nevillesgirl
May 17 2007, 07:59 PM
I couldn't believe it when I came across a headline that said 'I hate Harry Potter, and I can't believe JK Rowling is release the final installment.' You can find the article
ARTICLE HEREYes I know that people don't like the series for various reasons. I have never known anyone to publicly post that on a website and then welcome the slews of "hate mail" that is sure to follow.
To be fair, she does back up her opinion by claiming JKR to be an inadequate author.
What do you guys think about this? Is there any truth to that statement?
Killian
May 17 2007, 08:49 PM
This woman doesn't have a CLUE what she's talking about! I'm not just saying that as a Harry Potter fan, I'm saying it because there is so many incorrect statements in her article! If she is going to make random, unfounded claims, she needs to remember that Harry Potter fans can be quite fanatical and know a lot more than she ever will about the books and the author.
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When Rowling was writing children’s books that she expected only children would read (the first and second Potter installments),
JK Rowling has stated she never had ANY age group in mind while writting the books.
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Rowling’s Simple Simon plotting could have been justified. But as her characters age, along with her audience, she can no longer hide behind that children’s-book façade. And sophisticated plotting cannot be achieved simply by adding a small love interest.
What is she talking about?! Harry Potter has one of the most complex storylines I've ever had the pleasure of reading. From Harry's past, to the situation with Voldemort's survival and the Horcruxes, to the character of Severus Snape, the relationship with adult characters like Sirius Black and Hagrid, Dumbledore and the Potter's, the Malfoys and the Weasleys, this book series is FILLED with twists and mysteries, hence why they are so popular! Hence why adults continue reading the books as they get older, and hence why a lot pick up the books nowadays.
This women is just some small-time journalist trying to ride of the coat tails of a successful writer in hopes to gaining a fraction of her successful by deminishing her work.
And she fails at it.
ilovehpwaymorethanyoudo333
May 18 2007, 01:43 AM
wow i really dont like that person, i mean she probably didnt give it a real chance, she seems really mean and only slef helping,... but i do no want to judge any one. i am fine with someone not liking harry potter, but i dont think its right for people posting it around trying to pursuade other people to join there hate club. well i dont know what she is thinking, to me, she jsut has no clue, and yes she probably did get alot of slack because of that, andi dont blame the people who did it. i dont think if there is something a BIG group of people really love, that you should slaughter it and say bad stuff about it, because that will automatically get you ALOT of enimies

kindof skinks for her. and i TOTALY agree with you killian, i think its even worse for a person to do this when she even has the facts wrong... haha thats all i can say
After the Burial
May 22 2007, 12:54 PM
You cannot appreciate what you do not know. This woman clearly does not know Harry Potter. JK uses a direct writing style. Good. There is not need to write epic poetry when you write a fantasy novel. We are not in ancient Greece and Rome. We don't need to follow the literary models of Shakespeare and Voltaire.
She doesn't like Harry Potter? Fine. That is her loss.
megan_de_lioncourt
May 22 2007, 02:25 PM
I dont understand why this person would say these things, honestly. I think the books are brilliant, but even as a none harry potter fan i think that people should still admire J.K.Rowling and her books!
Theyre obviously brilliant or she wouldnt of made so much money, or have so many fans!! Shes obviously doing something right, and anyway, all ages read her books so she didnt really intend it for just kids.
Argh!!
Capricorn
May 22 2007, 03:27 PM
Maybe she couldn't figure out how big her email inbox space was and wanted to find out by getting as many people as possible to email her. She's probably sitting back now with a large mug of coffee, waiting for the Harry Potter fandom to answer the Mystery of the Incalculable Inbox Space. Or something. I can't think of a better reason for writing such tripe and actually putting your name next to it. I'd die of shame.
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But someone needs to tell them they’re subjecting themselves to writing and stories that are second-rate, at best.
MWUAHAHAHA! That killed me!

Boy do I feel like a victim now!
