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siriuslee
oh yea. bella had it coming and deserved what she got. especially for what she did to nevillle's parents and sirius
Dumbledore's Widow
I agree with Chelsie, Bella should have been killed by Neville. It would have been a justifiable revenge.

Instead we have Super!Molly, a simple housewife, offing Bellatrix! I too laughed my head off when I read this part. I'm sure Rowling didn't intend for it to be funny though! Like the she-bear protects her cubs, Molly protected Ginny, who couldn't have gotten herself out of a paper bag in that battle! (Um - so much for the powers Ginny was suppose to have!)

ali_kisskiss
i think that the duel was a little impressive. but im glad it was mrs. weasley even though neville deserved his revenge on bellatrix i think it would have been too predictable. i just never really pictured mrs. weasley as such a good dueler even though she is in the order. she had good reason though (fred sad.gif ).
2strange4life
I am (drumroll, please) Not Happy! mad.gif

My favorite charachter is (or was, anyway) Bellatrix. sad.gif If you want to know my reasons why that is so, send me an owl. (If you do take the time to stop and look for the other point of view, it shows you are a very considerate person. smile.gif )

Anyway, back to the topic. Neville got enough of his kicks out of killing the snake. So I guess it was Molly's turn.

I'm still not too happy about Bella's fate, though. Sigh. Sniffle.
LupinFan88
I think the quote preceding the duel says it all. I was suprised that it was Molly to do so, but I really wished Neville could have done it. I know its predictable, but predictabliy is an asset in situations like these. You know its coming, and you savor it. 2strange4life, I like Bella as a villian. I think she was worse than Voldemort in some respects, and Helena Boham Carter is awesome. But since she is a villain, I think her death was necessary and important. Sorry, but that cruel, cruel, woman had to go.

Babysitting the cubs,

LupinFan88
David
I agree with Zeph.
The description given of what happened to Bellatrix just doesnt match the AK curse.
Doesn't AK kill instantly?

Also, I don't think AK is the only spell out there that can kill.
Remember in book 5? McG. got hit by a couple of stunning spells in the chest. Madam Pompfrey said it's lucky she didn't die.

Although I'm sure Bellatrix wasnt killed by a stunnng spell, I'm sure it wasnt AK. Not Molly's style. Nonono.
True Gryffindor Girl
I was really suprised that Molly ended up killing Bellatrix because I always thought that it would be either Harry or Neville who would kill her. Harry would want to kill her to avenge sirius's death and Neville would want to kill her because of what she did to his parents. I guess Molly rushed forward and started fighting her because she had almost killed Ginny.
tonks&lunalvr
I think Neville got his revenge by killing Nagini. I think that was even better for neville, because he was getting his comeback for school and his parents combined. He was showing everyone, that thought he was a nothing. He also got revenge directly at Voldemort, for what happened to his parents.

I think that makes Molly killing Bellatrix perfect for me. Molly had been so scared in all of the books of her family getting torn apart by the war, and when someone finally died, she just lost it. She had to fight the fear. I liked the fact that she was the one to kill Bella.
Mrs Longbottom81
I was hoping for Neville to get the chance to kill Bellatrix, but I like Mrs. Weasley killing her better, and Neville got his shining moment anyway. I thought that part of the book was amazing, I never pictured Mrs. Weasley dueling like that, but I guess her son's death and her daughter almost being killed made her want revenge.
LoveSnape
I think the duel between Mrs. Weasley and Bellatrix is a direct contrast with Lily trying to protect Harry. There are really two kinds of mothers; those who will die for their children, and those who will kill for them. All mothers have a mix of both traits, just a question of which is predominant. I'm sure if Lily had a wand, she would have used it (to no avail, I'm sure, and the end result would have been the same). And I'm sure Mrs. Weasley would have accepted death if it came to that. I think JKR understands this aspect of motherhood. A defenseless woman will sacrifice herself to protect her child, and a woman with a weapon will use it fiercely! I am not shocked by the language, or the fact that Mrs. Weasley's intent was to kill. Seeing your children in danger does strange things...
Harry'sSister100
I was sure that it would be Neville!
But I think he might of been too rashional dry.gif
Molly did that because of Ginny. biggrin.gif
They are total oposites(Molly and Bellatrix)Bellatrix might of murdered Neville though because
she's a Death Eater and everything.Or the dark lord could of taughted Neville and made him
in pain so Bellatrix could... you know.Well I have to go.
lancelot243
I thought it was awesome! It kind of reminded me of when Yoda fights count duku in Star Wars: Attack of the Clones. A character that no one thought was a good fighter jumped up and went at it with great ferocity and success. I had also thought of Neville to be the one to do it, but it is mentioned multiple times throughout the series that Bella is an extremely skilled dueler, and i know Neville showed his warrior/brave side in this book... but he was never a good deuler. As is mentioned during DA meetings in OotP. So, i think it would be un-realistic that Neville could beat Bella in a duel.
Ginny.Weasley
This battle was one of my favourite parts of the book. Yes, I'm sure we all would have loved to see Neville finsh Bellatrix off, but if you think of it, he may not have even entered the castle yet, so he was a bit too late.

