okay so as I promised here is your nice new shiny thread..the old one can be found here


This is where you left off


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Yeah!!! I am the first to post here! Great!
Alright i have missed the topic for a while but what i get from the post pigwidigon quoted, you were discussing about good and bad pirates.
Well...after seeing the trailer and noticing Barbossa's words about the greatest pirate meeting ever, i think that Sao Feng is neither good or bad. I think that the fact that Davy Jones' heart was taken by the ETU is a menace to all of them so Sao Feng came all the way from China to help our pirates get it back...That's what i think.

OH BTW, mods don't you think there should be a *warning spoilers* thing on the title? We don't want to ruin people's fun... This was in the previous topic...

Yep good point there alkisti. It is only fair.

Ok Sao Feng.

I can't be sure about him he seems friendly enough and he is staying in Singapore i think. Well he says on the trailer...

" Welcom to Singapore."

I think he may b good i have a gut instinct. I just hope i am right!

oooh...haha, a new shiny thread...
mmm...yes...Sao Fang...i'm not too sure about him really, but I rekon he is on jack's side (for some odd reason that I can't explain) but I do know that he is from singapore

Shiny Thread!

Anyway Sao Fang, I think his good, but didn't he take Liz in place if Jack for some reason? Some early pictures showed him talking to Barbossa and Jack on his ship, so I think Jack owes him something (apart from the money the trailer says he owes nearly every pirate), and his wants it, but gets Liz instead?

This is from the leaked spirt: SPOILER!!!!


It's because he thinks that Elizabeth is the women who Davy Jones loved and cut out his heart for.


End of SPOILER
That's why.
Singapore wasn't a colony of the Britian till 1819, and the movies take place sometime in the late 1600s, early 1700s. So it's actually a very sizable mistake, wouldn't you say?

Hmm. Well he reckons it but that doesn't mean that it is true.

Like my cousions are now saying to me. They think that Tia Dalma is the woman he loved or they are linked together somehow. I agree with them it seems likely with all those symbols the locket and on the organ and chest. That has been said before!

Amyrat151 where do you find all thesse leaked spoilers?? Do you have to dig dip??

Where did you find that Amyrat? I knew he captrued Elizabeth but I didn't know why.
So I reckon he's on his on team, looking out for his own interests. Kind of like Jack in the first two. He'll probably be good by the end, or maybe not who knows.
I agree that Davy Jones and Tia Dalama are linked. They're both weirdos lol.

that's like me...for some reason I believe that tia dalma has some strange connection with the chest, since she obviously knows quite a bit about it. Eliazabeth?...Davy Jones?...are you serious....my...my....what an interesting spoiler...

Well i know for sure that Sao Feng is from Singapore...they say so when they show him...does anyone know who the other leaders are and where they're from?

oh, and i dont think Davy Jones loved Elizabeth, since it seems highly unlikely...they're talking about something that happened wayyy back, for Jack and Jones seem to go back a long time...and the chances of Elizabeth being Jones' ladylove is pretty slim...and there's loads of back up for that if you want to tell you...

and about Tia Dalma being Jones' love, i dont really know about that...i mean, it could be possible, but i'm not quite hundred percent on that...i have a feeling Tia Dalma doesnt have such a big role to play...

then again, i could be wholly wrong! but no, NOT ELIZABETH!!! JUST CANT BE!!!

To be honest i think thats just crazy but the spoiler just said that he only Thought she was Daveys woman> So it doesn't mean she is. That would be crazy really.





Erm i'm not to sure i think one might be from China or india or something like that but i can't be to sure.

I thought Sao Feng was from Singapore too. He says when he first sees them 'Welcome to Singapre.'
So how do you reckon Jack will get out of the Kracken? I can't think of anything except a funny story I made up last September.

Hey guys, just for a reminder, spoilers can be guarded by doing a [*spoil] [*/spoil] tag. It will give you the black bar. Black bar of doom.

I don't think Davy's woman was either Elizabeth or Tia Dalma. I have no idea who it might be, but either way, it will be interesting to know. I think Tia knows because she sort of has the all-knowing thing going. Will just walked in and she knew his name and that he had a touch of destiny and all that. And Elizabeth is too young to be his lover. Unless they pull the "you-look-like-Davy-Jones'-old-lover-so-he-wants-to-keep-you" card. That would be sort of lame. Elizabeth isn't that desirable anyway. I think Will should have made her walk the plank.

