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Louise

Jul 20 2007, 11:22 AM

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sherrilina

Jul 25 2007, 01:38 PM

Well gee, this thread seems so lonely, and the world could always do with some good H/G venom, so I'll just get the ball rolling I suppose.

First of all, before I get to H/G stuff, I wanted to get to a supposed "comparison" b/t H/G and Arthur/Gueneviere that was offered as "evidence" that they "belong together". I find it amusing how one could say H/G (or any couple) are like Arthur/Gueneviere like it's a good thing, when really they are far from an ideal couple! Arthur only marries Guen in the first place b/c she has a large dowry (there's one contrast to H/G--in HP Harry's the one with all the money!), with not much choice in the matter for Guen, then there's the fact that they endure childlessness their whole marriage, when Arthur has slept with his half-sister and had a child by her (gee, considering that Hermione is ostensibly a "sister" to Harry, does that mean that Harry will have a relationship with her, to keep the A/G=H/G parallel going? ), which didn't go over well with barren Guen, and then there's the fact that from the very beginning Gueneviere loved Lancelot, and ends up finally having an illicit affair with him that tears the kingdom apart, with her bad marriage to Arthur ending at last as Lancelot saves her from the flames and runs off with her, where she's never seen again. So in short, with A/G we have a miserable, childless relationship ending in adultery and the wife leaving the husband with another man--boy, what a great relaitonship! Honestly, A/G was a terrible, extremely unlucky relationship, and if H/G are supposed to be like them, then it's a sign that they're not going to last or that their relationship will be awful (or childless), not that H/G belong to each other!

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Anyway, so in HBP we left off with the shallow, lust-and-hero-worship-only kind of relationship b/t Harry and Ginny, in which at most they "like" each other, and this "relationship" was hastily and sloppily developed and brought about in an entirely unconvincing matter using a handy chest monster (aka PURE LUST not love!), and then they go out for about 3 weeks, out of which we see about 1 or 2 scenes only, and only one kiss. Then Harry breaks up with Ginny "for her own good" and Ginny nearly burns Harry with her fierce, "blazing" looks!

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In any case, H/G remains by far the worst, cheesiest ship of the series!

TheHarryinMe

Jul 25 2007, 02:04 PM

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Abraxas

Jul 25 2007, 07:02 PM

I have no reason not to like this ship. However, I do not like this ship one bit. I think it was a little silly that James married a red-haired girl with a fiery temper that he had met in school, and then, what a surprise, Harry married a red-haired girl with a fiery temper that he met in school. Silly, silly parallel. Not to mention Harry was Ginny's fifty-something-th boyfriend. Why did she go out with all those guys anyway? Was she trying to make Harry jealous or something?

Oh well, I guess I have to accept it, it has been written by the great JKR. Still ... there's still time for a divorce

Interesting what you said about the Arthur/Guineviere parallel, sherrilina. I think I understood. Possibly.

Dumbledore's Widow

Jul 25 2007, 07:38 PM

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In any case, H/G remains by far the worst, cheesiest ship of the series!

As usual, I agree 100% with what you said in this post sherrilina!

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Padfoot, Prongs and Moony

Jul 26 2007, 01:28 AM

Again, I have no problems with this ship but (as Abraxas says) I don't like it one bit either. And I also agree with you, Harry marring his mother is what it is like! Since Ginny looks and acts like his mother but is like his father also, going out with 'fifty-something' boyfriends. Can't we conclude that James went out with a lot of women when he went to school? And that Lily probably didn't go out with that many and how Harry didn't either. I dunno, I think that Harry just wants to marry the parents he never knew, in that case, extremely lame.

TheHarryinMe

Jul 26 2007, 04:11 AM

I still find the similarities in the chapter illustrations for Deathly Hallows to be rather unnerving in how much Lily and Ginny look alike. Actually, how much they look to be exact copies of one another. Just creeps me out, especially when we really have no basis for a Harry and Ginny relationship other than it mirrors his parents - despite what J. K. Rowling says. If she wanted Ginny to be Harry's ideal girl like she said in her interview, she should have shown us, not merely told us. Disappointing.... Simply disappointing....

