I've been thinking long...anyone knows who might die first? Haary or Voldemort?

You would think Voldemort would die first, and that's what I think, but that's not necessarily what's going to happen.

Tom, then Harry will die in sacrafice, or the overwhelming power.

I hope that Voldemort dies first!

I don't think Harry will survive...just a vibe I am getting really.

That's the same vibe I'm getting Harriet. You're not alone there....

I'm pretty sure Voldemort will die first. Or they could die at the same time.

Yeah...you know, I really don't like Harry all that much...he annoys me. I wish it were Ron Weasley and the Half Blood Prince...Anyway, I wouldn't be at all surprised if both Voldemort and Harry were wiped out together.

After reading extensively and making theories, I've decided that either Ron or Harry will die... if Ron dies, Harry will triumph over the Dark Lord... See the "Ron's Death" topics and articles for more reasoning to this.

I want Voldemort to die first, but I really got confused with that "neither can live while the other survives" part.

Just because it says that doesn't mean both can't die. Just that while one is living the other can't live. It never says that both can't die and if it does i'd like for someone to show me. I want proof if you're gonna say that. I really do think Harry will die, but I don't at the same time. Mostly because I love him so much. And I can't believe that anyone who reads these books could dislike him. He's a great character. Given that I do LOVE Ron a lot a lot a lot. But still Harry is just, I don't know, he's Harry, and you gotta love him. I mean, he's the hero. Come on.

Well, personally I think that they both will die. In the 7th book, there will be this big battle between Harry and Voldemort and Harry will kill Voldemort, but somehow Harry will die. But, somehow, Harry will come back from the dead and get on with his life. I know that JK wouldn't kill Harry and that's it, it's over, end of story. That would be just wrong to do. It's weird: Daniel Radcliffe (He's SO hot!), who plays Harry in the movies, thinks that Harry will die in the end. It's weird how even the person who plays Harry in the movies actually thinks that his character will die in the end. Interesting, huh?

I hope Voldemort will die first...and last (as in Harry won't die at all...)
Looney(who cried a river at the end of OOtP)

Well I thought at the end of the book 5 that JK was giving Harry a kind of Achilles imortality. Where only Voldemort could kill him. But now it turns out that I had it the wrong way.

So here it is

Harry kills Voldemort


and then gets set upon by a million death eaters and killed

Just a thought................

I think Harry smoked Tom, then a leftover power kills him.

I've been pondering this question in my head for quite some time now, and I honestly think that it's Harry whose going to die...Harry'll die and somehow Neville will tie into it...the Prophecy and all.
Maybe Neville'll kill Voldie out of rage for Harry's death and then some huge thing'll happen...like maybe Neville has had a secret power "thingy" that no one-not even Neville himself knew about until right at that moment at the end of book 7 when Neville tries killing Voldie...Ha-ha...ya right.

Although I certainly don't want it to happen, there are some major clues that Harry will indeed be the one to kick the proverbial bucket. In the first book when he's in the Forbidden Forest and sees Voldemort/Quirrel drinking the unicorn blood the centaurs certainly seem to think that Harry is destined to die at the hands of Lord Voldemort.

That would be exceedingly odd of JK Rowling though, to begin a series of books with the full intent, from the beginning, ofkilling off the hero at the end.

This subject scares me!

Voldemort is supposed to be all-powerful. Terrible, but great, as Mr. Ollivander said.

But wait!

Can the prophecy apply to the SAME result later on in life?!

Lol... I can see another scar on Harry's... elbow or something... lmao xD

There are quite a few books and stories where the hero dies in the end. In Helen of Troy, the brother and that guy(err forgot his name)end up dying. I think of the brother being more of the main hero. I hated that movie all because Paris kills that strong guy..ahahah what a fruity name, Paris..

Another example is Gladiator. The villian and hero die. Umm Lord of the Rings, King Theoden dies. There were many heros in the book. Boromir also dies. I know he wasn't too "hero-like" at first but what he did in the end was something of a hero. In Van Helsing that lady dies(I didn't like the movie too much). K, that's enough examples now...hehe

well since it's the end of the series that either one (or both) will die, something good happens (considering what you define good). voldmort is bound to die, or become soul-less being exposed to dementors. BUT harry might die, or live. OR ron (or some other person, but i'm putting my money on ron) will die also, or just ron (or that person if you rather).

but i have no evidence of this. just something i hypothesize. but voldemort will die.

Yeah I agree with you on the whole the Hero has to die thing.

But, lets face it. These books started out as a childrens series. They may've grown up a bit but not that much.