There is a pirate, presumably a captain showed right after Sao Feng is on screen....who is that guy? (It's when they talk about the best pirates or whatever it said.)

Well i am defiently ruleing out the Elizabeth is Davey Jones's lover theory. It just seems very strange. Though i am still rooting for the Tia Dalme theory.



I think he does die thats the thing i don't think he gets out because if they where keeping to reality he wouldn't get out. Of course we would have to assume reality was giant water monsters.
Maybe they just find him dead and bring him back to life like Tia Dalma must have done with Barbossa.

mmm...true...it seems very unbeliveable & quite weird, actucally...but yes, there is a very good possibility of it being Tia dalma...

ahhhh...as much as that might be a possibility....I honestly don't think so...but yes, it is possible....

Hmm. Why don't you think that ChOco just intrested?

Ok so close to the movei now. Do you think that Jack may die for real in this one?? Or maybe Elizabeth or Will. I think omebody will die ( obviously) but major or not is the question. Davey Jones could die and Becket. The bad guys! It is disney after all.

Thank you, Seriouslysirius, I said "he thinks," not "she is." Where I got that from, I feel like I've said this five times, and I swear I will only say it once more, is from a very early draft of the thrid movie that was leaked on line.
I think that Norrington might die, he seems fit to die, storyline wise.

Yes no problem. Amyrat151 i was wondering why everyone was saying she is?? Hmm. Well all is cleared up now.

Yes Norrington his character seems to be going near that rocky edge of the cliff. He might be killed by someone but who Davey Jones maybe. Somebody who would be really annoyed with him?? But once again. Who? Or maybe he falls of a ship or drowns or something along thosse lines.

well...there is no real reason...I just don't feel as if that's going to happen, cause it might seem a bit repetitive... (if that made sense )

*sigh* sadly, I think that Jack will die....*sigh*...don't ask me why...I just feel that he will die...but who knows, i could be wrong...

yeah, I also rekon norrington will end up dying...for some reason I rekon he will sacrifice himself...or something like that...

ChOco... You're theorys are scarying me. Because i fear you may be right in a strange way.



Sort of yeah you mean that it is so typical of disney that he would just magically come back to life???




I so hope you are wrong. I don't want that!!

Yeah sacrivce Norrington but maybe hmm this is hard.

*sigh* it is my honest opinion, though...

yeah, you got me...it just seems...I dunno...a little corny...for him to just be brought back to life, by Tia Dalma, no less...

For once in my life, I hope I am wrong as well...Jack dying would be almost a crime!

yeah, for some reason I have this really weird notion that norrington will sacrifice himself for jack...totally absurd, I know...but it kinda does fit in...

Yes it would be c terrible crime and act of vandalisum to kill the prime character. Captain Jack!

Thats a hint to the film producers and a hint to JK don't kill Harry!

I hope he don't die i really do!

true that...*sigh* don't we all wish that Jack doesn't die...
Hey, I was just wondering...I don't recall seeing either Ragetti or pintel in the AWE trailer...does that mean they're not going to be in the film...or have I finally cracked?

Well you see... You hve cracked!! Pintel and Ragetti were in the trailer and did stand out a bit no! They are defiently in it. Maybe you just forgot but no they defiently are in it. There where in the shots of Jacks return!

ok, I just re-watched the trailer...again...& yeah...I saw them this time, although they weren't that apparent...gosh, i'm really losing it!

@ Norrington dieing: I read somewhere that Will's Dad was to kill him, but I can't remember where


SPOILER



@The other pirate lords: If you want to read there names, go the Official Pirates of The Caribbean At Worlds End Website, its one of those where you play through, you know what I mean?
The website was also talking about having a "Piece Of Eight" to be present at the big gathering of Pirates. However there are actually Nine PIeces of Eight and if you have all of them you can be Pirate King...

I was going to use the SPOILER Tags but they wouldn't work! I removed the *, and the text just disappeared...

Will's Dad huh? I think it would make more sense if he was killed by Will himself, but whatever.
I think that Tia is the woman who Jones fell in love with, I think that someone said something about her age, how she's not old enough. Well, she's a wicth or whatever, you think that she can't live longer than normal people?

He's Dad yeah. It was Wikipedia that it was on, the site also said that Will and Jack's Dad work together to save there sons.