CrazyNutt-Nutt actually my name

Jul 26 2007, 08:47 AM

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dear, dear.*shakes head*you know H/G kinda ruined DH in a way.well for me anyway.their relationship sucked.i was really hoping that Jo could fix Harry's girlfriend situation by him getting a new one.when Ginny took him into her room and said that she wanted to give Harry something to 'really remember' her by, i was disgusted.without ever having proper communication with each other throughout their 3 week relationship, and not even speaking at least one whole sentence to each other since Harry first arrived at The Burrow, Ginny's first move is to shove her tongue down his throat and to give herself to him.until Ron intervened of course, and too right!he doesn't want his baby sister doing things like that ever, let alone when she wasn't even going with Harry at the time anyway.i would have been able to put up with H/G if it had only been that once in HBP, and the moments where Jo tried to express their 'love' would have been very sweet, if only they were convincing just a little bit.but they weren't.it's just too easy, everything to do with H/G is just unrealistic, and is the reason why i was so disappointed with DH.there are no proper foundations to the whole H/G 'love' story, and although i'm english and haven't seen the US illustration of Lily, James etc, it's still horrible to think that Ginny is Lily.Lily is smart, sophisticated, beautiful, talented, skillful, and has auburn hair.Ginny is, as far as we know, an average student, talented on the quidditch pitch-which is hereditary, is pretty, is covered in freckles, and has bright ginger hair.Lily only ever has a fiery temper when she sees people bullying, and making unprovoked attacks.Ginny has a fiery temper.that's it.she hexes when annoyed, when she could just walk away instead.if you ask me Ginny comes off as an arrogant, superficial, childish, less than average, takes advantage, nymphet and something else which i'm not allowed to post, kind of person.and all she and Harry ever did was snog themselves senseless in the 'more secluded corners' of Hogwarts.Harry should have ended up with someone who could not only sympathize with him but empathize, someone who maybe could have kept him guessing, instead of being so shallow that it could take a dazed chimp butt to figure out within a minute or two, someone who wouldn't leave 'history repeating itself', which is something that so is NOT happening!too much to say, so little time.i have to sort out my chores and stuff now so i can't write anymore.bye bye and i'll probably be back later knowing me.
BeckyN

Dumbledore's Widow

Jul 26 2007, 08:25 PM

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athar

Jul 27 2007, 04:00 AM

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I couldnt have said it better... just because she can do a bat bogey hex doesnt mean she could survive an encounter with LV... in fact the only time she did come in contact with him Harry had to save her. There are so many other people who have proven themselves to be just as talented, if not more talented, witches. I'm just glad that we barely saw any of the two of them (thank god she didnt join the trio in the search... I probably wouldnt have been able to deal with it)

sherrilina

Jul 27 2007, 02:49 PM

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Actually you give Ginny more credit than she deserves here:

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She doesn't even do what everyone else is doing, but LESS--when everyone else runs off to fight, Harry wants her to stay behind in a special room, protected and away from the action. We see her give one well-aimed jinx, and hear she tries to steal the sword along with Neville and Luna--and that's it, her whole contribution to the book (besides being Harry's reward for the end of his journey)--she basically spent the whole book waiting around for her hero to come home from battle, and fill her with babies! Who she doesn't even get a share in naming!

Honestly, Ginny is far from an equal in this book, and once more we don't really see her doing any magic--she doesn't even do her bogey hex in this book! The OoTP movie is innacurate, in that we see her doing magic! Powerful magic, which we can now attest is NOT IN THE BOOKS! So yea, basically Ginny has no role in this book except as Harry's Reward and the Walking Weasley Womb to give Harry a family with. And this is the love of his life, his equal? Once again, we didn't see love so much as lust on Harry's part--Ginny gives him a "kiss" and possibly herself to remember her by (not like say, a keepsake or a momento, etc?), which is very telling as to what their relationship is based on, Harry only thinks of them snogging (and apparently that's what they spent all their time going, just like Lav-Lav and Won-Won--wow, really deep and meaningful relationship there JK!

), and his last thoughts before dying are of her lips on his--in other words, her snogging abilities, rather than her alleged "warm and compassionate" personality or her fiery and "funny" personality. Not only is that really cheesy, but also really shallow! There may be no chest monster in this book (thank goodness!) but Harry's feelings for Ginny are still largely lust only--we still don't see why he has any feelings for her besides lust in the first place.