When I was reading it to my niece that Sirius had died (she's nearly six but is already as obsessive with it as I am!) she was in floods! I had to walk up the street and buy her an ice cream and some little lolly thingys. I mean if Harry dies do you know how many lollies i'd have to buy? And if the books are longer (as they undoubtably are!) i'll suffer from vocal chord breakdown!!

No Harry can't die. But she told me Voldemort will have to.

If not then JK Rowling has to answer to her!

I think the main thing we have to focus on is one little part in the prophecy. That is where the answer lies. The part I am talking about is this: "And either must die at the hand of the other, for neither can live while the other survives..." I've been thinking about it(especially the second part)and to me it sounds like both might die. They can only be alive if they are well both alive. If one dies, the other dies as well. Also the first part says the only way they can die is if one kills the other. As in lets say Voldemort kills Harry, well than Harry would have to live forever because the prophecy says that only Voldemort can kill Harry. I am going to guess Harry will end up defeating Voldemort. But then Harry will die as well because of the connection they have. They will both die at each other's hand(err well kinda). Now the part "for neither can live while the other survives.." I think it means really that they can't survive without the other.

I really don't want Harry to die and am hoping I got that part of the prophecy all wrong. I wouldn't be able to get over the fact he dies. Whenever I read the book over again I'd probably cry again even though I already knew what would happen. Each time I read Order of the Phoenix, that's what happens! That is just a little guess of mine...

Ok, I was just thinking about how JK Rowling said that the prophecy was worded very carefully and then I took another look at the prophecy... I didn't get much more out of it than I did before but anywya, here's my point...

"And either must die at the hand of the other, for neither can live while the other survives..."

I really don't want Harry to die, so this may just be a desperateattempt to avoid that issue, but anyway...The part where it says stuff about the "other" well, perhaps that's not really Harry or Voldemort but Neville who was the "other" possible child? I don't, I just don't want Harry to die, lol, ahahahaha I'm going insane!!

So the 'other' is a third party? Wow...that's a pretty good observation, now you come to mention it, Luparius!!! You're right, it could indicate a third person...the HBP, maybe? Which means it would have to Neville, 'cos he's the only other one the prophecy might involve.

On the other hand, 'NEITHER can live while THE OTHER survives' could mean that 'the other' would have to be killed or NEITHER Harry nor Voldemort would survive? Neville showed a bit of a temper when provoked in OoTP - do you think he'd ever turn to the dark side if he thought that it might enable him to get revenge for his parents?

Yeah, exactly. Or "either" could include Harry and Neville and one must die at the hand of the "other" who could be Voldemort, for "neither" Harry and Neville could live while the "other" survived... SO VT would kill Neville then out of revenge Harry would kill VT? Cause I don't think Nev will turn EVIL!!

The Prophecy changes the way Harry looks at everything.

Hermione and Ron know nothing about it.

Maybe Hermione possesing all the logic that she showed in the SS is able to piece it together?

'Neither can live while the other survives'

So Harry/Voldemort can't live whilst Harry/Voldemort/Neville survives.

'Either must die at the hand of the other'

Neville is the other.

Neville has to sacrifice Harry or vice versa for Voldemort to die.

Or if Neville kills Harry then Neville can kill Voldemort because Neville is still fulfilling the prophecy isn't he?

Maybe i'll wait for the book to come out so I don't get confused. (as much)

But if there was a third party, how come Neville's name wasn't on the prophecy? I'm sure someone would of been able to be smart enough(-cough-Dumbledore-cough-)to realize that there was a third party.

Also "For neither can live while the other survives..." Well than that means Voldemort and Harry can't live while Neville is alive, but aren't they alive? Unless it means if Neville survives through something then they die...

Because 'it became clear to the keeper of the prophecies after Voldemorts attack on Harry that Harry was the one' something like that.

I have a better idea.

Maybe when Voldemort marked harry as his equal he was really getting Harry out of the way so it could be Neville but now because Voldemort can't kill Harry and Voldemort hasn't heard the Prophecy he is really really confused (like me). And doesn't know what to do.

Neville is the equal Harry is just in the way.

Although she should have named the series. Neville Longbottom and the Chamber of Secrets.

Perhaps...........

What is with all the Neville stuff? He can't be the HBP because to be half blood would mean that Voldy just picked Harry out of chance. What, did he do eeny-meeny-miny-mo?? I doubt it.

Yes, I have no doubt that Neville is important to the series. More important than we would have thought in earlier books anyway. But not the HBP. And not the one the prophesy is about. Dumbledore said it him self.

He could be there in the end though. He could HELP Harry out, but he won't do the killing. He won't turn evil either. Come on, look at what the Death Eaters did to his parents.If anything he will fight/kill Bella.

