Watching PoA earlier this week, thinking about the possible foreshadowing that JKR was talking about, something struck me.

You know in that interview, she said that things are said in the film that people will look back on and think - wow, they must have put that in there as foreshadowing, and that certain lines gave her shivers...or something along those lines?

Well, remembering that this was said way before HBP, Fred and George, in PoA just after Harry falls off his broom, say something along the lines of, 'Leave him alone, Ron. Let's take you up to the top of the Astronomy Tower and hurl you off, see how good you look afterwards.'

I heard that and I thought, yeah, if I were JKR, and I knew Dumbledore's fate two years ago when the film came out, I'd be sitting there grinning at the accuracy of that little quip too

I'm wondering if the foreshadowing was just something as simple as that. Totally random thought, I know, but I just thought I'd mention it...

Wow, Louise, great find! I am sure that must be the bit of foreshadowing dialogue that JK Rowling was referring to. It is very ironic, actually, that the scriptwriters would choose such a random fate for the Weasleys to threaten Ron with, and it actually comes true later on in the series. With another character, at least....Close enough!

I wish I had the GOF DVD...reading this thread is making me very anxious to find some answers! Of course, Louise's suggestion seems totally viable. I just have a strange feeling that there might be something else ... perhaps a bit less subtle ... that we just have not caught on to. I cannot imagine for the life of me what it could be, though.

And feathermade -- I am pretty sure I read that in an interview, as well. I will go check the Lexicon to see if I can find it anywhere, but it definitely rings a bell!




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I think that one of the things in the PoA that Alfonso accidently forshadowed to is when Buckbeak protects Harry and Hermione and then in HBP Buckbeak proctect Harry from Snape. I thought, wow when read it.

I want to go back to this quote in the OP, because it reminds me of something I posted elsewhere a couple days ago ... let me find it ... ah here it is:



If you take the two quotes together, it may be that Lupin's line is suggesting that Lily helped make a potion similar to the one Snape was making him, thus foreshadowing the discussion of Lily's potions talents in Book 6 and possible revelation of her 'job' in Book 7.

I'm going to rewatch the film and revisit this topic.

I agree with Amyrat151, the one thing I noticed that was in POA movie that was not in the book (or obvious), but then happened in a later book (Half Blood Prince), was Buckbeak defending Harry!

In the movie, he fought the werewolf.

In Half Blood Prince, he attacked Snape.

Either it was an incredbile coincidence, or JKR stole the idea. Considering her comments, it would appear to be the coincidence.

Not earth shatteringly important mind you, just incredible.

The more I think about it, the less I think the answer is Buckbeak or the Lupin/Lily lines. JKR is specifically referring to Cuaron who directed the film -- not wrote the screenplay. Unless he changed some lines on the fly (which I doubt, considering how tightly watched the screenplay is), the answer to the puzzle is in his direction, that is, the things he shows us that aren't in the screenplay.

Of course, unless we have a copy of the shooting script (a text writeup of what was actually said won't help), we can't say for sure what that could be. But I'm inclined to think Snape standing in front of the children might be one of those things. At the very least, that's one of the things we should look for.

Still haven't rewatched it, but when I do shortly I'm going to keep a close eye on what is shown, not what is said.

Right, watched it. Here's what I thought (most of these were brought up previously, I don't take credit for them):

1) They didn't explain how Lupin knew what the Marauder's Map was! Or who Proudfoot, Prongs, etc. were! Or the significance of the steer patronus! Or ... whoops, wrong topic.

Ahem, let me try again. I've assigned likelihoods that JKR was referencing them in her quote.

1) Hermione is very touchy-feely towards Ron. She grabs his wrist in one scene, and she hugs him when Buckbeak is killed (and third wheel Harry is forced to awkwardly hug Hermione from behind). The book doesn't it make it anywhere close to being obvious. This gets a "very likely" from me.

2) Snape protecting the children. This gets a "likely" from me as the book *definitely* doesn't have this ... however, it's possible it was written in the script that way.

3) There is no third thing.