Ah, the poor girl. I know some very intelligent people who haven't realised that they are so dangerously subjecting themselves to second-rate stories, so unless she is, in fact, implying to be more of a critical genius than half of the literate world, that statement makes no sense whatsoever. I almost felt insulted, but the feeling was smothered by sympathy for the girl in an instant.
If I were to drop her a line I'd recommend some self-help books to begin with, followed by a strict diet and an even stricter gym program. Small but regular helpings of Harry Potter could be introduced in the long run to help her overcome her fear of stories capable of transporting millions of spellbound readers to an imaginary destination designated by a despotic second rate author.
PottyHead
May 22 2007, 03:45 PM
This girl says that the characters are completley unrelateable?
I haven't read a single book yet with characters as relatable as HP. Especially the trio, we know so much about them, JKR has developed them so well that it's almost hard to find atleast something about them that people can't relate to!!
Fair enough if this girl doesn't like HP but the reasons she use to back up her hatred of the book are completley rubbish! I don't think this girl has even read all 6 books that are currently out other wise she would know the plot is full of twists and turns that keep us guessing and talking and basically keeps us reading!!
And how she can say that JKR is a
edit author I don't know

If JKR was really that bad she wouldn't be richer than the queen!!
I'm not saying the girl must love HP but she can't just go round making frankly biased statements in the hope of getting more people out there to agree with her. Especially seeing the HUGE fan base that HP has!!
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Mod Edit: Just watch the language, please. The censors picked up an inappropriate word. Thanks!
firefly
May 23 2007, 03:43 AM
It's just sad that people have to spend so much of their time hating and putting down what other people like. Does it really matter that so many people like HP and that she doesn't? No. She's one of those people who get satisfaction out of putting down others. I feel sad for her that she can't find something better to do with her time.
Arabella Doreen Figg
May 25 2007, 03:50 PM
Eh, I don't think that she was all that mean. She has a very good point.
As far as literary merit goes, the books aren't technically all that well-written. All of the technical criticism this journalist points out is warranted. Nobody is ever going to call these books
great literature. JKR isn't going to win the Nobel Prize for Literature for the Harry Potter series. What the journalist has missed though
(and it's probably because she doesn't have much imagination) is that JKR is possibly
the best storyteller of the twentieth century.
I, personally, place Rowling in the same category as Stephen King. On technical merit, his books aren't award-winners. While the stories might have complicated character relationships et al, the plots follow a very simple form. Most horror and fantasy books do, though. They're generally a simple "Good vs. Evil" story, and there's always
one twist.
But as for forcing the suspension of disbelief, for creating a world that readers of all ages and education levels embrace, these two writers are masters. They don't write epic literature, but they
do tell epic stories.
Unfortunately,
that journalist doesn't have much imagination and isn't able to see the value in both types of writing. By literary criticism standards, the series
is second-rate.
But judged by the standards of storytelling, the series is one of the best we've ever seen. Rowling has managed to create an entire world that's captivating and so well-described that people, including adults, sometimes seem to forget that it's fantasy.
I wonder if it's even possible to create a piece of "great literature" that matches the ability to engage readers that this story has. I love great literature. I do, but I can't think of one work that actually engaged me like this series has.
Atlas Shrugged might have changed my life, but it didn't engage me like this. (And Ayn Rand is commonly credited with being one of the "great authors" who could also "tell a story.)
One could argue that the engagement of the readers might just be
more valuable than great literature, because the engagement spurns imagination. And imagination just might be the most important trait anyone can have. If you can't dream it, you can't do it.
EliasOsiris
May 25 2007, 04:59 PM
I'm not sure that I'd agree that JKR is the (or one of the) best storytellers of the twentieth century. Would I put her in the same or higher catagory than say, Jack London, Shirley Jackson, Ray Bradbury, or Michael Korda? Not a chance. Heck, Michael Korda makes me enjoy stories about stuff I'm not even interested in.
