become a couple, I will absolutley chuck my book across the room. And then I'll go get it to make sure I didn't dent it or anything, and continue reading. I mean, I really want this to happen, and I'll be dissapointed if it doesnt but...isn't all this shipping making you feel like you're watching a soap opera!!

i totally agree with you lucius...who else in the series fits with Harry as well as she does? the reason why a lot of people dont make the connection is because JK leaves it beneath the surface so that only the most observent of us (i.e. H/G shippers-HAHA kidding) notice. Rock on H/G!!
LuciusMalfoy
Yeah, I mean, she understands him. Cause she knows what it's like to be controled by Voldemort. To have him inside your head and all that. She's no stranger to that stuff and she's really smart and so cool since the 5th book.

I too would probably get really angry, but I would never throw my book. lol. Couldn't risk hurting it. lol. But that's just because I'm a big dork. wink.gif
eedoe
QUOTE (yellowjacket1116 @ Jul 19 2004, 04:11 PM)
I think Ginny was lying when she told Hermione that.  She still likes Harry, but doesn't want him to think she's still obsessed.  Does that make any sense whatsoever?

Actually, it does make sense. JKR didn't spend the entire book subtly pointing out, repeatedly, how well Ginny is at lying for nothing. I don't think Ginny is obsessed with Harry. I believe she's gotten past the 'He's Harry Potter' crush. I believe she cares deeply for him, will always have a strong bond with him and would welcome his affections when he does open his eyes.

As for Ginny's mention of Dean at the end of the OotP, again, JKR didn't establish that Ginny is good at lying for nothing. Also notice how she wrote that Ginny said it vaguely.

I enjoyed the fact that JKR also went out of her way to show how much Harry did not notice Ginny. Why bother pointing that out unless she wanted us to see it. Also, in one telling point in OotP Harry watched Ginny walk away as she went to tell Michael Corner and his friends concerning the D.A. -- It was after he watched her that his attention was drawn to the Ravenclaw table and to Cho Chang. Not that he looked over to find Cho. He watched Ginny. And notice how abruptly JK left it, she cut the sentence off cold after that. She purposefully diverted the readers attention away from Ginny by mentioning Cho.

In the scene at the library when Harry opens up to Ginny about wishing to speak to Sirius. He tends to never be that candid, even with Ron and Hermione at times.
OotP, chapter Twenty-Nine (Career Advice) pg. 655 amer.
Harry looked at her (Ginny). Perhaps it was the effect of the chocolate --- Lupin had always advised eating some after encounters with dementors -- or simply because he had finally spoken aloud the wish that had been burning inside him for a week, but he felt a bit more hopeful....
Notice how firstly JK interrupted the readers train of thought to throw them off by mentioning Lupin, or brushing it off that it was possibly the effects of the chocolate? Yes, to get it off of his chest would make him feel a bit better. But it was with Ginny, because of Ginny that he began to feel hopeful again. And not only did Ginny get him to open up, she then went and did something about it by talking to Fred and George.
FrEcKlEd
i completely agree with what eedoe is saying, about how JKR purposefully leads the reader away from Ginny, and keeps any thoughts Harry might have of her from becoming evident. It is a technique many old mystery writers use, and JKR once stated that she loves mystery stories. I found this bit in an article off hp-lexicon.org, which i think follows up on that;

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Having created Ginny, Rowling then goes to the trouble of bringing her to King's Cross and deliberately -- perhaps tantalisingly -- showing the reader a glimpse of her. That most poignant and evocative pseudo lover's scene on the platform where the little red-haired girl runs after the train (SS6) is perhaps the most telling foreshadowing for the fate of this character. Stations have often served as trysting places, as in Brief Encounter, and there are echoes perhaps of Rowling's own parents too. These books are in part a rite of passage for Harry Potter and in also in part murder mystery. In the style of the classics of that genre, we are perhaps here being shown our important protagonists at the start of their journey both physically and metaphorically.

