Albus Dumbledore,you're theory is good, but there are few points that trouble me. You wrote(in the first post):

I don't have the book here, but didn't Sirius said in PoA that he and James decided together to make Peter the secret-keeper. If this was the case, why didn't James or DD told Sirius that they had a plan and James and Lilly were ment to die?Or Lupin for that matter? They must have quessed that Sirius wouldn't just stand still if he thought Peter had betrayd Order.
You also wrote that you belive Aberfort is the R.A.B. If I preted I belive it , how he then could have got the note in fake horcrux? When Harry and Dumbledore/Aberfort enter the cave, it is clear DD/a hasn't been there before as DD/A doesn't know how the fake wall opens. And even if that would be pretending, Aberfort would have had to drink the potion to get the original Horcrux, which would have killed him. It just doesn't make sense.

That is the best freakin theory that I've read. Lettme tell ya if that was how its all going to end up I know I won't be disappointed!

ok wacky theory, ill add more later if time, like the possible implications of my theory, but...

note: this is merely speculation that has almost no basis in actual facts, but was inspired by everyone else's posts (which were very very intriguing by the way)

what if R.A.B. is actually both Regulas Black and Aberforth Dumbledore??? lets say that the theory of Aberforth's initials being A.R.A.B.D. , and Regulas initials being R.A.B. are both correct, they could have both gone to the cave however long ago, gotten the locket, and Regulas either kept Aberforth from stopping drinking the potion or vice versa. they then left the note, signing it R.A.B. to make it more of a mystery of who had done it. im not sure who might have kept the locket/horcrux after retrieving it, because im not sure which branch of theories i believe, but Regulas hiding it at 12 Grimwauld Place, then mundungus nicking it, selling it to aberforth, yada yada could be likely.

i also like that theory of the wand on display at Ollivander's being the something of Ravenclaw's and a horcrux...whether or not Ollivander knew of this is uncertain, because he is a very mysterious figure and he DID mysteriously disappear...


as far as book timeline goes, a bit of time will be sent at the dursley's of course, then bill and fleur's wedding, which may or may not be interupted by some tragedy or another (i mean, who knows?), the trio will then visit Godric's Hollow, and they will find some clue there that will help or hurt them (or both...), and after that, depending on what happens at Godric's Hollow, the adventure begins...
i also cannot believe that hogwarts won't come into play somewhere in the book, i mean, you just CAN'T have a harry potter book without Hogwarts, it's harry's true home and all that...i also like the idea of the founders tombs lying on the crounds somewhere...who knows, maybe the final battle will take place there????
anyways, this is just speculation on my part...i dont think any of it is really based on solid fact...

yes, i know there are gaping holes in my theories, please feel free to list them, and im sorry i dont have time to write more, sooooo have fun crazed harry potter fans!

Harry Potter Theories:


1. This might or might not be a new theory, but here it goes:

I believe that DD knew his faith long before he drank that potion in the cave. I believe that he relatively knew what he was getting himself into when he took Harry to get the horcrux, or should I say exchange...... RAB could be "Remember Amy Benson" if you look at the RAB forum you would know the theory behind that. DD wrote that message, he meant to either put it back in the pensieve or give it to Harry in the end. However, I believe that DD thought he might die that night before he even went to that cave. Remember when he made Harry promise to do as he said, to obey any command? DD is a strong and powerful wizard, i believe that he wouldn't make harry promise to something extreme if he could not handle it himself. If DD had the horcrux with him, assuming he was to exchange the real one for the fake, then his death would have killed the horcrux he had with him, wouldn't it? If Severus Snape who knew as well about the horcruxes aimed for it on DD's body when he killed DD; therefore DD and the horcrux would no longer exist. And as Snape develops more into the seventh book, and as we understand what his true character reveals, Harry will find that Snape would be able to help him find and destroy the remaining horcruxes. Remember Snape is a very good occulems, maybe even good enough to pass Voldemort. So lets see if both harry and Snape can put asside their differences and fight off the Dark Lord together. By the way, Snape would be a very likely person to die in the 7th book......

BUT NO.....Snape DID KILL dd!!!!!!!!! The unbreakable vow....remember it? Malfoy's mission was to kill DD. He confessed it in the end of the book. Therefore, Snape's unbreakable vow ensured him to kill DD. But what if DD found out? What if DD had planned to die at the end of the book? DD did say that he knew Malfoy had been planning to kill him all year, even though he referred to malfoy's attempts as feeble!! But he knew somehow about the unbreakable vow. Having a horcrux with him, the horcrux was to be destroyed with his death. He planned it out!! DD planned it out!!!

However what I do not understand is that destroying a horcrux would bring back a memory from Riddle....no memory came. Maybe DD's plans did not fall though as he originally planned how he would die; destroying the horcrux with his life as well. If the RAB message was written by him, he knew he would die through the attempts he would take to destroy it, as the letter refers to. This fills in a lot of gaps! Maybe he meant to plead Snape into destroying the horcrux with his death but could not communicate it, as Snape killed him almost instantly. Or prehaps Snape knew about the horcrux and choose not to kill DD the way DD wanted to die.

If DD has the original horcrux on him:

We can deduct one of 2 things:

1. DD's full message did not get through, and Harry will have to find it on DD's person and destroy it.

2. Or Snape knows, but was afraid to destroy it that night, if LV and his "fellow" death eaters were to notice. And if Snape was quesioning his loyalty at the moment as well. Snape's true side will come into play in the seventh book, but I would like to know your opinions as well......

I was reading the thread about the anagrams and also looking at the thing about Ollivander's disappearance and I came up with an anagram for Ollivander that actually explains his disappearance...

Ollivander
An Evil Lord

Yes I'm aware it is beyond a stretch, but he if he was a death eater his disappearance really wouldn't be that much of a surprise.