I've certainly read or been told of the criticism of the Harry Potter book; probably all of it's valid. But who cares? Is it really important that the Harry Potter books represent great literature? Does the fact it is not considered a great epic by the literary community somehow diminish my enjoyment? Heck no. The Harry Potter books are an easy and fun read, and isn't that one of the purposes of any literature? That someone will not only read it, but reread it, and encourage someone else to do the same? I've enjoyed the series, watched the movies, written some fan fiction. One of the criticisms of HP is that it doesn't encourage the reader to continue on to other literature. I think that that type of thinking is so, last century. What it does encourage is people to write. Judging by the number of fan sites and fiction on them, I have to be right.
Hate Harry Potter? Go ahead, go read something else that you do like. Then go write something that you think I should like and I'll let you know what I think.
Arabella Doreen Figg
May 25 2007, 05:36 PM
QUOTE(EliasOsiris @ May 25 2007, 12:59 PM) [snapback]390438[/snapback]
I'm not sure that I'd agree that JKR is the (or one of the) best storytellers of the twentieth century. Would I put her in the same or higher catagory than say, Jack London, Shirley Jackson, Ray Bradbury, or Michael Korda? Not a chance. Heck, Michael Korda makes me enjoy stories about stuff I'm not even interested in.
I guess it just goes to show you that we're all different.

I don't enjoy Jack London at all; his voice isn't one that engages me at all. Ray Bradbury only works out loud for me, and I've never read anything by Michael Korda. (But, I'm going to go request whatever my branch of the library has...
I'll give you Shirley Jackson, though.
As to the criticism that Harry Potter doesn't spur readers to read other things? Fantasy is a much hotter genre in the 2000s than it was in the 80s and 90s, and there's a very big subsetlot of Witch/Wizard writings. Someone's reading them if they keep being published, right? People reading anything is better than nothing, isn't it? (I'm not arguing with
you, I just hadn't heard that particular criticism before. ) And, as you said, it certainly has spawned fan fic, so it's not only encouraging reading but writing. That can't be bad either, can it?
Capricorn
May 25 2007, 05:47 PM
I find this very interesting. I'm all for literature as an art and a skill, and some books are simply written better than others, that's true, but I sometimes wonder if that isn't missing the point.
JK Rowling has captured the imagination of millions of people with these stories, and these millions include some very well-read, intelligent people. Saying that the books are second rate is like saying that the Beatles cannot be compared to Mozart, so their music must be second rate. I think that's just plain snobbish. And yes, unimaginative,
Arabella Doreen Figg.
I once had a music teacher who told me the Four Seasons by Vivaldi was a brain dead composition, because the harmony doesn't change for five bars at a time. I couldn't believe it! Anyone who has ever heard those pieces must attest to their magic. The effect they have on audiences is incredible. It's enchanting stuff! Isn't that what music is about? Although the Four Seasons might not be a piece of mesmerising harmonic gymnastics, other elements of the music combine to make it one of the best loved classical pieces there is.
I always think it's important to remember why art exists. I mean, what came first, the story or the critical analysis? Stories, music and pictures are ways to make life more beautiful. We sense that some stories are more compelling than others, so we give the elements of stories names and call it literature.
If stories contain many of these elements in a nice and sensible, perhaps even profound way, chances are the story will be good. That does not mean that the story can't be good or compelling or enchanting if these elements are not present. And just because we define literature as a certain collection of elements does not mean that stories that don't conform to the 'rules' of that collection are second rate.
If it's about imagination and enjoyable stories, JK Rowling is a genius. Perhaps not a literary genius, but I think that only shows that literature is not the ultimate measure of story-telling greatness. To be sure, it is awesome and I have a very strong renaissance streak in me myself, but ultimately I think defining the literary elements still cannot pinpoint exactly why stories are so magical to us.
