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Louise

Jul 20 2007, 11:20 AM

In this thread, you are not allowed to comment on the H/Hr shippers, or any other shippers. You will restrict your posts to the H/Hr ship ONLY, and not the REAL people who support it.

You MUST read through the notes for posting in the ships forum before posting here (they can be found pinned at the top of the topic list in this forum), but above all, you must observe the following points -

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Okay...all that said...post away.

muggleview

Jul 23 2007, 12:55 PM

All things that were assumed, predicted, speculated are now either vindicated or proven wrong with DH.

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Amyrat151

Jul 23 2007, 03:02 PM

Wel............

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muggleview

Jul 23 2007, 03:45 PM

It proves the point, anyway.

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Amyrat151

Jul 23 2007, 05:03 PM

Never thought of it that way.

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muggleview

Jul 23 2007, 06:45 PM

For all fairness, Jo Rowling has given Harry and Hermione plenty times together in the past 6 books and then in DH

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Amyrat151

Jul 23 2007, 06:57 PM

To true Muggs

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muggleview

Jul 23 2007, 09:44 PM

It's very telling that no matter how many years have passed, Harry and Hermione won't feel awkward to meet each other, because they never had any romantic feeling towards each other. Harry might still have a soft spot for Cho, as Ginny still regards Neville as a close friend. Hermione might still be flushed when she spoke to Viktor, as Ron might want to keep any meeting with Lavender short, but Harry and Hermione won't have any uncomfortable feeling nor guilt, because they never develop anything but close friendship.

Amyrat151

Jul 23 2007, 10:54 PM

Right that is true, nothing but respect and comforting sibling-like love between them. There's no sexual feeling there.
Despite Ron's fears, there has never been anything there.

muggleview

Jul 25 2007, 02:55 PM

Reading again, I do feel Jo has expanded the explanation about her view on H/Hr much more in DH. She kindly addresses the topic

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I feel that's a good gesture to end the confusion. It's obviously no H/Hr ever.

Moon(I luv you Luna)

Jul 26 2007, 04:36 AM

When i read the part when

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But overall, yeah loved DH. Anti-H/Hr forever! (And now that's canon-yipee!)

Lauren0891

Jul 26 2007, 04:44 PM

Harry and Hermione was never going to happen.

Between Hermione and Ron there was always that awkwardness between them. When Hermione went to the Yule Ball with Krum, Ron was annoyed but Harry didn't mind. Harry also didn't care when Ginny said that Hermione had kissed Krum.

Let's also not forget the fights Ron and Hermione had in HBP. They all were based on their feelings for each other. Look at how upset Hermione was when Ron started dating Lavender? Did she get upset when Harry dated Cho? No. When Harry started dating Ginny did she send flocks of birds after him? No. Because she didn't feel that way about him.

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cristipotter

Jul 27 2007, 06:07 AM

So yeah, we've heard it from Harry's own lips! NO H-HR!

And of course the epilogue explains it all to those who still had hope...

LOVED THE BOOK!

And loved the RHr-ness! ...and HG-ness too!

Amyrat151

Jul 30 2007, 01:01 AM

Right Muggs, no more confusion.
Moon I wasn't jumping I was to busy crying. Seriously, I could barely read through my tears. Ron brought Harry back to life basicly, it's a very symbolic scene. And completely touching, Harry said that neither him nor Hermione where happy without Ron around, clearly if Harry was in love with Hermione he would of felt something.
Harry doesn't want to live without Hermione, there would always be a vacant lot in his life if she died, but he can. That's made clear.

LillithPotter

Aug 5 2007, 10:43 AM

Agreed.
Harry and Ginny are good the way they are. I don't think Hermione would have worked much anyway. I mean, it's logical...in a not logical way..ish
See, Harry is like the "main character" and it would be too cliche for him just to be with Hermione... whereas Ron is sorta..not as cliche ish.. maybe.
And I really liked that way that J.K Rowling proved to us that it would not have worked anyway, that she was more like a sister (again, there's this thing... Ginny is Ron's sister and and OMG it all fits!!) . Yea.
I'm actually pretty happy with the ending ~~

Amyrat151

Aug 6 2007, 04:51 AM

"Logical in a not logical way," very like love. It reminds me of the quote "the heart has it's reason, oh which reason knows nothing."
Yes Harry and Hermione get all, and fell comfterble around the other, but they don't want to kiss the other, and that's really the point of it! They have no trance of romantic feelings, they consider eachothe family.

