i cant choose there both so hot there in a tie right now but i think dan is a litltle bit higher than rupert rihgt now (lol) so i am so confuse but i love the both of them (blushes than looks at her wall and see's a tom felton pic and saids omg i love tom also lol)so there is three guys that i love that are famous wait make that 15 or more lololololol no really make that 15 or more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The mainor Hermione/Ron crushings only began at the end of the 2nd book, I think...

If you ask me, the movies point more towards Ron/Hermione, while the books seem to show more Harry/Hermione...

Agreed; I didn't even consider Hermione and Ron liking each other that way until after I saw the Chamber of Secrets movie.

Well, I've NEVER seen anything between Harry and Hermione in eother books or movies. And her and Ron have a lot of hints and clues in the books. There are so many. I can't say much about the first two books since I've only read them both twice (needs to re-read entire series again) But in the 3rd and definitly the 4th book there are MAJOR Ron and Hermione clues.

well i see a hp/hg stuff in the movies and also rw/hg, i think hermione likes the both if them but can't choose lol!!!!! okay about hermione liking the both of them i got it from a friend of my she is not a fan of hp but that was her idea when she saw the all three movies with me.

Lucius - You've certainly got your point across loud and clear hehehe...possibly you're in the wrong thread then??

I only started picking up that there could be a R/H ship after I watched COS (the awkward moment between them in the Great Hall). And like I've said many a time, if I wanted to, I could easily back up a R/H ship because undeniably, there are heaps of hints and theories that point that way.

I felt more of a H/H vibe however, after I watched POA.

Books-wise, for me, I never caught on on much clues, except maybe in GoF (the whole Fleur-Ron/Krum-Hermione/Cho-Harry thingie hehe ).

So that's the "tangible" facts. But PERSONALLY, as I've been saying in my posts, when I look at their personalities and all, I just reckon Harry and Hermione would make the better couple. No doubt, so could Hermione and Ron to a certain extent, but I don't see anything developing further than a teenage infatuation, really. In terms of compatibility and maturiry, I just see Harry and Hermione as the just-right match. They complement each other.

Maybe, because there are undoubtedly more clues towards a R/H ship, that yeah, JKR would pair them up by the end of the series. But I think, ultimately, in years to come, Harry and Hermione will realize that they are the ones that are meant for each other.

This is just my opinion, anyway. I'm not ruling anything out though, just coz, who knows with JKR? She may not even pair Hermione with either one at the end of it!!

rggirl - Hahahahahahaha maybe you should change your login name to rgdrtfgirl!!

I think Hermione's going to crack one of these days. Not "crack" as in how she "cracked" in book PoA, but crack as in all of a sudden bursting into tears. Which she also did in PoA....I think she was extremely confused in PoA. Ha, everyone is at age 13 though.

I think Hermione does indeed like both Harry and Ron (as rggirl said) but she can't choose. Perhaps she'll decide in book 7.

There's also the possibility that Hermione wouldn't go with either Ron or Harry. You don't have to meet your life-mate in Hogwarts.

I'm getting the Hermione-likes-both-Ron-and-Harry vibe as well. Both of them have recieved kisses from her, after all, lol. Besides, we don't know what exactly happened when Hermione talked with Viktor at the end of GoF... She could have been breaking up with him or something, even though I don't know just how quick that can get...

ashleigh07-it was really hard to pick my name i had drgirl,tfgirl but than rggirl had a ring to it so i picked lol
hmmmmmmm aboout hermione. there might be a love triangle going on lolololololol i really dont think so but its possible.

Yeah I have to agree with NastyShort. I have this feeling that JKR might not even present a ship to us by the end of the series.

Hermione is definitely very close to both Ron and Harry, but as I've said, it's just on different levels. Yeah I do believe she feels very strongly for both too.

It's just a matter of who she'll pick. And we can come up with all the theories, argue out the hints and play guessing games, but we just never can be sure when it comes to JKR.

Hermione may not even end up with either one!! It could be someone totally unsuspecting...or as I said in the first paragraph, JKR might just decide that there's not gonna be any romance.

