DumbledoreKilla
Jul 23 2007, 08:55 PM
Has anyone found out where this is? i havent recognized it from anyone where in the book. specially since harry nad voldemort dont have wands. Any Ideas?
GarrettR
Jul 23 2007, 09:02 PM
I'm pretty sure it's during "The Flaw in the Plan" when Harry disarms Voldemort while Voldy tries to kill Harry. It says that Voldemorts wand flew into the air and Harry being the good seeker that he was, reached out to catch it. I didn't think that Harry had dropped Malfoy's wand, though.
fjkrs
Jul 23 2007, 09:13 PM
The Flaw in the Plan may be it but the picture is still wrong. Harry is wearing the R.A.B. locket around his neck isn't he? Also I don't think they were in a arena during that battle....
But it seems the most fitting.
fallingskye
Jul 23 2007, 10:19 PM
It has to be right after Harry and Voldemort yell out Avada Kevadra and Expelliarmus in The Flaw in the Plan. If you look at Voldemort it looks like he is falling down. I would assume it is right before Harry catches the Elder Wand. It is true though that he still had the other wand in his hand so that would be an error on the cover.
They are fighting in the Great Hall and it does describe the wand flying
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dark against the sunrise, spinning across the enchanted ceiling
What is around Harry's neck has to be the pouch that Hagrid gave him for his birthday which he kept around his neck throughout the book. If you look closely you can kind of tell it has a drawstring type part towards the top of it.
Mrs Figgy
Jul 25 2007, 02:26 PM
I think all are right that the US cover is at the point where Harry recovers V's wand. However, I am guessing that the artist and editors decided to make the background more majestic and generalized instead of portraying the real background, which would have given away where they ended up at the end of the book (the school). I love the cover art; it portrays the emotions of the two characters and does show others looking even if not exactly in the same setting as the text.
hermione's sister
Jul 25 2007, 02:29 PM
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It has to be right after Harry and Voldemort yell out Avada Kevadra and Expelliarmus in The Flaw in the Plan. If you look at Voldemort it looks like he is falling down. I would assume it is right before Harry catches the Elder Wand. It is true though that he still had the other wand in his hand so that would be an error on the cover.
Not seen the cover, so not sure how qualified I am to say this - but surely Harry, being the good Seeker that he is, can catch the wand, one handed? He has good reflexes ... surely it wouldn't be a problem for him?
xx
Layla
Jul 25 2007, 02:42 PM
Haha, they actually mentioned his seeker abilities when he caught the wand. So, yes, he did.
As for the cover. After I finished the book, it took me a couple minutes to figure out where they were.
I agree with everyone about it being during The Flaw in the Plan. The sky ties in because they're in the Great Hall...and there's an enchanted ceiling. Voldemort and Harry are both reaching for the Elder Wand. I think it works out alright...
Felix2090
Jul 25 2007, 02:46 PM
It makes since that it would be in "The Flaw in the Plan," however, why can you see the sky in it. Plus, didn't Harry say this battle was going on at about 2 in the morning. Think about it. First Voldemort said that they had until MIDNIGHT to bring him out. Then, when Harry was going out to the spot where Voldemort tried to kill him in the Forest he said it was between 1 and 2 in the morning. Plus, on the cover, you can see the S on the locket.
Dean_Thomas
Jul 25 2007, 03:01 PM
I think that Felix2090 has a good point. But I think that a few of the cover book artists out there (I don't really know for sure in Mary's case) are given that part before there are some seriose changes in editing. This dosn't happen alot but I have heard of it happening before. This might make it a little different than what the accuall text says.
Another thing. I can't see the "s" on the locket... I dunno maybe I have bad eye sight. ;D
nitwit oddment blubber tweak
Jul 25 2007, 03:03 PM
QUOTE(fallingskye @ Jul 23 2007, 11:19 PM) [snapback]417147[/snapback]
What is around Harry's neck has to be the pouch that Hagrid gave him for his birthday which he kept around his neck throughout the book. If you look closely you can kind of tell it has a drawstring type part towards the top of it.
I agree that it could infact be the pouch around his neck and not the locket. Ok I own the British cover version but I saw the US cover and it definately looks like a grey pouch rather than the gold locket..well to my eyes anyway but they are pretty tired from reading

And the final battle between Harry and Voldy took place at sunrise because he was only entering the forest at "nearly four in the morning". I think that the sky is that colour simply because of the enchanted ceiling of the great hall at sunrise.
