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Louise
This thread is supporters only for H/Hr's - it is not an excuse to start bashing other ships or poking fun at the people who support them.

The ONLY thing that you may talk about here is the H/Hr ship, and that's it. No other ships, no other shippers.

It is a condition of this thread remaining open that EVERYONE takes the time to read the notes about the Ships forum here before posting.

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beyond_the_veil
Wow what a book

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TheHarryinMe
Did we do something wrong in the old thread? Or is this just a new one for post-Deathly Hallows? huh.gif

Well, I must say that I love this relationships to death! laugh.gif

Can anyone tell me how to do the spoiler thing so I can post my thoughts on Deathly Hallows?

Edit: Nevermind. I figured it out.

Okay, my thoughts on Deathly Hallows...

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sherrilina
Why is it thread 5 and not V.5 or whatever?

Anyway, I have to say that though
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, I was still very pleased at how much HHr there was in the book, and how respectfully (esp. relatively to how disrespectfully she treated HHr and HHr fans in HBP) she treated it, or the idea of it, almost admitting that there was something there that could have been misinterpreted. I expected RHr and HG, and was not very hopeful as far as HHr moments after HBP. Here's my review regarding HHr, reposted here from another HHr group:

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HJP/HJG_TrueLove
I cant figure out the spoiler tag thing so I deleted my post can someone help me out here I looked at the spoiler tag thing but it wouldnt work for me i must be doing something wrong but I dont know what.
beyond_the_veil
HJP/HJG_TrueLove Use [spoiler*] and [/spoiler*] but without the *'s

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Radcliffe'sgirl4ever
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Padfoot, Prongs and Moony
Wow Thread 5?! Great!!

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There are so many Harry/Hermione scenes I have to reread the book to find them all. Hmm... I think I'll pick it up later today.... happy.gif
Louise
HJP/HJG_TrueLove - did you read the spoiler policy thread? There's an explanation on there about how to use the tags, but for the benefit of others who may be confused, I'll copy it here too.

Before you start typing your reply, type in [spoiler ], but without the space between the 'r' and the ']' - I have to put the space in now otherwise the tag will work and all you'll see is what you see in other's posts up there - 'click to show'.

Then when you've finished typing, put in [/spoiler] - make sure you put the forward slash in. If you've done it correctly, your post will appear like those above.

If you need anymore help on that, just send one of the Head Aurors an owl and they'll help you out. smile.gif
McGonagall Luvs Dumbledore
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Dumbledore's Widow
QUOTE(McGonagall Luvs Dumbledore @ Jul 25 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]417841[/snapback]

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beyond_the_veil
More thoughts:

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TheHarryinMe
QUOTE(beyond_the_veil @ Jul 25 2007, 01:36 PM) [snapback]417956[/snapback]

More thoughts:

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sherrilina
QUOTE(TheHarryinMe @ Jul 25 2007, 11:44 PM) [snapback]418222[/snapback]

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Lol, good, valid point about Ginny....

But honestly, I'm still pretty jazzed about
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habitso
I think that the brother/sister relationship is better than a love one.
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HJP/HJG_TrueLove
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Thanks for the help Louise and beyond_the_veil and for the record I skimmed through the thing about spoiler tags I just didnt look at the part about not having the asteriks or spaces.
sherrilina
QUOTE(habitso @ Jul 26 2007, 04:23 PM) [snapback]418744[/snapback]

I think that the brother/sister relationship is better than a love one.
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No habitso that wouldn't have been amazing, but way too cheesy and Star Wars-ish. And lol, Hermione's a year older than Harry, so twin sister wouldn't work in any case...wink.gif

And HJP/HJG_TrueLove I agree, though I think they even had a few slashy moments, like when
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EDIT: Okay, I was perusing some sites and posts and just remembered another amazing HHr moment:

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Eveie
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athar
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Okay, I was perusing some sites and posts and just remembered another amazing HHr moment:

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Oh my god i totally agree. I have no idea how anyone would take that as brotherly... unless it was suggesting incest.... if my brother or sister reacted that way when i "brushed" their head i would be completely! creeped out. I'm not sure if Jo realizes that she is actually writing these moments, or if they actually look different in her head or something.... idk
*golden*witch*
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erm...could someone tell me where that is in the book...I'm searching for all the H/hr moments and underlining them....and putting about a million posted notes....

but yeh...with the topic of H/hr.....It's nice to know there are others out there not incredibly happy with the ships at the moment....but how is Ginny special? Jo says he likes her because she's *brave* and Harrys ideal woman but...Isn't Hermione brave?unles the term brave used is in reference to *everyone but Hermione because Hermione is just a sister* It really is quite sad but i've resolved to rewriting the entire epilogue to suite my tastes...i think....that the ending isnt nessecarily whats written by the author but what you want it to be...just write the ending you want and stick it in the back of the book XD[ /spoiler]
jaltesorensen
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beyond_the_veil
jaltesorensen i think you may have posted in the wrong thread as what you said seems to be pretty anti H/Hr sleep.gif

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sherrilina
And *golden witch* the moment I mentioned was at the end of the "Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore" chapter, right before the Doe chapter--somewhere in the 350s I think in the Scholastic edition.