Then what? A more skillful and effective smoke screening of this character could scarcely have been achieved. Rowling could easily allow Ginny, who is close in age to the trio, to simply join them and let them play Julian, Dick, George, and Anne at Kirrin Cottage (alias The Burrow), but she does not submit to this well-worn path. Perhaps this would lead us to jump to conclusions too early in the game. Instead, Ginny is not included nor yet left to languish. Instead our eyes are deliberately led away from her. In fact, we know that Rowling despises this Blytonesque endless summer holiday world where youngest Anne served copious Ginger Beer and was only ever complimented on her wifely attributes. It would be unlikely that she would doom one of her own characters to domestic compliancy and servitude, although this is often the role that fan fiction in particular confers upon Ginny. Could this lemming-like rush to cast her as the empty vessel for a minor character's seed serve as testament to how efficiently our eyes are being diverted from the true character and her role?

^^^ essay by water witch...ginny weasley, why?

i hope that helped show what i'm goin on about biggrin.gif if you wanna read the full essay, its very good -
http://www.hp-lexicon.org/essays/essay-harry-ginny.html
BellatrixBlack
I have never really seen it that way, but I really really like that idea. Oh it makes me even more hopeful for a Ginny and Harry realtionship.
joeshmoe1228
Harry and Ginny wouldn't really work for me. I think the situation with Ginny being Harry's best friend's little sister makes it sort of awkward. Ginny just had a little crush on him in the beginning because of the way everyone saw him as a "celebrity". But it wore off and Ginny's moved on, so stop bringing it back. Ginny always seemed so much more younger than Harry. I have no idea why. The only way they know each other is through Ron. If Ron didn't meet Harry, I don't think Harry would've met Ginny.
BellatrixBlack
I used to see Ginny as Ron's little sister, but by the end of book 5, I saw her in a different light, and I think Harry will too. She does care for him, even more than her school girl crush in my opinion.
FrEcKlEd
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Ginny just had a little crush on him in the beginning because of the way everyone saw him as a "celebrity". But it wore off and Ginny's moved on, so stop bringing it back.


um, i think it might have been a little more than a crush. i believe in an article JRK said in her own words "ginny is languishing in love with harry". pretty descriptive and mature, no? do you think it would be difficult to fall for someone who saved your life? i dont think so, and a lot of others don't think so either, so yeah, we will bring it back. again and again and again until the h/g ship has sunk, which it hasn't.

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If Ron didn't meet Harry, I don't think Harry would've met Ginny.


so? you might call that coincidence, but i call it destiny biggrin.gif
BellatrixBlack
I agree with FrEcKlEd, it will sink in eventually, just wait it will, lol.
tripmywire
QUOTE (FrEcKlEd @ Aug 21 2004, 12:44 AM)

um, i think it might have been a little more than a crush. i believe in an article JRK said in her own words "ginny is languishing in love with harry". pretty descriptive and mature, no? do you think it would be difficult to fall for someone who saved your life? i dont think so, and a lot of others don't think so either, so yeah, we will bring it back. again and again and again until the h/g ship has sunk, which it hasn't.


I totally agree with you...

Has anyone ever had a major crush or actually fallen in love with someone that was your best friends friend?

Well, if you have you will note that it is sort of hard to "just get over" them. Even though you are in another relationship you still have that little spark in your heart for that person.

I can totally see Ginny and Harry hooking up!!

* keeping fingers crossed *
LuciusMalfoy
I can understand that, seeing as how I'm in love with my brother's friend. lol. I have been since forever and I will always love him. I believe that Ginny will be the same way. She may get over him, like I have over mine, but she will always have feelings for him. Even if nothing ever happens between the two. (Which it will!) But yeah, I know it wasn't just a crush for her. It was love.
And Harry will hopefully realize what a great girl she is.
BellatrixBlack
Love? Woah, that is going a bit far, seeing as how she was 10 when she first saw Harry, but these kind of love can start at an early age. I just want Harry to realize what an awsome girl Ginny is, and Ron approves so there wouldnt be trouble in the friendship.
LuciusMalfoy
Err, Bella. But seeing as how you hate love and don't really believe it exists tongue.gif Nah, I do believe it's love, maybe not a completely mature one, but it is definitly there. You always love your first crush, most of the time, at least the one you go all crazy over and have for several years like Ginny.
And hey, so what if she was 10 when she first saw him, when I fist saw mine I was about her age or a year younger. But then you know that story.
I just think that they could have love and be together forever, but boys are slow so it might take awhile to happen.
FrEcKlEd
i just found an interesting essay on H/G that has got me thinking * i smell a new fanfic!* i dont nessacerily think it is "proof" that harry and ginny will end up together, but its an interesting thought all the same...

