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Ok so we all defintely hated Proffesor umbridge for how completly cruel she was to Harry and all our other favourite students! I take latin and we also all knwo that JK rowling is interested in latin and a lot of her spells and names are derived from latin words, as in Lupin which comes from lupus meaning wolf, umbra means ghost in latin do you all think that has anyhting to do with profesor umbridges real identity? Could be why hse hates all half-breeds, she herself could be a witch! Tell me what you think!

WOAH! now im confused. what do you mean by being a witch? she already is a witch! so why would she hate half breeds if her name means ghost? anyway its a good thought.

I'm confused on what you said too... did you mean you think she's really a ghost or a witch? But I never knew that umbra means ghost... Maybe that means she died or is going to died... I don't know but can you be more clearer in your explanation?

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yes please do amke a clearer explaination! i seriously dont understand so can you help us to understand what you mean? if you can explain it better then ill definitley be able to confirm it is good or bad. i think it will be good tho !

What?? You mean she isnt a witch or something? i mean she is a witch obviously...dont know - just clear it...and her name meaning ghost...i guess it just shows how ugly she is...or maybe she was a frog princess...no a frog pauper! (i am jumpy again ) Or probably she's a frog spirit ( ) I BET BET BET her her animagus form and patronus is a FROG! i bet you anything about that!:D


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ok everyone is confused as am i about the witch gost thing, but i just wanted to that umbridge (the whole word) means like offence or anger or something like that as in like 'i thake umbridge to that' so i thought i would just clear that up.

I think you meant 'hag'..

You know! the crazy old witch that do crazy cruel things..

But it's just weird though, why would she only be kind and 'lovely' to the slytherins? And she doesn't care of the others....

I think theres a cnonection to something...

What do you think?

I've done some work on good old MerriamWebster.com and found some ideas on words similar to "Umbridge." emmah123 is right, "umbra" means "a shaded area" or "the central dark part of a sunspot." liberty is also right that "umbrage" has another meaning (although the word is not spelled exactly the same was as Professor Umbridge's name). "Umbrage" means "a feeling of pique or resentment at some often fancied slight or insult."

I always figured that Umbridge's name came from the definition of "umbrage"... I thought the name probably showed that she was resentful of Harry or something, since he was spreading "rumors" about Voldemort's return..

On the other hand, the definition of "umbra" also fits Umbridge's character. She is literally hidden in a shadow the first time we meet her at Harry's Ministry hearing, and I also feel that she is hidden in the figurative "shadow" of Cornelius Fudge, since he's higher up in the Ministry than she.

So in other words, I think you're all right! The only thing I don't understand is the thing about half-breeds in emmah123's post... and like everyone else already said, I feel pretty confident that she is a witch.

I think that Umbrige has always ben evil, she never teach DADA properly because she probebley did want them to know how do defend them selfs.

Hmm... I don't see how other people can argue with you about this. From the first day I've been here until today, I've never seen anyone tried to defend her (poor toad... I mean, poor her!! ) . Unlike some other characters we know who have been mean to Harry, like Snape or even Draco.

But, okay. I'll let it open seeing there's no specific thread on her evilness.

I do not believe anyone is always good or evil.
A person's actions are what is good or evil.
The delusion is justification. The perception of what is the right thing to do, and what is the wrong action to take.

Dolores most likely believed it was the right thing to send Dementors to Harry during the summer because the Ministry felt uncomfortable about the whispers of Voledmort's return. Umbridge thought that it was wrong of Harry to risk the stability of Wizard society.
Madame Umbridge thought it was right for her own capabailities to slowly seize Hogwarts school.
Her actions are evil because they harmed the well-being of students that experienced her detention (its probable she punished more than Harry and Lee Jordan with the quill), and floundered a thousand students education of practical defensive magic. Not to mention humiliating Professor Trelawney, stunning McGonagall, trying arrest Hagrid, and almost cursing Harry illegally.

I completely agree to that that Tuitus, people aren't good or evil it's there actions which are either perceived as ‘Good’ or ‘Evil.’ And this will depend wholly on the persons individual views, within the context of what they believe Societies views are at the same time.

In the case of Umbridge, though on the level of ‘evilness’ of her actions, I don't think she was far off Volde and his minions. Umbridge believes herself as a 'pureblood' Which. to be superior to what see deems as less superior beings (such as Centaurs and Mer-people) and 'half breeds' (werewolves and Half-giants)
this is bigotry (which I personally believe is one of the very few constants in the world of actions which can always be deemed ‘evil’) no mater what was Umbridge tries to justify it and if her plan with the Dementors had of worked both Harry and Dudley would have suffered a fate, which many people believe is worse than death. And not only did she do this in her own name, but in the name of the whole wizarding Community, which she believes is the only true source of ‘legitimate’ authority in the Magical world. This to me sounds a lot like what Volde was trying to do during the 'first Wizard war,’ and what he’s doing now. In a sense I believe Umbridge and Volde are singing from the same him sheet, the only difference is that Volde now does it openly, on the other hand Umbridge sees Volde as a villain to the Magical world and so beneath her cause.