4) Buckbeak attacking Lupin. I think the screenwriter must've put this in there, so I don't think Cuaron deserves credit for this. "Unlikely"

5) The one other thing I saw which I thought was odd/different was how Cuaron showed the physical representation of Sirius' soul leaving him and hovering above his body. It was interesting to see the soul shown in such a fashion, and when considering the Horcruxes in Books 6 and 7 it would be interesting if the other film directors use this imagery for Voldemort's soul. I would rate this "Possible, but interesting regardless"

6) Lupin and Lily. They took out the fact that Snape is making potions for Lupin entirely from the film (screenplay?), and Sirius is aware of Lupin's potions ... which means the potions predate Sirius' incarceration in Azkaban. This gives more credence to the idea that Lily was a potions master ... however, again, we have to wonder if this is the screenwriter's fault more than Cuaron's. Even so, I'm going to have to give this a "likely" because it's such a change that one is hard-pressed to think it's an accident.

Now, I've mentioned that the screenwriter might be more responsible than Cuaron ... but we should also consider the possibility JKR's comments kinda embrace the script as well (I don't know how involved Cuaron was in the writing of this film). But I think these 6 5 items are the ones JKR was thinking about when she made her comment.

Here’s my notable visual moments

When Draco is injured it’s Hermione who comes forward looking concerned about his injury and pleads with Hagrid to help him. Can’t ignore that hot boy I see. An experienced director would know human behaviors pretty well and know Draco is rather irresistible to the girls.

There’s another visual moment not in the book. In the Shrieking Shack Snape is blasted into a bed. There’s no bed in the book! Is this supporting my Peeves theory or what? Say what?

I’d guess when Lupin wasn’t a werewolf the Shrieking Shack became the Marauders "Love Shack’.

How about the fact that Lupin has scars on his face in the movie and that in HBP Bill suffers facial wounds that we are told will never heal properly courtesy of the same werewolf who bit Remus?

Furthermore, without potentially saying too much about what I suspect this may be foreshadowing, I'd just like to point out the moment in which Lupin throws himself between Harry and "dementor" in the classroom -- also a moment that does not occur, at least in that form, in the book -- and suggest that we should perhaps be looking for something symbolically similar in Book 7.

Woot! Im a little late, whats that gonna do ohwell, time to bring up a two month old topic.

Anyways in Divination class when they all figure Harry has the grim, well Ron says before


Are they foreshadowing Harrys death? Or an heroic deed that made him suffer to save another. As Capricorn says a noble deed.

Your thoughts?

You guys have come up with really some interesting stuff and am not sure that I can think of much more. But I came across something on a website that had some portions that were removed from the movie. This was the scene where Harry, Ron and Hermione and headed out and Ron and Hermione were arguing over whether Crookshanks ate Scabbers or not. The deletd portion had them try and involve Harry into this and Harry being on an edge whirls around and addresses both of them saying "I don't care about your cat nor about your rat". After a moments silence Ron replies something like "Gee mate, a guy could get killed being your friend". Sounds uncannily prophetic. I wonder if this was one of those instances

I was thinking of when Buckbeak shields Harry and Hermione from Lupin is like when Buckbeak sheilded Harry from Snape. Also when Hermione graps Ron's hand in both HBP book and PoA movie. Hermione quickly lets go in a moment after.

i watched again POA and i think when sirius whispers to harry from the crystal ball is not in the book?
if sirius talks to harry from beyond the viel through his mirror in 7 it would definitley have give JKR the chills!

Harry New Year, everyone!! (a Dobby sense of humour I have today, lol)

So, I too have been checking for clues since I heard JKRowling saying that Cuaron had put, without knowing it, some in POA movie, and I think we can consider:

1) The fact that Cuaron wanted first to put a graveyard next to Hagrid's cabin, and that Jo said "no", because the graveyard was somewhere else in the castle and was going to be important...bla bla bla, usual stuff, lol.

2) At one moment, when Harry sees Peter Pettigrew's name on the Marauders Map, we've got a glimpse of some circular room called "The Room Of Doom". Well, I don't know wether we can rely on that or not but that's certainly a place we've never heard about...

3) The Lupin-talking-about-Lily stuff: "Your mother was there at a time when no one else was. Not only she was a singularly gifted witch, she was also an uncommonly kind woman. She had a way of seing the beauty in others, even and most especially when that person could not see it in themselves", wich I think is related to what Jo said about revealing something huge about Lily in book 7. The " most especially when that person could not see it in themselves" makes me think about Snape a lot.

4) The scene between Harry and Lupin, when they are walking in the forest might have been one of the scenes that gave chills to Jo: "The Dementors seemed to have developped a particular interest in you". Harry would be very interesting indeed if he was carrying a horcrux in him, that is to say an other bit of soul...So a 2-souled person, for a dementor, well...

