not to sure how Dd got the stone into the snitch..but guess thats magic for you lol

harry didnt die because he was the true master of the elder wand and it was unable to kill harry but was able to destroy the part of voldys soul that was inside him..if voldy had of used his own/any other wand he would have killed harry but everyone still would be protected because of harrys sacarfice

snapes portraitwasn't at the headmasters office, because he abandoned his post before dying, i think it makes sense, that neville got the sword out of the hat, even when it was with griphook, 'cause if it wouldn't, how did harry got it at CoS....it had to be somewhere before that.
harry's invisibility cloak wasn't usual, usual cloaks are just normal cloaks whit disillusion charm, but harry's was unique, for example, i think i read from somewhere, that it felt like knitted water of something, am i right..?

Oh, thanks.

I agree too about the sword, they say it always comes to the worthy Gryffindor. Well, why all the fuss? Neville got it in the hat because he's a worthy Gryffindor, just like Harry did in his second year.

I think it's true about the portrait thing too, Snape quit his job before dying, and so a portrait is in the office when the Headmaster dies, but when Snape died he wasn't the Headmaster.

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I believe Bill conjured the fidelus charm after Harry and the others arrived. Hermione had to Apparate on the top stop in so she wouldn't be seen by the death eaters guarding Grim place, Fred and George would apparate within the house.In the Burrow I believe Arthur would travel by floo powder to and from his house.

JKR meant to elongate the last chapter, but I think she decided it would be too much detail and the last chapter would seem much less like a novel. Accio Quote has a lot of articles on JKR's interviews were she tightens loose ends, I suggest you go and check it out.

Anyways I do have a contradiction to point out after all. Ron always reacted when anyone would mention Vold-thingie's name( at this point I was a bit confused and thought I missed reading something that mentioned Ron had gotten over the fear of the name), yet when Ron jokes about the the fact that Hermione is packing a lot of books in the chapter "The Ghoul in Pajamas" he says Vold-thigie's name, and later on in the book (before Ron runs away and finds out that saying Vold-thingie's name is taboo) he again starts reacting to Vold-thingie's name. I have more, but I can't elaborate at the moment.

**SPOILER WARNING** (Though you shouldn’t be warned since the forum is about DH which is bound to be about said book.)

Dumbledore told Harry that he could speak Parseltongue because Voldemort transferred his power to him and he said Voldemort was the last living descendent back in CoS. Now, the Deathly Hallows is a legend and the things that happened to the brothers in the story is probably not accurate with what really happened to the Peverell brothers. Legend says Cadmus died, but he didn’t hence Voldemort. Harry is a descendent of Ignotus Peverell (invisibility cloak) and Voldemort is a descendent of Salazar Slytherin who is a descendent of Cadmus Peverell (the ring), Antioch (the wand) probably did die for owning the coveted wand. So Harry and Voldemort are related to the Peverrels, but Cadmus probably had the gift of parseltongue but his brothers didn’t, or somewhere along the way the genetic trait was gained.




Making out the sounds of Parseltongue does not mean you understand parseltongue. I don't think people would be able to copy parseltongue if it's rare. Ron copied the way Harry said open in Parseltongue because he knew Harry was saying "Open up." in parseltongue in CoS. Ron suggested Harry say something in parseltongue, the first time Harry makes a mistake saying,"Open up." in English, the second time he says it in parseltongue, and Ron knew what he said. In the DH Ron asks Harry how he will open the locket, Harry replies by saying he will ask it to open using parseltongue. "One...two...three...open.", are the exact words he says (note that "open" is italicized as all words, and phrases spoken in parseltongue are in the book). So Ron did know how the word "open" in parseltonguesound, and he was able to use it. If you're still skeptical about what happened in the chamber on book 7, think about how Ron and Hermione got out of the chamber, the chamber is deep in the castle

i believed that The Peverells may not be related to Slytherin at all, beause it may be possible that the Peverells might be on the female line of the Gaunt and Slytherin is on the male line, and they probably connect somewhere down the family tree.

Ron and Hermione can get out probably because they brought brooms, or Hermione knew some spelled to conjure rope and so on.

Yea they had brooms.. Actually remember that from the book.. Dont' have with me, but it said that thye both had brooms

Yea i think so, because they said soemthing about picking up a broom out of the room of requirement.

Yeah that is true (there's a gaunt family tree in wikipedia.org) , I was merely making an assumption.

the secrect keeper thing has been bothering me for sooooooo long. like jkr was always so specific with mentioning how you can never ever revele the location unless you're the secret keeper and this time nothing! urgh...i mean i guess harry could just apparte within the area and then bill coud've told him, but then how could he have seen the cottage...urgh.


another thing, not really a mistake but close enough...harry was always so extremly protective of his broom, and then he looses it an nothing...i know i know he was being chased and had other things on his mind but afterwards?...urgh

In answer to Ron being able to tell them to go to Shell Cottage- my guess is that the Fidelius Charm hadn't been used yet, Bill said he moved them all out of the Burrow because the DEs now knew Ron was with Harry, so Bill wouldn't have cast the charm until Dobby brought them to Shell Cottage and they told Bill and Fleur what had happened.