When Ginny almost died, Mrs. Weasley probably flew off the handle;
1. Because it's her only daughter and one of her children.
2. She had just lost Fred, and I'm sure she couldn't bear to lose another one.


It's true though. Mrs. Weasley and Bellatrix are complete opposites so it was a good battle to read. I'm actually quite surprised that Mrs. Weasley would use a killing curse, but then again, it is her children and Voldemort we are talking about.

Also I'm amazed that Mrs. Weasley is that good of a witch. Through out the rest of the series, you don't see her as an extremely powerful witch, she's more of the nuturing type. However, I'm extremely glad she won, because it does show that love prevails over all evil.
hpfan7620
I enjoyed this battle. Obviously, it would have been nice to have Neville beat Bella, because of the pain she has caused him, but it makes sense that Molly did it. As stated, they really are opposites, and after one of her sons was killed, she was NOT going to let another one move on. Also, I liked how this showed another side to Mrs. Weasly, that she's not ONLY a great mother, but also a great wizard.
Kaitlyn
I think the same as hpfan7620. The fact that Bella doesn't care about family at all and that Molly has been the mother figure in all the books reflected in the battle. There's nothing more important for a mother as Molly than her children and not only she was upset, but she wouldn't let Bella do that to any other family, she was going for revenge!
Of course it would have been nice if Neville had done it, but Molly is just as good considering the fact of what Bella did to her.
It was a great battle and if Molly had used AK, I wouldn't have minded because Bella deserved even worse! Molly rules!
Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
best thing i've ever read...ok maybe second best to ron and hermione...but yea. Spectacular. Incredible. i dont even think i can describe how i felt when mrs. weasley killed her. i'm glad she did it, i actually prefered seeing her do it than neville. i dunno why. i cant imagine neville doing it...buy yea. i shall never think of molly weasley the same. i love her so much more now!!!! : )
AnnyMagus
Hi everyone,

I thought I would add my thoughts to this thread. First, I was not shocked at Molly's words to Bellatrix. To me, after all that had happened to this point, it made sense to me that the emotions ran that high.

I do disagree that Molly used the AK curse for a few reasons.
1] It is a proven fact that even someone in great shape, such as a boxer, could (and has) die if a forceful blow was delivered to a vital organ.

2] Bellatrix had to have had one of the most stress-filled lives of all the DE. She put herself in the position as LV's most ardent admirer and it would appear, longed to be his mate. As any medical professional could tell you, stress is high on the list as a cause of heart problems.

So, with the motivation of defending her child and only daughter, plus the fact that her aim was dead on to Bella's heart, I feel that most any strong curse like a freezing curse could have been delivered with such force to cause the end of Bella's life.
annesches
don't know why the actions of molly towards bella was so surprising to others. i wasn't surprised by what she had did and screaming at bella of you-know-what was, well bella deserved it. molly was a mother who had really love her children, seeing her boggart will let us understand her love and fear. she just lost a son and seeing bella attacking ginny again one of her children will surely drive any mother mad. molly just fight for and protected her children, she doesn't wanted anyone to hurt them again.
sumomo
Hi everyone i'm new ^^; sorry about my English it's rubbish (i'm spanish).