#1_pottergrl

Aug 6 2007, 10:55 PM

This ship makes no sense at all! Whenever I read all of the HP books, I never thought that Harry and Hermione would end up together. The only thing I could sense from them was that they were really good friends who were their for each other when the other needed them.

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cristipotter

Aug 7 2007, 12:31 AM

I know! I don't know how it ever crossed my mind that Harry might end up with Hermione (that was a LOOONG time ago, by the way) and now I find it to have no sense...Harry seems so annoyed by Hermione sometimes that I actually feel bad for her! I'm like "Harry stop being so cruel to her

!" and he never feels his heart jolting/sinking/skipping a beat/failing or his stomach jolting/twisting/whatever when he sees Hermione, or when they touch or anything...instead when Ginny pulls a maggot out of his hair he feels goose bumps erupt up his neck and "that had nothing to do with the maggot".

Hermione doesn't care Harry is with Cho and is really happy when he's with Ginny, but when Ron is with Lavender she gets angry...

No H/Hr guys!

Amyrat151

Aug 7 2007, 12:47 AM

critsi, when you say it like that, it sounds so simple. Back before HBP, when the shipping debate was still relavant, that I thought, though there was a chance Hermione had feelings for Harry, the attraction was completely one-sided. Harry never notices that Hermione is remotely attractive before the Yule Ball, yet Victor manages.

KingSimbaII

Aug 9 2007, 10:16 AM

I could go on and on about why Harry and Hermione won't get together. In DH, while Ron had gone, both Harry and Hermione were thinking abobut and missing the ones they loved; Harry kept checking the Marauder's Map for Ginny, while Hermione kept spending most of her time crying about Ron.

Harry had also specified in DH that she is like a sister to him. Hermione and Ron had once slept holding hands. When Harry had his kiss with Cho and Ginny, Hermione was happy for him. When Ron kissed Lavender, Hermione was upset and angry.

There is more than enough proof that Harry and Hermione don't have romantic feelings for each other. The idea is just crazy

but Ron and Hermione go together forever!!!

utvolsfan15

Aug 9 2007, 11:03 PM

i never liked hermione because she was kinda snotty in the first few. i agree with what ron said in the first one on halloween when he was talking bad about hremione to harry.

cristipotter

Aug 10 2007, 01:17 AM

Well, I do like Hermione, she's my favorite female character from Harry Potter...it's just that I don't want her to be with Harry, I want her to be with Ron...and yes she IS very annoying sometimes, but Ron and Harry would be lost without her

Amyrat151

Aug 11 2007, 05:11 AM

KingSimbaII, very well said. It's simple really.
I, like cristi, love Hermione. She used to be my favorite character, till I liked them all equally. But I never wanted her to be with Ron just to be with Ron, I simply wanted all the characters to be with the people who was best suited for them and who would make them most happy. Hermione is clearly happy with Ron and their two kids, otherwise Miss head-strong wouldn't of stayed with Ron.

swagata

Aug 11 2007, 08:21 AM

H/Hr relationship was never possible,given harry's strong preference for non-library-going,qudditch-loving girl!He admired Hermione's talent (O,any sane person should admire her!!!),he relied upon her to solve many of his problems,but NEVER thought about her otherwise,you know what i mean!And Hermione,all praise for Harry's bravery and leadership ability (from the very 1st book:remember-"You will be a great wizard Harry" and "Books and Bravery!"??),always cares for Harry whom she considers as her best friend,NEVER fancied him.It had to be Ron and Ron only.They share such a nice sweet and sour relation!Thanx to Rowling that she did what had to be done.
But anyway,I hate Harry calling Hermy "sister"!Friendship is a different relation,it doesnt need any other name,does it?

Amyrat151

Aug 13 2007, 06:18 AM

No, indeed not. Hermione has admired Harry, and he admires her. Their relationship is based on respect, admiration, caring, and understanding. That's all that's there. No drop of romantic feelings where the either wonders what it's like to kiss the other or create images in their heads that require a parental disclaimer.

Lauren0891

Aug 13 2007, 11:57 AM

Didn't JKR say for herself that Harry/Hermione was never going to happen? I think she said something like "Whoever still ships Harry/Hermione after this book needs to go back and reread it" or something to that effect. So it would never happen! JKR said it herself.

I agree with what Amyrat151 said. There have never been any romantic feelings there. Harry has never wondered about what it would be like if they were together, he has simply never thought about her in that way.