As for Ron and Hermione getting out of the Chamber of Secrets, didn't they have brooms with them as well as the basilisk fangs when they rejoined Harry? They must have flown out.

I can't remember it perfectly but when inside the RoR looking for the diadem, when Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle find Harry, Crabbe says that he can do a "Diss-lussion charm" and he asked Harry what a "die-dum" was, but did Harry actually mention the diadem when he was just outside the Room?

you know what rather strikes me wasnt mentioned yet I think...if it was and if someone replied I am awfully sorry for being dumb

so here it goes

in the chapter"kreachers tale" harry finds this letter his mum has sent to sirius where she says that they were celebrating harrys first bday and that bathilda was coming over to there place everynow and then
and how does this actually work?
they were protected by the fidelius charm and the secret keeper was peter pettigrew
so unless he didnt tell her personally she wouldnt be able to visit the potters...
but if he really told her she always knew that sirius was NOt their secret keeper and therefore never betrayed them and that he was accused wrongly...and why didnt she ever say that? in the third book they say that NOONE not even dumbledore knew who the secret kepper really was...so bathilda did? and shut up? or did I miss something?

With the Ron and the Chamber thing, I think that Harry couldn't do everything. ron and Hermione needed some time in the sun too! Plus its like learning a new language, you can learn to say a new word pretty quickly if you say it a few times. So the Ron part didn't bug me. I agree with fairodd406 on the whole thing.

I was thinking the exact same thing Gwenog! It said in PoA that nobody except for James, Lily, Sirius, And Pettigrew knew...but Bathilda was able to come? It got me really confused because if Pettigrew DID tell her than she knew all along that Sirius was innocent and could have mentioned it to somebody! I'm glad you brought it up because I'm just as confused as you on that one!

Yes, i've allways thought so, but... qho does not mistakes?

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This may seem far-fetched ( )but I'm only trying to come up with Solutions: maybe the fidelius charm also protected Bathilda's house. Dumbledore probably knew Bathilda was an asset to voldemort so he decided to protect her too. Bathilda and the Potters lived very close so that’s possible.

WOW! I’ve just realized I Joined on September 1st . it’s a total coincidence!

that would mean that bathilda must have been in the house when they were killed and believe me voldmort would have seen her too and killed her if she was there
and lily says very clearly that she just visited them for tea on harrys bday

There were plenty of mistakes in HPDH. A fellow shipper came up with the following list, some of which she is addressing the author. In some cases, the author contradicts herself (a major boo boo!). WARNING: a very long list ahead!

1- Hermione modified her parent’s memories, meaning she used memory charm. Just like Lockhart used on those witches and wizards during his journeys. So, a hundred pages later she says she never did that charm. How is that possible? If we are talking about two different charms, how long would it take to explain the difference and specify them to prevent confusion?

2- In your website, you told us Hermione’s middle name was Jane. Now in DH you changed it to Jean, which we later learned in an interview you did because you didn’t want her share the same name with Umbridge. First of all, was the change really necessary? Second, why not change Umbridge’s instead of Hermione’s? That wouldn’t affect us fans as much.

3- In Godric’s Hollow, when Bathilda tells Harry to follow her upstairs, wouldn’t Hermione hear the hissing since that is Nagini speaking Parseltongue? If she did, based on her reaction ("Hermione jumped and clutched Harry's arm."), why didn't she say something? She could be able to discern Parseltongue after hearing Harry speak it through the years.

4- Just how does Fidelius Charm work? Dumbledore put that charm on Potter’s house back then, with Wormtail as the Secret keeper. Now, on Grimmauld Place, as Dumbledore dies, the secret is out, yet Ron and Hermione say everyone in the Order automatically became Secret keepers. When the Secret keeper dies, the secret dies with him and thus it is no more secret, that was how the Potter’s cottage in Godric’s Hollow turned into a memorial with a plate on it. So, the first question is, does the secret passes onto other people when the first Secret keeper dies, or does the secret die altogether? Second question is, can a person put Fidelius on their own houses, like Bill did on Shell Cottage? So, Potter’s could have put that charm themselves, Dumbledore doing it was not necessary, or didn’t make any difference? Didn’t have any importance?

5- Grindelwald stole the Elder Wand from Gregorovitch. From what you told about wandlore, he didn’t deserve to be the master of that wand in the first place. Second, does taking the wand from the former master’s hand count as overpowering? That seems to be the way for Draco, and Voldemort. Also, with all the duels throughout the books, in DA for instance, the wands fly around, with their masters changing all the time, is that true? Also, if Dumbledore had the Elder wand all that time, why couldn’t he defeat Voldemort in their duel at MoM?

6- Mr. Weasley said in PoA “and I don't care what Fudge keeps telling the Daily Prophet, we're no nearer catching Black than inventing self-spelling wands.”, meaning the self-spelling wands don’t exist. How come Harry’s wand does a magic outside Harry’s knowledge against Voldemort?