Anyway, i knew that Bellatrix had to die i mean Rowling killed a lot of bad people in this last book except the Malfoys (bless her XD) but it was a sorprise 4 me when i read that Molly killed Bellatrix,before i read the book i expected that she was killed by an avada kedavra or something like that.
I can understand Molly, Fred had been killed by Bellatrix ans she told to Molly that she was going to kill her.
MissKnowItAll
That was one of the best duels in the book, in my opinion. Bellatrix nearly killing Ginny, then Mrs. Weasley stepping up and duelling Bellatrix to kill... It moved fast but was very good. I was surprised at the language she used, but if I was Mrs. Weasley, I would have done the exact same thing. It would have worked out just as well if it was Neville that had killed Bellatrix, but I don't think he would have the heart to kill somebody. Mrs. Weasley would duel to the death for her family though, so it was a very good part of the book.
Elwood J. Blues
I'm actually sort of glad that it was Molly instead of Neville. He probably would have disarmed her and roughed her up a bit, instead of killing her. Molly did what she had to do, and this was probably one of the best duels in the entire book, barring the one where Snape got punished by McGonagall, that was pretty awesome.
Hermmione14
Well, I thought Harry would kill her off because he was going to get revenge for her killing Sirius. It was kind of a surprise when Molly killed her because she isn't the type of person who would go around on a killing spree. Anyway, I'm glad that somebody killed Bellatrix because she was cruel, evil, and vicious. Hurray for Molly Weasley!!
nevillesgirl
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don't know why the actions of molly towards bella was so surprising to others. i wasn't surprised by what she had did and screaming at bella of you-know-what was, well bella deserved it. molly was a mother who had really love her children, seeing her boggart will let us understand her love and fear. she just lost a son and seeing bella attacking ginny again one of her children will surely drive any mother mad. molly just fight for and protected her children, she doesn't wanted anyone to hurt them again.

~I understand your point her however I think the initial surprise comes from years of being set up from JKR herself that it would be Neville who would avenge his parents needless torture. True Molly went after her because Bella almost kills Ginny however many of the other Weasely kids are almost killed and mum doesn't flip out there. Perhaps it is because Ginny is the only girl or underage...

QUOTE(Elwood J. Blues @ Feb 29 2008, 03:43 PM) [snapback]490328[/snapback]

I'm actually sort of glad that it was Molly instead of Neville. He probably would have disarmed her...

~oh I quite disagree here. I think Neville was more then capable of killing her, lest we forget how he chopped Nagini's head off. He did what needed to be done in that instance and would have done the same had he been duelling with Bella. Neville has been a character that grew tremendously over the entire series and it culminated in book seven.
No George without Fred
I thought that Neville was gunna' finish of Bellatrix right up until Molly did. I was so terrified that Molly was going to get herself killed picking a fight with Bella and after she killed Bella I thought that Voldi was going to kill Molly anyway. I'm glad that Molly killed her after what happend to Fred eeek.gif. The only thing that could have made it better was if Fred had been there to see it eeek.gif eeek.gif eeek.gif
EMILUBE37
I loved that part. I showed it to my mom, and she said, "Way to go Mrs.Weasley!" In fact, Mrs. Weeasly has become her mommy role model. happy.gif They even have the same number of kids. (7) huh.gif