5) The "memory" Harry says he's been using to repel the boggart-dementor. It's completely different from the book, because he was thinking of his parents "Seing their faces. They were talking to me. That's the memory I chose. Idon't even know if it's real. But it's the best I have." We're making circles around the key of how to find the powers to destroy Voldemort...

6) This one is, I think, perhaps the most important clue (but maybe that's because I am actually so fond of him, lol): The Snape stuff in the end of the movie (Shrieking Shack + Werewolf scene). If we compare both the book version and the movie version: In the book, we've got a slowly-growing-hysterical-&-insane-Snape, and his and Harry's first real argument (the second one coming in the end of HBP...). In this scene, Snape is a kind of the hero of the day, the one who came and rescued the trio: "I Have just saved your neck, you should be thanking me on bende knee!"; In the movie, Snape is quite calm (delighted to see his favourite old married couple), he doen't shout at all. In the second scene, (book), Snape is unconscious during the werewolf scene, and when he wakes up, it's all Harry, Ron, Hermione and Sirius who are un conscious. In the movie, he is awake and arrives when Lupin is transforming into a "furry little problem", with the intention of finding Harry and shouting a lot at him (he doesn't see Lupin at first, so we've got this "There you are, Potter!"), but at the very moment he sees him, he seems to forget anything about quarelling with Harry and protect the trio with his body (especially Harry at one moment). Actually, he could just have let the werewolf kill the trio, and then tell a there-was-nothing-I-could-do story to Dumbledore, couldn't he? But his reaction is instinctive, he just protect them, without even thinking; he's not acting "on Dumbledore's orders", but on his subconscious-or smthg- ones.
I think this reaction is very similar to the one in the end of HBP: He stupefy Flitwick, and he tells Luna & Hermione to go and stay with him because he collapsed. This is not really a very Death Eater-ish way to act, what do you think? Would it have been Lucius or Bellatrix, they would have killed the three of them, because it would have been much more simple... But once again, Snape chooses to protect them. So perhaps Snape protecting the trio in POA movie was a clue about HBP (or perhaps book7, we'll see)?

7) About the "the ones we loved never really leave us, you can always find them- in here" is quite interesting if you put it this way: imagine for a moment that we are talking about the Room full of a power Harry possesses in such quantities, in the Departement of Mysteries... [And then Harry manages to open that bloody door, and suddenly James, Lily, Sirius & Dumbledore come out, "I hope you didn't rush on my account?..."Lol, I'd rather kill myself rather than reading that in Book 7] But anyway, these words Sirius says might be the clue wich will turn out to be the key helping Harry finding the powers needed to get us rid of U-NO-POO...

8) This one is not from POA, but from GOF. I know Jo didn't say anything like POA stuff about this movie, but I think it might be interesting, as she told Alan Rickman secret(s) about Snape: it happens just before the champions enter the maze; Dumbledore says "Professor Moody placed the Triwizard Cup deep within the maze", and at that very moment, Snape has a little smile (sneering, more like). Well, I must admit I don't really like the sound of it...I really dunno what to think about that, because in the book Snape does not seem to realise that Moody is not Moody but Barty Jr, so...

Well, I know it's always better to make theories from the books rather from the movies (except with POA), but I still think we can sometimes rely on the actors' interpretaion (especially on dear Alan Rickman's, hmm...) and on what they are saying (when it's a little different from the books)...Anyway, anything will be good to keep us busy till July, lol...

I dont know if this one has been said but I believe its fred or george that says it when harry falls off his broom, and ron comments that he doesnt look to good one of the twins says " lets throw you off the astronomy tower and see how you look" or something to that effect. We all know what that foreshadows.

What about the partonus?? In the book, then patronus is just in the form of the stag which drives just one dementor at a time, but...in the film, its a huge force field of a patronus, which drives away more than one dementor at one time.

What does everybody think?

Vortext, there is a bed in the shrieking shack. Ron was on it when he broke his leg, remember? Read again and it'll be there (Unless something strange happened and the words disappeared).

I don't know what it could be, but obviously i'll have to watch it again to see. One thing that confused me was that clock-why on earth did they put in a clock? There's no clock in the books-so why waste money on a set that's not even in the books? Because it forshadows something? Maybe.