7- We were under the impression that Parseltongue was a very unique ability, with only a few wizards along the history having that gift. How is it possible for anyone to get speaking anything legitimate in Parseltongue with trying different hisses? It’s often Harry needs to concentrate to speak it. If it was that easy, wouldn’t anyone discover and used that before? Like Dumbledore for example? Wouldn’t Parseltongue also become another common feature of wizards then?

8- Also, why didn’t Dumbledore remove Basilisk’s body from CoS, if the room was so easily accessable? And just how many fangs does a Basilisk have as to fill Hermione’s arms? And also, how come they still have the poison intact after five years of rotting down there?

9- Harry's thrilling escape from Privet Drive via broomstick was said to be necessary because the MoM had forbid the use of apparition and portkeys from Number 4. A few chapters later, Kreacher captures Mundugus Fletcher and transports him unwillingly through the wards of 12 Grimmauld Place. So why couldn't Dobby transport Harry from Privet Drive to The Burrow using house-elf apparition?

10- How come Voldemort thinks he’s the only one who knows of the Room of Requirement, yet devises a plan to gain access inside Hogwarts via it? Wouldn’t he know how Draco was working on that plan and using the Room frequently? Shouldn’t he realized that the Room wasn’t a secret anymore and tried to remove the Horcrux to a safer place?

11- Did Lily’s sacrifice to protect her son, thus evoking an ancient magic got repeated by Harry? There is a difference though. Lily chose to die when she didn’t have to, but Harry chose to die right then instead of later, right? Also, if Harry sacrified himself for everyone, does this include everyone at Hogwarts, everyone on the good side in wizarding world and also the-would-be-victim Muggles? Is everyone now exempt from AK? If that protection worked that way, why didn’t Lily or Dumbledore, or anyone really, sacrified themselves for everyone before, thus enacting the protection?

12- What is the "power he knows not"? Love for others, or the Elder Wand?

13- Throughout the books you emphasized that fear of a name increased fear of the thing itself. Making Dumbledore encourage Harry used the name, then Hermione using his name and thus comforting Harry. In DH, however, Ron says something about "showing respect" and not using the name. The two don't add up.

14- How did Ron and Hermione destroy the cup-Horcrux without revealing the Horcrux first? The diary, the locket and the ring had to opened, Voldemort's soul had to be forced out in the open to destroy it. We didn't get to see this happening with the cup or with the diadem. Wouldn't drinking from the cup and wearing the diadem be necessary?

15- Doesn’t that closed room in DoM has any significance?

16- How come Mad-eye could see it with his crazy twisting eye? Thought it was suppose to be so perfect that not even death could see it. She did explain Dumbledore because he used that detecting human spell to find Harry in front of the mirror. Although it still does not explain how he managed to look right at Harry/Ron when they were hiding under the clock while they were at Hagrids in CoS. Also, the Aurors have been mentioned using Invisibility Cloaks, so if Harry's was the ultimate cloak, how could Mad Eye and Dumbledore see through?

17- Nagini bit Harry. In OotP when Nagini bit Mr. Weasley, he was at St. Mungo's for weeks and they could NOT stop the bleeding. Now she bit Harry and Hermione applies dittany, and it is all ok?

18- Another note on the Fidelius charm. In OotP, the secret keeper needed to tell people where it was. Dumbledore wrote the address on a piece of paper for Harry to find. In DH, Yaxley held onto Hermione while she apparated to the front door and now he is inside? Hermione is a Secret Keeper but she surely did not tell him anything. The charm should have bounced him away. Even if he got past the boundaries of Fidelius Charm, Yaxley couldn't be able bring anyone into Grimmauld Place since he is not a secret Keeper. He can't tell anyone where it is and how to get there, etc... Also, Yaxley was the one who attached himself to the apparating trio, thus presumably the weakest link, however Ron splinched himself, not Yaxley? Wouldn’t Yaxley be the one in danger splinching? Or is this a matter of who’s holding on better and who is not? But Hermione is not a Portkey, so there should be another explanation.

19- Lily's patronus was something else before she fell in love with James. This is similar to what happened to Tonk's patronus after she fell in love with Remus. Now, how come Snape's patronus is not Lily's original patronus? Why would his patronus mutate into the very thing that symbolizes his greatest regret in his life, because the doe represents Lily's love for James Potter, not him? Patronuses are a reflection of happy thoughts, this contradicts Snape's hatred for James.

20- If a Basilisk's venom/fang can "kill" a Horcrux by piercing the Horcrux, why wasn't the Horcrux in Harry killed when the Basilisk's fang pierced him in CoS? Even though Fawkes showed up quickly with his healing tears, the other Horcruxes pierced by the fangs appeared to die immediately.

21- The diary, the ring and the locket needed to be "opened" for the Horcrux to be destroyed. Yet we learn in DH Ron and Hermione just stab the cup, and the diadem gets burned in magical fire. Apart from the fact that these two Horcruxes destruction happened off-page compared to the detailed handling of the previous ones, shouldn't they needed to bring Voldemort's soul out by, say, drinking from that cup and putting the diadem on?

