Louise
May 6 2007, 09:17 AM
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Yates announces he'll direct HBP movie
Posted By Matthew on 05-04-07 @ 12:02 AM
Order of the Phoenix Director David Yates announced today that he'll come back to helm the sixth movie, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. "I am doing 'Half-Blood Prince,' and I'm doing it because I love the [Potter] world, I love the characters," he said. "I think I have more business with this world and these characters."
He also said: "I've made a kind of tonal shift with the fifth film, which I want to continue and develop into the sixth film. And I can see the fifth story evolving into the sixth story in a really interesting way. So I'm on a journey with this material and this world, and I'm keen to complete it."
This marks the first time since Chris Columbus that a Harry Potter director has signed on for two consecutive films in the series.
So, I guess that's settled then. It's probably a little hard to judge whether this is good or bad news because we haven't seen OotP yet, but from the clips we have seen so far, what do you think? Can David Yates cope with the emotion of HBP? Will we be able to tell from his handling of the Veil scenes in OotP whether Dumbledore's death will be done justice? Two of the biggest things in the HP series are being trusted to him - can he pull it off?
nevillesgirl
May 7 2007, 04:35 AM
Like you said Louise, we probably won't be able to give a good assessment of this until after July 13. From what I have seen in the trailers, it looks like the emotion is what he is good a bringing out in our characters. It must help that they are all quite a bit older and ready for such an important transition into the series.
I think that this is one time where the director will let Michael Gambon possibly overdo his dramatic flare...what do you think? (HBP) of course also in OOTP. I do believe that if he flops the veil scene that the critisicm from the public will be overwhelming and that he won't be able to make that mistake again in HBP for the tower.
I think that HBP has so many important parts that it will be interesting to see what his focus is on and what he down plays or edits.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Well i just read the article about him and what the cast say about him and it seems they like him the best so far! I think that if they didn't it would be hard to get a good film out of them and seen as the trailer looks pretty good i'd say that he's good! Though you could find another film done by him and see what his style is like and if he is any good!
soha88
May 7 2007, 11:48 PM
It's extremely hard to judge before actually watching the movie itself. But personally, I think the OotP trailer is the best one so far, and it clearly shows that the director has worked a LOT in bringing out the emotions out of the characters. BUT one thing i did quite dislike: He seems to have downplayed Neville and Ginny a LOT. I admit that Luna is important, but I personally think that he should have focused more on Neville, who could have been the 'Chosen One' and Ginny who's going to be Harry's love interest in HBP. He seems to have focused a lot on Cho instead, and some of the stuff is not canon: Snape smacking that book at ron, cho being the snitch, and voldemort in the suit (although i did quite like this one!
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My point is, so far i've seen him cut a LOT according to what the people who saw the screen test have shared, and i'm hoping that if he DOES direct HBP, he doesn't do the same with that. With OotP, it's understandable since it's such a long book, but over-editing HBP could prove to be a disaster. But he's the best choice so far, and since he's good with handling the emotions of characters, he can bring out the sexual tension in HBP, as well as voldemort's story, and Dumbledore's death quite well.
Can't wait till OotP and DH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soha
HighFlyer
May 8 2007, 01:56 AM
Judging from what I've seen (what we've all seen) of OoTP, I think Yates is going to be the best HP director ever! I think I'm actually going to like this movie (OoTP)!
HBP is going to be the hardest of the series to tackle as far as film goes. I was hoping they would pick someone good. The director's got to be the best otherwise everything will be ruined. I have faith in Yates though. Granted, none of us can make a solid assumption yet, but just judging from what we've seen, I think we're pretty safe.
It seems that Yates has the ability to do dark and sinister; something that's definately needed for HBP.
well if they let him come back i'm guessing the people who work on all the films aprove of his work and his style for HBP, i mean that has to stand of something! so i'm guessing if the cast and crew like working with him and feel he brings out he best in them like they said in the interviews, he is the best to take on!
Muggle_Born_Girl
Jun 19 2007, 11:20 AM
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But personally, I think the OotP trailer is the best one so far, and it clearly shows that the director has worked a LOT in bringing out the emotions out of the characters.
