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El cheeser puff
(NOTE: All info is taken from GoF american edition)


Ever since I've read GoF I've had this idea floating around in my head that Harry can not only talk to snakes, but also talk to dragons. Even though I always thought this was a cool idea, I never really found that it would be something used in the remaining books to come. But now that I've seen the box art for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows (seen here) I think it is safe to say that dragons will be involved in the final book of the Harry Potter series.

In GoF we see the second appearence of a dragon in the entire series in the form of a Hungarian Horntail. Now the whole basis for my theory comes from reading "The First Task" where Harry is flying around the dragon. During this 'battle' Rowling writes several things that caught my eye.

The first one was on page 355
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He flew higher. The horntail's head rose with him, her neck now stretched to its fullest extent, still swaying, like a snake before its charmer....

When I first read this, I thought how peculiar it was that Rowling used a term that had to deal with snakes. (seeing as how Harry is a parsletongue)

The next quote is on page 556
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"Come on," Harry hissed, swerving tantalizingly above her, "Come on, come and get me ... up you get now..."

What caught my attention in this line was that Harry "hissed" these words. Every time anyone has spoken parstle tongue in the Harry Potter series it has been described with a hiss. More so, as soon as Harry said these words, the dragon listened to him.

Now that I have layed down some evidence, I'd like to show my true theory. Its either one or two things. Either Dragons fall under a species related to snakes and that is why Harry was able to speak to it, or Harry has a whole seperate ability to speak to dragons. (it was said in the past books that some Wizards are able to speak to certain animals).

Now, if either of these things are true then we can understand better why Harry is riding a dragon in Deathly Hollows. (viewed here).

If you have anything to comment on this theory, please do.

~Alec
The Infamous Fish
Oh man, I don't know if I would be very excited or very dissapointed if that were true. Too eragon? I don't know.

At any rate, it is an interesting theory. I was very sceptical when I started reading what you had to say, I'll admit. However, it would explain how the trio were able ride a dragon, albeit a blind one. It's actually, as odd a theory as it may be, the best theory I've heard about how the trio could be riding a dragon. Some of your evidence is thin, very much on the borderline for how much is too thin for rowling. She does put in some very well-hidden clues, but this is almost on the verge of too thin. However, it is plausible and explains the dragon thing so nicely that I will put it in the "a definite possibility" category.

By the way, I'm going to link to this thread in the cover art thread. This is a seperate issue, but is related.

-Fish
lukeuk
erm. i dont know its interesting and i dont really know what to say but i really wanted to comment on it as it is a verry good theory and i would like to say my congratulations that you spotted those perticular words in the text. But i cant see this happening maybe the dragon in norbert or maybe a taimed dragon but then again in fantastic beasts and where to find them it says dragons are untrainable (XXXXX) so i dont know. well thought out theory!
etphonehome
This is one of those theories that I will no dismiss out of hand. I read a book a while ago, called The Serpent Grail, which talks about things like The Holy Grail, Serpent Worshinp, The Philosophers Stone and other similar 'Mythologies'.

It is also well known that dragons and snakes are in the same class as it were, especially in Chinese lore. So, it stands to reason that parseltongue works on both creatures.

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The Chinese, when they encountered the term naga in Buddhist scripture, translated it as lu or lung which means 'dragon' and so in China the ancient dragon concept took on a broader significance.


This excerpt is from an article I found on the web here. It's interesting also don't you think that the term naga is used and we also find Voldemorts own pet is named' Nagini'. Hardly a coincedence.

Read the article, you will find some quite interesting references.
The Infamous Fish
Oh, you sparked an idea! what if the dragon is a chinese fireball! what if it is limited ot particular breeds of dragons? The dragon certainly looks vaugely chinese, and (as I'm sure has been pointed out in the cover art thread) matches the description on HP Lexicon about the fireball:

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Chinese Fireball (Liondragon)
native to: China
habitat: mountains (?)
appearance: scarlet with a fringe of golden spikes around its face
eyes: protruding
flame: mushroom-shaped
food: pigs, humans
eggs: vivid crimson speckled with gold


Now, I don't know where they got this description. Is it from GoF, does anyone know? At any rate, if it was that the power was limited to the Fireball due to its snake-ish origins, then perhaps that's why they can fly it.