22- Mad-Eye already knows that the Thicknesse is under the Imperious Curse. Why do they care that the Ministry will find out? Harry was doing plenty of magic while flying away with Hagrid on Sirius' motorcycle and that did not seem to hinder his escape. Mad-Eye or someone could have just side-apparated with Harry so that they were just outside of the protective boundaries of one of the houses.

23- From the beginning of the series, Ron had everything Harry wanted but didn't have. It was usually mentioned that having a family who loved you well surpassed having heaps of gold. I thought that was what distinguished Ron from the other two, and expected this fact to emphasized, yet we still see Ron-the-insecure. Should he have moved past this jealousy way before? He already had everything Harry never had. Wouldn't coming to this realization be a surer way for Ron to mature?

24- In OotP, Kreacher left Grimmauld Place on an errand for Bellatrix, which resulted in Sirius’ death. Wouldn’t Voldemort know of Kreacher part in this plan and thus surmise that the elf he sent to death in the lake is alive, and therefore his locket-Horcrux was compromised? Or he did, and that is why he killed Regulus Black?

25- How could Hermione Accio-ed a book she never saw, read, or heard of, from Dumbledore’s office no less? Although the specifics were never given in the books, from the previous workings we understand that for Accio to work, you, a- need to see the object –as in GoF while Harry and Hermione practicing the charm in classrooms-, b-you need to have seen it and utter the precise name of the object –as in Harry summoning his Firebolt-, or c-you don’t need to have seen it, but need to know the precise name of the object –as in them trying to summon the Horcruxes in DH –which though don’t work either because option c is wrong, or because the Horcruxes are protected against Summoning Charm. Back to the Horcrux book; Hermione has never seen it, never heard of it, doesn’t know the exact title, yet she summons. Also, how come an object be summon-able from Dumbledore’s office, when you need a password to get inside? I’m also guessing since Dumbledore removed this book (and maybe a few more) from the Restricted Section of the Library, he was likely to put extra safety measure on them, thus preventing access further. (Because McGonagall, for example, doesn’t know Horcruxes) So, how come Hermione is able to summon the book? It contradicts the workings of Accio.

26- Last time we left Harry, he was unable to cast nonverbal spells. When did he, or the three of them learn casting nonverbals?

27- If there is only one portrait of Dumbledore, then for him to tell Snape the plans to remove Harry from Privet Drive, Snape must have visited Hogwarts somewhere around the June (it takes a month to brew Polyjuice Potion). Did the staff at Hogwarts let him, or did he sneak in, for he was a wanted criminal by then? Or was the Ministry taken over right after Dumbledore’s funeral, thus lifting the accusations on Snape?

28- Also we saw Polyjuice Potion used frequently. How does one calculate the span of the effects? One gulp equates an hour? A larger amount means longer effects or does one have to drink it, say, every 60 minutes?

alright i'm going to try to answer your really long list...

1-there might be different forms of the memory charm, we don't know but if there are then she first did the hard version of one to change a persons whole life....so on that issue, i agree.
2-I'm guessing she didn't change umdriges name because i don't think we actually ever heard hermione's middle name in the books, just in websites, but umbriges full name was on all of those decrees.
3-i'm thinking that hermion thought she heard wrong because it was cold and windy they had hats and scarves on and the woman was very old, so i think she just assumed she misheard.
4-fidelus charm--don't even get me started on that there are so many mistakes when it comes to that i don't even know where to start.
5- the wand doesn't have to be passed in a duel, grindelwad stole it and stunned the owner so it considers him the master. As for other wands, if it is won in a duel i think that it'll work for both the original owner and the winner.
6- That's why harry made such a big deal about it, because the wand acted on it's own accord. wands aren't supposed to do that. but then again, harry's a very special boy with a very special wand
7- I think dumbledore knows all the magical langueges because he's just cool like that. ron, not so much, he just mimicked harry, he didn't actually understand what he was saying nor do i think he would understand a snake. even if you dod learn parseltongue out of a book you still wouldn't be a ble to actually converse with a snake.
8-The chamber of secrets isn't easily accesible, you have to hiss at a sertain sink with myrtle moaning in your ear. and i guess that a giant snake would be rather difficult to move through a school.
9- i guess the order members never thought of that, or didn't have a house elf at hand. And on the subject of harry's escape, the only reason they flew was because they couldn't apperate of use a portkey, but later, they use a portkey anyway to get to the burrow...?
10- i don't think voldy cared how exactly draco got the deather eaters in as long as he did what he was supposed to do.
11- i think his sacrifice only protects the people fighting right now(because he died thinking of them, wanting them to be safe) and only from being killed by voldemort's AK curse, becuase harrry wasn't safe from death in anyway, just death by voldy.
12- i'm pretty sure their talking about love
13- ron comes from a typical wizard family, he gre up hearing the name so it's a hard habit for him to break, and he was drugged up at the time
14- there is no way to open a cup or diadem. and just by doing what the object is for doesn't reveal the horcrux, umbridge was wearing the locket (which is typically what you would do with it) and voldy weird soul wasn't trapsing around the place. And he didn't open the ring he just cracked it with thesword.
15-somewhere i heard that the seven room represent the seven things, life, death, time, ect. The closed one is supposed to be the room of love <3
16-the cloak...i don't know it's a rather difficult issue, i can't explain it...but on the topic of mad eye's eye, who do you think made it?
17- i think it matters where they were bitten, mr. weasley was bitten in an area containing many vital organs, snape was bitten in the neck, harry was just bit in the arm, nagini was supposed to keep him there, i don't think voldy would be very happy with a dead harry(unless he was the one who killed him)
18-fidaleus charm is rather screwed up
19- how do you know that lily's patronus changed when she fell for james?
20- because i don't think harry can be considered the aveage horcrux, they are made with a complicated spell and whatnot harry was just the holder of a broken soul so his case was "special"
21-ummm, this is the same as number fourteen
22-if he apparated then the ministry would know his exact location, and we don't want that now do we?
23-since ron grew up with a loving family he never really fully appreciated them and wished he was more like harry, you know the story you always want what someone else has but then it turns out to be nothing compared to what you had before? and ron always felt like he was loved the least out of all his siblings because nothing he would do would caoompare to what his brothers did before him.
24-again, i don't think voldy actually cared if a family house elf visited bellatrix and gave her the info. he only cared about getting the actual info.
25- hermione is rather skilled and can accio anything she wants to.
26-where in thebook does any of them, exccept hermione, perform nonverbal spells?
27-i think that when voldy came out into the open and took over, snape, his right hand man, didn't have to worry about getting arrested or what not, he could do just about whatever his little heart desired.
28- i know! that made me so angry, so i started a thread about polyjuice potion here:
http://www.veritaserum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19048