I completely agree with that the switcheroo took place. It just was soo fast. I also believe that Harry will die but it will be Voldemort killing him instead. I was just re-reading book 1 and the centaurs say that harry should have been left to be killed by Voldemort in the Forbidden Forest. They said that is what the planets were saying, "Mars is unusially red tonight."

That leaves me to believe that:

1. The Centaurs know more than they tell (Hagrid says that himself)
2. Voldemort will kill Harry because of the prophesy made that night in the Forest.

Lastly, I do not believe that Harry is a horcrux because:

1. It is too obvious and JKR will have a twist
2. I support my own theory that Voldemort's wand is his last horcrux

I support the wand as a horcrux because it said that Voldemort collected many trophies. His wand was probably his most prized possesion. Also, what happend to the wand after Harry died?

Albus,
This is one of the best - possibly the best theory I have seen so far on VTM. It all fits! Every single piece.

And I discovered something - when JKR was being interviewed, she got asked whether Dumbledore was really dead. To which she replied: 'Yes. Dumbledore is most definitely dead.'

Note that she doesn't say Albus.

In response to squanx, I am unsure if Harry is a Horcrux.
My reason to believe that he is a Horcrux is that Snape constantly tells the Death Eaters in HBP that 'The Dark Lord needs him'. Perhaps he knows that Harry is a Horcrux, and Harry's death would mean the Horcrux being destroyed, thus weakening Voldemort.

My reason to believe that he isn't a Horcrux is exactly the same as squanx's: it's simply to obvious. I think JKR will have cooked up something much better than that. But it would still be a cool twist if she has to kill Harry to kil Voldemort.

Albus, you've seriously got me hyped up for Deathly Hallows. July seems too long!

Peace out,

Cormac

I also have to agree with McLaggen that this is by far the best theory ever. Still, I think that the book is hinting all of the evidence of Harry being a horcrux to make us believe that he is and then be surprised. I was thinking and wondered if the different parts of Voldemort's soul can correspond with each other because that would explain for Harry seeing through the snakes eyes (saying that Nagini is a horcrux). But, anyways, I don't believe that Harry is a horcrux.

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I think you've put alot of thought into this and it does make sense

I too think Snape was in love with Lily and my theory was that they were in love and had a child who became a horcrux or currently owns one eg-she has the locket round her neck or she has something of Hufflepuffs as Lily was in this house. She has been home educated which is why she is not at hogwarts. In Snape's memory Lily and James seem to dislike each other and this discredits James character even more as he may have forced Lily into a young and loveless marriage. This also gives Harry a half-sister and some memory of his mum to hold on to and relate to... the girl having Lily's same green eyes, something which we know will begin to be of importance.

Also I am glad you brought up the notion of James saving Snape's life. This was mentioned in book 1 and I recently re-read the passage and wondered what this was. Has this actually been confirmed or is it still in speculation- do you think it is of importance enough to be confirmed?

I am going to switch gears and pose a theory that has been kicked around by a brave few but never entirely elaborated. What if it was all just a dream and he wakes up at the end in the cupboard under the stairs 11 years old and no powers. His imagination simply made the entire thing up to cope with living with the likes of the dursleys.

Dont get me wrong i would be extremely angry and probably never read HP again if JK wrote it that way but it still seems possible.

I'm sorry to trash your theory but you shouldn't even be thinking that because JKR is too smart of an author to just throw her story away. Besides, she said that the last chapter is going to be about what happens to everyone else meaning that it is not a dream.

I do have to say that when I say the 1st movie, (it was before I read the book), and he wakes up in the hospital wing, I thought that he had dreamed it.

Anyways, to keep on the subject, I agree with almost everything that Albus said except I don't believe Harry is a Horcrux. I think that it makes perfect sense for Voldemort's wand to be a horcrux but that Voldemort has no knowledge of it being a wand. Wouldn't that be such a great ending? Harry trying to get Voldemort's wand while fighting without Voldemort knowing that the wand is what Harry is after. I think that Wormtail will destroy Voldemort's wand and that Harry will finish him off.

Thanks, i do see what you are saying about the dream thing. And with your theory about the final fight, however i will have to disagree with you about wormtail. All of this stuff about wormtail oweing a life debt rely's on the idea that there is still a shred of descency left in wormtail, and there simply is not. he has been in pure undying support of LV from the begining and will not aid in destroying him.

That aside i do believe that theentire plot is going to center around destroying the horcrux's (duh). And end in a huge final battle all the order on all the DE's, with many casualties. I think he will study at hogwarts but mcgonical will allow him to go destroy horcrux's. It simply is not Harry Potter without hogwarts.

I think that Godric's hallow will not have a horcrux but it will give him clues that will send him on a journey to eventually get all of the Horcrux's. Aperition is also going to prove to be extremely useful in a quest of this magnitude. He will obviously need the entire trio as proven by the cave in the last book.

Finally, before the final battle with voldemort he will focus on taking the Love that dumbledore always talked about, and harnasing it into a way to block the EK spell. I think this is needed in order to gain a true edge in the final fight with voldy. Obviously hermione will be instramental in researching some old magic to come up with a way to do this. Personally i believe that of the trio harry will die, even though he is not a Horcrux. It is simply too obvious that Ron and Hermione will end up together.l

Hey y'all! I've been gone for a while but this is one of my favorite topics and you guys have some great ideas that just get my wheels a turnin. In another thread about a year ago i brought up the whole "snape heard the whole prophecy thing" which i'll talk about in a little but first Albus, although you have some really great ideas and obviously put alot of effort into your posts i just can't believe that DD would let the Potters die on some "notion" that goodness would protect Harry. DD seems to act only when he's very well informed or forced into quick action but even then he is so wise that he propablly had some sort of base knowledge to make a quick decision.