Lol, there's a funny group on Facebook called
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HJP/HJG_TrueLove
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*golden*witch* I had problem with the tags as well and you dont need the spaces I had to get help myself see Louises post or beyond_the_veils post on the 1st page

well their 2nd posts

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Dominique
Well now that I have finally finished the book...
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Dumbledore's Widow
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Well now that I have finally finished the book...
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Dominique
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athar
I totally agree Dumbeldores widow! but then it makes you wonder if jkr actually realizes the strength of their relationship... even if it is one that she has written. The theory that I've always maintained is that people dont always see what is in front of them, and the strongest relationships are usually the ones that you dont see coming. And while im not sure this is the place to get into all the problems with RHr, im just going to say taht it is much too obvious and cliche... but bottom line is that Harry and Hermione are not brother and sister and they do have one of the most intricate and strongest relationships. Hermione is the ONLY person to stay with harry for all seven years. I dont think all of that is because of a brother/sister relationship, i mean isnt ron like a brother (but he sure as heck left)
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harryloveya
I knew it from the beginning...

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Dumbledore's Widow
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I knew it from the beginning...

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HJP/HJG_TrueLove
I always wondered what does OBHWF is it some kind of acronym....

someone help me out here please
Dumbledore's Widow
QUOTE(HJP/HJG_TrueLove @ Jul 29 2007, 08:36 AM) [snapback]421389[/snapback]

I always wondered what does OBHWF is it some kind of acronym....

someone help me out here please

OBHWF is an acronym for One Big Happy Weasley Family.

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HJP/HJG_TrueLove
Thanks Dumbledore's Widow I should have thought of that....

She does seem to put the Weasleys happiness above the hero and the heroine's happiness I never thought of it like that but your right

She wasted all those moments that she must have accidentally put in there
jaltesorensen
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UnknownLocket
What I hate, is that there were so many moments were H/Hr could have happened, even before super! Ginny came into the picture. There was the third book where Ron was unconscious in the hospital wing and Harry and Hermione went back in time to save Sirius and Buckbeak. Then there was the fourth book where Ron was mad at Harry and ignoring him where Hermione was basically the only person he hung out with, and even in the first book, if relationships were ever on their mind at that time, there was the brief moment were Ron again was unconscious and Harry and Hermione were left alone, together. And now, in the seventh book, once again they were left together without and Ron. Anything could have happened during any of those moments and a real relationship, other than brotherly and sisterly, could have risen. But as you said Dumbledore's Widow, JKR was definately adamant from the start to make it H/G and R/Hr. So even though there is plenty of build up for our ship, she ran over it intentionally although giving us hints towards H/Hr to think otherwise, only to brutally crush it in the end with Harry's "I love her like a sister" speech. Pshhh.

Oh and another thing. I feel like both Harry and Hermione changed when they were paired up with the others: Ron and Ginny. Hermione had to became more immature in order to cope with Ron, and Harry had to adopt the cruel, bullying attitude of Ginny. But when they're together (Harry and Hermione) they are themselves.
athar
QUOTE(UnknownLocket @ Jul 29 2007, 06:46 PM) [snapback]422025[/snapback]

Oh and another thing. I feel like both Harry and Hermione changed when they were paired up with the others: Ron and Ginny. Hermione had to became more immature in order to cope with Ron, and Harry had to adopt the cruel, bullying attitude of Ginny.


I totally agree. Personally, it was moments like that in book 6 that made it so hard for me to read and not throw the book across the room. I just cant stand the idea that two characters that i love so much start acting so out of character whenever they are with their "love interest" (or lust whatever... since im pretty sure we arent seeing love there)... Its hard for me to buy that harry and hermione would choose to be with people who change them for the worse, not the better... but whats even harder for me to believe is this is how jk has chosen to depict the romantic love in the books.
HJP/HJG_TrueLove
I agree Harry and Hermione are much better in a pair together than with Ron and Ginny.
For exapmple the time-turner incident, going on for the stone, in the DoM it was Harry, Hermione, and Neville in one trio and Luna, Ron, and Ginny in the other and Harry's group fared better and only by a lucky chance Hermione was struck down, and then when Ron was being a jerk Hermione helped Harry for hours until about 2 in the mourning and he sucessfully learned it. and even in HBP Hermione and Ron didnt pair up when Harry informed them that DEs were coming in the castle Hermione and Luna went together and Neville, Ron, and Ginny went together that alone should prove that Hermione and Ron dont do well paired up and neigther do Harry and Ginny. The best duo is easily Harry and Hermione and all those moments when she could have put them together o well.
got harry?
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EDIT: Oops, was that considered a spoiler? Sorry, if it was, I fixed it.
sherrilina
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I know seriously--it's just downright silly--especially considering that as we see reaffirmed in DH,
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But btw, OBHWF also stands for One Big Horrendous Waste of Fiction! tongue.gif

And I'm still happy with the moments we got, given I wasn't expecting much of anything after how horrible JK made their relationship in HBP! We can still enjoy the wonderfully close and special relationship they had, which is illustrated in all the books (to a lesser extent in HBP), and still cherish the moments they had, and celebrate them in fanfic, fanart, and music vids (speaking of which, I just finished my first HHr fanvid, to the song Vindicated by Dashboard Confessional--here it is if you'd like to check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjbtAeryZnA ).