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Gwenog
It should have been Neville. He had just deserved the chance to show his harted towards Bellatrix in a way...I mean if she has to be killed off why could not Neville do it? He had the best reason. Of course Molly had a reason too(fred was dead, ginny was nearly dying) but Neville had to grow up with parents who couldnt care for him or look after him. He had parents but their state was so horrible no child could stand to see his mother and father in that state! Harry even thinks that Neville's desitny is far worse. I mean his parents are alive but its a life you wouldnt wish anyone and he grew up with this
So why not give Neville the chance to let her pay for what she has done.
Bellatrix even made fun of him in OOTP and said she would do to him just what she has done to his parents. Why not letting him give her the chance to make her lick what she spat?(That is a turkish saying..lol)
It would have given me just the satisfaction that justice wins in the end, at least in literature.(although I am against killing people no matter what they have done but we are talking about a fictional story here..so yeah..)
The message of Molly killing Bella...well...I didnt really get the message...
what really did JKR want to show us? That mothers tend to freak out when it comes to their children and do the worst?
Then the message of the son who would do everything for his parents would be much better fitting as we had already mothers (Lily and Narcissa) who have sent us the same message...and we received it..
Dumbledore's Widow
There are people that are saying that Rowling didn't want to have Neville kill Bellatrix because she had always wanted Molly to be the one. Sure, Molly has reason to want to murder Bellatrix, but so does Neville. I agree with Gwenog, and for the same reasons, that Neville should have been the one to do away with Bellatrix.

If Rowling didn't want Neville to kill Bellatrix, then she could have Neville do the same spell on her as she did on his parents. That is a fate worse than death, and Bellatrix knows it. Rowling could have written it in such a way that the reader would have seen the expression on her face seconds before the spell hit her. It would have been priceless! It would have been well deserved, and Neville should have been the one to do it.

LadyMalfoy
I thought Neville should have killed Bellatrix, but I was proud of Mrs. Weasly for finishing her off. biggrin.gif I do believe the word Mrs. Weasly used was nessary, she had just lost Fred eeek.gif and she didn't want to loose one of her other children. Especially not Ginny, her only daughter.
Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
it would have also been nice if neville had killed Bellatrix, but seeing mrs. weasley do it was nearly priceless.
the two women displayed the exact contradiction of each other; light vs. dark.

on the one hand you have bellatrix, who loves power, being superior, has no consciense, and she loves someone (voldemort) who is extremely powerful, more powerful than her husband.

and then you have Molly. Caring, loving, nurturing molly whose only greatest fear is seeing her children suffer or die.and she had to experience that. she loves her husband, not for his money, or power, but because of the strength of their love and connection. she has stuck with him through all.

it was a classic good vs. evil moment; it was as powerful as the fight between harry and voldemort. she nearly sees her only daughter die, and she looses control. that was it. she had so much more to live for, to die for.

i am definitely pleased that they were the ones who fought. it didn't happen with neville; he'd had his moment.
vega, of the lyre
QUOTE(Gwenog @ Mar 15 2008, 12:24 PM) [snapback]494063[/snapback]
It should have been Neville. He had just deserved the chance to show his harted towards Bellatrix in a way...I mean if she has to be killed off why could not Neville do it? He had the best reason. Of course Molly had a reason too(fred was dead, ginny was nearly dying) but Neville had to grow up with parents who couldnt care for him or look after him. He had parents but their state was so horrible no child could stand to see his mother and father in that state! Harry even thinks that Neville's desitny is far worse. I mean his parents are alive but its a life you wouldnt wish anyone and he grew up with this
So why not give Neville the chance to let her pay for what she has done.
Bellatrix even made fun of him in OOTP and said she would do to him just what she has done to his parents. Why not letting him give her the chance to make her lick what she spat?(That is a turkish saying..lol)
It would have given me just the satisfaction that justice wins in the end, at least in literature.(although I am against killing people no matter what they have done but we are talking about a fictional story here..so yeah..)
The message of Molly killing Bella...well...I didnt really get the message...
what really did JKR want to show us? That mothers tend to freak out when it comes to their children and do the worst?
Then the message of the son who would do everything for his parents would be much better fitting as we had already mothers (Lily and Narcissa) who have sent us the same message...and we received it..
QUOTE(Dumbledore's Widow @ Mar 15 2008, 01:17 PM) [snapback]494068[/snapback]

