hii everyone!
well i saw the 5th movie yesterday and i thought it was pretty good..they left out a lot of things but i know they cant put everything inside so i wont talk about that..but in a scene with the DA training..Cho used levicorpus on some little boy ( Nigel i think he was called)..but wasnt that spell learned in the 6th book? how come harry teaches them that in the 5th movie? why did they add that? that wasnt even in the book! or was that just a mistake? i just feel so angry that they put that..it's cool and everything..but they messed it up..not very bad..its ok if they cant put everything..but add something not necessary?
just wanna know your thoughts

Yea... that part bothered me too. I mean I don't mind them taking parts from the books out as they cannot fit a 800 page book into 2 hours and 30 minutes... but don't add things in there!

i thought that was the hovering charm, levicorpus hangs you up by your feet doesn't it?

Like they said in the sixth book, popular spells or hexes change over time, and come and go, so its really not a big deal, it was pretty cool when Nigel was floating, one thing I noticed though was that i thought when you perform that spell, your hung from your ankle upside down?

well yeh Bustos116, spells come and go, but harry potter didnt know about the spell in that book so maybe another person knew it....

I don't want to state the obvious, but it was part of the movie. I'm not entirely sure why they put it in there at that moment. Luna, I think, also uses it in the Department of Mysteries and her attacker goes flying through the air (or was it something else?)...which is not what that spell does. Maybe they put it in to make up for what wasn't really heard in Snape's worst memory?

I was really annoyed by the use of Levicorpus in the 5th movie for a few reasons.
Firstly, Levicorpus is only seen by Harry in Snape's worst memory used by his father on Snape but he doesn't know what the spell is because;
Secondly, Levicorpus is a non-verbal spell and Luna screamed it out and another character said it, and:
Thirdly, Levicorpus hangs you up by the ankle but in the movie it is shown as making the person hover.
Hopefully they don't make as many stuff ups in the next movie but overall the did pretty good.

I don't really think it's a big deal. Yeah, technically, it shouldn't have been used until the next movie, but JKR couldn't have had any objections to it or she would have said so. I don't really have a problem with it because it doesn't affect anything hugely in the plot - which are the only types of changes that I really object to.

And Snape was upside down in that memory, wasn't he?

well it wasn't anything big..i know that..i kind of agree with El Barto..they must have put it in because it couldnt have been heard in the snape's worst memory..i dont know..no wait..snape's worst memory was in the 6th book..wasnt it? i get so mixed up with these two books!! well harry did see a little of snape's memory in the 5th book during oclumens lessons..so maybe thats why because snape was hanged there by james..so yeah..but it wasnt necessary to the plot..harry didnt need to know it until the 6th book...so i really didnt know why put it..they want to shorten the movie but also gettin alot of the important details..so how come they got to put something from the 6th book into the 5th movie??it really makes me angry when they mess up the information from the books when making the movies!its alright when they take out the unimportant details but add something with no importance to the plot of the 5th book? very very wrong to me...

and i think that snape was hanged by his ankle in the memory in the movie..hmmm..yeah i think he was..

(SPOILERS FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT READ THE SIXTH BOOK!!!)

ok so ...

first, luna does use the spell in the DOM and so does cho in the ROR

second, i think that it is absolutly ourageous that they used LEVICORPUS in the fith movie!!! it totally undermines SNAPE and the relationship SNAPE and HARRY have!!!

third, SNAPE is the one who created that spell and harry uses it all year in the 6th year, but not because snape created it because the HBP created it (and his dad used it) !!! the HBP is a huge part of the sixth book (harry potter and THE HALF BLOOD PRINCE) it is such a huge plot line between harry and snape!! (once we find out SNAPE is the half blood prince!!)

Wouldn't you say that Sectumsempra is a stronger spell for highlighting the relationship between Snape, Harry and James though? Obviously they're going to have to include that as part of the story in the next film which I think is far more important than Levicorpus, for numerous reasons.

Levicorpus was part of OotP so it wasn't out of place. As far as creating spells goes, Sectumsempra says far more about Snape's character and is far more dramatic.

Of all the things in the movie to be irritated over, I really don't think that this is one of them.