Amyrat151

Aug 14 2007, 02:30 AM

Yes she has, more than once. She gave an interview in 2003, and Kate Corick (sp?) asked if Hermione and Harry will pair up, JK said that Harry and Hermione's relationship was plantonic, and Ron and Hermione have the tension.
And yes, in 2005, Emerson from Mugglenet, and Melissa from the Leaky Caludron JK said that those who think H/Hr should go back and reread.
And thank you, for agreeing with me.

Ima_LoOnYLoVeGoOd

Aug 14 2007, 05:13 PM

I always thought the Harry/Hermione ships were ridiculous! JKR has always said that they would never get together! i'm glad she stated that in DH once and for all! and im really glad the epilogue made that even more clear! hopefully supporters of H/Hr finally see it was R/Hr all along

Amyrat151

Aug 14 2007, 08:19 PM

The idea of Harry and Hermione was not unreasonable, but as a not so wise character in a Midsummer's Night Dream, Bottom, wisely stated "reason and love keep little company together." Many fans have thought that there might be something more on Hermione's side than friendly feelings, but she told Ron to ask her to the ball next time. If she had feelings for Harry she wouldn't of said that the way she did.

#1_pottergrl

Aug 14 2007, 08:53 PM

I agree Amyrat151. Through the first three books, I thought there could have been a chance that Harry and Hermione could get together, but it became evident that it wasn't meant to be in the fourth book when Hermione tells Ron to ask her to the next ball. At that moment, all hope for any relationship between Harry and Hermione, besides a friendship, was not possible.

cristipotter

Aug 15 2007, 02:59 AM

that's true, and HBP just confirmed it for us...

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I wouldn't have liked Harry and Hermione to end up together...their closeness to the Weasleys would've fallen totally apart since Ron clearly liked Hermione and Ginny obviously liked Harry, and the Weasleys were a huge part of Harry's life...even if they wanted to stay close, they woulnd't be able to...their friendship wouldn't be the same, and that's for sure, I'm talking from an experience actually...um...beside the point...

And it makes me sad actually that so much Ron and Ginny bashing exists... it really makes me SAD!

they're such good characters...really good people, just like Harry and Hermione...people should bash Voldemort, Bellatrix, but not Ron and Ginny.... poor people, I think I'll go cry now...seriously...

krazy4kreacher

Aug 15 2007, 03:33 AM

Wow! I never thought about the things you guys have said! I really never did. I mean, I've always thought Harry/Hermione would be bad but just because they were more brother-sisterly and Ron/Hermione always had more chemistry..

But the first page of this thread, you guys said some really great things! Someone said that you know in DH, JKR showed that it would never happen.

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Moon(I luv you Luna)

Aug 15 2007, 04:19 AM

H/Hr has never been realistic. I actualy never thought "It's gona be H/Hr" at all. I started thinking along the lines of R/Hr after the 2nd, but that's a different thread.

I love Harry and Hermione's relationship as friends, because they can be close to each other without feeling any awkwardness or tension. It'd be great, wouldn't it?

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cristipotter

Aug 15 2007, 11:02 PM

Oh, I know...I absolutely LOVE Harry and Hermione as friends that care a lot about each other, I actually enjoy the so called "HHr moments" in the series (which I find completely cute but totally not romantic) I do! but what I don't like is seeing them romantically involved...maybe if Ron and Ginny would've died in DH (which they fortunately didn't!!!) then I would have accepted it...even if it was really painful for me *sob*

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Amyrat151

Aug 16 2007, 06:06 AM

That's all I hoped for

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#1_pottergrl, plus Harry gets "annoyed of telling people Hermione wasn't his girlfriend." Plus Rita Skeeter prints nothing but entertaining and scandalous lies. If she thinks H/Hr has a chance, that tips off the reader there's no chance.
cristi, don't take the negative comments of Ron and Ginny, espically Ginny...I mean WOW some really nasty things have been said about her, personally or to seriously. A good portion of it is completely ridicolus. For example, there was a number of people who thought that Ginny was using a love potion to lure Harry into a relationship. Another portion may be sour grapes. Don't let it get you down.
krazy4kreacher, I think that was me. Well I said that he's not second with Harry either, but you got the point.
Moon, I really like Harry and Hermione as friends as well, and cristi, I like all the scenes between them as well. Very lovely, and they are quite sweet friends.