That's why even though I am cheering for a H/H ship, I do think that it won't happen by book7. I'm thinking more of the big picture, life after Hogwarts...that in time, Harry and Hermione will come to realize what great a match they make.

rggirl - hahaha that's why i think your name should be RG-DR-TFgirl hee hee

don't worry spanner i know what your saying and thats funny
and ashleigh07 thats a bit long but i'll probably will change it but than people won't remeber it's me so i'll just stick with rggirl(rg can stand for something else you know lol )

sorry to break anyone who's a h/hr shipper but it ain't gonna happen.....
why did ron get so upset when hermione went to the ball with krum....huh?plus harry didnt mind at all!!!
also,in the movies everyone said that ron and hermione will be together!!
and also in book 4 when rita said that harry was dating hermoione (or vise verse) hermione and harry both said that they didnt like each other...i think jk was informing it to all readers......sry yall but i must say that a r/hr shipper is most likely!

jk herself admitted that ron and hermione have a thing going on....
also in one of the books when harry was late to class he came in and sat between hermione and ron and it says that they were making grunting noises as if they didnt like it when he sat between them....
plus everyone knows that opposets attract!!!!!!

so believe what you guys want to believe in ......
but this is soooooo much likely a r/hr shipper

I still believe that Hermione does like both, cause like Krum said, Hermione couldnt stop talking about Harry. Though, attraction wise, I think it is Ron who she likes. Hermione didn't even care when Harry was after Cho, in fact she was trying to encourage Harry into talking to Cho. Though, Hermione did seem a bit annoyed with Ron when he was drooling over Fleur. So, I dunno, for Hermione, I think Ron would be better for in the long run, if he doesnt die, just cause it reminds me of Mr. and Mrs. Weasley, look how long their marriage has last.

rggirl - hehe okay okay if you say so...

Flygal101 - Fair enough mate, you're entitled to your opinion as we are to our own. Need I remind you that this *is* a H/H ship thread? hehe

JKR did say that the r'ship between Harry and Hermione are strictly platonic, and although she has had everything pre-planned, I do believe she's flexible and as time goes by things change, and if she comes up with something new, she would take it into consideration.

Bellatrix - Point taken, and I *do* agree with ya.

As I've said before, I don't deny that there are heaps of hints that point towards a R/H ship. And no doubt, there is an attraction there, from the books and the movies.

In my opinion, I reckon the attraction that Ron and Hermione have at the moment is merely a teenage crush and most likely would be just that.

In terms of a anything happening between Harry and Hermione, I don't think it'll happen by the end of the series. My theory is that it'll happen in the future, after Hogwarts. Yes, I'm looking way into the future, at the big picture.

Of course, this is just MY opinion. All you R/H shippers, I respect and agree with you guys to a certain extent, but just leave us to be in our "blissful denial" as Spanner put it...hehehe

And as I've said many a time, JKR has shown us that she loves being unpredictable, so I believe that NOTHING should be ruled out coz we just never know when it comes to her!!

As Spanner said, it's irrelevant who's right and wrong ultimately coz all these guessing games and theorizing is all good fun!! That's what this forum is all about!!

Harry and Hermione

If anyone is going to be together I think it is these two.

I can imagine the wedding

Bill and Fleur would already be married and have children (girls with silvery hair!) they can be the bridesmaids.

The Dursleys would be in their best clothes trying to intimidate the other guests. (they only came because they are taking the credit for being the foster parents of the person who defeated Voldemort)

Ron can be the best man.

Fred and George can be in charge of entertainment.

Charlie and Hagrid can have a Dragon display at the reception.

Percy and Fudge can be sitting in their offices sweetly ignoring it.

Voldemort would be pushing up daisies.

I would love to be at that wedding

Ooooh, I just thought of something . kreacher the house elf mentioned a few pages back that Harry and Hermione have only really fought in the 3rd book. Well, most people notice how upset that Hermione is over the whole Ron thing, but what they don't notice, and what I think is more important and significant, is the fact that she is even more upset at the fact that Harry takes Ron's side over hers.
Oh, and I was the guest on page 11. I got signed off somehow, and I wasn't really paying attention, so I didn't notice it til I posted that.