hope that help!

alright.. okay..I think i found another one while I was reading DH to my daughter the other day.. The whole Taboo thing.. Okay so obviously it was put in to use right away, as the death eaters were able to find the trio at Tottenham Court Road. Well, if using it breaks all the enchantments, how is it that they (they being the deatheaters) were not able to enter Grimmuald place? I mean it obviously worked a bit if they were able to hang out in the courtyard of Grimmuald place.. But why couldn't they enter it? I thought using the taboo removed all enchantments and protection spells? Can someone explain?

About Snape`s Patronus... We know that Dark Wizards don`t use that spell and that the spell isn`t taught in school. So that means that Snape learnd to do the Patronus after Lily was killed.

I agree with that, if they are different surely the one Hermione did do is a lot harder



I don't really understand the Charm, but I think the Secret dies when the subject of the Charm dies (ie the Potter's). The Order was still around so the protection on Grimmauld Place was still in tact, when Dumbledore died those who he had told became secret keeper's, but the Secret didn't die.

i think that the fidaleus charm is really really powerfull so the taboo doesn't work against it. and another thing with the taboo...in the end at the battle of hogwarts harry said voldemort and luna was all oh we can say it now? and harry was like it doesn't matter he already knows where we are...but, doesn't saying th name gat rid of all the protective charms and spells, so wouldn't he be undoing all the hard work that the teachers have done to protecte the castle?

Did anyone pick up on the letter Lily wrote to Sirius? I can't be bothered reading through all the posts... Anyway she was writing in thanks for Harry's birthday present, and mentions that 'Dumbledore's still got his Invisibility Cloak'. But in the King's Cross chapter, Dumbledore says 'James had showed it [the Cloak] to me just a few days previously [to when James and Lily were murdered]'. Now Harry was born in July (I can't remember the exact date), but his parents were killed on 31st October. It seems like Dumbledore had the Cloak for longer than a 'few days'. Lily might have been exceptionally late in writing Sirius his letter, but I don't think so. Anyway it's nothing big.

In reply to MISIA, when Harry said 'Voldemort', the preparation for battle hadn't begun. The usual enchantments (anti-apparition, making Hogwarts unplottable etc) may have been breached when the taboo was broken, but they were soon reinstated when the castle was being fortified, as McGonagall knew that the taboo had been broken. Or maybe Voldemort had lifted it himself as he knew where Harry was, but that seems unlikely.

just because harry was playing with his birthday present from siruis doesn't mean that his birthday had to be recently...or dumbledore coul have tooken the cloak i july and have not given it back yet in october.

I think there is a huge difference between the magic all the teachers can do and the magic that just one 17 year old freshly adult witch or wizard like the trio can do...
its of course more powerful plus all the spells hogwarts has round it anyway...so I think it was quite easy for Fenrir Greyback etc to drag the trio to Malfoys place after they have located them and broke through their enchantment spells but its another thing to break into hogwarts which is protected by many more witches and wizards who are even mightie

oh and to the Hermione thing
first of all she modified her parents memories which is a completely different spell as to delete completely all the memoried things of a person which was what she did in Tottenham Court Road
therefore thats not a mistake...

yeah but eouldn't the first one be harder? so why would she be worried to do a simple one to erase like 5 minutes if she can perform one that can erase a whole lifetime and imput a new one..i don't think its a mistake n the book, it's just badly worded

that's a very good point. I also think that there are some things in the book which are explained very badly so this is definitely one of them...
of course logicial mind would say that eradicating one's memory is easier than modfying...but maybe its the a very difficult charm so that not everyone can just walk around and delete other's memories...