I agree! I was completely hooked for days and kept watching and watching the trailer over and over again! He seems to have got the atmosphere totally right... it's the most tense story yet and it shows in the trailer.
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he should have focused more on Neville, who could have been the 'Chosen One' and Ginny who's going to be Harry's love interest in HBP.
I see what you mean but, for all we know, they may be included a lot more than it seems in the trailer. The trailer will give away a lot but also cover up a lot of information too, so there might be more to their roles in the film than it first looks.
I'm really excited Yates is doing both because I bet it must have been quite disruptive for the crew and cast to work with someone new every time! Hopefully, having worked with David this time (OOP) they might find it easier to settle to work in September for HBP and their performances may be even more accomplished than ever before.
I do, however, agree with everyone that we will only be able to make an accurate reading once we have seen OOP...still, not long now!
and i'll come back when i've seen it to give my thoughts!
Pixymajik
Jul 17 2007, 11:09 PM
Now that people have seen OOTP, what do you think of this?
Personally, I'm thrilled that Yates will be directing HBP. OOTP was my favourite book, so I had huge expectations- and fears- going into the movie and I was extremely excited and thrilled with the way that it turned out. So I'm happy with the idea that Yates may be able to make something out of HBP, which I wasn't as impressed with book-wise.
I feel that Yates' direction for OOTP was brilliant- he stretched Dan, Emma and Rupert, who in the previous two I felt were a little flat and I loved the cinematography that took place within the movie. A real mix of camera view points and the combination of quick moving and still shots. I really enjoyed it.
Looking forward to HBP now!
Allie
Jul 18 2007, 12:13 AM
I'm also really pleased that Yates is going to be back for HBP. Like Pix, OotP was my favorite book, and I had enormous expectations coming in. IMO the last two books were absolutely slaughtered on the screen, and I was a little skeptical of Yates at first because the movie was short relative to the first four. Now I have high hopes that he'll be able to manage something good for HBP, which was far and away my least favorite book.
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There were two things Yates did that I particularly liked. First, I think he did a great job keeping the movie as canon as possible. Some people will doubtlessly argue with this, because of the length and the cutting of prefects and Quidditch and all that, but he included large amounts of JKR's original dialogue (I've always been shocked that more directors haven't taken advantage of the "script" that the author has handed them in the books), and what's more, he didn't take liberties with "inventing" scenes of his own. Cuts don't bother me so much, but cutting backstory of the Marauders and throwing in a werewolf chase and cutting the house-elves only to throw in a Yule Ball dancing lesson does rub me the wrong way.
Second, I think Yates had some great devices for moving the plot along. I liked it how he used all those Daily Prophet headlines and voiceovers to show what was going on in the wizarding world, rather than throw in loads of unnecessary, non-plot-related scenes for the sole purpose of explaining what was going on to the non-reader audience. I also think he did a good job with changing the way some information was revealed to Harry... we don't need most of the St. Mungo's scene to know that Bellatrix Lestrange tortured Neville's parents or a Care of Magical Creatures lesson to find out why Harry can see thestrals and Ron and Hermione can't. I thought making Cho betray the D.A. under Veritaserum was brilliant... didn't completely dishonor her character (after all, she was tricked and coerced into her confession by a more powerful witch), gave a good reason for Harry to split up with her, and completely eliminated the character of Marietta Edgecombe, whose role it would have taken significant valuable time to explain.
So in short, as long as Yates plans to keep the series moving in the direction he's pointed it, I couldn't be more happy to have him back!
ohmyHP!