Oooh, and I thought of something else. LOL, anyway. Ashleigh you keep saying that nothin will happen with H/Hr til after the books, but I think it will happen in the 7th book. I think that in the 7th book, Harry will finally realize just how much she means to him. I also kinda agree with you ash, cuz I think the 7th book will have an epilouge that'll explain what happens to everyone, so the big ship stuff might not be explained til then.

Happy Harry Potter's Birthday!!!, okay me and my friend are turning this into a holiday, cause our little Harry turns 24 today, that is if he lives by the end of the 7th book. I dunno if JK would put an epilouge set some time after the 7th book, though that would be really cool if she did. Yeah, SexyHotCookie, I did notice how Hermione did get mad when Harry would take Ron's side, though I think it was cause she would feel left out, I guess. And, I think whoever Harry ends up with in the 7th book, he will probably end up marrying just like his parents did. If that's Hermione, Luna, or Ginny (*I hope* I know i'm in the wrong thread) that's up to JK I guess.

Harry and Hermione will always be together in my mind!

They just suit each other so well! If they don't get together then my name isn't kreacher_the_house_elf !

ron n hermiont contry 2 d books bur i stL dnt lose hpe about h/hm b-ng 2gder!

SexyHotCookie -
Good observation there, mate!! Yeah I *do* think that that is something that most people tend to overlook. R/H shippers always say that one of the hints is that Hermione gets really upset when she and Ron fight, but as you have pointed out, she got upset too when Harry took Ron's side. Yes I do say that I think that Harry and Hermione would only get together after the series, but that doesn't mean it's impossible for it to happen by book7. Of course it'd be fantastic if that happened, BUT I somehow think it most likely that it'll only happen after. I've this feeling that JKR won't even establish any r'ship by book7. That's why I'm thinking more of the big picture. But hey, if JKR decides to put an end to our guessing games by the end of the series, then all the better, I say!!

Kreacher - Wow you have a vivid imagination!! I like your little wedding scenario!!

You people are insane! If Ron and Hermione don't already love eachother, then I'm a friggin' monkey's uncle. It's all throughout book 4, and 5. Anytime Krum and Hermione would make any sort of contact, Ron would get mad. Anytime Ron spoke of or even looked at another girl, Hermione would get mad. Take a hint! Harry's way too cool to have a girlfriend.

You're entitled to infer what you like from the books, Elda. Yes, we are quite insane so it's probably better to just leave us be.

I agree with Ashleigh any major ship between Harry and Hermione will most likely be post-Hogwarts; or as SexyHotCookie says, maybe the 7th book. Put it this way, as soon as they fully realise how much they have grown and matured, it ought to happen rather naturally.

Yes, like Spanner said, you *are* entitled to your own opinion, as we are to ours. That's what this forum is all about. I don't think it's very nice to tell us to "take a hint" and things like that; at the end of the day it's JKR who writes the books thus it is her who makes the decisions, and all we can do in the meantime, is discuss our theories and share our opinions. If you think we're insane, then as Spanner said, leave us to it and go to the Ron/Hermione thread. This is, after all a Harry/Hermione thread so obviously it'll consist mainly of people like us who are for a H/H ship.

Sorry Elda, if I seem like I'm picking on you, I'm just calling it as it is. I guess I'm a little fed up of R/H shippers coming into this thread and bagging us for what we feel, when we are only stating our views on a thread that is supportive of it. I can't speak for others, but *I* don't go to the R/H thread and tell everyone there that it's silly to think of a R/H ship when it's gonna be a H/H one.

It can get annoying when people just come in and just give a blanket "you're wrong".

I'd be quite happy if a R/H shipper was to come in and read our arguments and rebut them, that makes for an interesting conversation. But at least read what we have to say and counter or agree with each on its own merits but to come in and give a general statement along the lines of "H/H sux, R/H forever" really doesn't contribute to the conversation at all.

Too right, Spanner, too right.

Yeah, I am not against people coming into the thread and having a differing opinion from mine. As you said, it makes for more interesting discussion.