Interesting. I like this theory more and more...
Sirren
Savingharry: the following is directly from Fantastic Beasts & Where To Find Them.

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DRAGON
M.O.M Classification XXXXX

Probably the most famous of all magical beasts, dragons are among the most difficult to hide. The female is generally larger and more aggressive than the male, though neither should be approached by any but highly skilled and trained wizards. Dragon hide, blood, heart, liver and horn all have highly magical properties, but dragon eggs are defined as Class A Non-Tradeable Goods.

There are ten breeds of dragon, though these have been known to interbreed on occasion, producing rare hybrids. Pure-bred dragons are as follows:

ANTIPODEAN OPALEYE

The Opaleye is a native of New Zealand, though it has been known to migrate to Australia when territory becomes scarce in its native land. Unusually for a dragon, it dwells in valleys rather than mountains. It is of medium size (between two and three tonnes). Perhaps the most beautiful type of dragon, it has iridescent, pearly scales and glittering, multi-coloured, pupil-less eyes, hence its names. THis dragon produces a very vivid scarlet flame, though by dragon standards it is not particularly aggressive and will rarely kill unless hungry. Its favourite food is sheep, though it has been know to attack larger prey. A spate of kangaroo killings in the late 1970s were attributed to a male Opaleye ousted from his homeland by a dominant female. Opaleye eggs are pale grey and may be mistaken for fossils by unwary Muggles.

CHINESE FIREBALL
(sometimes known as Liondragon)

The only Oriental dragon has a particularly striking appearance. Scarlet and smooth-scaled, it has a fringe of golden spikes around its snub-snouted face and extremely protuberant eyes. The Fireball gained its name for the mushroom-shaped flame that bursts from its nostrils when it is angered. It weighs between two and four tonnes, the female being larger than the male. Eggs are a vivid crimson speckled with gold, and the shells are much prized for use in Chinese wizardry. The Fireball is aggressive but more tolerant of its own species than most dragons, sometimes consenting to share its territory with up to two others. The Fireball will feast on most mammals, though it prefers pigs and humans.

COMMOM WELSH GREEN

HEBRIDEAN BLACK

HUNGARIAN HORNTAIL

NORWEGIAN RIDGEBACK (Baby Norbert)

PERUVIAN VIPERTOOTH

ROMANIAN LONGHORN

SWEDISH SHORT-SNOUT

UKRAINIAN IRONBELLY


Should anyone want the other eight descriptions, I will include them, if asked.
keith
wow normally I'd be the person to say,"Thats really dumb what kind of proof is there that he could talk to dragons?" though i have to say thats either a coinsidence or there is actually something there showing he can talk to snakes.JK chooses her words carefully and those words do interest me.That could also explain the extra arwork that was released showing him on a dragon.This is a really interesting theory.
*dementor*
Very sharp eyes, that really is interesting, and in my opinion, the words used were thought out carefully and not a mere coincidence colliding with the parseltongue fact. It should be useful, however, we have never been given any indications of any sort that wizards are capable of communicating with dragons using a different language, as far as i recall, so it would be a new thing.

If this theory is correct, then i ponder on the purpose of him communicating with dragons, and how it will help him...

Thanks for that post El Cheeser Puff, very deep and well noticed. smile.gif

~Vian
rebicka
I am just reading on Wikipedia about dragons.
This is great theory! cool.gif

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The Latin word for a dragon, draco (genitive: draconis), actually means snake or serpent, emphasizing the European association of dragons with snakes, not lizards or dinosaurs as they are commonly associated with today


and there is something about some particular dragons

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The Chinese dragon (spelled Long in transliteration), is a mythical Chinese creature that also appears in other East Asian cultures, and is also sometimes called the Oriental (or Eastern) dragon. Depicted as a long, snake-like creature with four claws, in contrast to the Western dragon which stands on two legs and which is usually portrayed as evil, it has long been a potent symbol of auspicious power in Chinese folklore and art. Like real world reptiles living in water, Chinese dragon controls water in an agricultural water-driven nation. This is the contrast of the western dragon, which controls fire to show its mythical power. The dragon is also the embodiment of the concept of yang (male) and associated with the weather as the bringer of rain and water in general. Its female counterpart is the Chinese phoenix.


four claws!? the dragon on picture has four claws!
and phoenix!!