Jul 18 2007, 12:29 AM
I'm glad he'll be back for HBP. OotP was an amazing book, and onscreen it was just as pleasing to watch. He kept to the book as much as possible, and didn't add a bunch of unneccesary scenes and cut important ones. Sure, things had to be changed and left out to make the movie a decent time, but the changes made did help the storyline. He did a fabulous job directing OotP and I can't wait to see what he does for HBP.
ladybear1515
Jul 18 2007, 12:45 AM
Well i'll have to see OOTP before I decide if that is good or bad. If ootp is good I'm all for the appointment
PottyHead
Jul 18 2007, 01:20 PM
I thought Dy was a great director. Sure I really dsiliked how much was cut out of OotP, but thtas more to do with the script writing side of things, it's what DY did with the script that was given to him and I think he did an excellent job. The characters, all of them, seemed much more developed than they have been in the past, and the stuff that wasn't cut was almost completley canon, and well done. I'll always have my little (well huge) dissapointments with the film, but as far as the direction goes and what DY did with what he was given I thought he was amazing!
I'm so glad he's back for HBP, I just hope, now that Steve Kloves is back, the script wont include so many cuts.
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Avveh
Jul 26 2007, 12:57 AM
I myself cannot say I'm pleased with him returning. I was greatly disapointed when I watched OotP. =/ I was so looking forward to it, too. If it's a 100% sure he's going to be directing I very well may not see HBP.
Lauren0891
Jul 26 2007, 05:41 PM
I personally am glad that David Yates is returning to direct HBP. I thought he did a much better job on OotP than Mike Newell (was that his name??) did with GoF. I admit it was a bit choppy at times but at some points it even had direct quotes from the book and was quite true to the book. The cuts did annoy me, but I don't think that that was entirely down to him.
David Yates is good, but I still think that Chris Columbus was the best director though.
rainesbobo
Jul 26 2007, 08:28 PM
I personally am not excited Yates is coming back.I saw an interview from before movie 5 had even started where he said he was going to make sure this movie was shorter then the others because they were too long and a movie should be under 2 hours!! SO imagine how upsetting it was to hear he was coming back for 6. You saw how much he cut 5 down and with 6, so much will be left out that it will be ridiculous. I will still go and see it but I am not expecting much.
Ladie Lily Potter
Jul 27 2007, 02:47 PM
I'm actually glad that he's directing HBP. I really liked OOtP. I thought he did wonderfully with that. So I'm pleased to hear that he'll be doing HBP too. I know a lot of people won't be too pleased to hear about it though.
Lzaz
Jul 29 2007, 03:01 AM
Although I think that, on the whole,
Order of the Phoenix was well done there was a lot of important information left out. I understand their need to cut away at the original text, but won't it be difficult for people who have never read the books to understand where a lot of the content is coming from if they don't know the back-story?
And I was quite disappointed in how quickly they killed Sirius. It was a little undramatic.
But high hopes for the sixth movie!
Felipe_Black
Jul 29 2007, 04:31 PM
I think he was a good director on the last film, and by having the same director again, it gives a level of consistancy. I would have prefered Sirius to have more screen time as well, but hey, you cant have everything.
jaltesorensen
Jul 29 2007, 06:32 PM
i also think david yates made a good film out of book 5, so ill be glad for him to make movie 6 as well.
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Bumblebee
Aug 1 2007, 03:22 PM
Oh, good. I loved his visualisation of Hogwarts and the little things he added that made it even more real then it had been before. That wonderful breakfast table, for instance, with that long row of (probably self-filling) toast. And the benches in some corridors, on which a student could sit. Everything made you believe that this was not just a magical place or a huge castle, but also a school in which students move and every room has function.
trtrzgunners
Aug 1 2007, 03:54 PM
He is the best director so far and he is the director that actually understand the book unlike Mike Newell who simply downplay the plot and extend unneccessary bit(eg. the dragon chasing around Hogwart). Yates probably bring the right stuff out of the book, the only problem with the 5ht film is the fact that it is abit jumpy.
Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
Aug 2 2007, 08:05 PM
All the films have to be a bit jumpy, but i think that the fifth film was sooo much smoother than the fourth. i was NOT impressed w/ the choppiness of the fourth film
i am really really pleased that David Yates is coming back. i think he really did the fifth film justice, what with the limited screening time they were allowed, and it is the LONGEST book. these movies arent ONLY about following the books 100 percent, they're also about making them into good movies, that captivates the viewer, and i really think he did it well. the sixth film should be good, he says that itz definitely a lighter one than the fifth, and he's going to focus ALOT on the romantic plot. Yay!!!
btw, it says that the director of the third movie, Alfonso Cuaron, is tempted to do the seventh. the third film was my least favorite, and least impressive, and i sincerely hope that he doesnt, b/c i would really rather not take the chance w/ him for filming such an epic book!!