Yes yes yes YES!!! Umbridge is eeeeevil!!

LOL sorry peeps, suffice to say, she's not one of my HP characters... I mean, honestly, I've never felt THIS strongly about a fictitional character I was literally seething at what she did to Harry, the ugly old cow!!

*ahem* Now that I've gotten THAT out of the way...on a more serious note, I really think Umbridge is just a misguided, power-hungry and backbone-less person. She's also very close-minded. To her, she's been working under the Ministry and so that is the ONLY thing she answers to, listens to and takes orders from. She doesn't think to think things independantly, whatever the Ministry says goes.

She also strikes me as the kind who is only looking out for herself and will do anything to get to the top. So even though, if maybe just MAYBE she could have had a guilty conscience in there somewhere (which I HIGHLY doubt ) she would have shunted it because doing all the Ministry orders, campaigning in what they believe in and want done, will very likely get her to higher places.

Another thing about her, which I utterly despise, is her negative feelings towards what she calls "half breeds". JKR has said that she tries to parallel what she writes with real life and I link this very closely to the inequality minorities in society today receive. I feel very strongly about racism and Umbridge is to a certain degree, a racist IMHO. I could just picture her having tea at the Malfoys, they'd make great mates I'll bet, seeing as they're all up themselves thinking they're better than everyone else just because they're "pureblood".

And that's me two-cents worth on the matter... I hate Umbridge and I hope she suffers a most painful death grrrr

of course she is evil...
and evn if she's not why else why she ban Fred,George and Harry in Quidditch while she dosn't band Goyle ( is it goyle or Crabbe )

She dose have SERIOUS problems but evil i dont know i mean take voldermort HE is evil umbridge dose come close but saying she is evil i say no she is just misunderstood

If you look through Dumbledore's point-of-view, neither Voldemort nor Madam Umbridge are "evil".
They have taken easier choices to fulfill their own goals to the expense of other people's well being (for Voldemort is own humility).

An existentialist might say that Umbridge is a very well-defined, admirable person. She has a set of core values which she certainly does defend (if you call siccing dementors on a kid 'defending'... ), and nothing that anybody does is going to change her behavior. Since existentialism does not evaluate the moral correctness of one's values, but only one's consistency of action, I guess Umbridge is a pretty good person in that light.

I, however, am not an existentialist, and I think Umbridge is pretty black-and-white as a character. Although the Harry Potter books are wonderfully complex in terms of plot, foreshadowing, details, and allusions, every once in a while you run across a character who is not so complex. There's Dudley (J.K. Rowling has said it herself -- there is NOTHING more to him than that which meets the eye!) and then there's Umbridge.

Maybe there is an argument that nobody is inherently evil, but I think that our dear Defense Against the Dark Arts professor comes pretty darn close! I hate her, and no in-depth character analysis is going to make me think otherwise!

Are you kidding? She is the worst person in all 5 books

i think she is a hideously awful person that i would never want to come across in all of my years wandering aimlessly on this earth! she is a terrible person with an empty black spot where a heart should be! lol

It was not the choice of sides which made Umbridge evil. It is her cruelity, and, moreover, her pleasure in watching, even making, people suffer. Believeing she is better than mudbloods or half-breeds does not make her evil. Nor does believing she was right to try to silence Dumbledore and Harry.

It was in the way she went about it. She broke the laws she was sworn to uphold. First she set Dementors on Harry without authorization. She then used cruel and unusual punishment on the students in her care. She attempted to use Veritaserum unlawfully on Harry on two occassions. She allowed certain Quidditch teams to reform, but not the team Harry was on, simply to be cruel. She gave Harry bad marks in her class, when we all know he is the best in the year at DADA. She threatened (and was going to) use an unforgivable curse on a student.

Fudge held the same goals as Umbridge, and while he was willing to push the limits of the law (or, rather, adhere to them strictly) he never broke them, nor did he do anything "evil" other than changing the time of Harry's trial hoping to make him miss it so he could find him guilty.

It is that difference which makes Fudge "good" but misguided, and Umbridge misguided and "evil."

I do not believe she was a Death Eater, but I think she would join now, if Voldemort gave her an opportunity for vengeance against Harry and Dumbledore. If he does not seek her out, I think she might seek him.

On my list of those most likely to become Death Eaters, she's Recruit #1

(I bet if an indepth character analysis of Umbridge pointed toward her NOT being evil, I could convince you, Anthony . . . hehe)

Need we even ask this question? Hehe, Dolores Umbridge is the most wicked vermin around!

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Oh, how I loathe Umbridge...I loathe her with every fiber of my being...

Beyond any doubt in my mind, she was an evil twit with the IQ of a small rodent. I despised her, and she was not just a lost soul. That woman was down-right EVIL.