Also i can't believe that DD would allow Sirius to rot in Azkaban (pretty much the worst hell a person can live through) DD wouldn't even be sure if Sirius could even live in Azkaban and i feel he would have at least amde some effort to get him out if he indeed "set up" Wormtail as the secret keeper or knew he betrayed them not sirius. I mean at that point he would have had to have been ok with putingt 4 people (friends and order members of his along with an infant cause how could he know for absolute certain that Lilly could save Harry's life) in mortal danger without having any concrete proof. These things just don't ad up to me at all. From all of DD's prior actions he looks before he leaps he uses binoculars and a lunar chart and a leaping manual (you know what i mean) he's cautious and knowledgable and i don't believe he would put people he cared about in mortal danger on a hunch.

I don't mean to rip apart your theory i think its excellent and who knows i might be a complete idiot and be saying your wrong and boom book seven comes out and we find out Albus had the whole book figured out. I say this cause i don't want to disrespect you Albus because your post was very thought provocing and you obviously are very passionate about it (a vague disclaimer is nobodys friend)

Also i really can't understand DD trying to put the prophecy in motion so to speakby setting this trap of sorts for voldy. He constantly tells Harry not to take stock in the porphecy, that the prophecy is only real if he believes it is. Harry will fight Voldemort because he killed his parents, cedric, is part of the reason Sirius is dead, is evil etc. not because of some fprtold fight to the death. Its like how Harry said its the difference between being dragged into an arena or walking in with your head high (or something like that) The prophecy may have jump started this whole thing but DD is very specific that Harry is not to get hung op or put faith in the prophecy.So to me that doesn't add up either.

Heres what i think happened (some of it is from my other posts in a different forum months ago but it fits)

Snape heard the whole prophecy because of Trewlany knowing he was there and she "blacks out" during these psychic episodes of hers so i think Abeforth caught him listening at the door brought him in the room Trewlany finished her prophecy and abeforth brought snape to another room where he abeforth and dd talked.
I think that Dumbledore talked to Snape and convinced him to be on their side.
(Snape is a very complicated character as we all know and i think he can really be compared very well to Draco. He was brought up in an unloving family, turned obsessivly to the dark arts and got in over his head. When Snape was younger he wasn't evil he was just an outcast and wanted power so he turned to the most powerful wizard out there that shared his interests, Voldemort. I'll have to think this out more but i don't really believe Snape had killed anyone before the Potters died though i could be very wrong and i think the life debt he owed to james could be a key thing here as well. I believe this scene is the key reason why DD trusts Snape so much along with the events following it and that we don't know the half of it.)
I think Snape was persuaded by DD and realized he was in way over his head and that there were pluses to turning double agent guy. So they decide to tell Voldy half the prophecy to maybe pull him out see what kind of mve he takes i don't know maybe leaving certain information out they thought would cripple him (which it did)Snape still had to report back to his current master or face death and Dumbledore wants to save most epople from evil and unnecessary death and at the same time gain a powerful ally so they made a pact. Then Snape told Voldemort half the prophecy not knowing that James and Lilly would die (particularly because he owes james a life debt) and that he never meant those deaths to happen. he thought he was hammpering Voldemort not cuasing something catostrophic. I think that might also tie into why he hates Harry so much. . . because he feels guilty for being the cause of their murders. Harry is a constant reminder he failed and a constant reminder of James who he loathed but did not wish death upon.

I think once Dumbledore found out Snape really did tell Voldemort half the prohecy and then came back remourseful for the potters death DD then trusted him. By not telling Voldemort the whole profecy he could have put himself in mortal danger and therefor dd believed him. It seems to be one of the best arguments as to why DD trusts Snape so much/But i also think that Snape truly was remorseful of the Potters deaths as well and this solidfied DD's trust in him.

Also i don't know if anyone has said this before and it might belong somewhere else so sorry if i messed up. But Doesn't DD technically owe Snape a life debt since he saved dd from dying because of the gaunt ring curse. It could be a big peice of evidence to the Snape is good theory beacuase then Snape killing DD at the end of HPB could have been DD ways of saving Snape from the unbreakable vow since he owed him his life

So DD finds out what info has been sent to Voldy and DD deduced that from the information being fed to VL he would attack Harry so he sent thePotters into hiding and offered to be their secret keeper to keep them safe. Then Sirius is the secret kepper so everyone thinks they should be safe until Wormtail secretly becomes secret keeper and turns on them all.
No one was prepared for wormtail to turn so thats why the potters were attacked.

In my mind DD thought he was protecting whomever he could with the circumstances that came into play. I don't think he thought he was putting anyone in mortal danger but everyone was in danger at that time and the Potters were warriors and they probably agreed with him.
Hope that makes sense. What i'm saying is maybe DD sent the Potters into hiding because of the prophecy. I don't know it just sorta came to me but it seems logical enough

Ok onto the abeforth DD switch i can't buy that either. DD has to die before Harry can complete his journey. Look at any fantasy novel or movie: the older mentor always dies so that the younger disciple can learn he has power and stand on his own. It makes logical sense that DD should die in the 6th book much as i hate it i gotta say that DD is dead. As always i could be wrong. But like in star wars where OB one talks to luke in times of crisis but doesn't guide him the whole way i think that the portrait of DD will serve as that same function. Harry will return to hogwarts and consult DD's portrait and he won't get all the info from him but DD will help him some how through thre portrait.

WHEW!!! I commend anyone who read all of this but i would love to hear what you think and Albus there were some things in your post i completely agreed with: that DD knew VL would come after the potters after hearing the 1/2 prophecy and other things that i can't think of cause my head hurts and i want to end this post but kudos to a well thought out intricate theory. Sorry i'm rant girl
Night everyone

I am wondering if by this you mean that Harry still has his love protection from Voldemort. Because in book 4 Voldemort overcomes that obstacle by using Harry's blood, which allows his to touch him. But anyway, I agree with Albus about the Dumbledore brothers switching places but I have doubts that Aberforth is R.A.B. (I saw him posted in another thread). For one I read that Dumbledore says that he is not sure if Aberforth can even read or write. The only way that would work was if Albus (the book character) wrote the note for Aberforth. I also am curious as to whether the Polyjuice Potion would work on dead people. Those are my thoughts.