Arabella Doreen Figg
May 25 2007, 06:10 PM
QUOTE(Capricorn @ May 25 2007, 01:47 PM) [snapback]390449[/snapback]
If it's about imagination and enjoyable stories, JK Rowling is a genius. Perhaps not a literary genius, but I think that only shows that literature is not the ultimate measure of story-telling greatness. To be sure, it is awesome and I have a very strong renaissance streak in me myself, but ultimately I think defining the literary elements still cannot pinpoint exactly why stories are so magical to us.
This is what I was trying -- and failing -- to say when I called JKR one of the best storytellers of our time. That's why I included Stephen King, too. He writes fluff, but you see it exactly as he wants you to. And you forget that it's fiction while you're reading it...
My husband is a chef. And this is a conversation we often have:
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Saying that the books are second rate is like saying that the Beatles cannot be compared to Mozart, so their music must be second rate. I think that's just plain snobbish.
Just because every restaurant isn't the French Laundry, The Fat Duck or El Bulli doesn't mean that they aren't fantastic restaurants. We've eaten in really inexpensive barbecue shacks that we thought were fantastic, and in $100/head, million dollar dining room, swarm service restaurants where the food was really only so-so.
In his field technical skill
is important, but a dish can be technically perfect and not taste fabulous. A dish can be technically not as sound but have the perfect flavor combinations. At the end of your meal, which would you rather have? (And of course you can't compare apples to oranges, either.)
He watches a lot of BBC America and says that technically, Gordon Ramsey is an amazing chef. But if you watch "The f Word" the restaurant guests often complain that the food was bland. Ramsey loves to joke about Jamie Oliver, but while Oliver's technique isn't as technically sound, guests rarely complain about lack of flavor. Some complain that the particular flavors weren't to their liking, but it's not about lack of flavor...
Kind of akin to your point about the point of a book or a piece of music is to engender a response, not necessarily to follow the rules.... I think?
*Priori Incantatem*
Jun 1 2007, 12:27 AM
firstly i dont think she would be saying that had she written harry potter herself and captured the hearts and minds of millions around the world! honestly some people are just pathetic
how can she even talk about JK's writing as being too simplistic, has she even read the books or understood the plot? incase shes forgotten JK set out to write a childrens book, and thats what shes done, shes not using it 'as an excuse'. and its not exactly JK's fault that she has adult readers too and i dont see any of them complaining or not reading the books because theyr 'too simple'!
yet funnily enough thats why it appeals to such a wide audience, children and adults understand it. no matter how 'simple' her writing may be she has created a world far more complex than anyone could, one that goes beyond pen and paper. JK 'simple' structure has allowed readers to create an image of their own of the magical world, which is a greater achievement than any amount of good literacy can achieve (not saying that JK isnt good at literature!)
so yea her writing cant be compared to Shakespeare but then again not many can. i think what a lot of people are trying to get across is that, with Harry Potter, the actual writing style isnt important - its what the world of harry potter has done for its readers and their imagination. i think thats deffinately something that woman has forgotten.
oh and i agree with 'capricorn' about the music thing, some of the worlds best music is made up of a very simple structure - take Canon in D, it simply repeats the same bars, yet it is an amazing piece of music - i dont see her complaining about that!
right i feel a lot better now, people just annoy me so much when they set out to target people who have done nothing wrong. but at the end of the day that woman can argue her case all she wants, somehow i think the millions of fans will always prove her wrong
nevillesgirl
Jun 1 2007, 06:50 PM
I was just wondering if anyone here at VTM has attempted to email her. I also wonder how many emails she has recieved in regards to her pretty "ridikulous" claims. Do you ever think that a person like that will ever change there mind about the series or JKR's writing? I am torn on that question because of the fact that this person never even read the books. If she would have read them, then I would feel a little more comfortable about her making such ludicris statements...at least she could have said that she has an opinion based on first hand experience.