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I don't know if this is posted anywhere else, but was anyone else disappointed that Umbridge got off so easy? I mean she attempted Murder on Harry, used the uforgiveable curse, and not to mention othe rnast tricks.

Don't you think she should have been tried and sent to Azkaban or something, or held more accountable rather than just walk off the school just like that?

I'm waiting to see what becomes of her in book six, I hope some justice comes to her. What do you think should happen to her??

I believe something will happen. I also believe it is part oof the reason we are seeing a new MoM. lets wait and see.

When did she use an unforgivable on Harry? Did I miss that part?? I thought that she was thinking about using the Cruciatus on him, but Hermione stopped her with that emmy winning performance?

She didn't use it, she just thought about it.
I guess maybe the ones who where in her office when that happened haven't told. And if they have, I guess something will happen to her, like getting sacked from the MoM at least.

i am unsure about this topic i aint got a clue what will happen to her and to be honest i don't care i think she will get sent to azkaban

do you consider umbridge the worst DADA teacher???
well, for me.... she's really the worst!
she's rude to harry!

well she's already gone! so we better be happy now!

Umbridge can go to hell.

I am fairly sure she will get a major punishment. What she did was against the human rights. I hate her so much.

I agree with lawks_fuster! She is gone, so we should be happy!

I think Umbridge will get hers in the end but did any one else get the feeling that she may be a Death Eater, if not already then soon. Although I had an interesting theory about her becoming the MoM in HBP. But I am dissapointed that we didn't see more of a punishment for her in OotP.

ya i was disappointed too...she deserved more rough treatment after all those pranks she tried on poor harry....but lets hope in HBP she gets what she deserves......

I am happy that she's gone, actually words can't describe how happy I am that (hopefully) we'll never have to see her ugly face ever again at Hogwarts. But yeah, justice needs to be done upon her for all the nasty things she got away with doing. I think her fate now rests with whoever the new MoM will be in Half Blood Prince, that is, if they find out what went on at Hogwarts. I'd say I hope she ends up in Azkaban, but with the Dementors now on Voldemort's side, she probably wouldn't be in there very long. Haha, can you imagine her in Azkaban?!

Of course, you get happy when she's gone That's the important thing but you can also get quiet disappointed of the fact of how she got away after all bad things she done.

But yeah, hope we'll never see her again

I believe justice must be given for Umbridge's transgressions, but the MoM needs to use their full capabilities to make sure Voldemort doesn't take over.
But, if you speculate she may become a Death Eater, then shoot two birds with one stone.

Umbridge was penalised by a lifelong trauma of the Centaurs. Will there be more than that? Judge Jo Rowling will preside.

harrydan is a loser if you don't agree with the subject don't post anything anyway i think that she will get punnished but i think that she has been punished enougth. sorry if you don't agree.

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evil now can anyone be evil is evil a thing you can be or just something you do me i do not think anyone is evil they do evil things but they are not evil so therefor (spelling i am not sure on) she is not evil she just does evil things.(cow)

i don't think it is confusing yeah that is a good point i think that she is someone that died but got killed by a halfbreed that is why she hates them so much what a shame but if she was a ghost then she would look like binns.

Like I said in my other post, I just think we should be happy that Umbridge is gone.

Although, I think her worst punishment is actually the fact that her name will be hated forever in Potterdom. Just think about it - the centaurs' effect on her brain is sure to wear off. So there goes that punishment. On the other hand, her being one of the most hated characters (for the characters in the books and us reading the books) isn't going to change - while there may be even worse characters, she'll always be one of those in the hated characters list for what she has done.


Muggleview, I just have to add that your comment made me laugh.

Yeah. I never thought about it before but come to think of it, she should have had a hearing in court or something. She cut Harry's hand open like fifty times a day which was actually torture which is illegal, tried to use the Cruciatus Curse on him which is also illegal and was a total... well I can't say what she was because the Mods would kick me out but you must get the point. I'm more than disappointed.

I would put this definition to you all:

umbra -ae f. [a shade , shadow; a shady place; protection; idleness, pleasant rest; a phantom, ghost, shade, semblance; an uninvited guest; a fish, perhaps grayling]

I would go with uninvited guest. . .

All I know is that I don't like Umbridge. And she deserved tp be taken away by those Centaurs. I just hope that we don't hear from her in the next books. But we may. Who really knows?

Well then you really should have posted in one of the following threads instead to keep you more on-topic:

Is Umbridge evil?

Centaurs and Umbridge

Umbridge's Punishment

I prefer the "umbrage" definition as she seems to take umbrage to anyone who is not a slytherin, however the "dark sunspot" thingy seems to describe the effect she has on most people, like a shadow appearing suddenly on a bright sunny day , when you're sitting lazily, feeling well chilled out, then al of a sudden you shiver.....llike someone's walking over your grave (if you know what I mean....I think I'm rambling again..........

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Umbridge had to be a death eater.

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You guys think she just walked away from school. She ran away! Don't you remember?