Also, how about the whole 'he likes Ginny b/c she doesn't cry' deal? Yes, b/c god forbid a woman you're dating show emotion and grief, so that god forbid, you have to make an effort to COMFORT her, or give her something in the relationship, as opposed to her just giving her all to you! Like in the end, when he doesn't go up and comfort Ginny after Fred dies and SHE's grieving, CRYING even (becoming a 'human housepipe' herself--yeah, that's a really nice relationship and love, glad to see you care Harry!

Not to mention that at the very end he dismisses the idea of talking with Ginny with "Well, we have our whole lives ahead of us!" and goes off to hang with Ron and Hermione instead--he must really love that grieving Ginny! Who he's been pining for the whole book...though I guess what he was pining for was not talking...

And how about how irrationally jealous Ginny got throughout the book, like Gabrielle (who's only 11 for crying out loud, and just like her--hypocrite!), Cho, and the veela that Harry might meet (and which she needed to ensure against with a firewhisky kiss and potentially sex!)--it's like Ginny knows how little her relationship with Harry is based on, and that his attentions very well could wander to greener pastures, given how little they share. The fact that they are supposedly married all these years is very unbelievable, unless it's b/c Ginny Sue's special Mary Sue powers make her so custom-fitted to Harry's desires and expectations that she never gives him any trouble and doesn't care how he treats her? The whole crapilogue was so focused on their kids anyway, HG (and RH) abrely exchanged any words with one another!

Anyway, while it was nice that HG was barely present in the book b/c Ginny Sue thankfully was mostly absent, JK failed to make it at all convincing or compelling (though she succedded in cliched and cheesy!), and definitely failed if she wanted to make Ginny special or Harry's equal! Harry's "equal" is Voldemort, as said in the books, lol, or in terms of kids, Hermione and Ron are much more Harry's equal than Ginny is...and that's probably partly b/c Harry treats them like equals, and not as some object or doll to be protected and used when desired.....

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Jul 27 2007, 04:18 PM

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Jul 27 2007, 04:52 PM

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HJP/HJG_TrueLove

Jul 27 2007, 06:05 PM

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I think that was my longest ever post sadly

xdarkserpentx

Jul 28 2007, 03:48 PM

I completely agree with all of you. Ginny was only ever attracted to Harry because he was the famous Boy-Who-Lived and Harry is only attracted to Ginny because of her 'maturing beauty'. It seems to me that this is more of a lust oriented relationship. I hardly blame Harry though, he hasn't had much time for girls other than the Cho situation so why not grab the next available girl? His best friend's sister. I just really don't see a real relationship between them unlike the chemistry and JKR was able to describe for Ron and Hermione. I think it was a bit random...there was no building connection.

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Jul 28 2007, 05:12 PM

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Just my two sickles, as the saying goes!

UnknownLocket

Jul 28 2007, 05:27 PM

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I think it was a bit random...there was no building connection.

And just like many relationships in the Harry Potter series, there is no building connection. Well, I guess besides the relationship between Hermione and Ron, where the hints were thrown at us so directly that we just had to see it coming.

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Jul 29 2007, 01:29 PM

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opaque

Jul 30 2007, 03:53 AM

I am so set against Ginny. She is a truly empty character. I also find it highly disturbing and irritating that Harry only takes notice of her when she suddenly becomes "beautiful" and "popular" and sought-after. I find that Rowling made her far TOO perfect.

Apparently, Ginny is:
-beautiful
-athletic
-intelligent, but not irritatingly studious
-witty
-brave
-popular, but still sweet to unpopular students
-a very talented witch
-the possesser of a certain "hard, blazing look" (this is almost as bad as the monster purring within Harry's chest!)

Does the girl have no faults whatsoever? I find her extremely hard to relate to.

Many of my friends dislike Fleur because she's too "perfect" but I disagree. I love Fleur, and think she's a beautifully rounded character, with her own flaws. But GINNY... erk.