~Filius~

no i was not talking about his love protection from his mother, i was talking about how DD is always talking about his ability to love and it is the power the LV does not have. I think that could be harnessed into an AK counter curse.

Ah, yes. That does make perfect sense because it was the power spoken of in the prophesy. I think that the main importance was that his love helped him show compassion (in a matter of speaking) to Peter Pettigrew who now owes a life debt to Harry.

~Filius~

nice theories.... they made me think a LOT!

well i'll post mine (i wrote it very quickly so forgive my mistakes)

Harry Potter WAS the horcrux of Gryffindor

I came up with this after re-reading HBP. Harry noticed a crack in the Slytherin ring; the horcrux was already destroyed by Dumbledore. In CoS when Harry destroyed the diary, he left a big hole in it.
So, now we know that when a horcrux is destroyed they get some kind of mark.
People most of the time recognize Harry because of his SCAR. A scar is a MARK.
So, I was thinking what if Voldemort (not knowing about the prophecy yet) decided to use someone from the Order’s child and make him a horcrux. This seemed a little stupid to me, at first, but then I analyzed the possible horcruxes:

1. Diary [destroyed]
2. Slytherin ring [destroyed]
3. Locket [yet to be found]
4. Hufflepuff cup [yet to be found]
5. Something from Ravenclaw
6. Something from Gryffindor
7. Something (maybe the most important thing for Voldemort, I don’t know….Dumbledore thought it was Nagini)

I don’t think Harry is related to Ravenclaw at all, he can’t be that important to Voldemort. But...wait…Gryffindor??
Back in CoS, Dumbledore told Harry that only a true Gryffindor could get the sword out of the hat. Maybe this is why Voldemort chose Harry, because he was his “something from Gryffindor”, the descendant if Gryffindor. This could be true, I mean, just look at his father. James was as arrogant and mean as a Slytherin (remember the pensive scene). So, why was he in Gryffindor?? The answer is: because he was the descendant of Godric Gryffindor.

Ok, so now, why do I say Harry WAS a horcrux??
Because, as I said before, I noticed that horcruxes get some kind of mark after being destroyed. And they somehow “affect” the “destroyer”; Dumbledore got his skin blackened or burned, and Harry in CoS didn’t get anything because he was already dying.
We know Voldemort know how to make horcruxes, but he didn’t know how to destroy them… he didn’t need to know that.
But after hearing the prophecy he found out that his Gryffindor horcrux and other boy were his “future murderers” (well, one of them). He at first didn’t know what to do, but then he decided to kill them both starting with Harry.
He went that night to Godric’s Hollow thinking that he could kill him but the horcrux would remain in the corpse (maybe; he uses Inferi, why not use a corpse as a horcrux??).
But when he tried to kill Harry the horcrux was destroyed (causing the scar) and the spell rebounded (remember what I said, the “destroyers” of the horcruxes get injured too). Voldemort didn’t die but he got weak, he couldn’t kill Harry and he wasn’t strong now to go and kill Neville.

Voldemort didn’t know but maybe the way to destroy horcruxes is by using the Avada Kedavra curse (Avada Kedavra means “I destroy as I speak”) or somehow “kill” the object (for example the basilisk’s poison in the diary)
Now….3 down, 4 to go:

1. Diary [destroyed]
2. Ring [destroyed]
3. Gryffindor-Harry [destroyed]
4. Locket
5. Hufflepuff Cup
6. Ravenclaw
7. Something

4) I think it is the one from Grimmauld Place but, now Dumbledore’s brother has it.
5) The cup is, I think, at Borgins and Burkes. My sister thinks it is in the house of the descendants of Helga Hufflepuff (according to her, they’re Zacharias Smith’s family)
6) I think Ravenclaw’s horcrux is the Erised Mirror. I don’t know where it could be now, maybe Dumbledore sent it to the Ravenclaw’s descendants… maybe the Lovegoods? (maybe Luna’s mom died destroying this horcrux and Luna knows…she saw her)
7) And the last one! It has to be the biggest or the most important one, “saving the best for last”. Something, according to Voldemort, nobody would ever destroy…HOGWARTS!
Remember Dumbledore’s words: “The time will come when we all must choose between what is right and what is easy”.
It is not going to be easy for Harry to destroy Hogwarts, but it will be the right thing to do.

I disagree. For one, Hogwarts just is out of the question. It is a gigantic castle with hundreds of spells and enchantments all around it. It is considered the safest place in pretty much the whole world. I do have a question. It is about Fawkes the Pheonix. Where did he come from. Who did he belong to before Dumbledore. I have wondered if he belonged to Godric Gryffindor. That would support my theory of Voldemort's wand being a horcrux because it had the feather of Gryffindor's Pheonix (one of the horcruxes is from Gryffindor).

~Filius~

Just a thought, what if the invisibilty cloak was once a gryffindor object? could it have been made a horcrux after the death of james? Maybe LV made sure it was given to DD who in turn gave it to HP and thus it is safe at Hogwarts with his possible adversary.

Filius Flitwick, you're right!
I'm sure the phoenix belonged to G.G. before, but how did Dumbledore get it ?? Was it Jame's before ??
If it was Gryffindor's then Voldemort's wand could be a horcrux, it is an important item to him and is also something from gryffindor

jamdan, I don't think Voldemort was powerful enough to make the cloak and horcrux the day James and Lily died, and I don't think the cloak belonged to G.G , he was a powerful wizard, just like dumbledore he didn't need a cloak to be invisible

I remember reading that.
The cup - Hufflepuff
The stone - Slytherin's ring/locket(black stone, green stone)
The sword - Gryffindor's
The wand - Ravenclaw's (possibly in Ollivander's display)

Gets you thinking, it does...