Gryffindor_Alumi
Aug 3 2007, 02:39 PM
For a decade I've been a fan of HP...I would wait on the edge of my seat and kept an ear open for when Jo would announce her next book release. But when the movies where announced as well I hit the roof! The first 2 movies I felt was the best..probably because a large percent Columbus did was by the book. After POA the movies where rushed and I ached in the theater
. Yates did a decent job and I'm glad of his return, but due to the one and only fact that were keeping with the same "flavour" in HBP as we did in OotP. I'll give the HBP a go for sure...I just hope he'll take his time with this one. Espcially in DH. Believe me guys (all you directors and screenwriters etc) We
WILL sit for 3 hours to watch these films!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL Here's to Columbus in hopes that he will return for DH
trtrzgunners
Aug 3 2007, 03:10 PM
For me anything but Mike Newell. This guy totally ruin one of the best book in the series. And the fourth film is the worst yet.
David Yates did cut a lot of things, but he happen to cut much better than Mike Newell, and did not cut too mcuh to give time for unneccessary extra stuff coughdragoncoughchasecougharoundcoughthecastle
workaholic_1231
Aug 5 2007, 07:13 PM
Well seeing as I was very impressed with the Order of the Phoenix, I would love to see David Yates the director of Half Blood Prince. He had the film to where it was comical, yet still maintained that darkness of what was to come. I can only imagine how he will incorporate that into the dark deeds of Half Blood Prince.
Edenna
Aug 9 2007, 10:37 PM
I really thought that the 5th movie that yates did was the WORST of all 5 movies so far, soooo much left out, the relationship with dumbledore and harry...well there is none...
Columbus was the best in my opinion, i just WISH that somehow he does one of the last, preferably at least the 7th, he was the best, really in my opinion, all the other directors afterwards seemed to try to make the movies more exciting, or dazzling or SOMETHING just more and more as the movies went on which i can't stand. Now that the series of movies are ending, i'm hoping we have the BEST directors to get the STORY good, not just the looks of the movie, that is definently the least of my concerns after all.
utvolsfan15
Aug 12 2007, 10:38 PM
i hope he doesnt direct anymore because he ruined ootp and i wouldent want him to ruin the last and best to ones.
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Vincent
Aug 13 2007, 03:19 AM
I personally loved OOTP. People forget that the problem with the book in the first place was that it had so much useless stuff in it that it was really easy to lose interest. I mean, compare it with Deathly Hallows. OOTP is a bit longer, but just about everything in Deathly Hallows is important and works to advance the story. OOTP has an introduction that lasts half the book, and gets too repetitive. The book makes up for it by its awesome parts(Umbridge, fight at the ministry, Harry's anger, Weasley's flight), but it sets it up for an easier movie. I wouldn't want to see 30 extra minutes of them wandering in Number Twelve Grimmauld place. The only movie that went close to ruining the series in my opinion was the fourth, whose director thought it was more important to have a pointless 25 minute dragon fight than to actually expand the characters and provide explanations.(Priori Incantatem comes to mind...) So yeah, I'm happy that David Yates is returning.
I think that this movie will be much harder to capture(In my opinion, HBP was the best written), but we'll see. As long as he provides enough Dumbledore scenes as well as Snape, it should be decent.(Though if I see Gambon shake Harry and yell at him for not getting the memory from Slughorn right away, I'll be upset.)
utvolsfan15
Aug 13 2007, 02:59 PM
completely disagree. the whole book was great and he shouldnt have skipped around like he did. and in regards to DH, almost the whole time they are sitting in the tent in the middle of a forest. yea that sounds important.
