This topic may belong under the books area, but since it includes all five books and that is not how that area is divided up, I thought I would put it here. Moderators, if you feel it needs to be moved, feel free.


Anyway, here is my question. Many times I have read in other threads and editorials how Ron frequently makes off the cuff remarks that later turn out to be true. For example, in book four when he and Harry are making up their star charts for Divination, Ron makes up that Harry will be stabbed in the back by a friend. Then a chapter or two later, Ron accuses Harry of finding a way to sneak his name into the Goblet of Fire.

WHat I was wondering were what other times do you think that Ron has predicted things or said things that later turned out to be true. What worries me most of all is in book 5 when Ron jokes that about the tea leaves saying "Die Ron Die" . I am just curious if there are other things that Ron has predicted that came true and if so then I think unfortuanately that the future doesn't look too promising for our favorite redhead.

wow this is scary! I've never thought about it 'till you mentioned it....
your right, I think you have a point. ron will not survive..

Oh, come now, there's a chance he'll live. I think pomfrey has a point though. I just really don't want him to die.

that's a really good point actually. maybe JK put it in there as some major clue to bok 6 or 7 :|

just to clarify a few things. This is not my theory, I've read it somewhere else before. I just think it is an interesting comment. I think Ron says near the end of OOtP when they are taking their OWLS.

I hate the idea that Ron may die. I really hope that JKR will not kill off any one of the three.

I was just wondering if anyone else could remember any other predictions that Ron has made that pretty much came true.

Ok, the Seer!Ron theory, in short: when he's joking, he's usually right. Note: COS: jokes that Tom Riddle may have won his award for killing Myrtle. Turns out to be that's what happened. There is a library of threads on the yahoo HP for grownups group with all the pointers.

So I was watching in OOTP to see what happens-- and he's describing his Quidditch save that won the Cup. (By the way, do you remember what he saw in Erised? Now he is a prefect AND holding the Quidditch cup.) He says he had this feeling and knew that the chaser would fake an go to the other hoop.

He's not the seventh son of a seventh son-- but Ginny is a seventh child, so we'll see what she turns up to do.

Mmm, you know, I think I might have mentioned about Ron's uncanny knack for off-the-cuff remarks that turn out to be true as evidence in my 'Snape is a bat' theory.... But I'd like to correct myself on that one....I believe it was actually Harry who made that remark in GoF (about Snape being a bat to have gotten down to the forest so fast), but quite a few of his flippant remarks have turned out to have just a trace of truth in them too. I think that there are quite a few things throughout the books to suggest that possibly Harry might be able to 'see'....but as for Ron, I dunno anymore.....although I do worry about that 'Die, Ron, Die' thing....when I read that, I wondered if it might be foreshadowing, particularly as Ron is now beginning to experience the things he 'most desired' in the mirror of Erised....almost as though JKR wants him to be happy before......you know....

Oh dana, would JKR be that cruel? Give Ron a taste of happiness and then kill him off? I just would be so upset. I don't want any of the trio to be killed off. I can so easily see them in the future as grown-ups still together, still doing their best to do the right things etc. I of course see Harry and Hermione together and Ron would have found an absolutely wonderful woman to be with him and it would go from the Trio to a quadruplet. But still, I don't want any of them to kick the bucket.

you also said that you think that Harry might be a seer. Some times I have wondered that myself. Harry does seem to have a lot of insight into things.( though not always about himself emotionally). I think he more senses things rather than predicts them. I don't know if that makes sense or not, but for me it seems different. I don't see Ron as particularly insightful or sensitive, yet he makes these off the cuff remarks that later seem to be true. I am pretty sure that he isn't even thinking at all that he is making a prediction he is just being funny etc. So later when something does come true, he doesn't make the connection that he predicted it. Harry is usually pondering something, mulling it over and then has an insight about it that may be true. I would say that sometimes Harry and Hermione seem to have a bit of a psychic connection and can seem to tell what the other is thinking on many occasions.

I don't think that any characters in the books have given any thought that Ron may accidentally be making predictions that come true. If Ron were asked to give a direct prediction, he probably couldn't do that. So I don't know so much that the character of Ron is psychic as much as JKR is just using Ron's funny sense of humor in a rather ironic way, by later having the things he joked about come true after all.

Mmm, yeah, I guess...I can see your point. But then I guess that a lot of people wouldn't say they were psychic, per se, but that very often their gut instincts and first reactions to things usually turn out to be right. I was watching a programme on Discovery the other night about some psychological experiments where they had to get people to do a particular task - one group were told to try to 'sense' the answer to the problem, and the other was asked to talk as they did the task, justifying their decisions.....and the group with the most success turned out to be the one that went on instincts.

Maybe we're all a little bit psychic in that way.....which is perhaps closer to Harry and Ron's abilities....or lack thereof.