You've come up with some good theories Albus Dumbledore, but i dont think Aberforth dumbledore was the one who died, i realy believe it was Albus dumbledore, my reason being, in HBP after going into the cave for the horcrux, harry says:
"Dont worry" (to dumbledore he says this) and dumbledore replies: "I am not worried..I am with you".
This almost made me cry at the time haha, but i strongly believe that only someone who knew harry that well and would trust him with their lives, like Albus dumbledore would, could say that and mean it, not just some stranger (Aberforth). So i think Albus Dumbledroe is really gone, im sorry to say..

GREAT WORK

ONE QUESTION WHY DID VOLDEMORT FAVOR HARRY GOT ANY I DEAS

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I think Dumbledore answered this by saying they were both alike, each coming from the same sort of background (half blood) and things like that.



Unfortunatley I forgot where I read this but I think Rowling said that Fawkes has only belonged to Dumbledore, does anyone know if thats true?

Hey everyone! This is my first time on this thread so I thought that I'd drop by to post a theory that I have.

Okay, my theory is about Harry and/or Voldy dying. I don't have an ultimate opinion, I'm just stating my thoughts about either:

If Voldy dies, that would make for a happy ending and it would be a perfect way to end the series. Also, if he dies, there really isn't anything left to write about after the series and I read in an interview with JKR where she said something like "..I don't want any non-author written sequels to be written when I'm dead and gone. I want to be the one to end the series that I created." Note: I'm not sure if that's word for word. So if Voldy is dead and there's not a whole lot else to have a plot line for, I guess it would be harder for a non-author written sequel to be created.

If Harry dies, It would make for a sad, heroic and tradgedic ending. Once again, going along with that JKR quote, if Harry's dead, there can't be another Harry Potter book therefore there can't be a non-author written sequel. If Harry does happen to die, I'm guessing it's going to be either because he's a horcrux and that's the only way to kill Voldy or maybe he will kill Voldy but he'll end up dying as well in the attempt?

If they both die, it would be a bitter-sweet ending. Bitter obviously because Harry will be dead and Sweet obviously because Voldy will be dead. It wouldn't surprise me if they both died because that would be really heroic, there would be no non-author written sequel and there are just about a million other things to state here about that topic but I'll stop boring you all.

So once again, I don't have a definite opinion but these are just the things that I've taken into consideration and hope that you will too! Toodles!

Okay I really liked reading a lot of what has been posted in here, but have one argument to make. I don't think that RAB is Dumbledore, or his brother Aberforth, but I do think that Aberforth will end up talking to Harry about a couple of things at - wait for it - The Hogs Head Tavern. He's the bartender who "looks vaguely familiar" to Harry. Why does he look vaguely familiar? Because he looks like his brother who Harry knows! I think that RAB is Regulus, and unfortunately, he's dead (he is not Stubby Bordman).

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if you read harry potter series thoroughly you would easily know who is RAB...
becoz he is no other than sirius younger bro...Regulus A. Black..remember in the Order of the Phoenix book,there is a locket in the Blacks Mansion that cannot be touched nor remove by any them...
and besides he didnt manage to destroy it becoz he was killed by voldy after he left his side....

But in book five doesnt it say that in unit when they are clearing it out they find the locket none of them can open it so they throw it away with the rest of the old stuff. If that is the case and that is one of the horcruxes then wouldnt it be almost impossible to find. Who knows where its gone, it may even have been destroyed in the process of whatever they do with wizard rubbish. Well they couldnt put it in with muggle rubbish could they? ventually someone would come across some very strange things... OK I'm rambling on a bit here so Ill leave it at that.

I think the part about the fact that Snape owes James, and loves (or loved) Lilly is true, though the part about Dumbledore and Aberforth and their plan seems highly unlikely.

I mean, like Dumbledore said, he fell into his own trap by actually loving Harry as a son and I doubt he would have planned something so intricate just to kill Voldemort, knowing that it would definately hurt Harry (he would really be [i]mad[/i ]... His parents would be dead because of Dumbledore and his plan..)

Though the part about the Veil being "part" of the battle between Harry and Voldemort seems to make sense, but I really don't think Harry is a Horcrux... He's a person and Voldemort would never take the risk of putting part of his soul in a person, more precisely his worse ennemy... Even though it is obvious there is some kind of link more powerful than just a scar between Harry and Voldemort

It's pretty complicated in a way

I just don't know about that. This is just a which came first, the chicken or the egg situation. A pheonix is an animal that just dies and then becomes reborn. Do pheonixes lay eggs??? That just confuses me because Fawkes could have been alive long before Dumbledore, who was born in the late 1800's.

Anyways, Fawkes is going to play a significant role in the Deathly Hallows. That can be considered as a fact (unless it is wrong ) because of his important parts from the past books. Here is a list of the important facts about Fawkes:

1. He dies and then becomes reborn
2. He gave two feathers, one put in Voldemort's wand and the other in Harry's
3. He is a great friend of Dumbledore and has been with him for many "adventures"
4. His feather's are what caused Priori Incantartum (spelling?)

My opinions:

1. He belonged to Godric Gryffindor (making Harry and Voldemort's wands "something of Gryyfindor"
2. Voldemort's wand is the Horcrux that "belonged" to Gryffindor

~Filius~

Harry ist strong enogh to battle LV. I think its an object that will change that. It ties in with the whole snape good vs evil thing too so tell me what you think. Harry lacks the wisdom and the experience to be able to defeat Voldemort. We all know this. DD said very clearly to harry in the last chapter of ootp that the prophecy meant that one would have to kill the other which is why I think some people don't pay attention when they predict that somebody else will kill LV. DD lays the blame on what had happened entirely on himself. Keep in mind that the only wizard LV had ever feared was DD. I think that there is an object left behind by DD that would endow Harry with all his power and wisdom only it would not work untill DD was dead. Dumbledore was known to create his own spells so I think that other wizards wont even know that such an object was even possible to exist.