I just don't think it's cool to just come in and say "You're wrong, I'm right" or "It's so obvious it's not ___, how could you think that way??"...stuff along those lines.

As I've said a thousand times, this is a forum. It's a place where all of us have the right to voice our own opinions, share our thoughts, and discuss our theories. That's all we *can* do because unless it has already been spelled out by JKR we can only speculate and guess.

We all are passionate about at least one thing HP which is fine. I'm pro-POA (the movie) and although sometimes, admittedly, it can get frustrating when people say they hated the movie and stuff like that, that's THEIR opinion, and that's fair enough.

It's perfectly fine because we are all different people so obviously we'll have differing tastes and views. That's the beauty of this forum. For me, it's been incredibly interesting reading other people's thoughts because it has helped me see things from a different perspective and sometimes, gain new insights that I may not have known.

JKR writes the books so till she decides when to reveal to us something like who Hermione will end up with, we are *all* clueless, really. So let's just keep it good clean fun and discuss our views not force them on to other people...and let's not try to correct others either.

Spanner, Ashleigh, I totally agree!

*stamps foot and pouts* Because this thread is WAAAAAY funner! Lol, but it is.

I love how you guys think. I'm pretty sure both Harry and Hermione would be touched if they knew how passionate you are about making them have a romantic life. >.<

If I could put a question to all the regulars who post here:

At what point did you start believing in a H/H ship? Was there a single moment in one of the books which made you think, "Aha! These two were made for one another!"?

NastyShort - Thanks!! I think. Sometimes it *does* amaze me how passionate I am about a world that is completely fictitious...

Spanner - There was never really a defining moment for me. I've always thought that yeah Hermione and Ron could very well be attracted to each other and all that, but I saw her and Harry as the more compatible match.

I don't know when I first felt that they would be together - just a reaction I suppose to the way that romance between the characters was factored in in GoF.

BTW... the whole R/H thing I've read the thread and I was wondering if you actually took the time to read the H/H thread before you started to ahhh well 'criticise' us???

I'm not really mean.. Just presenting my opinion..

I seriously don't think this ship is going to happen. Perhaps Hermione likes Harry, but Harry hasn't showed any interest in her. The only feelings he has towards her are friendly ones. I'm sick of people using stupid quotes from the books like "Harry saved Hermione so that means he loves her" and "Harry thought Hermione was dead and he was so sad, he loves her." Because it isn't true. If your friend looked like she was dead after being thrown into an object, heck, i'd be scared. Because their my FRIEND, not because I love them. And if your friend was in danger of being killed, would you not sacrifice yourself? Would you not put yourself before them? Many people would, if they were a true friend.

I believe that Hermione is attached to Harry closer then she is to Ron, but I think a H/Hr relationship would be a very boring one. Ron and Hermione together would make the books more..well..funny. Hermione and Harry would be too boring, I guess.

I am a R/hr shipper, but I am trying to look on a H/Hr point of view, but it's not exactly easy seeing as i'm a very stubborn person.

I'm a H/Hr shipper all the way. Even when JKR will shoot it down, I still wil believe they would have been made for each other.

I believe I remember seeing from some where that JKR said that Harry might not have the time for a bf/gf relationship, but he will have time for a kiss. Who will be receiving or planting the kiss? My guess is Hermione! I know a lot of people think this a hopeless case, but JKR can pull rabbits out of hats when she's writing. There is nothing impossible in her stories. For all we know Hermione will end up with Neville-AHHHHHHHHHH! She could also turn the 'blossoming' R/HR romance into a sisterly-brotherly thing! There are a lot of subtle/hidden hints going towards H/Hr. Then there is the obvious/blunt clues going towards R/Hr. Hopefully whoever ends up with whoever won't break up the trio. Thanks for reading! Sorry if I offended anyone in the process.

Yeah I understand completly about all the rubbish that is put on about Harry saving Hermione etc. We'd all save our friends. Wouldn't we??

I still think it'll happen

Exactly...hence the saying "that's what friends are for" eh?!

