hi everyone.. firstly i would like to ask the mods if this is already being discussed elsewhere please lock the topic.

it just occured to me while going through j.k.rowling's site that there might be a chance of harry meeting godric in the 7th book. jkr has mentioned in her diary the giant squid is the world's largest animagus and rises out of the lake in the eleventh hour and transforms into godric gryffindor. and also she has taken the trouble to mention that godric was the most accomplished dueller of his time.now this animagus bussiness wouldn't be in the book if it wasn't part of central theme (ie the transformation takes place in harry's presence). I am also guessing that the interaction might even extend to some sort of duelling training.. i know harry and voldy can't duel at present but may be voldy tampers his wand or even if they duel without wands godric can reveal some tips or some such.

what do u think??

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well padfoot#3 i didnt know that the giant squid was an animagus???? (im going to have to check on that one)

but to the point really...i also think thaat harry will be in contact with Gryffindor here is why...

ok i think this works tell me what you think...

I THINK THAT THE SORTING HAT IS KEY TO FINDING THE GRYFFINDOR HORCRUXE!!!!! here is why...

1. thanks to the VTM home page we now know forsure that the first ownwer of the sorting hat was godric gryffindor!

2.we also know that JKR said that the sorting hat WAS NOT A HORCRUXE but that it does play a significant roll.

3. the sword is not a horcruxe becuase DD said that is wasnt and i beleive that nobody new of such a sword untill harry pulled it out of the hat.

4. DD didnt knew that the sorting hat belonged to gryffindor he says so when he tells harry that AS FAR AS HE KNOWS the only known relic of gryffindor is safe! (meaning that the hat is not one and neither is the sword because the reli he is refeing to is the hat and since only harry and DD know of the sword then it isnt one either)

5. also is it just coincidence that harry has missed the sorting every year (except the 5th) since his sorting but he runs into it several other times throughout the book (maybe the two songs that harry heard will have a clue or two)

ok so here is what i think...

i think that the sorting hat is the key to harry getting the gryffindor horcruxe. we now know that the sorting hats first owner was godric gryffindor himself. and i think that that is why harry was able to be able to pull gryffindors sword from the sorting hat. not because he is in gryffindor (he could have been in slytherin remember) but because the hat was gryffindors. that brings me to my next point, i dont think that sword existed when voldy went to appyl for the DADA job. i think that when he moved he was cursing the DADA job.

now we know that the sorting hat its self isnt a horcruxe because JKr told us, she also said that it would still play a significant roll. so i think that GODRIC GRYFFINDORS HAT (the sorting hat) is how harry is going to get the gryffindor horcruxe!!! he could possibly be contacting GG through the hat, jkr said somwhere that the founders were "speaking throught the hat"!!

what would he need to speak to GG for...well im thinking that he could ask GG what items he may have treasured (as we know voldy collects and uses treasures for his horcruxes) maybe helping harry to know what to look for and maybe where to look???

so yes i do think that harry could contact GG

if anybody needs a confirmation on the fact that the giant squid in the lake is Godric gryffindor (world's largest animagus) they can check jkr's website.its in her diary in the homepage itself.and also he is the wizard of the month in her website where she has revealed facts about him(see my prev post).

coming to the topic,crookshanks04, i totally agree with you that whatever relic harry is looking for, he will get it through the sorting hat. to give further testimony to your theory:

in COS, when fawkes gave harry the sorting hat(only hat) it is obvious that the sword is still in the headmaster's office.but when harry seeks help it transports the sword from the office to within itself.it is this behavior of the hat that could prove handy to harry. also i wonder if the hat can do this to only to godric's relics or all the other founder's posessions as well??? thought
provoking!!

giant squids live a long time then animagus or not, plus why would she tell is that?

voldysucks, welcome to VTM, please read the site rules (link in signature), one-liners are not allowed!

The wizard of the month is Godric Gryffindor, but it doesn't say there that he is a giant squid animagus. It does say, like you guys said, in the diary. But I'm not sold on it.

Rowling is talking about spoilers and how she doesn't want to ruin people's fun, and she appreciates certain sites that take action against this. Then she says:



1) She just got finished talking about spoilers, so why would she write a spoiler?

2) Gryffindor would be 1,000 years old or so, how is that possible?

3) How would he know who Harry is? Does he keep up with current events while in the water? Did he talk to Dumbledore from time to time? Where has he been this whole time? (Meaning, why hasn't he helped in the past when the school and students were in need?)

4) If he is alive, can you imagine other witches and wizards from his time walking around? Did he drink the elixir, or make a Horcrux, or do something else to remain alive and, apparently, well?

I think she was joking, but you guys can theorize of course

As for interacting through the hat, I do think its possible. It may be similar to talking to a portrait.

I think you all have good ideas.
But the thing is, why would Gryffindor be a giant squid? He was around a thousand years ago. How do you explain him still being alive? I'm sure that most wizards dont live for thousands of years. So just think about it, if Gryffindor was really the squid, why would JKR tell us that information?

El Barto, if u read the quote carefully she clearly wants to tell that amidst all the spoilers being bandied about, there may be a chance of someone coming up with the genuine spoiler...for instance this one. i agree with you that there might be a chance of her giving this in sarcasm to make light of those people coming up with these spoilers.However, she could have also given us a tiny taster of what is to come.just to get our curiosity on the edge(if it already isn't!!). i am not sure now how she meant us to take that information but it looks typically like the thing jkr would do. what do you think??