DracosLady
Jun 3 2007, 09:32 PM
I read that absurd article and almost upchucked my lunch! For one thing I noticed people referring to her as a "woman", she is a 17 year old high school dingbat...She obviously has no clue about JK Rowling's works and has obviously never read the first book..How can she make those one sided comments about JK being a "SimpleSimon" writer? People like that make me sick *gags in silence* And did you guys notice that at the bottom of her article after she dissed Harry, she wants people to submit their suggestions to what the final sentence in Deathly Hallows will be, "it can be humorous or deathly serious" what a hippocrate! Go get your cheerleading pompoms out and hop on the short bus where you belong girlfriend!
Enough said on that one....
Marcey
HPFan792
Jun 22 2007, 09:48 PM
What a stupid article. The women does not know at all what she is talking about. She probably will never like the series answering nevillesgirl. I havent sent anything yet but, I think I might just because I am really bored.
Member of the Phoenix
Jul 18 2007, 02:22 PM
I didn't get a chance to read the article. My computer couldn't find it. But,...We shouldn't get angry about this. Everyone is intitled to their opinions and since we all know that she is a great author we shouldn't worry about what she thinks. I mean we all know that the HP series is great, why let someone like that bother you?
hermione rox
Jul 18 2007, 02:39 PM
Yes its true the way she's been speaking of the series is inappropriate and disrespectful to fans such as ourselves. But c'mon, as fans here we need to be the better people and just accept that it's one persons opinion. No I am not defending a woman like her that just hates Harry Potter for no specific reason. I'm saying here, let's just keep it at this: we love the books with all our hearts, she clearly loathes them. Let's let her stick with her opinion and not even listen to what she has to say. As Huge fans here, we need to stick with our beliefs and let her just wander her mind and try to convince more than half the world how awful (but to us incredible) these books are. Funny seeing how that's going to go. And funny seeing as half the world loves the books, they're not going to listen to an idiot like her. So let's just let her have her opinion, and lets just continue being loyal to our Harry Potter books and fantasies.
Thinking about it, it sounds like she really has no clue what she's talking about in the first place, sounds like she's never really read the books or put any thought into them whatsoever. The development of these books are fantastic, probably the best I've ever seen! So let's just accept her opinion, but not agree with it the same, fighting won't get us anywhere.
Luna237
Jul 31 2007, 01:52 AM
I have one question. Why can't she keep her opinions to herself? Other people don't like harry potter and they don't go around to the media telling everyone that they hate it!!! And many people do love the books, so why can't she accept that?
Weasley_Wannabe
Aug 25 2007, 12:02 AM
I can't believe someone would bash such awesome writing as Harry Potter! This is madness.....STOP THE MADNESS!
GryffindorGazette
Aug 27 2007, 05:55 PM
Most likely she hasn't even read the books.
No.1_HarryPotterFan
Aug 27 2007, 07:18 PM
That's probably right. That or she just is a vindictive lady who needs to read more, not just a couple pages... I mean, how could you not like Harry Potter? I mean, come on! Wizards and witches, what's not to like?
LoveSnape
Aug 27 2007, 08:53 PM
What do you call a series that made me sit down and read all seven books back-to-back over two weeks' time? I call it a darn good series. I have a degree in English Literature, so I think I know a thing or two.
I am a reformed book snob (mostly, but I still refuse to read Stephen King) and out of bordom, picked up HP while on vacation. I didn't stop reading till all the books were read. I have to say that Snape is trully the greatest character since Shakespeare's Iago. I tell no lie. And collectively, as a series, it is one of the greatest literary accomplishments of recent history.
nevillesgirl
Aug 29 2007, 01:15 AM
QUOTE(hermione rox @ Jul 18 2007, 04:39 AM) [snapback]414761[/snapback]
Yes its true the way she's been speaking of the series is inappropriate and disrespectful to fans such as ourselves. But c'mon, as fans here we need to be the better people and just accept that it's one persons opinion.
~I don't have a problem letting people have their own opinions...what I take issue with is that she has formed these opinions with out even reading the novels. That is not opinionated that is ignorance. If she wanted to make such claims about JK and the series, I would have had more (not much mind you) but more respect if they were educated and she had at least read the books. That is like someone saying they doen't like chocolate and having them launch into a tirade about how terrible it is, yet they have never tasted it themselves...that is ridiculous.
lemonadenoi
Sep 22 2007, 06:20 PM
Peoples have their own reasons to like/dislike Harry Potter..