Vincent
Aug 13 2007, 08:16 PM
[Mod deleted]...but as for your points, I think there were three chapters in DH
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that were in the forest (The Thief, Goblin's Revenge, and Silver Doe I think?), and even those were building up the plot as they were finding more about Dumbledore's past, Grindelwald, how to destroy horcruxes,
and the war in the outside world. In OOTP the first 200 pages or so were all about Harry holed up in the Dursleys, fighting dementors for an unknown reason, going to Grimmauld place, staying there with no idea what was going on, and going to a hearing. Looking back it seems like a good idea as it slowly built up the plot, but when you're first reading it it's easy to stop paying full attention and to get bored. It was still a great book, but the movie just took an approach to capture the necessary(and good) parts. I understand how things should have been expanded maybe(I personally think Dumbledore and Harry should have talked more at the end, and explained more), but there was nothing terribly important that was completely left out or not explained in my opinion(compared to GOF, which would just mention something once and not properly explain it). As to how this will affect HBP, I think that David Yates will skip some of the subplots, and he could merge some of the memories together. The attack on Katie Bell might be cut entirely too. However, I really think that Slughorn should get plenty of emphasis, as he is shown for most of the book to be not an evil Slytherin, but still a corrupt one, which leaves the readers to believe that all Slytherins have huge flaws and aren't naturally good people. As the story progresses, you discover how much Slughorn really did regret telling Voldemort about horcruxes and how he was haunted by it. Speaking of which, in the Deathly Hallows movie they better include
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Slughorn dueling Voldemort with Kingsley and McGonnagal
Felipe_Black
Aug 13 2007, 08:38 PM
I think its unfair to say that yates ruined OOTP, it was a good film, second only to Azkaban in my book.
alot depends on the screen play as well, I would have prefered Alfonso Cuaron back, but I prefer Yates ahead of Mike Newell anyday!!
etphonehome
Aug 13 2007, 08:48 PM
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i hope he doesnt direct anymore because he ruined ootp and i wouldent want him to ruin the last and best to ones.
I am afraid you're out of luck there, David Yates has already been signed up to direct HBP.
Personally I think he did a good job with OotP. The book was the longest and I'm sure that had finances not been an issue, he would have made a 5 hour movie and not a 2 1/2 hour one. I have every sympathy with the directors who take on these films. They are given huge novels and have to cherry pick the bits they think the public will want to see. They know that the HP verse is enormous and that the fans will pick holes in the final prduct no matter what they do.
I have said this in another thread, but I really do think you have to look at the films as a total seperate entity from the books. If you view them as something that stands alone, apart from the book, you are less likely to judge them harshly, and enjoy them for what they are, no matter who directs them.
Marichris
Aug 14 2007, 02:28 AM
Warner Bros and JK Rowling shouldn't let him come back after what he did to the Order of the Phoenix. Not only was large sections of the book left out, but it was also quite boring. If I hadn't read the book then I would have had no idea what was going on, because he didn't empthasise anything. If I was JK Rowling, I'd be annoyed.
Christopher Columbus should definately come back and direct the last two films, because he made the first two brilliant and interesting. Waner Bros should have hired a director who has actually had experience in making big blockbuster films, because maybe then they would have understood the importance of a good script, music, visual effects and building up to a climax.
Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
Sep 16 2007, 07:51 PM
now that's a bit harsh...i wouldnt completely trust columbus...he did the simplest books of the series, but yea he was good and i admit he did an excellent job introducing the magic of harry potter to the world...he'll always have that. but now it's time for other directors to take up the extremely difficuly task of keeping fans interested. Yates did brilliantly and i'm extremely pleased he's coming back for the sixth.
even dan himself said he would just prefer to finish w/ yates and not w/ cuaron. i was really annoyed at cuaron w/ what he did w/ the third...and if he comes back for the seventh...
anyway, it was great and Yates rocks
Felix2090
Sep 22 2007, 08:29 PM
I am very excited that Yates will be returning. After seeing OOTP, which was my favorite book, I can tell that Yates really can do a good job. It is a hard task to turn the longest book into the shortest movie yet, but he did it. He left in all of the important stuff, and cut out all of the boring stuff. I hope he returns for DH too, but that depends on how he handles HBP. The only HP director that has come close to him, was Chris Columbus.
tubeman87
Oct 4 2007, 03:21 AM
I think Yates will do a fine job with HBP, but on the same tonken the HBP movie will undoutbly recieve the same criticism as OotP. I think the key thing to remember is the books and the movies are going to be different. The books are the best but if everything we know and love are in the movies we'd be sitting for hours on end watching. Directors unfortunatly have a budget to work with and they have to sacrifice content. I think OotP was fine....was it as good as the book? Hell no! but it was a good movie.