i found the essay at http://hgforever.com/HGessays and it's called Blood Protection Theory by Muco. read it!!

its basically saying that when harry stabbed the basilisk fang into the diary, all the ink (i.e. ginny's hopes and fears that riddle fed on) came spurting out and a large hole was burned in the diary. there were two things on the basilisk fang at the time that it was plunged into the diary: 1. venom 2. harry's blood. it is possible that the venom was the cause of the hole in the book, but the theory states that since Harry's blood is so dangerous to voldemort (he couldn't even touch him until he did that blood ceremony thingy, and the whole aunt petunia blood protection thinger) it was Harry's blood the expelled all of the ink and actually destroyed the magical properties of the diary. a mere stab wound would destroy the diary physically, but now that i think about it it seems unlikely poking it with a sharp something would remove all that strong magic. so basically, the theory says that Harry's saved Ginny directly using his blood which as we all know is important throughout the series...it goes on to explain about "blood bonds" and so on, which is fascinating as well, but i just had to put that bit about the diary. any ideas?


ok now that i think about it, i am DEFINATLEY writing a fanfiction about that theory lol.
LuciusMalfoy
That sounds really cool. I'm gonna have to read that when I get the time.
So, it's probably just an essay that will make me think that H/G will happen even more than I already do think it will happen.
Cornelius_Fudge
the ginny harry ship could be possible, it can be even more possible if ron and hermy get hooked up. and them getting hooked up is not 100%
LuciusMalfoy
I'd say it was just about 100% that Ron and Hermione will get together. So, yeah, I'd say there are fairly good odds that Harry will get with Ginny. But then again, you can never be too sure about anything when it comes to JKR.
FrEcKlEd
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But then again, you can never be too sure about anything when it comes to JKR.


too true. some days, i'm like "yeah, Harry and Ginny are totally gonna be together. no question." and then other days im like "uh-oh. could i be wrong?" and really, it could go either way. but i stand by my ship!!
BellatrixBlack
I hope this ship does happen. Then Harry can really be a part of the Weasley family when they get married, lol. Okay, getting a little too caried away.
LuciusMalfoy
That would be so cute if he became part of a real family that practically already counts him as family. It would be too cute! I love Harry and Ginny!
Padfoot4Ever
I don't know about this one. It would be cute. I think there's a chance but I don't know. It seems Ron is alright with it and Ginny probably still likes Harry. It only said she'd given up on him. Thats doesn't mean she doesn't like him. But who knows what Harry thinks about her.
eedoe
I believe it will be one of those cases where Harry simply is struck one day with how important Ginny is to him, like a bolt out of the blue. He won't be able to tell the exact day he fell in love with her, but it will feel as if he always has and always will. I'm hoping that it doesn't occure at a time when she is in great peril, but it could very well be the case.

And for those who might wish to complain of how it is typical, predictable, cliché.... I say: classics never die and never get 'old'. Give in to the romanticism of it all and get over your jaded selves.
tripmywire
QUOTE (eedoe @ Sep 3 2004, 01:42 AM)
I believe it will be one of those cases where Harry simply is struck one day with how important Ginny is to him, like a bolt out of the blue.  He won't be able to tell the exact day he fell in love with her, but it will feel as if he always has and always will.  I'm hoping that it doesn't occure at a time when she is in great peril, but it could very well be the case.

And for those who might wish to complain of how it is typical, predictable, cliché....  I say: classics never die and never get 'old'.  Give in to the romanticism of it all and get over your jaded selves.

eedoe...you took the words right out of my mouth...?

I have to agree with everything you wrote...
Lynn
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I hate the character Ginny, don't know why.
BellatrixBlack
You might hate Ginny's character, but that doesnt mean Harry will, hehe.
LuciusMalfoy
Too true, Bella, too true. Harry doesn't hate Ginny at all.
BellatrixBlack
I still cant wait till Harry starts to see Ginny in a new light. Not just as Ron's little sister. But Ginny, the good Quiditch player. With all those team practices, just imangine what can happen, lol.
LuciusMalfoy
You read too much fanfic to be thinking like that. tongue.gif

I do hope she is on the team, cause that'll definitely give her and Harry some more time with each other and more opportunities for them to find out the others feelings and all that.