We know why we adored Harry and his friends..
If she does'nt,then its her loss! We could never force her! Pity her..
How dare she judge something without even have any idea what she talking about.. she make me laugh! Duh..
Oh ok.. it's her opinion,btw..and i'm OK with that!

Lem0n
Mundu
Sep 30 2007, 02:18 AM
I want so desperately to slam her for being such an ignorant twit, but in the end it is just an opinion as hermione rox and others stated. I also can't slam her for broadcasting her opinion so blatantly without respect to those that do love the series, because isn't that (essentially) what we're doing on this site? Broadcasting our opinion about the Harry Potter series, and, ultimately, her? But, hey, we are afterall perfectly entitled to our opinion. I just wish that she was better informed before casting said opinion like gospel. I guess I'm okay with all that she said, but I still stick firmly to
my opinion, that Harry Potter is fantastic. Gosh, I'm sorry about this post. I hope people can make sense of it!
Aquamarina
Oct 23 2007, 06:28 PM
well at least now we know where the rita skeeter character came from

the woman has no idea, blowing up everything, she so,,, umbridge-like, toad!
i love Harry potter series and hope jkr continues even more!
Belladawna
Oct 23 2007, 07:08 PM
I don't know what that woman is talking about -- the HP storyline (or storylines) are the very last thing I would call simple. I love rereading the books because something new or different can always be drawn from them! Methinks she hasn't actually read the books....
Witherwings
Oct 23 2007, 08:23 PM
I didn't read the article either, the page doesn't seem to exist anymore. But I get this feeling that the article is about someone disliking Harry Potter?

Okay, well first off I have to say it is almost incredible that someone doesn't like Harry Potter!

But I have nothing against that person. If she doesn't like it, her problem. I'm not sure what she says in the article, but it seems she has trouble understanding that it's fantasy, fiction. If she does, that's her problem too, although I think she could at least
try to understand, to not hate something because it's fictionnal or famous. But it's her opinion, I can't really prove a point about people not being aloud to have thir own opinions!

I't be cool if I could read the article...
Vontsje
Nov 2 2007, 03:24 PM
Everybody is untitled to have their own opinion, so I don't think you can say that woman is stupid or something like that. When people don't like a book, oke, than they don't, so what! We're all diffirent, so nobody will like the same things.
forsaken_wolfess
Jul 6 2008, 06:35 PM
As misguided as we may think she is, she is entitled to her own opinion. There are people who don't like Harry Potter, you know. I'm not one of them, but I know their are such people in the world. Maybe she really believes all of the things she said. I disagree, but I don't like some books some people love. I'm not going to question her sanity because of her literature preference.
Alastorlet_and_Proud!
Oct 24 2008, 04:48 PM
While I appreciate what you say about being entitled to your own opinions, I still think it's wrong to openly trash a book like that, particularly when so many people adore it. If she hates it, shouldn't she keep it to herself, or at least admit that there may be two sides to the argument?
I do agree with what was said earlier about JKR not being the best writer of our time, but I don't really admire her because she has the beat writing style in the world, I admire her because she has created a world that inspires so many people, and can never have too many fanfictions written about it. Her incredible plotline had readers hooked until the end. You can't denounce a book as shallow once you've seen the queues of people outside bookshops, with their sleeping bags and Harry Potter glasses, waiting for days just to be one of the first to lay their hands on the final installment of the series.
Each character is so deep, or so explorable, that you can't help but write fanfics about them, and dream about them, and discuss them. Even the passing names are loaded with history, and one of the funniest parts of the books is at times when the characters give casual references to important creatures or characters from legend, like Circe and Manticores.