Albus Dumbledore
Jul 25 2007, 03:10 PM
I am prepared to say that this is the final duel in the Great Hall. They are wandless, Voldemort seems to be falling backwards and the thing around Harry's neck is not a locket, but rather the pouch. I was just looking an enlarged version of it on my computer, and it is not the Locket, as I said, and there is no 'S' either.
The Infamous Fish
Jul 25 2007, 04:11 PM
I've reread that section four times now, so I've picked up on a few things that I missed the first time.
Well, first, the thing around harry's neck must be a pouch. People were saying it was a pouch before the book ever came out. I thought it might have ended up being the locket, but even I had to admit to myself, if not to anyone else, that it did look more like a pouch than a locket.
As for the sky, well in the book it says that the sun rose just before voldemort attacked, sending sunlight on them both. I missed it the first time myself, but I have since discovered it as I reread.
There are two problems with it, though. First, the shape of the place is wrong, to me. I guess jo never actually said the hall was square, but the place on the US cover certainly looks rounded. Not how I picture the great hall.
Second, there are rocks in the foreground. There's also wood, but that might be remains of the tables. Are the rocks perhaps stones from walls and ceiling?
Albus Dumbledore
Jul 25 2007, 04:28 PM
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Well, first, the thing around harry's neck must be a pouch. People were saying it was a pouch before the book ever came out. I thought it might have ended up being the locket, but even I had to admit to myself, if not to anyone else, that it did look more like a pouch than a locket.
I'm willing to one up that statement and say "It is a pouch and NOT a locket." The evidence is overwhelming that it is indeed a pouch and I don't see the need in pretending that it still
could be a Locket. It's the pouch Hagrid gave him.
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As for the sky, well in the book it says that the sun rose just before voldemort attacked, sending sunlight on them both. I missed it the first time myself, but I have since discovered it as I reread.
Hmmm this was interesting... you'd think JKR wrote this book keeping in mind there would be a movie made... it's all very dramatic. And yet, I am not certain how there could be sunlight at all at that time... Harry met Voldemort in the woods a little after Midnight.. he was killed very quickly, and unless his talk with Dumbledore took hours I don't see how dawn came so quick. We must remember that when Harry woke up, so did Voldemort.. it was as if they were unconcious for a moment. Anyway, its possible that the battle in Hogwarts lasted hours while only seeming to last a few minutes... battles work that way often.
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There are two problems with it, though. First, the shape of the place is wrong, to me. I guess jo never actually said the hall was square, but the place on the US cover certainly looks rounded. Not how I picture the great hall.
Artistic rendition of how the Battle scene was skewed to Harry in such a desperate situation? Altered shape so we didn't know it was the Great Hall? Perhaps the room looks rounded because of the giant shield charm that Harry cast was around them.. could that cause a refraction of some sort involving the room.. like looking into a fish bowl or at a glass sphere? I go with the theory that the shield charm skewed the image of the Great Hall.
SlytherinHeadGirl05
Jul 25 2007, 05:22 PM
When i came to the part where Harry and Voldemort were facing one another in the Great Hall. I instantly stopped reading and looked at the cover. After the scene is described to us (the sunlight and all, the both of them staring at one another) i nodded my head and went "So that's what the cover is showing us" Reading further i answered my own question about their raised hands. Voldy does look like he's falling back and both are trying to catch something.
Yes harry's wand (formerly draco's) isn't in his hand, but like Dean_Thomas said, the artwork is SOMETIMES made before editing of the text is done so it could just be a mistake. When the artwork was FIRST, very FIRST released i thought i saw an 'S' on the thing around Harry's neck too. When it got closer to the book being released i noticed there was no 'S' on the thing around his neck. I knew (it was confirmed) for me when i read Harry's b-day. What he got. I knew that's what it was. We know it's not the locket cuz Ron destroyed it! And on my cover and on my poster that I got with the book at the midnight party, Harry doesn't have a scar anymore. I know maybe his hair is in the way but i'm staring right at it now. He doesn't have the lightning shaped scar now, which is usually visable on each of the covers if you think about it.
The wood and rocks could be from all the fighting. Hexes, curses and jinxes were thrown all over the place in the Great Hall, especially between the two group fights, so yeah i think it's just rubble. The "circular" view of the room, of the Great Hall in the poster and cover, i still don't have a clue to understand that. I always pictured the great hall with a square/rectangular ceiling not a dome. So I'm going to agree with Albus Dumbledore and say maybe it's caused by the Shield Charm harry casted. When i read that part I imagine that the charm field almost the entire center of the Hall, with everyone else around them. Although I don't think anyone besides DEs would want (though sometimes they don't like being near him) to be near Voldy.
fallingskye
Jul 25 2007, 05:31 PM
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It has to be right after Harry and Voldemort yell out Avada Kevadra and Expelliarmus in The Flaw in the Plan. If you look at Voldemort it looks like he is falling down. I would assume it is right before Harry catches the Elder Wand. It is true though that he still had the other wand in his hand so that would be an error on the cover.