As for JKR not being that cruel, oh yes indeedy-do, she's that cruel. Giving Sirius his freedom, then snatching it back, putting him through everything she did and then killing the poor guy off before he's ever tasted real freedom.....it doesn't come much more cruel than that. At least Ron would have known what it truly is to be alive first, which is more than poor, much grieved for Sirius ever had.....

Ooh, I sort of forgot about how she did that to poor Sirius. I guess you're right. I just shudder to think she would do that to our Ron.

By the way, maybe Sirius will be back somehow or maybe he is experiencing some sort of wonderful freedom wherever he is now. There is a lot about that that we don't know.

I believe that Ron is...uhm... sort of a Seer but he's not open with the idea. Who would want to open that idea, being a Seer, if your teacher in Divination is like Professor Trelawney?

Anyways, I don't think it's coincidence. And I hate this but believing Ron, being a Seer, is like believing he'll die on the later part of the book. His jokes, like that Die, Ron, Die, and the other things that shows Ron's prediction of his own death... it's just so sad. And I'm beginning to freak-out because he and Harry made a chart full of their predictions of nearly death.

Perhaps it is possible that he is a Seer- he may well be the 7th son as we do not know for sure if there was a miscarriage or a child that died in the Weasley family do we? Nor do we know if Mr.W is a 7th son, so it *is* a theory that cannot be completely overlooked.

Also, for all we know, Rowling may write from the perspective that seers do not always know they are seers until they mature into adulthood or something, so it could be a while before Ron realizes his true potential?

You may have a point there, but I dont think JKR would kill off Ron, hes to important in the books. Do you know how lonely Harry will feel if Ron dies?? It'll just be him and Hermione, and they arnt as good of friends as Harry and Ron are.

i think he will, cause hes closest to harry, i think its gonna be like his fathers relationship with siruis, sirus lost his best friend against voldy- james. just like harry will ( knock on wood) loos his best friend against voldy-ron...

Hehe, I just read this theorie and I always have been positive about Ron being some kind of seer, since everything he said did come true so far.

I am still waiting for Snape to adopt Harry, though. *chuckles*

Flutterflie

P.S.: I also believe Ron will die, there were many times he said something like that (don't make me read all books again just now), and he sacrificed himself for Harry and Hermione in the first book. I think it is likely to happen again...

In the First American Edition of GoF on page 221, Ron and Harry begin to invent their Divination homework for that week, as has already been discussed. I'd like to go a bit more in depth, though! It seems pretty harmless and funny, but what they say exactly parallels the Triwizard Tournament and possibly further! They state:

1. In danger of burns. (i.e. First task/DRAGONS!)
2. Lose a treasured possession. (i.e. Second task/his Weezy)
3. Stabbed in the back by a friend (i.e. Third task/MoodyCrouch or Krum)

But then (how interesting is this!?)
Ron: "I'll come off worst in a fight."
Harry: "I was going to have a fight. Okay I'll lose a bet."
Ron: "Yeah, you'll be betting I'll win my fight."

Alright, so think about this in terms of the beginning of the Second War (How fitting, the second war begins two chapters after the one entitled "Veritaserum.") It is not Ron but Harry that comes off worst in the fight against Voldemort. "...you'll be betting I'll win my fight." This means that Ron will not win his fight! He will Lose.

It might be that whatever fight Ron tackles in Deathly Hallows, he will lose. And it might just be Harry's fault.

*Neville Loves Me*

You know what men?? i think your right and that ron will die NOOOOOO he (after weasley s brother and super duper dumbledore) was my favorite character

WOW!! That is great neville loves me, I have never noticed that. With your evidence then I will have to agree with you Ron will die, unforuanetly. I think that Ron, like Trelawny, is really good at guessing.

Umm, I think that it was mere coincidence, I don't think that he has said anything else that came "true" or something like that. Ron didn't stab him in the back...it was a misunderstanding, he thought that Harry had stabbed him in the back...and so on and so forth. So, I don't think that JK will kill of any of the three, at least, I'm crossing my fingers on it!

I am sad to say it, but I think you may be right... Ron is a favorite character of mine, and I don't want him to die. Although your theory sounds like it may be true... but we will never know until the DH is out. I am so excited for it! But sad to see that the series is over .






JellyBelly

I don`t think that Ron will die, but i do think that some one in the Weasley family will die, but i to think that Ron have been lucky whit his guessing.

It's lucky that I read the seventh book before I read this thread, Ron being one of my favourite charactors! it's extremly uncanny that all (Okay, almost all) of his joking-predictions turned out to be true... But wasn't it Harry, not Ron said that he would die in the fifth book? Didn't he say something like '''I don't care if they [the tea-leaves] say 'Die' Ron, 'Die'". I think he was actually meaning himself being dead (and that came true too)and sort of bringing Ron's name into the conversation to include him (A bit like 'And there I was, Bob, eating a sandwich...). I guess it all depended on the placement of the apostrophes(Sp.) something that I can't check right now as my brother just ran off with the book.
It's also kinda weird that Harry thought that thing abut Snape adopting Harry, when the actual situation was a little like that in real life.