Ermm.. Really. I on;y heard Jacks Dad was only in a cammo. And wikipeidas full of theorys i like some of them but i dont agree with all of them. No i don't think he will be killed by a good guy. IO don't no really ahh it's confusing..

We will just have to wait to find out.

Well, it's not like we have to wait terribly long to find out, 6 weeks about.
Anyone can add or subtract to Wikpedia, so I wouldn't put to much stock into it. But Anyway, I think Norrignton will die, he might even fall down into a pit or drown instead of getting sliced and diced.

I don't think Jack, Will, Or Lizzie will die. It is a Disney movie and Disney usually doesn't kill off main characters forever do they? I mean they do parents like Lion King, Fox and the Hound, Bambi etc. so maybe Bootstrap Bill will die fighting Davy Jones prtecting Will or something?
I dunno if Norrington will die, I haven't really thought about it.

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I know Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, but Wikipedia can stop some pages being edited, and they have removed information from the Pirates of The Caribbean pages because it was wrong, or Warner Bros/Disney told them to, yet that piece about him being killed by Will's dad is still on.

That part was from a early leaked script that was put on the internet, the writers say that draft has been changed alot, but some parts may still be the same. The thing about Jack and Will's Dad working together I believe to be true, and Jack is supposed to come across his father. Also, Elizabeth is supposed to meet Will's Dad on the Flying Ducthman, he is upset because he thinks Will died on that ship the Kraken destryoed.

Huh, well it's just that, I don't really think that it would have a great impact on the audience for Norrington to be killed by Bootstrap, and it would make more sense for Jack or Will to kill him.
I wonder how that conversation will go with Elizabeth and Bill, "hi I'm the ex-grilfriend of or long lost (resently found) son."
I say ex because I think Will will break it off with her at the start of the movie.

I agree with you there, Will will break up with her because he thinks she wants to be with Jack not him, which I don't think even she's decided yet, but the trailer tells us he asks her again.

I think that she's decided. She knows she loves Will, and that she lusts for Jack, Jack and Elizabeth could never have anything substancal. And if you wacth your commentry of the 2nd pirate's movie, never do the Ted or Terry say in anyway that Jack and Elizabeth love each other.
I think she'll spend the movie convicing the audience that it's Will she loves, and that's why he'll ask her to marry him again.

I did listen to the commentray of the 2nd movie, and Ted and/or Terry don't say they love each other, I'm not questioning that, but they hadn't finished the scrip then, if you watch the bonus extras of the 2nd disk, they say several times they save the full draft till the last minute, its just something they do. When they were casting Tia Dalma, they hadn't even written the scene she was going to do, they just prepared a small piece for the actresses to use.

I do personally agree with you, she loves Will and only Lusts after Will, but the compass pointed at Jack several times during P2, so she must, at some point, want him more then Will, so I think she is, at the end of P2, still deciding on who she truly wants, but I think its Will [she wants]. I think she'll also spend the movie convincing she loves Will himself, not just the audience, as you can tell by Will's face (and I think Ted and Terry touched on this at the time), Will is a person who wants whats best for Liz, as he loves her, so he thinks she loves Jack. She spends the movie up to when he proproses convincing him she loves him more. She succeds, and he proproses again.

ahhh...yes, that's what I had in mind as well...when I saw will's proposal in the trailer

true that! I rekon even though she 'loves' will & all....she still has a little attraction towards jack cause he saved her life in COTB; also the fact that jack often flirts with her a bit, as he does with all the ladies.

Oh i just wanted to say something. I was out at the shops yesterday and i went to the section where there was posters. And there where to AT World's end. Posters! One of Jack and one of the lot of them. I didn't get them sadly i was getting something else but i may get one soon.!! Look out for them.

Wow, really? I think I've seen the posters on websites, is the background like a misty like thing?