Gwenog
Oct 28 2007, 08:47 PM
I start to get scared..did we all watch the same OOTP?
seriously was there any worse movie than that (I mean generally not just Hp based)?
yea well there was GoF...
Yates runied OOTP completely ..Ive never seen somebody doing a poorer job...okay maybe that dude who did GoF...(what was his name again?)
so we will see HBP in a hectic, partially boring, incomprehensible for non-HP readers, annoying for HP readers as too much will be left out...even the important things.. and a wondering if they just fought or just had a little argument way....
Magelirose
Oct 28 2007, 09:32 PM
Personally, I really liked OOTP as a film. I thought GoF was ok, but no way near as good as the book. And whilst GoF is still my favourite book, PoA is still my favourite film, with OOTP a close second.
I am quite looking forward to having Yates back, and I'm hoping that Steve Kloves will stick to the script as per the book as closely as possible. Michael Goldenberg did a fantastic job with the script in OOTP, so much so that I was almost able to say some of the lines as I was watching it on screen! Please please let Steve Kloves do the same with HBP, there are some cracking lines in that book.
Aslan
Nov 4 2007, 09:46 PM
Personally, I loved OOTP. I think Yates did a fantastic job translating the story from book to screen. It is important to understand that book and film are two completely different mediums and things that might work in one, might not necessarily work in the other. A simple example of this is the eye-colour of Voldemort. David Heymann said that red worked perfectly for the books but said that it was to abstract for the films and did not go with the colour scheme. I completely agree with him on that.
Kloves did a good job with 1, 2 and 3, because the plotlines in those books aren’t necessarily straight forward, but the emotional tone of the story isn’t as heavy as in the final four books. When Kloves actually attempted to capture that emotional value of GOF, he failed miserably. What Micheal Goldenberg did was he captured the essence of the story and portrayed it in an action-packed fantasy-thriller!
As for the Harry-Dumbledore relationship; I think Yates did a great job with that by putting in subtle shots of Dumbledore avoiding Harry. I can recall two such instances (just after the sacking of Trelawney and after the attack on Mr Weasley), where a quick shot of Dumbledore diverting his attention from Harry on purpose, creates that distant feel that echoes from the books.
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Christopher Columbus should definately come back and direct the last two films, because he made the first two brilliant and interesting. Waner Bros should have hired a director who has actually had experience in making big blockbuster films, because maybe then they would have understood the importance of a good script, music, visual effects and building up to a climax.
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now that's a bit harsh...i wouldnt completely trust columbus...he did the simplest books of the series, but yea he was good and i admit he did an excellent job introducing the magic of harry potter to the world...he'll always have that.
With you on that one, Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts!
Gwenog, could you perhaps tell us why you thought OOTP was in the same league as GOF?
Gwenog
Nov 17 2007, 04:55 PM
as I said GoF was worse ...but that doesnt really make OOTP better and when I described how the next movie will probably be I already crtizised OOTP..so there you go...all the answers are already given
but okay I am in the mood to help you understand me a little better
what annoyed me most is the way he handled Snapes worst memory...I dont know if you have read DH but if you havent...let me tell you..it is a significant scene..did you see Lily? I mean like longer than 5 seconds so that you actually realised who it was? if yes I wonder when? the entire thing with Lily/snape doesnt exist...what is worse than that? that ruined the movie totally..
Magelirose
Nov 17 2007, 05:48 PM
Sorry, but I think I would have to disagree with you there Gwenog:
This is Harry Potter and the.... not Snape loves Lily and the....