Now Harry Potter and the Half-blood Prince: In the beginning of the book when Snape makes the unbreakable Vow he does not flinch. I think Dumbledore willingly sacrificed his life in order for harry to be strong enough to fight Voldemort. I think this was planned out after the fight at the ministry. It would explain alot. This would make LV trust snape 100% and key him in to the whereabouts of his horecruxes, It would explain why DD knew Draco was up to something and eventually would result in a visit to hogwarts from the deatheaters on which snape would kill DD infront of all the death eaters as witnesses, Why Snape actually said the words Avada Kedavra instead of thinking it so the deatheaters would hear him and there would be no mistake, hmmm, It would also explain why dumbledore knew about Voldemort creating horcruxes all this time but just NOW looking for them during the majority of the book in desperation to destroy as many as possible before leaving harry to do it alone. He knew he was on a time line knowing that the deatheaters were to show up at any moment and he would then have to die, Why DD gave Harry lessons and brought him along on a horcrux hunt to get him prepared for what he would have to do when he is gone, It would explain why extreme measures are taken in only this book and not the previous 5. I am very Curious as to what this object may be!

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this is a biography of snape which has my theories added.hope it's not boring.
snape was born on jan 9 1958.his parents used to quarell a lot and his house wasn't a happy one.lily and snape knew each other in childhood(probably neighbours or muggle school classmates)snape who was unhappy with his family had a good time with lily.he learnt a good number of spells by the time he recieved his hogwarts letter with the help of his mother.(“Snape knew more curses when he arrived at school than half the kids in the seventh year.)” – Sirius Black (GF25)).
1969 1 September: Enters Hogwarts and is sorted into Slytherin whereas lily is in Gryffindor.snape mixes with other bad people and learns more spells.lily and snape rarely talk.
early 1970s: voldy shows his true colours(most probably snape's 2nd or 3 year in hogwarts).
one day(during summer) he comes to lily's house they discuss about voldy and dementors which is overheard by petunia.(that awful boy OOtp) Link
1974 June: Snape sits his O.W.L.s, along with Lupin, Sirius, James, and Peter. Snape’s "worst memory:" That afternoon, James Potter and Sirius Black publicly humiliate Severus; Lily Evans defends Severus until he insults her. snape feels that he has lost lily forever. Lily stops caring for snape.

1976: lily stars going out with james.snape didn’t apologise because he didn't want james & co to laugh at him.
1977: snape becomes a death eater to overcome his loneliness because of lily and his mother’s death.
1980: hears the first part of prophecy and tells voldy about it.
1980 july 31: harry is born.snape finds that voldy may target lily and alerts DD at once.
1981 aug or sept:hired by DD as potions master though he requests for DADA job.DD thinks that a powerful post may affect his mindset.(love for a dead person may not live forever)
21 oct: fidelus charm performed by DD
31 oct :voldy marks harry as his equal and also kills james &lily.snape alerts DD at once after knowing that voldy has gone to GH.
After October: Denounced by Karkaroff as a Death Eater in the Wizengamot; Dumbledore vouches for his loyalty

1991 1 September: Harry Potter begins his first year at Hogwarts; student in Snape's Potions class snape hates harry because he resembles james and is too popular for a student(jkr quote)
And for 6 years as given in books.

1996 june end:DD saved by snape for the time being.for my complete theory on what happend follow the link (third post on the page) I will give a summary here.

we know that DD suffered a terrible curse while destroying the ring. my theory is that snape somehow stopped the death of DD for the time being thereby giving DD one year.A year which DD badly needed to tell harry about horcruxes and to destroy as many as he can.he then hires slughorn to extract the memory.

HBP-Chapter 23-page 594
"Had it not been-forgive me the lack of seemly modesty-for my own prodigious skill, and for Professor Snape's timely action when I returned to Hogwarts, desperately injured, I might not have lived to tell the tale.."
snape knowing that DD will have to die at the end of the year makes an unbreakable vow(without knowing what the task was) to gain the trust of DE and voldy and tells DD about the vow.After the attack on ron DD guesses correctly what the task was.snape comes to know of the plan in the forest when DD tells him. DD tells snape that if draco tries to kill him in the open snape would do the killing instead because draco will not be able to and voldy would kill him.snape argues at this point but DD tells him that it is very unlikely that draco will try to kill him in the open.
Early June: Harry learns from Trelawney that Snape was the one that overheard her make the Prophecy.
Snape kills Professor Dumbledore with the Avada Kedavra curse when Draco fails to do so (HBP26). Admits to being the 'Half-Blood Prince' and escapes Hogwarts.
though rubbish the ideas are my own.if you think there are any flaws in my theory let me know.

Mod Edit: Moving this to the master theories thread and I've fixed your links.

some very interesting and inventive theories ,my theory and what i think is the most plausable is one of relation to the R.A.B mystery ,this is one of my own and a mates it is that the mystery man is burke from (borgin&burkes) this is because on page 403 voldemort is working at borgin&burkes on page 409 he is working and is seeing hepzibah smith and she shows him the locket and voldemort was in love wif it of course so he got it wen he killed her, but she also says that it was brought from burke and then says that "i daresay that he'd love to get this back wen im gone and burke is now dead so that wuld explain why it says on the note that i will be dead by the time ur reading this , readers out there u would say that this is the most plauseable so far, if ur still not convinced read from 409 to the end of 411 in 411 it seems that the treasures had been known to have gone missing and then voldemort quits work and burke would have later put 2n2 together and known whos hands it was in this is somethin to think about anyway thanx im in the process of think about an accomplice

I enjoyed your theory its was extremely well thought out. You started to lose me a bit though when you started talking about Dumbledore being Aberforth in disguise and Aberforth being RAB. I think that is a little far fetched and i dont see enough evidence to make it plausible. And the theories you have about book 7 sounded like a fanfic.I just dont see Peter pushing harry and voldemort into the veil. First of all what is he doing there? and i dont think he would ever have the courage to try to kill either of them. i also think that harry scar isnt a horcrux and he will live with it forever. it is part of him and it is what gives him power over voldemort. especially now that hismothers love doesnt protect him. he needs the powers that voldemort passed on to him and he will have that scar as a reminder long after voldemort is destroyed.