I agree with El barto. JKR was clearly jokeing. I think that she wanted to use in her statement one of the most unlikely things that could happen to obtain a comic effect after talking so seriously about spoilers and to make it clear for everyone that it's a joke.
As for the main question (if Harry could interact with GG) I think that it is possible to find a portait or an item that works similar to a portrait through which he could "contact" GG, in a way...but I don't think that GG lives and that he will interact directly with Harry.

PS: Sorry for my English!

Ok, I see what you mean, the way I interpreted it was that she was talking about spoilers and jokingly throws something in there. I think the way you saw it (I don't mean to put words in your mouth or keystrokes in your fingers), was that she's talking about spoilers and purposefully put one in. I suppose neither of us can be 100% sure until the book comes out, so, in my opinion, it then becomes 50% joke/fake and 50% real/peak our interests.

Here is the entire diary section (English version) just in case. Make your own assumption and choose which side you want to be on (Just kidding).

i think you guys are right.. besides if he really was an animagus he should be able to transform at will. so its my mistake.Man! i'm disappointed. i guess my curiosity levels have crossed saturation!!

Padfoot#3, don't let us shut down your curiosity or imagination! Like I said, we really won't know for sure until its written about (or not) or Rowling straight out says "I wasn't joking when I said Gryffindor is an animagus squid and lived for so long" (or something similar). 50-50 chance, right?

And I researched the squid and from what I read, they only live in saltwater (also assuming the Black Lake is fresh water).

Well, as I said on another thread, I do believe that there is something to the giant squid. I find it hard to believe that it will be GG because of the age, but maybe it will turn out to be someone. I'm just not sure who. I had thought it possible to be Regulus until it was pointed out that the timeline didn't fit. Regulus was still alive when the squid was mentioned in "Snape's worst memory". It is questionable since the squid seems to be mentioned in every book.

Personally, if GG does interact with Harry, I think he will do it through the Sorting Hat along with the other founders because JKR did say that the founders speak through the Hat.

And padfoot#3, I agree with El Barto. You need to stick with your curiosity and imagination and theories for that matter. No one on here knows the truth yet, and until we read the book or JKR says for herself, every theory is a possibility. However, the truth will be told very soon now!

yes even i feel there is something fishy about the squid.. i would like to draw your attention to one incident mentioned in GOF:

this happens in the part where jkr is introducing the character of dennis creevey(younger one).
When he was on his way to the castle through the lake(first year), he falls off the boat into the lake.then the squid gets him on the boat again.. now this could be a trivial thing, but jkr has made vital clues look trivial. I, for one, am curious whether Dennis being a muggle born is a coincidence.we know that Godric stood for muggle-wizard indiscrimination. However as LittleRed7771, mentioned squid being Godric seems far-fetched. i am just wondering if godric actually had some connection to squid. for instance, slytherin left behind a basilisk as a remainder of what he stood for.. so why not Godric? ofcourse, again the lifespan of a suid is debatable..they live upto 80 years.. but to compensate their life span they have high rate of reproduction. so may be it was GG who planted the first squids in the lake

Thats possible and I don't see any reason why it wouldn't happen (Gryffindor putting squid in the lake). Would it help to keep himself attached to the school somehow? I know squids have eyes like humans, perhaps there is some connection there. I looked through wikipedia and other sites, trying to find some form of connection that could possibly be forged but I don't think we have enough information on Gryffindor to make any (which is weird because there are all sorts of theories on Grindelwald). I was trying to think of other times in which the squid interacted with the characters, too. This was at HPL:



Do you also think there is more to the squid than meets the eye when it comes to actually living in the lake? I thought squid only live in salt water

EDIT:

Just noticed that my last post in here was on July 4th at 12:35PM, and I posted this at 12:35AM (thats Pacific time).

I was disagreeing with you (padfoot#3) on whether the statement of JKR was only a joke or not, but now the new theories with which you came up are indeed drawing my attention.
I still don't believe that GG is actually the giant squid, but this theory about the giant squid being planted there by GG like Slytherin had left behind the basilisk well...this is another story. I think that this theory has its chances.

The basilisk was like a giant snake and we know that it belonged to Slytherin.
It probabily doesn't mean anything, but I noticed this detail (giant squid/giant snake) and I thought to share it anyway.
Also, if the analogy continued I think that as Slitherin had an evident connection with snakes (for instance the fact that he was a parselmouth), GG would have a connection with squids. So that would be the question: what would relate GG with the squid? A characteristic of his or an ability that he had...maybe.
But as El Barto said we don't have too much information on GG to know that...

Also...

I thought that too, El Barto...If this is true (I don't have time to investigate it right now) then it is strange that it lives in a lake.
Congrats padfoot#3 and El Barto for your theories!:)

I think its pretty clear that JKR was joking on her site.
i dont think the squid is Godric but that doesnt mean there isnt some connection. Maybe he was a pet like Fluffy! He seems pretty well inclined to the students anyway.
About the salt water thing, isnt the Black Lake actually a scottish loch? And arnt they salt water? Im not sure on that but I think so. Hmm its full of grindylows isnt it? Are they salt or fresh water? that might explain it. I thought merpeople were salty too! the 'mer' bit comes from the french for sea doesnt it?
in not sure that the squid will play a part in book 7.

I never knew any of that either. All I knew that seemed like a coincedence was that godric gryffinder and godric's hollow had the same name.

i was thinking while reading this if a squid lives 80 years what if being attached to somthing magical it can live for much longer. just a thought