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sárkánykígyó - Hungarian dragons
A giant winged snake, which in fact a full-grown zomok. It often serves as flying mount of the garabonciások (a kind of magician). The sárkánykígyó rules over storms and bad weather.


I do not understand every word here (zomok,..), but
serves as flying mount of the garabonciások (a kind of magician)??


QUOTE

In Asturian mythology the Cuélebres are giant winged serpents, which live in caves where they guard treasures and kidnapped xanas. They can live for centuries and, when they grow really old, they use their wings to fly. Their breath is poisonous and they often kill cattle to eat. Asturian term Cuelebre comes from Latin colŭbra, i.e. snake.


the dragon on picture is old..

wikipedia - Dragon
missmugglebethany
I like the others here was going to dismiss this but after reading and really thinking about it, it sounds like a good theory. Its the best i have heard so far from cover art. It sparks to me how a dragon will be involved! It is really hard for me to think that he can talk to a dragon, but with what everybody else has been saying who know?I cant wait to see!
Insomnia
I have to agree. That was a good observation, El cheeser puff. I had completely overlooked the significance of those words in GoF. We all know that JKR doesn't put things in accidentally. She must have had a reason to use that particular wording.

I think it could be quite possible that Harry will be able to speak to dragons. etphonehome clarified for us that snakes and dragons are in the same class.

The only thing that keeps me going back to the possibility that it isn't a real dragon but a animagus is its front "paws". They look too human like. Is there any description of a dragon that includes its "paws"? They don't even look like they have claws or anything.

Anyways, back on topic, if the dragon on the cover is a true dragon, I agree 100% that Harry has the ability to talk to them.
Muggle Slayer
When I read the title, i was think WHAT!!!
But then I read your explanation, and i must say I;m impressed on your picking up on that.

I dont know how possible it is, but at the same time i love the theory... maybe a dragon is going to be Harry's "new pet"

One question, where is the pic of them rideing dragons going to be... on the book, the box...? ... I have always love the artwork of the books, but the 5 and 6 are the best... but I like that pic with the dragons the best.
ohmyHP!
Someone is very observant! El cheeser puff, I never would've noticed that had you not pointed it out. Thanks!

I like the idea of this theory, but I personally don't believe it. My reasoning for this is simple---i don't think thats its a dragon on the cover. I think its threstal. But if I did think it was a dragon, I'd be all for this theory!! tongue.gif
The Infamous Fish
Well, we can't discuss the dragon on the cover here (as far as whether or not it is a dragon). We would need to discuss that over in the cover art thread. I would say, though, that the animal on the deluxe cover certainly looks like a dragon to me. It is not very horse-like, so I personally don't see it being a thestral. However, if anyone would like to discuss whether or not the dragon on the cover is a dragon or a thestral or an animagus or anything, let's go over here and talk about it. smile.gif

Let's assume for the sake of this thread that the dragon on the cover is an actual dragon. Perhaps that would make things easier? Remember, this thread is about whether or not Harry can talk to dragons, not about the dragon on the cover, per se. wink.gif

Anyway, here's my thoughts on why no one has found this out before.

Well, parsletongue is a very rare gift. Voldemort reckons that he and Harry and the first parslemouths to enter the school since slytherin himself. As well, dragons aren't exactly prevelant either, and are the kind of hideous beast people (even wizards) would normally set out to encounter very often. So, put those together, and it is entirely possible that a parslemouth has never met a dragon and thought to speak to it before.

As well, as was noted, the dragon on the cover appears to be a chinese fireball, so it could be that the scene from GoF is not a case of talking to dragons but you can talk to chinese fireballs since they are a more snakelike breed. limiting it to one breed would further explain it.