UnknownLocket

Jul 30 2007, 04:01 AM

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-a very talented witch

I have a problem with accepting this statement. I know that JKR and fans of Ginny have claimed that she is talented but as far as we know, that only applies to the bat-bogey hex, which I'm sure Harry or Hermione can do just as well or even better. But besides that one hex, she really isn't very talented at all and has barely stayed alive during a duel on three occassions where she was saved once by Luna (5th book), once by Harry (6th book), and once again by her mother (7th book). She proves to be insufficient as a witch and I don't understand why Harry would fall for such a woman who is incapable of taking care of herself. But your right, she is an empty character who overall serves no purpose to the series than to be Harry's love interest, and who is very hard to relate to.

opaque

Jul 30 2007, 04:11 AM

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-a very talented witch

I have a problem with accepting this statement. I know that JKR and fans of Ginny have claimed that she is talented but as far as we know, that only applies to the bat-bogey hex, which I'm sure Harry or Hermione can do just as well or even better. But besides that one hex, she really isn't very talented at all and has barely stayed alive during a duel on three occassions where she was saved once buy Luna (5th book), once by Harry (6th book), and once again by her mother (7th book). She proves to be insufficient as a witch and I don't understand why harry would fall for such a woman who is incapable of taking of herself. But your right, she is an empty character who overall serves no purpose to series than to be Harry's love interest, and who is very hard to relate to.

I agree with you in that we haven't seen much from her, but JKR and the characters keep droning on and on about her "amazing strength" and how "size is no indication of power."
I personally like to think of her as mediocre and average in every way... but there have been too many hints and instances to overlook.

Just the Droobles

Jul 30 2007, 06:04 AM

Hey guys, I was wondering if we could turn the Ginny-bashing back into the Venom H/G ship? That would be very appreciated. I know Ginny may be the center of dislike for the ship in itself, but please keep on track on why you are displeased with the ship as a whole.

Thank you.
Droobles

athar

Jul 30 2007, 06:35 AM

Why do i hate this ship as a whole?
sadly enough i think that its a combination of the way it was introduced to us (i.e. the infamous chest monster) and Ginny herself (i know thats horrible but hear me out). I believe that from a literary stand point this ship is underdevelope and relies too much on the assumption that the reader knows what is going on in the writers head. Because we all know that jo is definitely not a poor writer, i think that maybe the finer details of harry and Ginny got lost in the effort to get through the major plot lines. It also may have been a deliberate technique that sometimes love comes from unexpected places. Either way I dont think that it worked as a technique... at least not for me. I felt that it was hurried and for one of the first times in hp i felt that i was being force-fed an idea/relationship...
Now as for Ginny. I know this isnt a Ginny bashing thread and I dont mean this comment to become that, but to be honest I dont feel that Ginny is worthy of Harrry. I obviously have my preferred pairing (hhr!!) but i'm one of those people that was open to the idea of Harry being with other people. But all that we've really seen Ginny do are some very well done bat bogey hexes.

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got harry?

Jul 31 2007, 08:03 AM

Well, well...we meet again H/G Venom thread..I have not been in here for the longest while...
Let's get right to it, shall we:

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UnknownLocket

Jul 31 2007, 11:29 PM

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Lol, moRons, very funny. I love it!

But now, to discuss why I hate the ship as a whole (since I sort of deviated from the subject

). There are two main reasons, well actually three because I don't think that Ginny is the right girl for Harry, but also, it's completely shallow, as has been said many times before, and Harry treats her like (terrible). Now, I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but Ginny deserves better. For 5 years, Harry has never looked at her or thought of her as someone to be interested in. She was just the annoying little sister who had this stupid and great obsession with him. And then finally, when she starts to mature and grow into this beautiful person that she is described as in the series, Harry finally starts to look at her and think "hey, maybe something can happen between us." And young Ginny jumps on the opportunity to finally be with the object of her obsession, not ever stopping to think why he suddenly had a change of heart.

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Dumbledore's Widow

Jul 31 2007, 11:57 PM

Poor little poor girl!

Unknownlocket, I have to say that I don't feel the least bit sorry for Ginny. Personally, I think she has a mental problem, but that's just me. Had Harry not given her the time of day in HBP, I think the girl would have gone totally mental. Become a stalker. Resorted to potions. Wait! That's what a lot of us thought she did in HBP! But we know now that the
ONLY reason Harry is with Ginny is because Rowling chose Ginny as Harry's "ideal". Yes, I realize that this is one of those, "Well DUH!" moments, Rowling is the author after all! But, we also know that Rowling never wrote why Ginny was Harry's "ideal", she had to tell us in interviews, she had to 'splain it all to us.

And, all because she wanted OBHWF.

Naw! I don't feel the least bit sorry for Ginerva. Not one little bit. In fact, there are times, given Harry's behavior, that I think that they actually deserve one another!