Well... I always agree with all of you Spanner, Ashleigh, kreacher_the_house_elf and RadcliffeGirl... I agree with Society_is_Dumb as well about those hints which are not really hints...
I know I have already said that, but I've never believed that things such as the kiss on the cheek or Harry saving Hermione's life would be hints: actually, there are different clues in which many H/H shipper believe that are not those which convinced me about this ship! I think the clues are less evident compared to R/H's. But important as well. That lead me this Spanner's question (great, mate! ):

You make a good point. In fact, we're probably arguing the same thing from opposite sides: You're saying Ron and Hermione will happen first and therefore you're a R/H shipper; we're saying Harry and Hermione will wind up together after everything including a R/H ship and therefore we're H/H shippers. So we're just looking at the sae thing from slightly different angles.

You're right, Ron/Hermione has more potential as a dramatic construct. In other words, it'll be more interesting than Harry and Hermione complementing each other perfectly.

Again, I'm pretty sure Harry hasn't really seen Hermione as anything other than best friend yet, with the possible exception of when he (and Ron too, to be fair) were gobsmacked by her beauty at the Yule Ball.

Finally, you're right again. None of the actors know anything more than what we do. But what Ashleigh was quoting Emma Watson about was the way she had been directed to have Hermione interact with Ron, which is something not related to what will happen in the future, it's her (and Alfonso Cuaron's) interpretation of that aspect of her character.

Very good points, HermioneGio!!

The trio are a very tight group, and Hermione is close to both boys but on two different levels. I'd say her r'ship with Ron is like that between best friends, but her r'ship with Harry seems to be a bit of a step up from best friends. They just connect on a more mature level, and as I've said before, their personalities do complement each other quite nicely.

Like Spanner said, yeah I do think that us H/H shippers and Society_Is_Dumb see the same outcome but at different angles, which is really interesting!!

My personal opinion is this. I don't deny that there is some sort of attraction between Ron and Hermione. I just think that if anything happens, it'll go as far as any teenage crush would go. And yeah like Spanner said, a R/H ship definitely has more dramatic construct and would be more interesting to read. So that's why what I reckon is if JKR decides to have a ship by the end of the series, it would be a R/H one. BUT in the end, after Hogwarts, later down the line, I do believe that Harry and Hermione will come to realize that they're meant for each other and what a great match they'd make.

So yeah, Ron and Hermione will get together, but it'll just be one of those puppy love-type romances...Harry and Hermione will get together much later in life and it'll be a more mature, long-term r'ship. That's what *I* reckon, anyway. But at the moment, R/H have some sort of attraction thing going on while H/H just see each other as the best of friends, nothing more.

Thanks heaps Spanner, for clarifying that for me. I know I can always trust you to know where I'm coming from!! Yes, Society_Is_Dumb, when I mentioned what Emma Watson said in an interview, I didn't mean to say that she knew what was going on, I was trying to infer that what she thinks is how I think too. It makes perfect sense, coz Ron and Hermione do fight a lot and they do get along pretty alright too...so it is like a love-hate r'ship at this point. Do you get what I mean?

If you've read my previous posts, you'll see that I think just like you do, and have been reminding people too...that at the moment, we are all clueless as JKR has not spelled anything out to us. Yes, JKR is the one that writes the books and therefore she is the only one that knows. And till she decides to reveal it to us, all we can do for now is speculate. And that's what this forum is all about!!

With Ron and Hermione it is more teenage "lust" whereas with Harry he is a little more reserved and I think it would be fair to say that Harry knows Hermione better as a friend and that can be very beneficial to a relationship.

Well, ppl seem to like points in this thread, though all I have are theories, which is what I thought this whole site was about. Its no fun posting in the R/Hr threads, everyone just states what most R/Hr shipper knows I guess. lol, maybe H/Hr shippers should go argue with us, jk. Well, I still say whoever Harry ends up with in the 7th book, he is going to end up marrying, just like his parents. I think JK will give us some closure on Harry, and just making the reader asume isnt that much fun right? Again, maybe JK will shut us all up by killing Harry or Ron and making Hermione end up with Krum, lol, or maybe just kill off Hermione that way no one would have her, but I dont think JK would do that.

When we say "points", it goes without saying all we are talking about is theories.