I agree with poketaces. I think that Burke is RAB. I've heard this theory before and it seems like the most obvious choice other than Regulus Black which seems much too obvious.

"Snape’s "worst memory:" That afternoon, James Potter and Sirius Black publicly humiliate Severus; Lily Evans defends Severus until he insults her. snape feels that he has lost lily forever. Lily stops caring for snape."

I think that you have brought up an interesting point. I have been wondering whether Snape could be "that awful boy" Petunia speaks of myself. I think however that instead of them living near each other they began somewhat of a friendship similar to that of Hermoine, Harry, and Ron just on the train. With Lily's parents being muggles it is hard for me to believe that they knew each other prior to Hogwarts.

Another possibility is that they knew each other from Potions class. If Lily Evans was one of the best in Potions that Slughorn had ever known then Snape and Lily would have become close in that relation. It would not surprise me if they shared classes as the Slytherins and Gryffindors did before their OWLs. If this were true then perhaps Severus and Lily competed against each other regularly.

There is the off chance that she was just sick of James and Sirius at that time for picking on Snape. In other words it could be just part of her nature to protect the weak and innocent.

I totally agree!! i think after reading the sixth book and just not coming to terms with Dumbledores death i was trying to find any way to ignore it or better yet find out that he comes back or that it was actually a GOOD thing!! i was directed to a website...
www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com
i'm not sure if its still running, but it was all about the theory that snape and Dumbledore had been planning his seath and they knew what waas going to happen had to happen. if the locket they found while cleaninf out the house really is the horcrux harry and dumbledore set out to find, why would it be in the Black household??? sure they are very dark and Voldemort related, but ....i just don't think it would be there.

So anyway, i thnk that Dumbledore plannaed his death. Because its a lot easier to say that then accept his death!

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Albus- I really like a lot of your theories in this piece. I really don't have a lot to disagree with, however I think you have a valid point with the whole switching places between Aberforth and Albus and that Jk never really confirmed that it was Albus who is dead..SO I definately agree that it fits together nicely. We still have a problem though, even if DD is alive and well, how in the world is going to help Harry without exposing himself in the open, we know that DD is not a registered anminagas(sp)? I realize there are ways to tell harry etc, but that is just to big of a secret for the trio to keep and then we have the problem that Harry has never masted the occulemcy(sp)thing, thanks to snape not telling him how to close his mind. The dark Lord will surely find out that the only one he ever feared is not dead. I think that could be very problematic..I am hoping to offer my own theroy on a few things I am still working on it though.

I'm having a hard time with the theroy that DD knew all along what was going to happen and helped all these people kill themselves for harry. I can't grasp that idea. I don't think anyone knew who it was that V had to do away with in order to survive. I really believe that everything had to play out in due course, and that DD followed all the (clues?) that came along. It wasn't a thingie where DD discussed it all with Lilly and James from the get go. Just my thought on this

I loved your theory, Albus. There were just a few things I don't agree with. First, I do not believe that they planned to have Lily and James die. I just think that the reactions and such would have been different if Lily and James knew they were going to die. Second, I don't think that Voldemort made Harry a Horcrux. Why would he make Nagini (would be his 8th) a horcrux if he made Harry a Horcrux? (No offence, I just don't think JKR would make Harry kill himself to kill Voldemort. I also never liked that theory of the Horcruxes.) Last is just a minor detail. I do not think that the final battle will take place in somewhere where battles already took place. I believe that the final battle will take place in Godric's Hollow. As Harry said, that is where it all started. I believe the book will end where it began. If, and only if, Harry IS a Horcrux, he will be killed by Ron or Hermione directly before Voldemort is killed. Example may be Harry will throw himself on Voldemort and Ron/Hermione will shoot Avada Kedavara at him. While it kills him, it will go through him and kill Voldemort in the process. I doubt that will happen, though.

Thank you quidditch101. About the James and Lily thing.. you would think they would act differently in such a different situation, but I think we need to look closer at their actions. If they truly were surprised and had no intentions of dying that night and they really wanted to protect Harry, then I believe that Lily should have ran with Harry. She had time enough to apparate, time enough to do something! They had many options to persue... a quick trip via floo powder would have saved Harry and Lily... side-along apparition, while uncomfortable for a baby, would atleast have guarenteed his survival.. but no... atleast Lily knew that she was going to stay in my opinion. James tells her to take Harry and run.. obviously meaning that there would be some route out of the house.. Dumbledore wouldnt have them trapped there... but Lily stays. I think its interesting that Lily's wand is good for Charms plus the fact of her wierd actions that night... she could have fled.. but stayed...I really think it was planned.

~Albus

but albus is it possible for someone to apparate or use floo powder in a house so heavily protected by DD?also how can lily run out of the house when james was trying to block voldy at the door.even if she ran voldy probably would have killed her.
regarding the plan jo said that no one(that includes DD)had any ideas about the effects of lily standing in the way of the curse.though DD wanted the prophecy to be fulfilled and harry marked as voldy's equal his plans definitely didn't include the deaths of lily and james.

Let me preface this by saying that I enjoy theorizing and connecting little elements into intricately woven intentions and satisfying possibilities as much as the next person.....

But maybe there are no plans, no master-strategies--only the contingent processes of people living their lives full of risk, joy, and terror. The deeper magic of this is what can be counted on more than the guarantee of a well-played chess match, though it may disappoint and hurt at times. Master-theories, and even the mini-theories of the little threads, serve to give our minds some secure harbor, some reassurance in the face of the uncertainty that is life, that we are living out in relation to the uncertainty that is this story of a brave boy and some adults who should know better.

I so want DD to have put this all together. But the wanting itself may be the lesson. Isn't it more important that things get put together bit by bit? Isn't that the point of DD's lessons to Harry?