B/c when it's all said in done, "Harmony is the way things ought to be.....even if JK doesn't agree!" wink.gif And as someone else said, we still have those great moments in the seventh book too look forward to seeing in the movies (they BETTER be in there, especially the
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HJP/HJG_TrueLove
nice video sherrilina and you actually picked a song that I liked! You acronym for OBHWF is good I think thats better than the actual acronym.


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XD You're absolutely right!
Nymphe
Oh man, you have no idea how long I have been trying to get back in here (and I still cannot get back into the HPANA forums).

First of all, great big hug to all of you intelligent, insightful people who expected more than obvious, weak, kiddie fluff from a middle aged, former English major. As I have said before, even if things didn't go our way, I had a ball speculating and I hope you all did too. After the anger passes, it is time to reflect and mock. rolleyes.gif

The only love Rowling was worried about was sacrificial love for friends at the expense of other forms. Sad, really.
shrek2be
I would like a question to be asked to Rowling.
Which brother stares at his sister like Harry looks at Hermione in the Yule ball?
Which sister tells her brother that he is more hotter than ever(fanciable scene)?

Also for a shallow character like Ron to show such feelings and insecurities of depth is just........ rolleyes.gif blink.gif wacko.gif
What Ron's insecurities are In DH are supposedly fear of abandonment by his family and the love of his life , and loss of love which are all in fact Harry's fears.

For one Ron has never shown that he values his family's love so much as he clearly wants to be much better than them in terms of fame, and achievement , secondly I am yet to see any depth of feelings from Ron towards Hermione for the past 6 books.

So basically Rowling has ended up changing Ron's priorities from wanting glory to wanting love Which is completely OOC.

This again makes me conclude that Rowling loves Ron more than Harry.
beyond_the_veil
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athar
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Rowling was right--she let Hermione (and a few others) get away from her and had to shoehorn all of the characters back into her grand plan.

wait i missed this.. what did rowling say about hermione getting away from her??

and ps. i agree that characters go where they want to go... i've always felt that hhr was a more natural literary progression whereas r/h and (especially) g/h were forced
shrek2be
hmm...
What also I would like to say is I don't believe Rowling when she says that she was always going for OBHWF all along.
I mean there are so many things which go against that.
Viktor and Cho's jealous of H/Hr, I mean its ok once if they are only gonna be friends , but its repeated again? blink.gif
Also The kiss from hermione to Harry at the end of GoF.
What was the point of terming it as something she had never done before, if it was always meant to be platonic?
I still think from books 1-5 Rowling was perfectly aware that she was going H/Hr and that she wanted it.
I personally think she gave into the fandom, the OBHWf fandom which has always been percieved as the majority.
Plus the fact that she visits mostly Mugglenet and TLC which are OBHWf infested sites.
What I don't get is her needs to take digs and potshots at Harmonians and our theories .
Thats totally uncalled for.

IN DH. the only person who uses the power of love to overcome Voldemort is Ron, not Harry.
Personally I would like to thank Davaid Yates, the director of the movie version of OoTp who foreshadowed useless Harry!! from DH as he did in the Grawp scene where Harry is just useless whereas Ron tries to do something.


TheHarryinMe
Ah, very good point shrek2be. I still can't decide if she's always been working towards O.B.H.W.F. or not. The evidence you pointed out, along with the fact that she planned Arthur dying but changed it, points to a change in her overall plan. However, we know that she's had the final chapter for some time, so it makes me wonder if it was planned. Either way, I want to know what she was thinking when she changed tact in the last two books and went her own way. Was it a change of heart or a realisation of mistake? Neither can I forgive, really. She had us on the whole time no matter how you look at it, and sometimes she was less than kind about it. Kind of disappointing, really.
shrek2be
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Ah, very good point shrek2be. I still can't decide if she's always been working towards O.B.H.W.F. or not. The evidence you pointed out, along with the fact that she planned Arthur dying but changed it, points to a change in her overall plan. However, we know that she's had the final chapter for some time, so it makes me wonder if it was planned. Either way, I want to know what she was thinking when she changed tact in the last two books and went her own way. Was it a change of heart or a realisation of mistake? Neither can I forgive, really. She had us on the whole time no matter how you look at it, and sometimes she was less than kind about it. Kind of disappointing, really.

TheHarryinMe, IMO, JKR is lying about Arthur being the one who got a reprieve. The one death which has always been foreshadowed in the subtext is that of Ron.
What rowling said was that the character who was supposed to die in DH got a reprieve.
This decision , I think, came after GoF which was the period of the height of Ron's popularity. Could not that be the reason for the character of Luna to come so late in the series? I clearly felt she was created with the intention of being Ron's romantic partner.
Then again, Rowling mucked it up horribly.

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