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UnknownLocket

Aug 1 2007, 12:33 AM

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Poor little poor girl!

Why yes, Dumbledore's Widow I read that interveiw and saw what JKR had to say about her characters.

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Once again, JKR has to resort to an interveiw to explain things further rather than writing it in her book *sigh*. But I really don't buy into that whole "Ginny is Harry's ideal"

. It probably was just an excuse so as to make it OBHWF.

Dominique

Aug 1 2007, 02:09 PM

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sherrilina

Aug 1 2007, 07:08 PM

Hey fellow Choco-haters! Here, I posted this on a thread on another forum, and thought it really sums up my feelings about HG and the epilogue in DH:

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The problem with the epiloue is that we're left with Harry/Ginny, a couple based on nothing more than lust and sex (as reaffirmed in DH), getting married and living happily ever after--how on earth could that happen?! What on earth would keep them together all those years, when their relationship is so shallow and based on so little, and when they have so little in common, etc? Yes, maybe they did grow to know each other better in the interval of 19 years, but how would we know?! To quote one very true phrase, "19 Years Later....Just Pretend They Got To Know Each Other!" We have never seen Harry and Ginny share ONE meaningful conversation in all the time they're going out and afterwards--all Harry recalls of their relationship is snogging (and god knows what else) in dark corners at Hogwarts, his last thought before "dying" is of Ginny's snogging abilities, and in the end when she's grieving for Fred and could really do with some comfort, he passes up the opportunity to talk with her, going instead to Ron and Hermione, whose company he obviously cares for and values more than that of his "TWU WUV" (or True Lust, to be more accurate). There is no development at all of their relationship from the immature and juvenile "chest monster" (re: lust and hormones) of HBP, unless you count Ginny losing any spark she once had to become Harry's submissive snogdoll in DH! So the idea that Harry and Ginny marry and live happily ever after, and are still married after 19 years, given what the realtionship left off as, is completely ridiculous and unrealistic (yes, I know magic and such is unrealistic, but the human interactions are supposed to be real enough in these books!)--though it doesn't seem like much of a marriage later from what we see in the crapilogue, in which Ginny and Harry don't even speak to one another, only to the children, until the very end (when Harry says one line ABOUT the children, and she replies). At least RHr are speaking and interacting with one another in the crapilogue--with HG it almost seems like one of those marriages where they're only still in it for the kids, and live for the kids!

Lauren0891

Aug 3 2007, 07:22 PM

I agree with what's been said completely, this is not a loving relationship but a relationship based on lust. They've never had one meaningful conversation as sherrilina said. And what really could they have in common?

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I'm not a H/Hr shipper, so I wouldn't have Harry with Hermione. I don't actually know who I would have Harry with... but I know it wouldn't be Ginny.

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Aug 3 2007, 11:17 PM

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Aug 4 2007, 08:50 PM

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Reyna

Aug 6 2007, 05:15 AM

Oh, I've been reading this thread along with many others I've been waiting to reply to for a few days now - I had trouble getting my registration code in. Thank goodness I can finally express myself!!

Okay, so I waited until after the last book, when everthing was "set in stone", to sign up. I really didn't want to involve myself at all with the HP world outside of the books until I knew what happened and needn't worry about spoilers. I, personally, am a diehard Harmonian. In my mind, it will never be any other way. But honestly, even if I was a supporter of the disgusting "OBHWF" idea, I would be absolutely embarrassed on the shallow levels my relationships had sunken to in the last two books. R/Hr rants are for another thread, so for now I will express my opinions on this whole H/G business.

First of all, Ginny wasn't even a part of Harry's life for his first 15 years (with the exception of small contact in CoS and OotP - which I find insignificant and misleading), and in his 16th she becomes his lifelong love? There is something incredibly wrong with that. Lifetime relationships take years to develop, and while JKR had plently of time to introduce this "wonderful" character as someone that will play a big role in Harry's life, she spends much more time focusing on relationships with his friends!! Ginny could have been developed much more nicely, into someone we may actually appreciate. (Though I'll admit, it would be a stretch for me since I haven't liked her from the start.) But in HBP, she goes from "the little sister" to "the dreamgirl" - pretty, popular, perfect. Not to mention incredible Quiddich player, skilled witch, and nice. Gag! Besides, none of these qualities are properly displayed. Instead it seems as if too much effort was put into making her "Harry's perfect girl", which resulted in her being the complete opposite. Besides, who would want to be in a relationship with someone flawless? Most surely it'd be too much pressure.