For God's sake, this woman has got ten year olds reading books the size of Anna Karenina! That's no mean feat! Just because you may not like Harry Potter, does that mean that it is automatically rubbish, uninteresting and poorly written? My mum, for one, hates Harry Potter with a passion, but she still acknowledges it for the phenomonen that it is. In her own words, the only critisism she can find is that it is 'not my type'.
Surely this journalist should admit that Harry Potter is 'not her type' and move on to reading and reporting on what she does enjoy? You'll get no satisfaction in life for trying to justify and unjustificable loathing of something, so maybe you should just stick to what you actually like so as to give a slightly more fair opinion.
Writing this, of course I'm going to be biased. I'm a hardcore Potterhead, and proud of it! But at least I can understand that there are people out there who won't like Harry Potter, and never will, and I'm certainly not going to sway them. You just want to say to this woman 'Yes, we understand, you don't like Harry Potter, but perhaps you should just give your ranting a rest, because you're not going to change the minds of us Potter fans here on VTM, and you'll only cause other Harry Potter haters to nod their heads and say 'She's right you know'. You're not going to change anybody's mind; the only reason you're writing this is to let off steam about a hatred that most of the world believes to be completely unfounded. Move on from Harry Potter and go write about the Simpsons instead.'
Yes, I am a hypocrite, ranting on a bit like her, except pro-Potter, but hey, this is who I am, and at least I've got a wider audience who believes in what I'm saying.
Just and idea, though. Does anyone have a friend or colleague who hates Harry Potter with a passion, and you could persuade them to use your account to post their side of the argument? That would be really interesting.
Ellie
xxx
Nicky
Jan 1 2009, 07:19 PM
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While I appreciate what you say about being entitled to your own opinions, I still think it's wrong to openly trash a book like that, particularly when so many people adore it. If she hates it, shouldn't she keep it to herself, or at least admit that there may be two sides to the argument?
I agree with your statement here. If you don't like something that is such a huge phenomenon, I don't think to publicly bash it is the best way of gaining attention. I think they were so desperate for attention that they found the best way of getting it was to bash a widely-loved series of books.
It's not right to trash such a thing and dismiss all arguments. At lest acknowledge the fact that your opinion is not the only one that counts.
acidpop
Jan 1 2009, 10:04 PM
I must admit, I didn't read all the replies to this. I was just eager to post what I had to say haha.

I think that woman was just desperate for attention. I think she knew that Potter fans would be outraged and it would give her a feeling of importance. Also, she is probably jealous of JKR's talent and success. I wouldn't give that woman the time of day.
I suggest no one gives her the attention she obviously so desperately needs. Pathetic.
harryjpotter
Jan 1 2009, 10:12 PM
Jo is in no way an inadequate author!
Most of the people I know who hate Harry Potter are either jealous of Jo's talent and success or they really have no imagination. Each to their own and it really doesn't bother me whether some likes what I like or not but it goes too far when they expect everyone else to hate it too.
Eisa
Jan 2 2009, 12:18 AM
I wish I had gotten the chance to read the article because it's hard to form an opinion based on what others have said about what she wrote and not form it directly from her own words. Be that as it may...
It's her opinion. You can have your own opinion. However, what I do disagree with is not educating herself about Harry Potter by reading the books. I do think that if you are going to openly and publicly hate and vilify a series of books, then you should read some if not all of the series so that you can base your opinion on something valid and real. If you read the books and then hate them, people will take you more seriously than random vicious spouting about how awful they are when you haven't even read the first page of the first book. I think that no matter what the book, you should give it an honest chance before deciding to hate and trash it. And it sounds like this person didn't do that. So that's why I disagree with what she has apparently said. Not so much that she dislikes HP but that she couldn't bother to read the books before making her opinions so known.
ChannelingGinny
Jan 17 2009, 07:23 PM
Unfortunately, the article is no longer available, so I cannot comment directly on the author's words. I did, however, read all the posts and have garnered some information to form an opinion!