The sub-plot of Snape's infatuation with Lily is just that, a sub-plot. It does not tell the whole tale, and even in DH, Snape was seen to despise Harry because he couldn't get past his hatred of James, who humiliated him whilst they were at school together. Sure, it was exacerbated by Snape's infatuation of Lily, but it was not the sole reason for Snape's hatred of James, and therefore hatred of Harry (who looked and acted remarkably like James).
I personally believe that David Yates did a superb job with OOTP, especially when I bear in mind all the cuts he had to make in the first instance, and then all the cuts he had to make once the filming had been completed. He has to make cuts. It's that simple. Really.
Gwenog
Nov 18 2007, 11:59 AM
I am quite aware of the title of the movie thanks
and I didnt say that it should be a movie about their relation ship..I just said that that very scene was messed up which ruined the atmosphere of the whole movie...
you are talking about the hatred between James and Snape but the scene doesnt just tell us that story...its also a key scene, in my opinion, for the affection from Snape towards Lily
(I personally stated to develope my theory or"Snape loves Lily" after reading that chapter...and I dont think it was just me) and therefore also an explanation why Snape was not adeath eater(anymore)..actually I think that this
is very important for the whole plot...I dont think that Rowling would have wasted an entire chapter in the end of DH to tell us snapes tale because its unimportant...that would be utterly waste of time...
and leaving the significance out...it was a very good written chapter, a very good story so it was quite a shame it wasnt in...and leaving this chaper out has destroyed it for me..wopp wopp
Magelirose
Nov 18 2007, 09:34 PM
I agree that JKR wouldn't have wasted an entire chapter about Snape's love for Lily if it wasn't important to the series as a whole, but: She also went into much more detail about Snape's love for Lily in DH rather than in OOTP, because it made more sense then, and it was more dramatic to find it out right at the end of Snape's life so that Harry spent more time convinced that Snape was on LV's side. I got more of an impression from the book that the importance of Snape's worst memory was to show that he had good reason to hate James (i.e for humiliating him at school), and not because he was infatuated with Lily as that consideration doesn't really become more apparent until much later. We only get a glimpse of it, so it really wasn't central to OOTP at all.
Plus, this topic is about Yates as a director, and the point I was trying to make in the wider sense is that he had to make cuts, and Snape's worst memory was not that crucial to the plot of OOTP. I am not saying it's not crucial to Snape's characterisation as a whole though. Despite how well-written you feel Snape's worst memory was, it simply wasn't crucial to the plot of OOTP, so it had to be cut due to the amount of screen time it obviously took up when they filmed it.
My personal opinion is that Yates cut less relevant stuff and put much more into the film than Mike Newell did with GoF. In my opinion, Mike Newell and Kloves ruined GoF for me, as it is my favourite book in the whole series (yes, even after having read DH).
*Priori Incantatem*
Nov 21 2007, 10:24 PM
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I think its unfair to say that yates ruined OOTP, it was a good film, second only to Azkaban in my book.
i agree with that totally! i loved POA and i think OOTP was much better than GOF and Yates did a really good job, but thats just my opinion.
i know as a HP fan its hard when the films change things but we have to accept that it is a movie and sometimes they do have to change things for it to be more dramatic and a better film to watch. considering this is the longest book i think he did an amazing job in putting everything essential in
when i first watched it i wasnt that happy and i even said myself that had i not read the books i would have been confused but now watching it again (on dvd) iv realised it is really good and i think Yates will do a good job on HBP
people have mentioned (and i agree) on how he did a good job in putting in those little things that make a difference e.g. dumbeldore distancing himself from harry, you see ginny giving harry sneeky looks from time to time and that scene with snapes flashback does explain his hatred for James and i also really liked the way in which we slowly begin to see Voldemort invading harrys mind in his movements and stuff
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Yates runied OOTP completely ..Ive never seen somebody doing a poorer job...okay maybe that dude who did GoF...(what was his name again?)
so we will see HBP in a hectic, partially boring, incomprehensible for non-HP readers, annoying for HP readers as too much will be left out...even the important things.. and a wondering if they just fought or just had a little argument way....
sorry that this is turning out to be the longest post ever but i just read that and, again its only my opinion, but dont you think thats a little harsh
Gwenog?