I realise that I'm beginning to wander off-topic, making it more of a "Venom: Ginny" than a "Venom: H/G" so I will try to bring myself back to my focus.

The relationship between these two characters is a ridiculously shallow one, I mean, their only contact is sexual. Where is the substance? There is none!! Beneath all the endless kissing, what do you have? Two people who claim that they're in love, but cannot honestly carry out a conversation of value!! It's a relationship based off of lust, which is a terrible way to live out your life, not to mention a terrible example of a romancce being set for your children.

JKR, I'm sorry, but you really didn't think this one through.

~Reyna

Creamy Coconut

Aug 7 2007, 04:38 PM

I dunno, I think Harry deserves someone less...I dunno? Shallow? I just don't think Ginny is interesting enough for Harry. The relationship was kind of a disappointment to me. Harry deserves someone deeper, like...ME! I fully support Harry Potter and Me! If J.K. Rowling knew about me, she would probably forget about Ginny in a heartbeat. Hehehehehe!

Lauren0891

Aug 7 2007, 05:03 PM

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But in HBP, she goes from "the little sister" to "the dreamgirl" - pretty, popular, perfect. Not to mention incredible Quiddich player, skilled witch, and nice. Gag! Besides, none of these qualities are properly displayed. Instead it seems as if too much effort was put into making her "Harry's perfect girl", which resulted in her being the complete opposite. Besides, who would want to be in a relationship with someone flawless? Most surely it'd be too much pressure.

I completely agree with you. I liked her in the first five books. Although she didn't really have a huge part to play in them, she seemed sweet and nice. But all that changed in HBP. She went from nice to arrogant and full of herself. No one could be that perfect, JKR just tried to make her out to be Harry's 'Trophy Wife'.

But she's hardly a talented witch. She showed no extroadinary talent in the Battle of Hogwarts and she even admitted that without the Felix potion at the final battle in HBP she would not have made it. Too much effort was put, as you said Reyna, into making her the perfect girl for Harry. Instead more effort should have been put into making her a likeable person who shares a lot in common with Harry and so therefore is a good match for him.

athar

Aug 8 2007, 05:49 AM

I'm not entirely convinced that jk spent much time showing us that ginny is the perfect girl for Harry. I mean we have heard JK say it... but I havent really seen it in the books. I odnt think that people who read this series in... oh twenty years will be able to see where the etire relationship came from because they wont be reading old interviews.

TheHarryinMe

Aug 9 2007, 04:26 AM

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"In the sixth book and what happens in the relationship with Harry -- it really shows she's not the little sister anymore -- she's become herself. When I was reading it I wasn't expecting it at all -- it was nice. I liked how it came through, as obviously in the first book she showed a liking towards Harry."

What?! Even she wasn't expecting it! No one was! Because it was a stupid idea to begin with!

And what's this with this first book stuff? She's just obsessed with his fame, not him, which would still be shallow anyway. It's just plain silly. I thought the characters grew. Apparently not.

krazy4kreacher

Aug 9 2007, 05:15 AM

I've liked Ginny all the way up to the third time I read HBP. By then I was starting to get annoyed of her.

So when DH came out and she was barely in it, I was like ookayy, this is good. And then the "offering" up of her self as many of you guys said. I didn't think of it in that way. I honestly thought she was jsut going to kiss him or something. Maybe that's what JKR meant.