They're so cute, I hope they get together.
BellatrixBlack
Yeah I do read way too much fanfic, though it is mainly slash. I really do want this couple to happen. it has been forshadowed!! no, i dont even know if it was. the only thing i have is that ron approves, and he apporves of no one for Ginnny, and the whole quiddith thing. 0_0
BellatrixBlack
Yeah, I found this site on a webpage, then someone else sent it to me, I think it was freckled, sorry if i didnt spell ur name right. But I made this one and I thought it was cute, lol.
Click here to see it
Lynn
grosssss I don't like ginny gross gross gross
eedoe
QUOTE (Lynn @ Sep 5 2004, 11:48 AM)
grosssss I don't like ginny gross gross gross

Aside from that comment being extremely rude, you give no reason as to why you feel so strongly against this character. You, as well as everyone else, have the right to like and dislike whatever you wish; but respect is always a must. In your opinion she is gross, many Harry Potter fans would tend to disagree. If you wish to express your distate for someone in the future, you should consider giving your reasons for these feeling as well.

To get back on topic:

I believe if Harry does turn to have feelings for Ginny that it simply won't occure until the seventh book. With that said, do you think Harry will begin to turn to Ginny more durning book six with concerns that he has in general? We saw in book five how he could open up to her with the scene in the library. Do you think he will continue to brood in his solitary fashion, or begin to rely on Ginny more when he needs to vent?
BellatrixBlack
Ehh, it was probably a young fan who said that. I do think Harry and Ginny will become better friends before anything happens. And sorry for the link not working, I took it off, lol.
MargeauxBlack
I think they could work... I mean, Ginny did have a crush on harry until whats his name came along( want to say micheal corner, but not sure) now that Cho is out of the picture for Harry, and Micheal is out of the picture for Ginny, they have a good chance at a relationship/
eedoe
QUOTE (MargeauxBlack @ Sep 6 2004, 06:39 PM)
I think they could work... I mean, Ginny did have a crush on harry until whats his name came along( want to say micheal corner, but not sure) now that Cho is out of the picture for Harry, and Micheal is out of the picture for Ginny, they have a good chance at a relationship/


You are correct, it was Michael Corner. I think Ginny actually became disenchanted and generally gave up on Harry back when she found out about Harry asking Cho to the Yule Ball and Ron suggested Harry take Ginny instead. It just so happened that Ginny then met Michael at the Yule Ball (per Hermione's telling Ron and Harry).
I'm not sure if the fact that Michael's last name is Corner is some sort of symbolic hint on JK's part. Hinting that Ginny's now 'turned a corner' and given up on the hopes of her and Harry ever getting together.
LuciusMalfoy
I think that Ginny has given up on anything happening to Harry, and I think that's good for her. But I don't think that means there isn't a chance for them. She may have given up on him, but that doesn't mean she no longer feels anything for him. I'm sure that if/when he finally gets around to figuring out that he likes her she'll get with him.

I do think that there may be hints of their budding romance in the 6th book, but probably more will happen with them in the 7th book.
eedoe
Exactly, LuciusMalfoy, just because she has given up on him doesn't mean she has given up her feelings.
I think we'll see a bit more of Harry not noticing Ginny in book 6 but not to the extent of book 5 (In a romantic way that is). Reason being, I believe book 6's romantic focus will be towards Ron and Hermione, since it focused mainly on Harry's relationship with Cho in book 5.

LuciusMalfoy
I hope it is mostly about Ron and Hermione. We've all been waiting so long for that to happen. *sigh* I'd be happy if it it was.
But I can't wait for Harry to wake up and finally notice Ginny as not the victom of Voldy or Ron's little sister, but as a girl. One that he can relate to and tell things to and someone who understnads him. OKay, I'll stop now, I tend to get carried away when it comes to my ships.
MaddMuggle
There is so much evidence of a harry/Ginny relationship working out, I could paper my bedroom with it. Allow me to lay it out for the non-believers...

1. Harry saved Ginny's life in chamber of secrets, this you all know. At the end of POA, Dumbledore told Harry that when a wizard saves another wizards life, it creates a bond between the two. Since Harry did save Ginny's life, they share a bond just waiting to be noticed. Ginny will most likely save his life to return the favor. why else would J.K Rowling create a bond between Harry and Ginny is it didn't mean anything?