i think its a little early to be accusing Yates of of leaving out important details, like people have said, he (nor any director) can include everything thats in the books, it would just be impossible. he focuses on the main material which is important and he does well to focus on harrys emotions, which are essential in HPB and remember it is shorter so he can put more in, perhaps we shouldnt be so quick to judge - but again this is just my opinion i do respect yours
Gwenog
Nov 22 2007, 01:06 PM
no I dont think it is harsh or early (as I have been talking about OOTP..Ive seen it you know?) I wouldnt have written it and it is not really the topic
"Gwenogs opinion bout OOTP" but that Yates is announced as a director
I seriously dunno why you are commenting about posts.8especially opinions..you cant just comment others sorry)..
no offense I dont mean it bad..but I dont know what sense that makes..but if it does make a sense to you..go on..you can read what I personally think already above and I dont think I want add more to this
*Priori Incantatem*
Nov 24 2007, 03:36 PM
to be honest i didnt really understand your last post but im guessing we're just going to have to agree to disagree, everyones got their own opinion and thats fair enough. i liked Yates and you didnt, so yea i guess i have nothing more to add to it either
Magelirose
Nov 25 2007, 02:00 PM
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no I dont think it is harsh or early (as I have been talking about OOTP..Ive seen it you know?) I wouldnt have written it and it is not really the topic
"Gwenogs opinion bout OOTP" but that Yates is announced as a director
I seriously dunno why you are commenting about posts.8especially opinions..you cant just comment others sorry)..
no offense I dont mean it bad..but I dont know what sense that makes..but if it does make a sense to you..go on..you can read what I personally think already above and I dont think I want add more to this
I think you'll find that English is Gwenog's second language Priori, which is possibly why their last post didn't make much sense. I think (and I could be wrong) that Gwenog was trying to express that they are entitled to their opinion, and that you (we) shouldn't be commenting on their opinion, but more on the topic they are expressing an opinion on (if that makes sense!).
However, from what
I understand of Gwenog's post, they are saying we shouldn't be commenting on posts (which I'm afraid I can't agree with, as the whole point of this forum is to comment on topics and posts, as otherwise how can anyone have a conversation about anything on here at all?).
*Priori Incantatem*
Nov 30 2007, 11:35 PM
hey
Magelirose yea its not actually my first language either but thats irrelevant, i did understand it (sort of) but i got confused too so thank you clearing it up
hmm that is a bit confusing as, like you said, it is the point of the forums and having discussions on these topics so i dont understand how i couldnt really comment on what Gwenog had said without commenting on his/her post?
slightly confusing but i guess im going way off topic. like i said before we're going to agree to disagree, which is cool, everyones got their opinion and mine is that im happy Yates is coming back for HBP
ollie-hampson
Dec 3 2007, 04:09 PM
We'll im not sure how i feel about yates directing the 6th film.
Part of me doesnt want him to do it after all the things missed out durin OotP. But part of me wants him to because steve kloves is back at screenplay so it might have been the fact that there was a different screenplay person that made the film miss out so much.
I just hope the 6th film is better than the 5th.
GabRa
Dec 31 2007, 09:49 AM
Oh great now the 6th film will be 2 hours tops - Yates doesn't like long movies. The 5th film WAS NOT 2 h 16, the credits began at 2 h 3. I hope that sentence makes sense... not sure...
I personally don't want Yates as the director for HBP. OotP is far too rushed for me to enjoy. When they were filming OotP the actors were like "oh, oh yeah, it's a very dark and eerie movie..." and so it was. I like that in OotP even though it made me slightly depressed...
And now when they are filming HBP they're saying more like "oh it's great fun. This film will really brighten things up!" WHAAT?! They can't just GO BACK like that, it's not right. The HBP book was not bright and beautiful.
I'm not saying HBP can't be a great film, despite all this... It just doesn't feel like he's going to bring the athmosphere from the book onto screen.
"Sex, drugs and rock'n'roll"
Eeww... what the--??
(honestly, does that sound like a hp movie to you?)
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