Yes, exacly. She lusts for Jack cause his really fliartatious(sp?), but she doesn't love him, like she loves Will.

i dont think Jack could last with anyone for more than a week, since he's a pirate and he's quite selfish, admit it or not...i dont mean it in a negative way, because that's what makes him so desirable and its in his pirate blood...he just isnt the kind of guy that can live with a woman and her love for life...will is more of that kind of a guy...you know, pretty boy gets the pretty girl? yeah, that suits him...he should seriously get eliza at the end...


lol, how can anyone not feel something for Jack? i mean, he's JACK! JACK SPARROW! you've got to love him, being a woman!

and about deaths and murderers...i could hardly care about norrington dying...i mean, he's not that huge a character, nor does he contribute much to the plot...and there's no point in killing him, let alone be killed by Jack, Will or Davy Jones...however, i agree that Bootstrap Bill might die saving Will...but thats just because he's a dad, and parents and children have a relationship that could make you cry at a time of tragedy...so, there you go...oh and dont we already know for sure that Jack and Bill used to know each other?

anyone found the script of At World's End? if not, my friend has it, i'll post it here! but just so you know, its HUGE...and i mean HUGE, as in COLOSSAL, GIGANTIC, MASSIVE, GARGANTUAN!!! i'm not kidding, i meant it! so be careful of what you ask for!

I wouldn't post it here. If its that big, it would take up alot of room, and we may be in trouble for it. People should PM you if they want. I'll be PM'ing you now....

I'm sorry, but I think it's clear in the second movie, when he is much more troubled and serious in demeanour, that he has changed somewhat since when we first see him (the whole first movie he's trying to get his boat back, and that's all he cares about, but by the end of DMC he's realized that "it's just a ship"--if that doesn't show growth, i don't know what else does...), just as Eliz has, and there is actually a lot of evidence to suggest that Jack does indeed love Elizabeth, maybe not as obsessively and slavishly as Will, but pretty deeply, so that his compass no longer works properly, so torn is he over Elizabeth (the other direction the compass points to). You can tell Elizabeth is on his mind b/c he easily guesses Tia Dalma's riddle (the only one to do so--clearly love has been vexing JACK! His crew has been commenting that he's been acting vexed as well outside of that scene, before he even got that visit from Bootstrap Bill...), supposedly on the commentary they said he mentions the rum thing while his compass is going all over the place to show that he's thinking about the last time the rum was gone, as well as to be funny. The only time when his compass works perfectly and without question is when Elizabeth is sitting on the chest--in other words, when the two things he wants most in the world are in the same place. And in the end, when he's escaping, I have a feeling it was mostly Elizabeth he was going back to, since the compass has been pointing that way anyway, and he doesn't seem to care as much about anyone else on board....and just look at him when she comes up behind him--he has to close his eyes for a second, he's so overwhelmed by her presence, and when she kisses him he is so surprised he just kisses back, enjoying the moment, but not acting at all gross or lascivious. There's his reaction, the look on his face, when Will first says that Elizabeth is in danger...and as his shipmate said, Jack plays things pretty close to the vest--yet he reveals himself and opens up when he's around Elizabeth, like on the island...And when she finally reveals her betrayal, he just SMILES--SMILES, b/c she has shown herself to be a pirate after all, and in pure admiration and appreciation of her cleverness and daring--he has finally found his match in a woman. I'm sure he wasn't smiling when he was last betrayed by his crew! So in short, it's pretty clear that Jack is in love with Elizabeth, not just lust, though he is a bit hesitant to claim her as Tia Dalma observes, b/c he knows about her and Will. To read more and these points, here is an excellent essay about Jack's love for Eliz:

http://www.state-of-daydream.net/icgf/swasp/essay_01.php

Furthermore, I think it's definitely more than just lust on Elizabeth's side--IMO the person she is in DMC is much more pirate-like and in tune with Jack than with Will. Elizabeth has always been fascinated by pirates, but the thing is, Will is not a pirate at heart, though Elizabeth pathetically tries to make him into one as seen in the end. Elizabeth craves freedom and independence, basically the life of a pirate, which Jack represents to her and can give to her. Governor's daughter or not, I have the feeling she'd prefer life on a pirate ship to in society, she's too independent and adventure-some and rebellious for that. She is also somewhat ruthless when it comes to getting what she wants, like Jack can be sometimes--she and Jack are more like "birds of a feather" (lol) than Eliz and Will are, aznd like does attract like....and they certainly have a spark and a boatload of chemistry (Sparrabeth is "the hottest ship aboard a ship" after all! ). You can tell in the end, in the way she slowly drags her hand away, and almost kisses him a second time, how she can hardley tear herself away from him, that she wants him, but then the way she's so down and gloomy and sorrowful at Tia Dalma's....she would not be feeling that way about someone she merely lusts for....