Maybe it's forshadowing more time-travel. I dunno, just guessing.

there's a part in the movie that is not in the book
in the DADA class snape asks about the werewolves and hermione said something like :"they only answer to their own kind's call....they can attack their best friends"
and later in the movie she calls lupin and he goes to where she is

As I said earlier the foreshadowing of Dumbledore's Death. I found another thats pertinent to the 7th book. The part that Lupin goes on and on about Lily and how he knew Harry was Harry because of his eyes. I believe that this is what we will learn about Lily in book seven as we are supposed to gain more knowledge about her. I think that we will learn that Remus had a thing for her or maybe that they were even dating before James dated her. If you look at his face when he is talking about her...he looks almost wistful, and like he misses her so much it pains him. I think that if he infact was 'just a friend' then he wouldn't feel like that. Also he says that she was always there for him and that she was a great person and friend. ANd he hasnt dated anyone since..I know he doesnt want people to be involved with him because hes a warewolf but what if its really because he still likes Lily. AM i overanalyzing this?? or does anyone agree..
I also wonder what Remus' happy moment is when he gets rid of the dementor?? Does that have anything to do with Lily??

I've always seen the Lily-Lupin help connection as the big clue that Alfonso put in there. I think that is going to come up in Deathly Hallows, seeing as JKR said that we would learn something very important about Lily in number seven.

"Your mother was there at a time when no one else was."
FoS , i give you credit for bringing this up in your #3, but i have ideas about it also and i want to elaborate. We know that something big about Lily is going to be revealed in book seven and we know something is special about harry having her eyes. Going back to the line, the key is that Lupin says "no one else" , meaning even dumbledore could not do that thing for Lupin. Also in that same quote you gave, FoS, maybe JK also got the idea that "seing" could have meant literally, something to do with Lilly's eyes. So with Lily's special power or whatever she has that is going to be revealed in the book seven, she did something for Lupin in his past that only she could do. That could be one reason why JK got chills because it could have been directly referring to Lily's special thing.

Sorry if this has been suggested before, or if it is just too crazy, but, well, here goes:
JKR said two die in the 7th book that she didn't intend to die
Hermione feeds Buckbeak a dead ferret in the movie, but not the book
Draco is turned into a ferret in the 4th book
Does this mean that Draco dies?

Also,
In the scene when everyone's in the Great Hall after Sirius was in the castle, DD says something along the lines of, “In dreams we have the power to swim across the deepest ocean, or fly over the highest cloud.”
Directions to horcruxes, such as the Ravenclaw horcrux, supposedly associated with the element air ('fly over the highest cloud')?

All comments are welcome.

In the POA movie in the scene where Trio is in the shack with Sirius and Remus, didn't Hermione exclaim to Remus something along the lines of, "I trusted you" (I paraphrase) indicating somehow that she had been keeping Lupin's secret (that he is a werewolf) and maybe even helping him out somehow. Hermione is a lot like Lily, isn't she?!

well snape does say "look at u two arguing like married couple"

odd thing to say.. isn't it?

Oh my Gosh! I wonder if this is the statement that gave JKR 'goosebumps' over what she felt captured a 'foreshadowing' in her future books. Gawd, I certainly hope not.

I must admit though, Ron and Hermione DO argue like some old married couples. Married couples on their way to divorce court that is! To me, Ron and Hermione are a lot like Alec Baldwin (ewww! cough, gag!*#@*!) and his now ex-wife, Kim Basinger! Together, they are nothing but trouble with a capital "T".

First, the no one else line. I took this to mean that she was empathetic. She understood the difficulty Lupin faced. His friends sympathized, but Lily empathized.

Secong, the married couple. Whatever your opinion on Ron/Hermione as a couple, it is going to happen. The books leave no doubt about that now. But I do not think this is what caused the shivers down JK's spine.

She spoke with the makers of the first and second movies (obviously). The scene at the end of Chamber of Secrets where Ron and Hermione find it too awkward to hug was put in the movie because JK informed the makers that it would be Ron and Hermione in the end. I don't think foreshadowing in the third movie would surprise her then.

In an interview JK Rowling had said that there was something in the movie version of Prisoner of Azkaban that had foreshadowing towards books 6 and 7.

Has anyone been able to figure out what we see in the movie that hints towards later actions? I have not been able to rewatch the movie since finishing DH but I am trying to think back and can't figure out what it could be.

Whether or not this is the thing I am not 100% convinced, but that's only because it was due to the fact that 2 dementors were after Harry.