I can't figure out why the trio didn't disapparate when the Snatchers came to their tent. Hermione had a wand, she had time enough to jinx Harry, so why not just disapparate?

i think you might need a wand to dissaparate, like not say an incantation or whatnot but just like have one with you. I don't really remember where i heard that, but like also in the MoM chapter harry was all worried that the ones without wands wouldn't be able to dissaperate with the ones with wands. but really, i don't know

Anyone notice how the trio arrive at Xeno's house and Hermy tells Harry to take the cloak off because he is the one Xeno needs to see, so he takes it off and gives it to Hermy to put in the beaded bag. Then when the Death Eaters come and Hermione wants to cover up Ron but let Harry be seen, she asks Harry to give her the cloak, which obviously she already had in the bag.

Also, is mead considered a type of wine?

I think mead is considered a type of wine, but I'm not really an expert. I'm going with that anyway.

I'm just trying to remember (I don't have my book with me), but didn't they take the cloak out of the bag when Xeno left the room, to debate the Deathly Hallows? I could be wrong...

I just checked the mistake with the invisibilty cloak (when they were at Xeno's place)
and its indeed like that! harry hands it at the beginning over to hermione who says when the death eaters approach "Harry do you trust me?" and well she asks him to hand over the cloak so that they can see harry and wont kill Xeno...odd..really...
I thought maybe in panick that hermione may have just forgot to pick up the bag and harry did that for her..and he was carrying it and therefore she asked him to hand it over but Rowling should have written that then...duh...mistakes!!!!
to the point with disapparition when they were caught due to the taboo..well she may have panicked and therefore didnt know what to do...and furthermore what about the tent? they didnt have or use it afterwards had they? so maybe she didnt want to loose the tent and its possessions...hummm...

Hrm... I knew I was right about the bag... it specifically says Harry handed it to Hermione, and at no time does the beaded bag or the cloak itself transfer hands until Hermione asks Harry to give her the cloak to put over Ron.

And someone else confirmed that mead is technically a form of wine made from honey. (theres a part where Harry is drunk off mead and the book says something like "maybe it was the wine")

@ Disapparation in the forest, there are a number of theories I could live with, (snatchers cast charm against disapparation, taboo puts anti-disapparition curse around those that said the name, those without wands can not go along for the ride etc) but I think that panic is the best answer to this question. This camp was their home base, and I think that the trios mindset was more on defending it than escaping. I think Hermione's stinging curse or whatever was just a last second thought and probably took much less concentration...

Though, to argue with myself, there was another earlier time where Harry and Hermione were jumping headfirst out of a window from a room with a snake and a dark lord, and she managed to disapparate in that panicked situation...

It is odd, unless a Taboo sets a anti dissaparation spell in place. They were apparating EVERY WHERE by this point, it should have been second nature. Hermione was able to stun off a death eater and apparate at almost the same time back at Grimwauld Place. Maybe it will come out in the index. I never noticed about the cloak at Xeno's place, that is a true mistake there!

ToMillMaster:
ah you mean the apparition thing in Godrics Hollow!
well yes you are right but I think that it was a little different wasnt it?
she didnt have to reach harry and ron there but only harry...and assuming that the three were probably not as close together it would make a difference...
moreover when Harry realises that LV is coming he is shouting it at hermione, he is like "He is coming! Hermione he is coming!" and then it takes a little until LV appears and they have to fight Nagini first so Hermione could have developed the plan to disapparate there as she knows already that he will deffinetly come...its not blind panik like in the other scene (where they are not expecting at all that anyone would come)..they have a little more time (all they have to do is to get hold of each other) which makes a difference I think...

I want to know why Cho was at Hogwarts still.Wasn't she a year ahead of Harry?Because, if she was, why was she at Hogwarts?This is just something that confused me when i read that part.

Are you sure that she really was a student?
Because I dont remember it being mentioned that she was still studying there...
but Neville send a message to everyone who was in the DA and probably she got the message and therefore just came to fight...I understood it that way...is it written differently? can you quote that maybe because you are right if it is written that way it is a huuuuuge mistake

At the fight scene in the forest with LV, Harry is wearing robes, where he stashes his wand and cloak.

How did he come to have robes on? Weren't they just wearing regular clothes when they arrived at Hogwarts?

pumpkinjuice: That is artistic liberty! You goof.

You are perfectly right. Harry was wearing just clothes when he got to Hogwarths, and then he walked iinto the forest with his loved ones surrounding him, because he had the ring of the Deathly Hallows. Why did he have robes? Dunno. Maybe JKR forgot.

To be true to context, though, I am going to reread that part to make sure.