You've got to understand that they're making a movie for everyone, not just Potter fans. Inevitably changes are going to be made according to the filmmakers wishes - they want to create something dramatic that's going to be cinematic to sell the film. They're goal isn't to be accurate to the book, but to get the story told and make as much money as possible. That's why changes are made.

wel yes Louise i agree and i wasnt saying that Sectumsempra should be left out or anything its just that ahrry uses levicorpus so much in the 6th book it si continually brought up.

also i understand that it is a movie and its is for everyone none the less but i just dint see why they needed to add that curse in there they could have sue plenty of others!!

also i kinda see why they would have wanted to put it in there because of the SNAPES WORST MEMORY SCENE. but they didnt really do that right ,and when cho uses it the boy just hovers but when luna uses it the death eater goes flying backwards. so if they were gonna insist on usung it they could have atleast used it in the right way and consistantly!!!

Levicorpus, should not be in the film, I totally agree,

isnt the floating charm Wingardium Leviosa? They have used different spells in the films before, but it kind of steps on the next film a bit.

Hmm well I'm with Lousie, I don't think it's that big a deal, in terms of sounds Sectumsempra is my favourite spell from the 6th Levicorpus isn't that important. They create and swap spells in the movies, in the second one finite incantartem is used to break the bludger and this is not used for this purpose in the book.

I'm sorry if this is wrong but in Snape's worst memory, as I thought that Levicorpus was used for levitation but as I was driving home yesterday I got my sister to flick through that chapter and in the movie they use Impedimenta in his memory which is what they use in the film also? She could have read the wrong part but that's what she told me thus meaning they used the right spell? I dont have my book on me right now so I cant check it but I was a littel confused when Luna did it at the DOM but I cant entirely rember the exact effect of the spell.

Well im am trying to look through the 5th book and wow thats hard!

ok well in Snape's worst Memory it doesnt say that Harry's dad says levicorpus but it says that Snape is hanging upside down, but before that Snape did the did the Sectumsempra spell but doesnt say that either! and in the movie i thought i remember seeing Snape upside down hanging, Im seeing the movie again in a few days so I'll come back to that.

ya and the part with the DA when Nigel (i cant remember how u spell that) is floating he was like hovering not hanging upside down! And also when Luna uses it in the DOM the guy goes flying backwards right? so thats different then wat Levicorpus does!

Thats wat i think!

~Gryffindor Girl!~

Yes, that was messed up!! I mean, they just can't have Levicorpus in the fifth movie (too late ), because THAT'S one of Snape's spells, a NEW one that none of them knew about that Harry just tested out, and it hit Ron, and everyone was like, "O_O!!" and so he was frantically flipping through it to find the countercurse! If he did it still in the sixth movie, and had him be all like, "O_O OMG!!" then the others would be like, "Uh...Harry...we practiced this in the DA meetings..." And he'd be like, "...oh. Right." So they've totally screwed that whole scene up, and I think it's rather important!

First off, I love your screen name Ginny *grins* Fits perfectly after finding out the ending eh?

Anyways, back on topic. I'm not that peeved off they used Levicorpus in the movies, just a bit..I don't irked by it. I know they have to change things and etc., but...no one knew about that spell. No one did until Harry finds it in the Potions book formerly owned by Snape. Like Ginny said, they'll have to cut that scene out now since it can't be that much of a shock if they've already been doing it. Harry can't find it in the book and say "Oh what does this do?" and do it non-verbally, cuz like Ginny say, it wouldn't make sense if they all acted surprised.

The one thing that irked me in the movie OotP with this spell is that they kept getting the spell wrong. They said it yes, but it was doing the wrong thing. Maybe that was to show that they didn't do something right? You know wand movement or incantation, at first i thought that then when Luna did it in the DoM and the DE got flown backwards I kind of went what?!?!?! so yeah they kind of messed it up just a bit. So we know one scene that won't be in there in the next movie. Awww and that would of been a funny scene too!

In the worse memory for Snape they did it right, James had Severus upside down, but that's like the only time you see him like that.

Oh well, we'll just have to wait and see *shrugs* glad i'm not the only one who was muttering about this after seeing the movie lol

Personally I think that they can get enough screen time out of various potions classes and of course Sectumsempra is a much more important plot spell than levicorpus. Levicorpus is just kind of entertaining. On anther note idk if its wise to expect accuracy from the movies anymore. Ever since the complete remodeling of hogwarts and the casting of the new dumbledore I have been somewhat disappointed with the movies. This fifth one however has been my favorite so far because they found a way to make the wizard battle really exciting, and character development was much more prevalent in this movie than in any of the others.