Not seen the cover, so not sure how qualified I am to say this - but surely Harry, being the good Seeker that he is, can catch the wand, one handed? He has good reflexes ... surely it wouldn't be a problem for him?
xx
The error would be that in the cover he doesn't have the other wand in his hand. Both hands are empty.
samsmom
Jul 25 2007, 11:05 PM
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I always pictured the great hall with a square/rectangular ceiling not a dome. So I'm going to agree with Albus Dumbledore and say maybe it's caused by the Shield Charm harry casted. When i read that part I imagine that the charm field almost the entire center of the Hall, with everyone else around them. Although I don't think anyone besides DEs would want (though sometimes they don't like being near him) to be near Voldy.
I think that the ceiling of the great hall was arched, but regardless, it is bewitched to look like the sky, so the picture works... I think it was never meant to be an accurate interpretation of the scene... that would give too much information, especially with all of us looking at it with magnifying lenses...Hee Hee! I think that it was just a sketchy rendering to keep us unawares.
Also, the veil seems to be there, and that's not even in the building. I have never seen a reference of drapery or curtained doorways in the great hall.
I definitely agree that the shapes in the background and foreground are rubble (and maybe a few people) and that it is when Harry is reaching to catch the Elder wand. I agree with Albus Dumbledore that there is no question that what's around his neck is the pouch that Hagrid gave him.
fallingskye
Jul 25 2007, 11:37 PM
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Also, the veil seems to be there, and that's not even in the building. I have never seen a reference of drapery or curtained doorways in the great hall.
For some reason after reading the inside flap of the book "we now bring you the 7th and final installment..." the curtains gave me the impression that it was like thecurtains were being opened on the last book.
SlytherinHeadGirl05
Jul 26 2007, 12:25 AM
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Also, the veil seems to be there, and that's not even in the building. I have never seen a reference of drapery or curtained doorways in the great hall.
For some reason after reading the inside flap of the book "we now bring you the 7th and final installment..." the curtains gave me the impression that it was like thecurtains were being opened on the last book.

Someone said this when the coverart of the US edition was first revealed. If you look at Harry Potter and the Sorcer's Stone (Philosopher's Stone) you will notice a veil there too. First book of Harry Potter it's all nice and brand new, nothing wrong with it. (The first curtain being drawn back of the first act of a wonderful "show") Now look at Deathly Hallows' veil. Same color if you think about it. Through seven years doesn't a veil(curtain) color fade? Just like you said the curtains being drawn on the final act of a "show"
anyone get it?
PurpleForge
Jul 26 2007, 02:35 AM
Oh--- Sorry, i get it slytherinheadgirl, I didn't understand why there were curtains but i guess that makes sense.
The only other thing about the US cover that was off was the whole, Harry wasn't holding Draco's wand which he was in the scene in the book. he expelliarmused the elder wand out of voldy's hand with draco's and raised his hand to get it.
Everything else fit except for that. It made everyone think that wandless magic was involved when it wasn't.
GreenGred
Jul 26 2007, 05:09 AM
Excellent point Purple Forge no wandless magic is right. I think on the whole the US cover is at least slightly misleading because no one can pinpoint its exact moment. But it is still lovely artwork.
SlytherinHeadGirl05
Jul 26 2007, 05:30 PM
Oh it's okay PurpleForge, remember this wasn't my speculation either, it was someone else's just thought i would share it with you since you were on the right track. I really do like the whole curtain opening and falling (beginning act and final act) i like it! Although i like the chapter pics better *grins* Especially "The Will of Albus Dumbledore" god i squealed when i saw that chap pic XDDD
mjane95
Jul 29 2007, 05:09 AM
I think America or the U.K or whatever have a different book cover to Austraila because our cover is from the chapter entitled, well I don't know what's it called, but on the cover it has the Trio and thy are in Gringotts and they are in Bella's vault.