-Fish

El cheeser puff
wow, for some reason I thought this thread got closed, but I guess not! tongue.gif

Thank you all for your opinions and additional facts (particularly Rebika). I dont mean to be self centered, but with all this additional information I'm really thinking that this theory will hold.

I guess we'll just have to see in 3 days tongue.gif

~Alec
ana123
Hmm... That's a really interesting theory... I've never thought of that... Indeed i DID hear somewhere that as mythological creatures dragons are related to birds and snakes... That would explain everything. good observation!
crookshanks04
ok so at first i too was like no way but then i read on and am convinsed. so i noticed that nobody has said anything about the basilisk whic is another form of snake and here is what i found....


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They could be multi-headed like the Hydra,or they could shape-shift, using varied forms. The word "dragon" comes from the Greek "darkon" for serpent or great worm. It was the Greek perception of the dragon that became the prototype for the Western world. Dragons are often depicted as guarding treasuers or doorways to treasures, as in the spring next to the tree upon which hung the Golden Fleece or that which guarded the golden apples of Hesperides. This is often symbolic of hidden wisdom that is going to open up or a new threshold that you willl soon cross in your life. The Basilisk was a dragon of great virulence. It is cobra-like and often depicted as a terrifying creature. It breathed fire and had a deadly venom. It could kill with a look from its eyes. If a human encountered a basilisk and laid eyes upon the monster first, the human would live. If the basilisk saw the human first, the human would die. Many of the qualities of the basilisk & other dragon forms are symbolic. The perception that it could kill probably had as much to do with the shock of seeing something so strange & powerful as it did with the changes that would result in the individual's life & consciousness as a reslt of such an encounter.The death may reflect a death of some aspect of the individual's life.

As frightening as the basilisk dragon was made to appear, it had great magical properties as well. Its skin could repel snakes & spiders, and silver rubbed with its ashes would become gold. Crystal will reflect its deadly wision and its venom. It has been said that the eyes are the gateways to the soul, and it is through the basilisk form of the dragon that we learn how to read the true soul of individuals by looking into their eyes. This dragon has the knowledge of how to use the eyes to entrance to control.


so needless to say i believe....

also when i was searching for things about the basilisk i found out that the latin name for basilisk is... REGULUS... COINSIDENCE I THINK NOT.... so for those of you who think that the dragon on the cover may be an animagus... could it be regulus black?????
aberforth_rocks_my_socks
First I must start of by giving me kudos to el cheeser puff of course for seeing those words that none of us have seen. It is amazing that just 3 days til the book comes out this theory all of the sudden just explodes with supporters and after reading this thread I don't see why not. All of the research makes the evidence overwhelming. Like it was stated earlier, LV and HP may very well be the only parseltongues since Slytherin himself and as far as I know LV has never run into a dragon (I mean on what occasion would he?) so it seems perfectly natural for no one to even know that is a possibility.

Crookshanks04 you are an absolute genius. First the info you found on the basilisk is amazing. It looks like the Dragon is just as much a snake as the basilisk is seeing how it is a type of dragon and harry can talk to it. Furthermore what you found out, the meaning of Regulus' name is amazing. I don't see how with all this talk of Draco meaning dragon in latin this is the first we have heard of Regulus meaning basilisk. Absolute brilliance. I still am not convinced that the dragon is an animagus but I like the theory that it is Regulus much better than it being Draco. Well done.
El cheeser puff
Yes, I agree with you Aberforth, I dont think that the name references mean point to anyone being an animagus, but I do think that Rowling put them in purposefully to hint at the connection of charecters and the magical world.

Personally, I find all the 'tie-ins' Rowling does are amazing, she could probably fill a book with all the little easer eggs shes thrown in the Harry Potter series.

sorry to get so off topic there at the end tongue.gif

~Alec
crookshanks04
oh yes you guys i also agree about the animagus thing i just happend to find the connection BASILISK=REGULUS IN LATIN so i just suggested the animagus thing i dont nessisarily believe that myself.

i definatly think that harry can talk to dragons tho!!! i wonder if it would be a certain kind only???????????????? tho????
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