That in the movies (I just noticed it in OOTP when I saw it) that some characters should literally SAY more spells?

I originally thought to myself that during the battle between LV and DD, they should be yelling and shouting spells in anger etc.
But then I realised that no, DD and LV could definitely use non-verbal spells, and that it was fine the way it was.

But I think some of the younger characters should be shown yelling the spells when they're fighting or duelling someone. In the DoM, just before Sirius dies, Harry is kind of just going around shooting spells from his wand like he's firing a gun. I think in the books we usually hear (well.. read) what they're going to do because they haven't really mastered the non-verbal spells.

Anyway that's just something that bothered me a little bit during some of the fight scenes, and I'd like to know if anyone agrees?
Or if you all just think I'm crazy, which could be quite as likely.

i agree with you jetaglim. When harry and sirious were fighting togther harry wasnt saying any spells. Sirious wasnt but he knows how to use non-verbal spells.

i agree how could Harry be using non-verbal spells if he hasn't yet learned how to do it yet. I can understand why Sirius can but Harry doesn't learn how to use nonverbals til their 6th year.

Mmm' It didnt bother me I mean alot of spells arent said in the books so like I said it didnt bother me its not like you could use them yourself if you knew the words [which I think would be really kewl ].lol.

I don't know how I didn't catch that.... It must have been knowing what was comming up, but I completely missed that. Your totally right though about it, It just doesn't make any sense. *sigh* Just one more discrepency to add to the growing list.......

I had no objections with it.There can only be one CELEBRITY SPELL in a movie in order to not confuse the non-readers.

1st movie - Winguardium Leviosa
2nd movie - Parseltongue?
3rd movie - Expecto Patronum
4th movie - Avada Kedavra
5th movie - Stupefy!

and in the 6th movie, it'll be SECTUMSEMPRA. I think they introduced Levicorpus this early on so that Sectumsempra won't be overshadowed in the next movie.

Leaving aside the problem with Levicorpus being in OotP at all, I think the "knockback" effect when Luna uses it in the Ministry battle might be something for which a rationale can be concocted. Here's my desperate rationalization...explanation:

Levicorpus, when cast in the usual manner, is non-verbal. Might not that be as a way of controlling the power of the charm, of attenuating the effect? That is to say, addition of the verbal incantation might render the spell extremely difficult to control, at least for its intended purpose. When Luna, in the heat of battle, includes the verbal incantation, the spell is "turbocharged," as it were. The telekinetic effect is multiplied significantly, and in combination with her wand gesture, slams the target backwards.

Besides, this is Luna we're talking about here! It's not as if having everything turn out just a bit differently should surprise anyone!

I was wondering about Luna's Levicorpus spell, and how it's SUPPOSED to be non-verbal. Thanks for the answer apriori! I agree with your desperate rationalization... explanation. So like you said, Luna doing something different is normal!

I was under the impression that Levicorpus was a spell that would lift you up from your ankle and hold you upside-down in the air. Luna and Cho's version of it was just levitating the person off the ground. And Levicorpus was made by Snape. It's not a commonly known spell because SNAPE MADE IT UP. It was in the Half-Blood Prince's book, which is where Snape made up it up. So, obviously, Harry just happened to come across it a year early. Also, as people have said, Levicorpus is a non-verbal spell, but Luna and Cho say it (cleary, too).

the Death Eater into the air. I'm not too picky,but stuff like this bothers me.

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I was surprised seeing Levicorpus being used in the movie but it didn't bother me much. I think the filmmakers just wanted to make the DA practice lesson somehow more interesting or dramatic showing a variety of spells that can be used.

As for Cho using Levicorpus during the practice; we cannot be sure whether she uses the spell non-verbally, as we don’t the see her whole action. The camera catches her in mid-performance when Nigel already hovers in the air. And I’m actually convinced that the students are not practicing the spell non-verbally as when Harry walks around the Room and says that what really matters is believing in yourself, there is a distinct male voice heard saying Levicorpus and Nigel hovers in the air again, the same as he does when Cho is performing the spell on him. So yes, I think Cho's using Levicorpus too, but she doesn’t do so non-verbally. And practicing the spell verbally, instead of non-verbally as it is supposed to be, might lead to the changed affects it eventually has on its target.