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I just re-read that bit and it didn't say anything about her studying in Hogwarts it just said that she got the message from Neville.I was reading quickly so i probably misread it.
My bad

oh yeah that happened to me too, no worries...lol

to the robe thing...
arent robes the usual clothing for wizards anyway? so maybe she meant they were just dressed the usual way-> robes...i dont know though..just a suggestion

This was written by Dumbledore's Widow in page 18:

''19- Lily's patronus was something else before she fell in love with James. This is similar to what happened to Tonk's patronus after she fell in love with Remus. Now, how come Snape's patronus is not Lily's original patronus? Why would his patronus mutate into the very thing that symbolizes his greatest regret in his life, because the doe represents Lily's love for James Potter, not him? Patronuses are a reflection of happy thoughts, this contradicts Snape's hatred for James.''

It didn't change, James was a stag in his animagus form as a pair to Lily's patronus, and because Snape loved Lily his patronus was same as her's.

By the way, this was in wikipedia, you might wanna take a look, if you haven't already read it.

''In an interview, online chat, Wizard of the Month section of her website, and during her 2007 U.S. Open Book Tour, Rowling gave additional information on the futures of the main characters that she chose not to include in the epilogue of the book. She stated that:

* Harry becomes an Auror for the Ministry of Magic, and is later appointed head of the department. He keeps Sirius's motorcycle, which Arthur Weasley repaired for him, but he can no longer speak Parseltongue after Voldemort's soul fragment inside him was destroyed.
* Ginny Weasley plays for the Holyhead Harpies Quidditch team for a time, leaves to establish a family with Harry and later becomes the lead Quidditch correspondent for the Daily Prophet.
* Ron Weasley works at George's store for a time, Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes, then joins Harry as an Auror.
* Hermione finds her parents in Australia and removes the memory modification charm she put on them. She initially works for the Ministry of Magic in the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures, greatly improving life for house elves and their ilk. She later moves to the Department of Magical Law Enforcement and assists in eradicating oppressive, pro-pureblood laws.
* Dumbledore's friendship with Gellert Grindelwald extended to unrequited love, which may have initially blinded him to the extent of Grindlewald's schemes.

Rowling also explained the fates of several secondary characters:

* George Weasley continues his successful joke shop and names his first child Fred, in memory of his late twin brother.
* Luna Lovegood searches the world for odd and unique creatures. She eventually marries Rolf, a grandson of the famed naturalist, Newt Scamander. Her father's publication, The Quibbler, has returned to its usual condition of "advanced lunacy" and is appreciated for its unintentional humour.
* Firenze is welcomed back into his herd, who finally acknowledge the virtue of his pro-human leanings.
* Dolores Umbridge is arrested, interrogated, and imprisoned for crimes against Muggle-borns.
* Cho Chang went on to marry a Muggle.
* Neville Longbottom eventually marries Hannah Abbott and lives in a flat above the Leaky Cauldron, when she becomes its new landlady.

There have been transformations in the wider wizarding world:

* Kingsley Shacklebolt is the permanent Minister for Magic, with Percy Weasley working under him as a high official. Among the reforms introduced by Shacklebolt, Azkaban no longer uses Dementors. Consequently, the world is now a "much sunnier place". Harry, Ron, and Hermione have also been instrumental in reforming the Ministry.
* At Hogwarts, Slytherin House has become more diluted and is no longer the pureblood bastion it once was, although its dark reputation lingers.
* Voldemort's jinx on the Defence Against the Dark Arts (DADA) position is broken with his death. There is now a permanent DADA teacher.
* A portrait of Snape, who briefly served as Hogwarts Headmaster, does not appear in the headmaster's office as he abandoned his post. Harry ensures the addition of Snape's portrait, and publicly reveals Snape's steadfastness.''

The cloak being in Hermione's bag already is a one I missed too. Did anyone else wonder how Ron and Harry found the tent so easily after finding the sword inteh forest, when Ron had been stumbling around the tent for a day or two already and couldn't find it. if it was hidden, wasn't it hidden.? Or did Harry memorize the tree opposite the doorway while he was still inside, or something, and just walk blindly into the tent that way. *(I just reread that part - it as snowing, so maybe they could just follow footprints! )

I like that there aren't details for every little bit, so maybe this isn't a mistake. It makes one think, but it would be nice to know if it is left out on purpose, or just a mistake. For instance, I have no trouble with the sword being a sort of free agent, coming to the aid of a true Gryfinddor. And the mystery surrounding the baby/child Voldemort segment of soul is very interesteing. I like the theory that it was created when Harry was a baby, so it is a baby/child. I also like my own idea that once a soul is split, it is not whole, and can't really mature. (That whole chapter is very well done. And the chapter after, even better.)