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WeasleyIsMyKing

Aug 9 2007, 05:45 AM

My sister and I were apalled when Harry suddenly liked Ginny. First off like everyone said Ginny isn't a developed character at all. I think that JKR had Ron and Hermione, Lupin and Tonks, Fleur and Bill together and was like "hmm well I guess Harry needs a girl too. Lets see. eeny meeny miney Ginny!" Also from the development we do get we see that she is very shallow. In the fifth book she dates Mclaggen, then she's with Dean (I think there was someone in between...) and all you ever do is see them snog, no doubt all the times she ditched Harry before they were dating to be with Dean was to snog with him. And to me, Ginny doesn't seem like Harry's perfect girl, she seems like a booty call. Harry is the kind of character that needs a girl that will be there for him and let him cry on her shoulder and not think anything less of him. He needs to be able to talk to his girlfriend like he talks to Hermione. (I am not implying that I want Harry and Hermione together because I really do not support that ship, its jsut and example) It is hard to tell if Ginny would have anything to say considering her weak upbringing. (by JKR not Mrs. Weasley) AND when Harry dumped her at the end of HBP, Ginny didn't seem the least bit upset all she had to say was "This is a hero thing isn't it?" (not a direct quote) To me it just shows that Ginny only dated Harry so she can say that she snogged the only wizard to survive the killing curse and nothing else. Ginnny didn't have any comforting words to say to Harry or tell him that she supports him or that she wants to help him ( I am aware he would have denied her request but still) she just swished her hair in his face and probably went looking for another person to make out with.
And since all relationships, good or bad, take two, let's talk about how Harry did his part to add to the shallowness of it all. Was it just me or did Harry only look at Ginny more than just Ron's little sister when she became all beautiful and great at qudditch? And was it my imaginaton still or did Harry spend more time lurking behind Draco in HBP then he did trying to atleast talk to Ginny? And maybe my memory is fuzzy, but did Harry have one conversation with Ginny before he that luke warm kiss after the quddich match? And didn't Harry just brush past Ginny instead of comforting her after Fred died? Okay I'm done asking obvious questions. But as much as I hate Ginny, Harry is just as much to blame at the lack of substance in this relaionship. If I wrote the books I wouldn't've have but Harry with anyone, it would have made he seem even stronger and shown how focused he was on stopping the destruction of the wizarding world. But then again Ginny didn't come across his brain much anyway. So how Harry and Ginny made a relationship last is beyond me.

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beyond_the_veil

Aug 9 2007, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(WeasleyIsMyKing @ Aug 9 2007, 06:45 AM) [snapback]430990[/snapback]

And was it my imaginaton still or did Harry spend more time lurking behind Draco in HBP then he did trying to at least talk to Ginny? And maybe my memory is fuzzy, but did Harry have one conversation with Ginny before he that luke warm kiss after the quddich match? So how Harry and Ginny made a relationship last is beyond me.

This what really annoys me about H/G.They have basically no interaction in the first four books. In OOTP there is slightly more, and then wham in HBP Ginny is there,beautiful and the 'popular' girl.But they still don't have any lengthy conversations, and you may be right WeasleyIsMyKing in saying that they only have one decent conversation in HBP.And then they just randomly kiss

and they are together???

This would never happen in the real world so that's what makes it so unbelievable for me.

Rant over

Corpus_Agnelli

Aug 16 2007, 03:12 AM

H/G (or any of the main ships for that matter) is like the popular couple from high school that you don't personally know, but think you do.
Whether through rumors or 3rd party sources, you're able to craft what they are like in your mind; thus, creating their environment and their compatibility based on inference with respect to your own personality.

That's partly why I don't like H/G. What I literally "get" from the book crafts a supposition of their personality, which conflicts with my own personality and values, and therefore I don't like the ship. That's also why I root for H/Hr, but that's all I'll say about that to remain on subject.

I dare say that Jo Rowling "telling" me through the books or via interviews as to why H/G works is akin to the popular high school couple's friends telling my why that couple is so great. Those words are empty as action speak louder than words, and the behavior of H/G since HBP speaks volumes (and is more convincing for me) than what Rowling is telling me to believe.

Yes, Rowling is the author and you can argue that being the creator, she IS Harry and Ginny and has authority to speak for them - as well as squashing the reasons for other ships. But as any good story will reveal (Harry Potter being one), characters evolve beyond the author's words and how we judge these ships (Jo inclusive) reflect our own personal biases - not what the books "tells" us.

Which is why any "concrete proof" that H/G is great won't sway me because, unless the REAL Harry and Ginny comes to me and somehow convinces me in person how great they are (and if that could actually happen, I'd be very suspect as to why they'd need to convince ME and every other anti-H/G shipper, hehe), I don't buy it from 3rd party observers.

It's a pity we're in the minority. I actually resent being invalidated for my opinions more than H/G being together

. [sarcasm] Am I the only one? Is it okay to feel like this? [/sarcasm]

athar

Aug 18 2007, 06:00 AM

QUOTE(Corpus_Agnelli @ Aug 15 2007, 08:12 PM) [snapback]434828[/snapback]

It's a pity we're in the minority. I actually resent being invalidated for my opinions more than H/G being together

. [sarcasm] Am I the only one? Is it okay to feel like this? [/sarcasm]

whats funny about that (the whole being in the minority thunng) is that i dont actually know a single person who actually ships harry and Ginny. The closest that they get to support (from the people that I know) is that one of my best friends doesnt mind them together... thats a long ways off from actually liking.