He won't be like the hero of the books though. JK wouldn't do that to Harry.

We weren't talking about Neville as the HBP!! We were talking about the prophecy!! We have a completely different thread for that one!!!

Wow, you guys are looking very deep into this... maybe the phrase, "Neither can live while the other survives" really does mean that neither can survive without the other! I never thought of that before. Which means that Harry must die, as I thought he would. Oh...

Well it wouldn't be that straightforward like awww well Harry you have to kill Voldemort or he will kill you now you can go back to class. It is more intense or involving.

Maybe DD wasn't telling the truth that day in his office about the prophecy or maybe only half truths???

Wow, you guys have some really interesting theories going on! I love the Neville one, that one seems to click in really well. I'm sure Neville will tie in with the whole Prophecy thing...and maybe he is the "other" in it...that's a great point.

Oh yeah, I think that Voldy and Harry will both die...and Neville'll have something to do with that for sure, or at least...I think.

I've just begun to strongly believe that Harry won't die, because of the line before "neither can live while the other survives..." which says "EITHER must die at the hand of the other..." which suggests to me that only one will die. It still works with the Neville being the third party theory too. He must kill Voldy or Harry, and unless ev turns evil...unlikely, then he would kill Voldy....either way


Now I'll stop posting this theory...XD

i think that both harry and vold will die maybe because of an accident like neivelle trying to help. i really dunno... wait for jk to tell us.

I hope to anyone Harry doesn't die. Hey does anyone know JKR's daughter? She'd know I'd bet!

Yeah, let's just give her a ring on the phone....

Yeah. Hello Jessica. How are you today? Do you know who dies? Oh really? Well thanks for that I will just go now. Bye.

Unlikely I just hope that Harry doesn't die!

lol

Actually, I don't think I would want to just be told, you know? Its all the little details of JK's writing that make me like the books so much. (aside from the awesome plot, cool characters, amazing dialogue...ok everything is great)

But that wouldn't mean that if given the chance, I wouldn't pelt her with questions! (not too hard anyway...)

Well I mean we are looking at a perhaps 2006 release date for HBP so I will go to any lengths to find out. Has anyone been to jkrowlings site lately

Today I just realized that something JKR said pointed towards Harry's death.

She said that after the 7th book, there would be no need for an 8th book telling about Harry's adult life, but what if this is because Harry won't have an adult life?


Please post your thoughts

i dont have any evidence, i know, but i dont think that harry will die


--and isnt their already a death topic somewhere??

demor dies anyway. if harry dies with him or not, thats uncertain. If your looking at the King arthur books, he will die. the king arthur books look like HP.

I t hink that harry will die because in book 4 "The Gonblet of fire". Dumbledore salutes Harry the same way he saluted Cedric at the end of the book. He says something along the lines of please rise in Honour of Cedric and drink to him, and then he does the same thing for Harry.

well i think that harry wont die but it is a possibility. i think that if he doesnt die then we will know about it like JKR said we would but if he does die i think we will figure it out if JK doesnt say anything about it before it comes out. does that make sense?

If Harry lived everyone would wonder if he ever became an Auror, if he ever had kids, who he married (if he marreid). JK would be getting thousands of fan mail letters a day asking those things. So, Harry pretty much has to die. Sorry.

i was just thinking that Weasley Is My King x3! i was gonna say that he would probably have to die(i want Ron to be the hero for a change).

I think Harry will go down fighting Voldemort, and they will both end up dying. Harry will still end up a hero for risking (and taking, though not by choice) his own life to defeat the Darkest Wizard of all time, and causing himself to die along side him. Maybe Ron will play some part in there, I personally hope he does, he needs glory. But, Harry will die, Dumbledore will die, Voldemort will die. There's our three main characters JKR said would die by the end of the series. I'm not sure when she said it, but I know she did. Maybe I can find a few quotes or something.

[FONT=Geneva][COLOR=blue] well it a possibility that harry can die if not harry then voldemort cuz the prophect states that one of them will die either harry or voldemort it will be a disappointment i will luv fro voldy to die but i dont want dumbledore to die either i hope he stays and helps harry deafeat voldy

I doubt J.K. would actually state, straight forward, what was to happen in the future. That would just take away the suspense.

But the comment made by 'Weasley Is My King' earlier makes a lot of sense, but then, wouldn't she have to kill all the characters? Because I know I certainly would be curious about Hermione or Ron's future.

JK said that *cries* Sirius won't be the only one to go... and that there would be a few more. I've tried, and for the life of me, I can't remember where I saw that interview...

I think her main concern is having to tell Harry's future. I mean, yeah, I would be curious about Ron and Hermione's, but not like Harry's.