Until the next theory takes over my brain, that is...!

Well I listed the things that would happen in book 7.I started interlinking them and found an interesting combination.
1 a character performs magic late in life.
2 umbridge will be seen in HPDH
3 amelia bones is dead(this has already happened
and thus her post of head of improper use of magic is unoccupied)
Look at this.Death eaters will attack harry in privet drive.harry will be injured.Dudley in desperate conditions use magic to save his parents.
Harry receives a letter from MoM(this time by umbridge who I think has replaced madam bones).harry will have to attend another hearing headed by umbridge.
I could not come up with anything that would shoot this theory out. I know this is not convincing but I am just sharing my thoughts.

Yes, it is possible to use apparition and floo powder to leave (and enter) a house that is protected by Dumbledore. We see evidence of this in OotP. Fred and George apparate within the house all the time so I would assume that one could apparate outside of it. Also, we see frequent use of the Floo Network between Hogwarts and 12 Grimmauld Place.

As for Lily being killed. Yes, if Voldemort caught up with her, he would kill her.. or would he? He offered her so many chances to live it makes me wonder if she wouldnt have had a good chance to get away. Like I said above, the events of that night are all too strange. Hagrid shows up at the house ALL too quickly and whisks Harry away. Dumbledore had to have known something to given that he sends Hagrid so soon.

~Albus

I really don't want to see Harry in front of another hearing, though I could see there being some kind of inquiry into DD's death, and Scrimgeour using Harry's presence on the Tower as reason for a magical subpoena or something. If we must meet Umbridge again, and I suppose we will, I want there to be many centaurs and giants around. A date with Grawp, yes.

Something is missing on that night, for sure, and the theories all try to excavate something about it. Sirius tries to fake out LV by getting PP chosen as secret keeper....goes to Peter's hideout to check on him, finds him gone with no struggle, suspects something, goes to Godric's Hollow, tries to claim Harry and is pursuaded by Hagrid that DD's plan be followed, gives Hagrid the motorcycle and goes to confront PP wherever he can find him, and accepts his imprisonment.

Part of me thinks DD looks back on this night and sees Sirius as responsible for getting the Potters killed, by deflecting what may already have been a plan in play with another plan. Perhaps that explains his readiness to believe Sirius is guilty without a trial and to be complicit in his sentence to Azkaban--could you ever see DD doing something like that today? To have done it back then meant he was really cheesed off, both about the deaths and possibly some alternative plan that was in the works.

Sirius clearly sees himself as responsible, though not in the same manner as Peter, and probably in the absence of any knowledge of a plan already in place. DD trying to get himself assigned as secret keeper sort of argues against the Potters being in on DD's plan, and I cannot help but read some of his demeanor that next evening as guilty. What is his offer of secret-keeping about, on the assumption that he had some plan in mind? He offers to be secret keeper, and has been in correspondence with Petunia. What plan would involve his secret keeping and corresponding with Petunia, especially if it is true that Petunia had been out of contact with Lily for years?

Why did Lupin and Sirius suspect each other? Each has to have had a powerful motive/reason, aside from contempt for Peter, to believe that about one another. Did each of them believe that the other was jealous of James for having Lily? Secretly resenting James for reasons suspiciously like Snape's possible reasons? Was there something else that would lead them to have these suspicions? Lupin could suspect Sirius because of Regulus and the rest of the Blacks; Sirius could suspect Lupin because he was needy of friendship and James was busy with family, and Lupin as werewolf might be courted by LV. Or did each know something interesting about the power of the other, and their possible interest in supporting LV?

I believe that Dumbledore actually is dead... Albus Dumbledore, that is... I don't want to admit it, but I finally had to be honest with myself. But this what I think. I think that Dumbledore, through his death, enacted some sort of enchantment to protect Harry. Sort of like Lily's death, ya know? I know that it's a weak theory with not much evidence, but I don't want to think that Dumbledore's death is, is, is... so simple and thus pointless.

one of the main question about the night is that who retrieved voldemort's wand?
some where i heard that jo answer was that peter had hid it while he was disguised as scabbers.he was ready to go back to his master when there were signs of voldy gaining his strength (sirius in PoA).he might have thought to give his master a gift.
another question is that how DD knew that potters were dead even before the muggles.
muggles noticed that something mysterious has happend the next morning.so DD might have got some 4-5 hours.fidelus charm was performed a week before because snape told DD that voldy was confident that harry was the chosen one.snape might have kept an eye on voldy.when he noticed that voldemort was absent he might have alerted DD.
now comes another one.how can hagrid find the house if peter is the secret keeper?
lets assume that DD is the owner of GH(how can he suggest the place to potters if he didn't own it?).there may be an exception to fidelus charm that the owner of the place doesn't need to be told of the place by the secret keeper(grimmauld place was evacuated because DD suspected that the house might have been transferred to bellatrix.how can she find the place if ther is no exception to the owner)

Perhaps there was something in the house that served to communicate to DD what was going on...see below....



If GH belongs to DD, it is possible there are portraits in the house who would, like Phineas Nigellus, be able to keep an eye out on things in the satellite location and then report back to DD at Hogwarts. This would account for DD knowing something happened more or less immediately. It will be interesting to think about whose portrait this might be.

I like the point you make here also about the ownership issue in relation to the secret keeping. This would account for DD being able to dispatch Hagrid to the location. I wonder if it in any way sheds light on DD telling MM that next day, when she asked about Hagrid being the one to fetch Harry, that DD would "trust Hagrid with my life".

One thing, is it certain DD suggested GH as the hiding spot? I dont recall that in the books. I thought he had only offered to be the secret keeper.....

I assumed that DD may have suggested GH because he performs fidelus charm.i am trying to find other quotes from the books.
On another topic mundungus was banned from hogs head the same year in which snape calls lily mudblood.also snape and mundungus relationship doen’t seem to be good(HBP)I started a topic in ehich i posted nmy theory today but it got no replies. any thoughts?