I really would like to meet a g/h supporter in person so I could have a genuine discussion as to what is so attractive about thus ship

Dumbledore's Widow

Aug 19 2007, 06:41 PM

QUOTE(Corpus_Agnelli @ Aug 15 2007, 09:12 PM) [snapback]434828[/snapback]

. [sarcasm] Am I the only one? Is it okay to feel like this? [/sarcasm]

You're not alone in feeling the way you do about H/G athar. It really is a shame that Rowling had to ruin everything for those of us who find the H/G ship appalling by doing what she did in books 6 and 7. And all because she wanted OBHWF in the end. tsk tsk tsk! It's just pitiful.

To be honest, if she had downplayed H/Hr - and let's face it, even in book 7 she is giving us H/Hr moments, which I find patronizing.

and if she had written Ginny in more (can't believe I'm actually saying this!) in the books, then maybe I would have seen the whole not so hot tamale train* of H/G coming. It would have been a slightly better tasting bitter pill to have swallowed! Know what I mean?

But as it stands, Ginny's character was underdeveloped, hastily put together almost as an afterthought in book 6 and retreated into the background, yet again, in book 7. What's there to like about her or the H/G ship?!

*Mary Murphy, a judge on the So You Think You Can Dance television show, uses the phrase hot tamale train when she really likes the dancing the contestant(s) performed.

topsyturvylove

Aug 19 2007, 09:46 PM

all i can say is BARF! Those two never should have ended up together! What was JKR thinkin! I mean, i guess if you wanted a nice tidy ending you might have put them together, but i would have preferred a sad ending than the bland one provided! i enjoyed the whole book, except for the H/G fling!!!

Corpus_Agnelli

Aug 19 2007, 10:51 PM

QUOTE(Dumbledore's Widow @ Aug 19 2007, 12:41 PM) [snapback]436417[/snapback]

To be honest, if she had downplayed H/Hr - and let's face it, even in book 7 she is giving us H/Hr moments, which I find patronizing.

I feel the same way.
If I had shipped H/G. then the lack of Harry-Ginny interaction wouldn't really faze me - I could fill in the blanks with my own imagination, the beauty of literature. But she kept giving us more H/Hr...for the purpose of showing they were like brother and sister? Or to curb our imagination, preventing us from filling in the blanks? I actually wished she gave us more H/G nuances that the OotP movie showed (which I thought were very nicely done) through the last two books, but more the final book, for me to enjoy accepting H/G. I'd still be unconvinced, but accepting nonetheless. I think it really could've been done. Or maybe it just can't.
Can a H/Hr shipper write convincing H/G fanfiction (and vice versa?) I'd challenge either party to do so, except I know how painful such a thing would be, so the challenge will not be issued

vm85

Aug 21 2007, 04:06 PM

Just wanted to say that this relationship is one of the most boring, shallowest, random couple of the series. I really really don't like this couple at all. there is absolutely nothing natural or meaningful in this couple. there is no sparks, connection ,they are a just like a vacuum. I really had to roll my eyes

every time I had to read about them.

Fortunately there is little H/G in book 7 so it was easier for me to ignore them although Harry got on my nerves with his pining of Ginny and surprisingly, I became a fan of ron in book 7 cause he matured a lot and he really seems to love hermione and want to protect her. JMHO.

Dumbledore's Widow

Aug 21 2007, 07:45 PM

QUOTE(vm85 @ Aug 21 2007, 10:06 AM) [snapback]437648[/snapback]

Harry's constant, lovesick pining for Ginny ticked me off too, but I got pretty good at glossing over it without losing sight of what was happening on the page. I think we could have done without all of this melodrama!

Instead of a fan of Ron's, I became a bigger fan of Neville! What little we saw of him in book 7 left me wanting to see a lot more of him! Rowling hasn't said anything about Neville other than he was the herbology professor at Hogwarts. I hope that he's happily married with a few kids! He deserves it. Not everything is about the Weasley-Potters!!!

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