In short, I think Jack/Elizabeth make a fine pair, that they are better suited for one another, have more in common (really, what do Will and Eliz have in common? He always had a thing for her even when he barely knew her) and definitely more interesting. I think it's mere existence shows how Disney is NOT always quite so neat and tidy in their movies (Jack period does not fit with that Disney idea), and so I think it could still happen (as seen by Jacks' "You keep telling yourself that, love!" that HE is still interested in and loves her, and Eliz's statement in that monotonous tone with that look on her face is hardly convincing thatg all her feelings are gone as well, lol!), though I don't think it will--seems that happens with so many great ships, lol...

So in any case, consdering the depth of Jack's feelings for Eliz evident in the film, and his maturing throughout, he CERTAINLY could last with her for more than a week, that's just silly....and if we're going with something as shallow as "pretty boy gets pretty girl", it should still be Jack and Liz--b/c Jack is sooo much hotter than Will, lol!

Swans and Sparrows--Birds of a Feather, Flock Together!


I think from the dress and such it's clearly supposed to be in the 1700s....and lol, I wouldn't worry about accuracy, the whole idea of Eliz being able to "choose" who she wants to marry in the first place and break of an engagement with a prominent military man to marry a poor nobody blacksmith is ridiculous enough in itself--in real life back then, her father would have said, "Too bad! You're marrying Norrington! Love isn't a factor in marriage....there are no wrong reasons for marrying Norrington!" Plus all the other fantastical stuff, and the whole Tea Company evil takeover--like that would ever happen! So I don't worry about accuracy in this movie, it's not supposed to be accuarate, and little of it is...just like I don't worry about accuaracy in Ever After, etc--they're just supposed to be adventure and fun, in nice costumes.

HA! true that

ahhh...very nice theory there...and yes, it makes sense as well...ahhh...interesting...even I thought that Tia DAlma'a little riddle has something to do with jack being in love...but I am still a bit against for Elizabeth/Jack...

oooh new thread....wasn't here a long time...
trying to catch up...summary, pretty please
kidding

Jesus how much do you wanna write! However, I think its a good thoery, its certainly plausable and I agree that Jack is vexed, and woman vex all men....



Its a SHINY new thread.

Wacth your commentry, the compass NEVER points to Jack, Elizabeth only thinks that it does. It was infact pointing to the chest the entire time. That is sceen espically on the island where the chest is. Jack is to Elizabeth's right, and is almost lined up with him, the compass points more behind her, where the chest is. I noticed that and thought it was a movie mistake, thinking that the compass was suppose to point to Jack, but nope, it was pointing toward the chest.
That makes the J/E agruement unravel, I think.
It's true, Elizabeth is a pirate, she's tricking, smart, thinks well on her feet, fast, and can kick your @ss. But Elizabeth doesn't love Jack, she's pelnty guilty about killing him, but she doesn't love him.

Well, the compass was pointing at the chest when Jack looked after it Lizzie gave up, because he wanted the chest more as it was so close.

And I can't see how when Lizzie looked at it[the compass] on the ship the chest could change the direction it was, it would still be in the direction it was before it changed, even though the ship had moved since she first looked at it.

And, on the island where the chest is, the compass pointed to much to the right to be pointing at the chest which she was standing on.

And you can only listen to a commentry.

(I love this discussion! , its just like I thought it would be)

well, well, well...we have some deep debate here...
ok, first of all I agree with amyrat151 on the whole compas thing; the compass never points to jack...it points to the chest; as well know was on the island is was what Jack was looking for. and yup, i stick to what I said before...Liz only lusts for jack; she does not, as such love him...


hey, we do not vex all men!...(i think...)

Not on that little island, there is no way it was pointing to Jack, it was pointing to much behind her, pause your DVD when you wacth it. I trust what the writers tell me.
One thing that I say to that J/E thing is it's true that Elizabeth wants to be free, anyone who sees the movies can tell you that. What makes you think she won't be free with Will. He has never once told her what to do or kept her from what she wants, he lets her make her own chocies. And I'm sure that he won't care if they lived on pirate ships or back at Port Royal, as long as they're together. Jack has tried to munipulate and control Elizabeth many times, Elizabeth is Jack's macth, but as a trickester, you're not suppose to have a macth, but be one up on everyone all the time. From where I stand, Elizabeth would be more free with Will than Jack.

Liz said Will taught her how to use a sword, and in the commentary the writers says something like "They've spent the last year/two years learning how to sword fight"...I wouldn't see that free.