LunaMoon

Aug 16 2007, 01:18 PM

I never even thought of them as a ship, I am really not kidding, it's just not right. I read the first book when i was really little and even then I was a commplete R/Hr shipper... even though the shipping system hadn't been invented lol.

But I agree with Harry, he loves her like a sister.

cristipotter

Aug 16 2007, 11:13 PM

Well, I have to be honest...I used to see them as a couple, but I didn't like it...I liked RHr much much better...

I know Ellen, remember the whole "Ginny's female dogness" thing?! I mean... some people are really harsh! And yeah, I know, they're fictional...and I kinda talk bad stuff about Cho (she stole Harry from me, ok?) but I really feel bad for them, so bad it is a bit pathetic, actually...

I'm happy Harry loves Hermione as a sister... that proves they love each other much, just that not romantically (sp?)... and I'm happy he cleared that out himself after the locket scene...Harry loves Ginny, but that doesn't mean he doesn't love Hermione... just that differently

Moon(I luv you Luna)

Aug 17 2007, 01:51 AM

Ron and Ginny have really suffered some serious bashing because of the H/Hr ship. That was one of the reasons i was all for anti-H/Hr. If Harry and Hermione were to get together, Ron would seriously feel felt out, because, let's face it-it'd be nothing.

Harry and Hermione run off. They form their own little Potter family, while Ron and Ginny and the rest of the Weasley's sit crying the corner?

Ok, boviously, that would never ever happen, but ... does anyone know what i'm on about?

cristipotter

Aug 18 2007, 12:09 AM

Oh, I do! I do! I know what you mean Moon, that's one of the main reasons I'm a antiHHr too! I hate good character bashing, well I can accept some Cho bashing...but that's it... I have a friend is a HHr shipper, and she accepted that they were never going to be together and she even liked the RHr and HG moments! But her favorite ships were Harry/Hermione, Ron/Luna, Ginny/Neville.... well I don't know why I'm even telling you this!

The point is I don't like HHr, it is like a total anti-Weasley if you tell me...

Amyrat151

Aug 18 2007, 06:08 AM

I've said this how many times, I saw the first movie thought: H/Hr...with out giving much care to characters. But when I saw CoS, I cared quite a bit more about Harry Potter in general. The hug with H/Hr/hug R/Hr/nonhug is definitely the best thing Chris Columbus did ever, I haven't seen much of his work, and I do like Rent though (see my avatar). But anyway, you think "oh Harry and Hermione," but no...It’s very cleverly done. Because you're okay with hugging your friends, not so much with people when like when you're 12.
But I read the books knowing of H/Hr, because I went online and stuff. I read people's essays and found myself disagreeing with most of what I read, mostly their ideas about Ron. Worst of some being that he'd turn Death Eater, because he wouldn't want to be in Harry's shadow, the GoF argument stuff, and that his greatest contribution to the series would be his death, because it would bring Harry and Hermione closer, completely disregarding the importance of his character.
Cristi, well said, they love each other, but like brother and sister, simply put. And yes, some of it all is pathetic. Did you guys hear about that online petition that some angry fans put together who wanted JK to "rectify the situation" in HBP, meaning R/Hr and G/H.
So yeah Moon, we get what you're on about.

KingSimbaII

Aug 20 2007, 07:19 PM

Harry and Hermione...well, I have no words, I can't say anything except: IT WON'T AND CAN'T HAPPEN. I mean, it's quite...unrealistic. It's just like...there's a hero and two sidekicks, one boy and one girl, and the hero gets the heroine, blah blah blah...it's just unorignal.

JKR made it so much more...orignal. Yeah, orignal. And not to mention realistic. The sidekick getting the girl...hero getting sidekick's sister...so much more believable. There is so much evidence from book one that it will be R/Hr, and I'm sure JKR knew that herself when she started writing.

'Nuff said.

Amyrat151

Aug 20 2007, 08:45 PM

Well, KingSimbaII, it is R/Hr, it's done, it's the end of it all. The fat lady has sung, bowed, and left the the crowd. I rhymed. But JK never meant it to happen, H/Hr. The idea that it could of happened isn't a crazy one, but by taking a look at the facts, it's clear that it was never meant to be. For one, Harry never thinks that Hermione is pretty, expect for the Yule Ball. This might look encourging, if he had not also labeled Partiv, Padma, Fluer, and Cho as looking "pretty" as well. And in DH when she was in Hermione was in dress robes, I'm sure she looked lovely, Harry didn't remark on her apperance, only having eyes for Ginny. But Ron did, "always the surprise."
Hermione, trys to help Harry advance in his relationship with Cho, and shows her support for the relationship with Ginny, by "beaming" when he kissed her.

cristipotter

Aug 21 2007, 02:22 AM

It's true, Harry never showed signs of liking Hermione in that way... he felt things for Cho and for Ginny, feeling dizzy when they were around and stuff, but Hermione's touch doesn't seem to affect him at all (hug, clutch, etc) while Ginny pulling a freaking maggot out of his hair makes him feel dizzy...