2. Harry and Ginny are both the only two known survivors of Voldemort.

3. The both of them have been possessed by Voldemort.

4.They both share bonds with Voldemort. Harry's bond with him is through the scar, and for Ginny, if most remember in chamber of secrets, Tom Riddle told Harry that ginny was part of his soul, and he was a part of hers?? Thus, Ginny has a bond with Voldemort.

5. You can't help but notice the uncanny likeness of Ginny and Lily Potter both having red hair and flaring tempers, while Harry is a split image of his dad.

6. Harry's name is associated with power and kings, as many, and I mean Many king have been named 'Harry', that would associate him with King. Ginny's real name is Ginevra, which comes from Guinevere from King Arthur, and she was his Queen. See it? King and Queen?

7. Its also quite uncanny how both Harry and Ginny's ex's get together at the end of book 5, i.e. Cho Chang and Micheal Corner.

8. Come on, Ron obviously approves of the relationship, I'm not even going to write the quote down, you know which one I'm talking about...

9. J.K. Rowling has given more to Ginny's character in book 5, we're starting to know more about her.

10. Unlike everyone else, Ginny is not afraid to stand up to Harry when his temper is flaring. To Hermione/Harry shippers: I don't see her standing up to him.

11. Ginny obviously was in love with Harry into GOF, I don't think J.K. Rowling had her pining for that long, only to give up and move on. 5 years is a long time.

12. Hermione told Harry that Ginny gave up on him, but what she didn't say is that, She got Over him... hmmm?... Ginny might not be waiting for him to return affection, but it didn't say that she stopped loving him...

13. Both Harry and Ginny have almost died at the hands of Voldemort and Ginny almost caused others to be killed by the basilisk for her mistake of trusting the lies of the diary, and Harry got Sirius killed in book 5 because he believed in the lies of Kreacher. They both have felt guilt since they were naive to trust in the wrong people and get people hurt for it. Harry will be able to confide in Ginny.

14. J.K. Rowling herself has given evidence, but you'll have to go to a harry/ginny site to read it yourself.

15. and really, in book 6, harry is going to need someone to pull him out of his grief. He obviously does not like to talk to ron, hermione or hagrid about it, but did you notice that time in the library when Harry talked to ginny about needing to talk with sirius? She asked Harry what was bothering him, and he actually told her the truth! Thats more then I could say about ron and hermione...

I think that for now, that would be enough evidence hehehe. I hope non-believers can now see the light that the harry/ginny relationship is very, very probable...

cheers! biggrin.gif
LuciusMalfoy
Of course all us G/H shippers know all this already. But hopefully the ones that don't believe this ship will happen will read those points and realize that there is something there.

Ginny & Harry!
BellatrixBlack
You should really try to post that under Hermione/Harry, the main reason that has so many pages is because other ppl go in there to argue how Hr/H will never happen, I should know, I used to be on of them. 0_0
Mr.HairyKiwis
QUOTE (BellatrixBlack @ Sep 7 2004, 08:55 PM)
You should really try to post that under Hermione/Harry, the main reason that has so many pages is because other ppl go in there to argue how Hr/H will never happen, I should know, I used to be on of them. 0_0

So you were one of them huh. So what do you think will happen then with Ginny and that other guy? I think that they will get together and as for Harry and Hermoine they should get together because that would actually be interesting. They would make a great couple. What do you think Bellatrix? huh.gif
LuciusMalfoy
I didn't know you'd ever join a forum like this, Kiwis! tongue.gif

But no, Harry and Hermione wouldn't be good. And what guy are you talking about with Ginny? Do you mean Draco?
eedoe
I believe she might have been referring to Dean Thomas when going back to Ginny's mention of choosing him. I still say that JK didn't spend an entire book showing how good of a liar Ginny can be to simply have her tell the truth like in the end. I think Ginny said it to 'jerk Ron's chain.'
BellatrixBlack
i thought she was telling Ron she was already with Dean, was that just me? I dunno, maybe she was just interested. But I thought they were already together, O_O
LuciusMalfoy
Yeah, that's what I thought when I read it. I thought she meant that they were already "going out" or whatever.

And I think he (MrHairyKiwis) didn't mean Dean cause he's never read the 5th book. lol.
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