Fawksy_Lady pointed out that the author is a 17-year old girl (at the time of writing). Sorry. I know there are some younger people who are well-versed in life, but I don't think that a 17-year old who has not read the series has any authority to write such drivel. Even if she HAD read the series, I don't think at 17 she had enough experience with literature to make the comparisons that she did.
As for the opinion that "Harry Potter" will never be considered among the classics (this was a point that many of the posters conceded)... how do you know that? "Alice in Wonderland" was simply a story told by Lewis Carroll to the children of a family friend. It did not start out as some great story, just a story to entertain some little girls. It eventually was published and now is considered a literary classic. Who's to say the "Harry Potter" series won't be considered a classic a few years from now? William Shakespeare was a highly regarded playwright in his own time, but was not elevated to the standard he now holds until the 1800s. Maybe 3 centuries from now high school students will be reciting lines from Harry Potter instead of Macbeth!

A classic is not created overnight... it is something that stands the test of time.
Arabella Doreen Figg and
Capricorn made the comparison of good food/music/literature from different "genres" (I don't think food can have a genre!) It was said that even though the Beetles cannot be compared to Mozart, doesn't mean the Beetles are a 2nd rate music group. And there are some less-than-5-star restaurants that may not get a dish technically right, but will have a flavor combination that makes their dish better than what you get at the finest restaurant. The same holds true for JKRs work. No, you cannot compare her with Voltaire or Shakespeare, but that does not mean her writing isn't as good.
I will have to admit that it took me sooo long to read the HP series (I didn't read it until March 2007) because I had listened to too many nay-sayers about the books. I read the SS out loud to my son and fell in love with the series. I really had been meaning to read the series for about 3 years before I actually started reading it (once you have kids it's hard to find that kind of time

), but if I had started reading it when the hype started (late 1990s) I could have enjoyed the stories for so much longer! It sounds like the author of the article in question should just bite the bullet and read the books! I have a feeling she'll like them ("Green Eggs and Ham"!)
Layla.
Aug 17 2009, 11:30 AM
Okay, she doesn't like Harry Potter (I bet she didn't even bother to read a single page of at least one book), but then why is she writing a full article about
that? Many people don't like a lot of things that others like (besides Harry Potter, there also is the Twilight saga, etc..) and doesn't feel the urge to write a full article about 'how I hate that because of that and that...'... She clearly hasn't got a brain, since she risked a lot by posting such an article with such a headline, because I really do believe there are lots more Harry Potter fans rather than haters.... My opinion. I bet she got a lot of hate mail for that... And I mean an
awful lot of hate mail.
AryaForce
Oct 23 2009, 08:14 PM
Unfortunately the article is not there for me to read. However sounds to me she has only seen the films and skimmed through them or something or just hates popular series craze or something. I don't think her article is going to be number one on any list that is for sure.
JuicyWitch
Oct 25 2009, 10:29 PM
Awww, too bad the article is a "404" right now. But she has her own opinion, however, if what she provides to her statement doesn't make any sense, then she really should keep to herself. I knew a girl in my class that hated Harry Potter(funnily, she was the cast outcast...and was very weird. Weirder than Luna Lovegood, because she...you just had to see her to know what I mean.) She said Harry Potter is "cliche" and stupid &she could think of something better. She said Inkheart, Inkspell Inkdeath are all better and more original. (Yeah sure Inkheart's original. Unfortunately, everytime I try to enjoy it again without skim-reading it, I don't...) She also said Deltora Quest is better (THAT, in my opinion is cliche! My little brother used to read it and I made fun of him for it! It was a stupid story in my opinion...it was way too...easy to read and everything from the plot to the characters were easy to predict. But sorry if you're a fan of them, that's just my opinion.)
Maybe these people really did read HP & thought it was just too simple for them. You never know what kind of personality & mind they have. To each his own, ya know? But I disagree with this person, because I love HP! As for this lady's article, I really can't comment since the article has been removed. But if she really does not have a point and her reasons are loosey, then...well, we know not to listen to her don't we? Just a joke to her, so just a joke to us.
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