I don't think that it became RHr in book 4 as so many people claim...I think it was RHr right from the beginning, but we can't expect 11 year olds to show signs of love, right? The same for Harry and Ginny, but Harry was in love with someone else first before Ginny (Cho).

Amyrat151

Aug 21 2007, 05:53 AM

I don't think Harry was ever in love with Cho, if he was in love with anything that had to do with Cho or their relationship, it was the idea of being in love and happy with someone.
But I agree, I think that R/Hr started at least in CoS. Ron doesn't like that Hermione is so taken with Lockhart, and Hermione moves Scabbers out of the way on Ron's bed to sit down when she could of sat on Harry's ratless bed. I think that Hermione figured she liked Ron when he though he almost got stabbed in PoA by Sirius.

sherrilina

Sep 20 2007, 07:25 AM

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Oh, I do! I do! I know what you mean Moon, that's one of the main reasons I'm a antiHHr too! I hate good character bashing, well I can accept some Cho bashing...but that's it... The point is I don't like HHr, it is like a total anti-Weasley if you tell me...

Just curious, but why is it okay to bash Cho, but not to bash Ginny? Just seems rather hypocritical to me...personally I find Cho to be a good character, and hence under the realm of "good-character bashing" as you would say....

Moon(I luv you Luna)

Sep 20 2007, 09:21 AM

sherrilina, my guess is that it's ... well *cough* not ok. I guess it's not exactly fair, is it?

My only answer is that Harry/Cho we've all seen as Harry's first girlfriend-obviously it wasn't going to last, and to tell you the truth, i don't mind her much.

Ginny, well, it's been confimed they're going to last and there's nothing we can really do about it. That's all i can think of to say really.

But back on-topic.

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That's always the thing that made me go "No way" to H/Hr. Harry doesn't show signs of liking her, and he never will. Paltonic friends, that's the key. Good friends, nothing more as there's no feelings between them.

Amyrat151

Sep 20 2007, 03:15 PM

I personally think that Cho should get more sympathy than she does, because I feel really have for her...but she didn't stick up for Harry against her friend who betrayed them all. Ginny has not done anything of the sort; I think Cristi was trying to say that just because Ginny's with Harry, and not someone else, shouldn't make her an object for bashing fonder.
On topic: What do we think about the Horcrux kiss between Harry and Hermione

Moon(I luv you Luna)

Sep 21 2007, 11:42 PM

Ellen, i thought it was meanestly funny! Like at that point, Harry yells "Ron do it now!" or something along the lines of that and in my opinion it's like "Ron, do it now so i don't have to look at it much longer!" it's like it was traumatizing for him.

But that's just me reading too much into it. If i was Harry, that's what i'd think, because ehy-it's like kissing your sister. Weird.

cristipotter

Sep 22 2007, 12:18 AM

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I never really bash Cho actually, I just don't like her, so if anyone bashes her it doesn't really get me as if someone bashes Ginny or Ron. I don't think it's okay to bash her, but if someone does, to be honest it doesn't make me that angry...at all...that's what I meant before

It's just that...he stole Harry from me

*cough* well, so did Ginny, I'm just childish about it because I was pretty young when they kissed and I was like "how could he do this to me!?"...talk about ridiculous little kids

...oh and I thought this was for non-supporters only? Well who cares

Okay, on topic

: I was really surprised the "ghosts" kissed, I was like "no they didn't" and I was sure that would make Ron destroy that awful thing! Poor Ron, I felt so bad for him! and Moon, the second time I read it I thought the same! I thought Harry was more like "MAKE THAT THING STOP!!!! NOOOOOOO!" heheh... but no what I really believe he was feeling is fear that Ron in some degree would actually believe it...

I've said it before and I'll say it again: poor Ron...

kkrocks1

Sep 23 2007, 07:28 PM

well i never thought that harry loved hermione.

he said to victor that hermione isn't his girlfriend.

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