The apparating or not when Snatchers came - I think our heroes are very human, and made lots of mistakes. Which is what makes the book work, because the best laid plans of Dumbledore and Lord Thingy (I love that, my favorite reference for Riddle, next to 'You No Poo') were wrecked by random chance. Chaos theory, in a small way. I like that they freed the dragon, and I hope Kingsley frees other dragons or creatures in his work of removing corruption from the miinistry and wizarding world, even tho I know the bank isn't run by ministry. But you know what I mean. Bit like the tigers in the circus. Cages are too restricting.

well with ron being able to say the name of shell cottage end is they diddnt cast da fidelus charm intill ron got seen with harry and hermione at the malfoy manor bcuz the death eaters thought ron was on his death bed wit sppattergoit so when he said shell cottage end that was before the fidelus chram was casted

I found several mistakes:
1) Ron and Harry go on and on about how the cloak has never failed to make them completely invisible, but the wearer of the cloak shows up on the Mauraders Map, the fake Mad Eye Moody saw through the cloak in GOF, and Nagini inside Bathilda Bagshot saw through it just a few chapters before Harry and Ron talk about it being a hallow. If we go by the rules JKR gives then the cloak isn't a hallow.
2)The jinx on LV name is inconsistent. It seems to work everywhere but Grimmaud Place. The name is said several times there and it never broke the protective charms. If the charms on the Black house were stronger than most charms, then JKR should have said so. Otherwise it looks like she sets rules and uses them when she needs it as a plot point and ignores them when it would stop a different plot point.
3) Harry is bitten by Nagini and Hermione is able to cure it with a few drops of essense of dittany, but in OFTP we are told that the venom causes the wound to bleed without clotting and Mr Weasley had to take hourly potions to keep from bleeding to death and Snape does bleed to death when he is bitten.Why doesn't Harry's bite keep bleeding?
4) This isn't so much as a mistake as annoying...was it just me or was Hermione a blubbering idiot in this book? Every time you turned around she was crying or abut to cry about something.
5) Ron abandoning Harry and Hermione was out of character, and a contrivance to allow Harry and Hermione to learn about Potter Watch, the snatchers, and the taboo.

In response to Beanhead06's post...


1) The cloak (also a hallow) never fails to make them invisible. In the book, it is described as a cloak that renders the user invisible and no charms can break the cloak. Also, it never fades and it's magic never falters as time goes on. However, the few times you have listed are all because of outside sources that can see through all enchantments and charms. You must remember that there are always exceptions to "rules" in the world of Harry Potter.

2) Another exception...Lord Voldemort's name was a taboo, however Grimmauld Place was protected with many enchantments; one of them being the Fidelius Charm. Without exception (about the only thing without an exception), only people who have been told the location by the Secret Keeper can enter a place under the protection of a Fidelius Charm. This means that it didn't matter if you used Lord Voldemort's name because they could not see or enter Grimmauld Place.

3) Simple...Harry doesn't bleed to death because of the essence of dittany. Snape wasn't treated at all and Arthur was trying muggle stitches and a random assortments of potions. Neither one of them were treated with essence of dittany.

4) You have to remember the gravity of her situation and the stress she is under. The fate of the wizarding world rests on her shoulders as well, for Harry could not have done it without her and Ron. The person that she has been falling for throughout the whole series has left after a fight. They have a horcrux that fills their head with bad thoughts. They are fighting and running for their lives. They've left all their friends and the life they know to go off into the unknown to find and destroy the horcruxes. Dumbledore has just died and his wisdom is no longer available when they hit a tough spot in the road. They are essentially alone trying to defeat the greatest dark wizard of all time. If I were her I think I'd be crying too.

5) This book has a lot of new elements and is much darker than previous books. And yes, is was out of character but not completely unexpected. Also you must remember that he was under the influence of the horcrux when he was yelling and left.

-Nick
HJP

This is in reference to sdoane's comment about how Harry found the tent so quickly after he found the sword in the pond.

The reason Ron wasn't able to find the tent was because he wasn't around when the protective charms were cast.

But Harry was there, and likely helped set them up. So the camp site would be visible to him.

Here's a dilemma:

I think Ron is able to tell Dobby about Shell Cottage because house elf magic is very different but how does he manage to tell Harry and Hermione about it before they've been taken there by Dobby? Perhaps I am confused but did Ron tell them before the incident in the Malfoy's cellar that Bill was secret keeper?
This then raises the question of how Ron managed to tell Dobby in front of the others in the cellar. Fair enough if Dobby understood it but there were four others there that should not have been able to understand a thing.

Any ideas?

I don't think it was out of character, extreme yes, but not out of character. In a few of the books Ron is fighting with someone. The Horcurx played on his insecurities about not being worthy to be there fighting. Harry was the hero, Hermione was the brains, Ron may not have seen himself to have a "role" so the horcurx made him want to leave. So when Harry told him to, Ron left in the heat of the moment. But he regretted it almost immediately but couldn't find his way back.

But yes, it was all mainly a plot device so that we could learn what was going on elsewhere in the wizarding world!

harryjpotter maybe it's because Ron had been there? I don't really know Didn't they disaperate through Dobby in the 'general area' and then Bill went out to meet them a distance away thus telling them the secret? Hmm... I'll have to read that scene through again!

Hmmm very true Ygraine but the thing is the secret keeper is the only one who can give information about the secret. Maybe the name of the place wasn't part of the secret but I wonder, anyway, how Dobby knew where it was without ever having been there or is this another fantastic branch of house elf magic?