Some of you have pointed out inconsistencies in the use of the spell, like hovering and being thrown backwards. Sadly to say, we have to get used to the details being changed or played with in the movies. Besides, it is not the only inconsistency in the movie. Now, it is a bit off topic I know, but other such inconsistent portrayal is that of Apparition. Once it is portrayed correctly with Fred and George and next time rather strangely with flying and mist effects of the Death Eaters and the Order members in the Department of Mysteries. But I must admit that although the movies do not follow exactly what is in the books, I very much like what I see on the screen regardless.

And I agree with LargeBlondeDeathEater that Harry-discovering-Levicorpus scene will have to be left out in the sixth movie. But then, I think it would have been left out anyway, as it is not that tremendously important for the plot, funny though it might be. And maybe that's the reason the filmmakers have introduced the spell already in the fifth movie and in situations that were more dramatic (DA practice and then in the DoM), because they knew the spell is somehow important, as it is one of Professor Snape's inventions, but also knew that there wouldn't be any space for it in the sixth movie.

~Jana

That is actually a good point - in each movie, a spell that assists in the climax of each novel. Only thing I disagree with is perhaps in the 2nd movie, the spell is Expelliarmus as that spell has great importance in the following movies too (like 4 and five, particularly).

I saw the movie for the third time just yesterday and it really bothered me! Not only because they learn the spell from the Prince's potions book in the 6th book AND NOT IN DA... Isn't it non-verbal, by the way? The say it out loud... weird.

The movie is 2 h 5 min, I think, they count the credits when they say 2,5 h.

Another screw-up by Yates!!!

Well Harry did see it from Snape's worst memory, but as it's (SUPPOSED TO BE) non-verbal, he wouldn't have known the incantation from it. So why???

We don't have a proper mention of the spell until book 6, and even then, Luna doesn't even use it! When she did use it as well, the death eater seemed to 'fly away' rather than get hoisted up by the angle! Why couldn't they have made Luna use Stupefy instead?

Mistakes from the film REALLY annoy me if you haven't already gathered that

~Amy <3

That is so true... In the book it was literally Stupefy! all over the place:)) And in the movie not really no... But, it was still a lot of fun!! The last scenes were so tensed that I guess I just forgot about that...

I'm glad this thread is open, I was wondering whether other people has noticed it!
I didn't like they used it at all, because ... there are another spells they could have used for that! It's not like there aren't spells, the books is plenty of spells. Besides, Levicorpus is non-verbal, Harry found it in HBP and there are not means of that Luna could know it.
I think that's a clear "We will be cutting that part in HBP, so there you have the spell, no expanation, by the way." So we won't be watching Harry practinsing it with Ron. I'd have like it more if they were using another spell instead. Stupefy or not, but not Levicorpus. Except for the snape's worst memory.

When a witch or wizard uses Levicorpus doesn't the incantation makes the target person be lifted by their ankle?

I was just wondering, because I want to believe that it wasn't the spell they used. I want to believe that the whole issue was a collective Wingardium Leviosa charm rather than they using a spell that would only appear until HBP.

Besides that, I know that the hopping bunny and the horse, dog and otter looked really cute, but a whole patronus wasn't mastered by any member of the DA (except of course the trio) until the final battle, so that was one of the biggest flaws in spell use I found on the movie.

I rewatched the movie last night, and it just struck me: The first time Harry reads about Levicorpusl is in Advanced Potions Making, a note made by the HBP. He had seen it beeing used by his father in Snapes memory, but that is after this DA lesson. I think it is really stupid of them to put it in there, they could have chosen among so many other spells, but they chose one from book 6. Stupid.



Yes, I also thought it looked like they were using Wingadium Leviosa instead of Levicorpus. The thing about the Patronuses also made me wonder.

I generally think the make to many errors in the films, I actually thought that JKR was to approve the script, guess not since they make so many mistakes

This definitely annoyed me. The first time when I saw the film, I didn't think I heard properly and rewound it back a few seconds to hear it again. I did this about four times until I convinced myself that I wasn't hearing things. This made me quite mad.

I don't understand the need for it. It's totally not needed in this movie. Save it for the next one, please!

Yeah Harry doesn't teach them that in te DA at all,big mistake there. We do see Harry's father use it on Snape,but we don't know what the spell is called until the Half-Blood Prince book.