*Priori Incantatem*
Jul 29 2007, 12:36 PM
well im used to the UK cover, but since i was in the US at the time it came out i got the american version and even after finishing the book i was still confused but i guess it makes sense now!
i like the whole curtain theory, i havnt seen any of the other american covers but it does make sense if the first cover had curtains too, i was wondering why hogwarts - which personally to me looks more like the colleseum in the cover - had curtains?!
and harry not having a wand is slightly confusing but hey its a nice cover anyway
i also like it because it gives less away, with the UK cover version, you know that theyr all still alive until it mentions the gringotss bit and you kind of know that, at least until that point, theyr all going to make it (i thought ron was never going to come back once he had left or one of them was going to die along the way but then i realised he had to because that bit hadnt happened yet) so in a way the american cover gives it more mystery as its only harry and voldemort - i have no clue whether that made sense or not?!
oh and i was just wondering why the american covers dont have blurbs on the back, i found that sort of odd?
fallingskye
Aug 1 2007, 04:51 PM
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i also like it because it gives less away, with the UK cover version, you know that theyr all still alive until it mentions the gringotss bit and you kind of know that, at least until that point, theyr all going to make it (i thought ron was never going to come back once he had left or one of them was going to die along the way but then i realised he had to because that bit hadnt happened yet) so in a way the american cover gives it more mystery as its only harry and voldemort - i have no clue whether that made sense or not?!
I was doing the same thing. The whole time I was reading the books if something bad was happening I would think well they can't die because they haven't ridden on a dragon yet, or been on a pile of gold.

Once I got past that part though I though uh oh, now anything can happen.
nstachowski
Aug 1 2007, 06:08 PM
Either way, that was an amazing poster that came with the book. The poster was an enlarged picture of the book cover/sleeve.
no.1fan
Aug 5 2007, 02:06 PM
In the UK version i am sure that it is in the gringotts volt where they have fallen on the treasure and it has multiplied. The thing holding the sword behind harry is Griphook screaming "Thieves, Thieves!!"
gryffendor_rockerchick1378
Aug 6 2007, 09:04 PM

my guess is that it's when the are in Bellatrix's vault and the treasure is multiplying and stuff. and by the way, take a look at the cover. we see Ron, Harry, Hermione, and (i think) a house elf (Kreacher? Dobby?) or Griphook behind Harry, holding the sword of Godric Gryffendor. But look in between Ron and Harry. See the leg with the black pants?
Who's leg is that? it can't be Ron's, his pants are brown, and Harry can't bend his legs in that awkward angle. So, i wonder...?
Filius Flitwick
Aug 6 2007, 09:24 PM
Take note that it is the cover on the American edition. Who knows, it may not be anything related (well it has to be something). I'm always contradicting myself. The two British version are completely different.
I do think that the two should remain the same and that book 1 should have also been the Philosopher's Stone in the United States.
~Filius~
Conjunctivitis
Aug 6 2007, 02:04 PM
For the US cover, I had to think for a while before I could decide on what it was, but I agree in that it is the Great Hall. I think Harry is indeed reaching up for the Elder wand, and the rubble in the front are the remains of the stone tables and whatnot. In addition, the people in the background are all of the observers.
The sky is golden, because right when Harry proclaimed the the Elder Wand was his, there was a golden glow that burst through the sky.
I do realize that the Great Hall is depicted very differently as the movies show it, but then again, if we simply saw it look like it did in the movies, it would be a major spoiler. It also gives it a sense of grandeur, which makes it a more impressive ending picture.
PotterPlotter
Sep 2 2007, 11:55 AM
I can't seem to decide where it most looks like as described by the other 6 books, but i has to be the great hall because thats the only place harry and voldemort fight besides the forest. I it was the forest, well...it just isn't
misterbeaver55
Sep 16 2007, 03:11 AM
I agree with falling sky.
I was wondering the same thing after I finished it and went back to read where I thought it was. It was when Voldemort used Avada Kedava and bounced back to himelf and the wand went into the air. Voldemort was falling backwards and Harry was going to catch the wand. It's a very quick moment in the book but very important
Conjunctivitis
Sep 16 2007, 12:53 PM
What I find interesting is that if you look closely at the title "Deathly Hallows" on the American cover, the "O" in "Hallows" is intersected by the "T" in "Deathly" and looks incredibly similar to the Resurrection Stone with the crack down the middle. Do you think that was intended?
danluver501
Jul 26 2008, 02:02 PM
Wow I never really paid attention the that with the T intersecting the O in the cover. That is an idea about the reserection stone. All it needs is the triangle for the deathly Hallows sign. But as for the seen I'm still baffled. Yet the pouch around Harry's neck has to be mole skin thing that Hagrid gave him. Because he placed the locked back in there after they destroyed it and it doesn't have the S on it. But has anyone noticed that on pg 392 that there is what seems to be an LRS on the top of the page? the R looks like a man and the S looks like a snake but the L ..I can't figure out. Any one else have this on thiers?
* This is all coming from the American Version*
The Dark Lord Sirius Black1
Jul 27 2008, 02:07 AM
Yea its on mine to thats kinda strange.
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