I agree with Gwenog, and for the same reasons, that Neville should have been the one to do away with Bellatrix.
Very impassioned and eloquent argument for Neville, [i]Gwenog[/i]! Like you and Dumbledore's Widow, I too would have preferred Neville to fight Bellatrix (and if not Neville then a poor 2nd choice would have been Harry). The fight between Mrs. Weasley and Bellatrix didn’t resonate with me.
I understand the whole mother lion protecting her cub, adrenalin rush explanations but I am unconvinced that Mrs. Weasley was up to the task.
This is a woman who
  • was not member of the initial Order of the Phoenix based on the photo Mad-Eye Moody showed Harry (OotP chapter 9 p. 158 Raincoast)
  • had to look up simple household pest spells to banish garden gnomes, relying on information from Gilderoy Lockhart of all people (CoS chapter 3 p. 32)
  • had to look up healing spells that she had frequently used before i.e. "had always worked" (HBP chapter 5 p. 98)
  • wilted under pressure when she saw her worst fears. She was unable to successfully use a spell (Ridikulus!) learned in Year 3 Defence Against the Dark Arts to get rid of the Bogart (OotP chapter 9 pp. 159-160)
I guess it would have to be Bellatrix’ over-confidence, or Mrs. Weasley’s mothering instinct, adrenalin rush, hot temper or sheer dumb luck because it doesn’t appear to be knowledge, ability, or self-reliance based on how Mrs. Weasley’s written.
Xxfrankee-babyxX
I think Neville should have killed her, because of what she did to his parents. BUT this would only be for revenge. I think Neville had his time to shine when he was keeping up morale during the year at Hogwarts and when he killed Nagini.

But Molly is a good second choice, we have never seen her capacity for magic during the books and JK Rowling wanted to display that she was more than just a "mother and housewife."

At the time of the duel molly had just lost Fred and Bellatrix nearly killed Ginny so her "attack mode" would be up 150% so she would be a good example to kill Bellatrix. - if that makes sense.

I don't think Harry would have been a good choice because it would have taken his mind away from the task of killing Voldy.

I think Tonks should have killed her, but Bellatrix got her first.
Ginnyfan101
This was THE battle of Deathly Hallows. I was surprised of the word that used Ms. Weasley but it fitted Bellatrix perfectly. I mean, let's put ourselfes in the position of Ms. Weasley. She lost one of her sons sad.gif and almost lost her ONLY daugther by an inch, of course she would've furious. And like some already said Ms. Weasley and Bellatrix are opposite poles. Ms. Weasley is the caring and loving mother and Bellatrix is like the ' I don't care about people I just want to hurt'em ' type of person. I think Ms. Weasley was the perfect person to kill Bellatrix.
♪She killed Bellatrix♪ biggrin.gif
soleil
Gwenog, Dumbledore's Widow, and vega, of the lyre, my sentiments exactly.

I absolutely expected Neville to get Bellatrix in the end, and was disappointed he didn't. I thought it would have been much more powerful for the son of the people she had tortured to insanity to kill her. Poetic justice, even. Instead, we got (yet another) example of a mother's love. Ok, Jk! I get it!

I don't understand why JK couldn't have Molly take on a different death eater who nearly killed her child, and leave Bellatrix to Neville.

I also found Molly's language to be surprising, and inappropriate. I'm not a big fan of Molly; I think she's an abrasive character. She can be very judgmental and comes across as crass to me. When I read her foul language, I just shook my head and said "of course she would."

Its no surprise to me that Molly would say something like that. Its surprising that JK would choose to include that particular phrase. Not because the books are "children's books" (although it would be better to exclude language like that from children's books), but because I thought she could come up with something a bit more...intelligent. My mother used to tell me "Any backwoods hick can curse. It takes class and wit to come up with something better."

....Not that I'm saying Molly acts like a backwoods hick or anything... maybe....But really, a lot of the insults you come up with that don't have curse words in them are sometimes much more hard hitting and cruel. Cursing just sounds ignorant.
Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
with all due respect, i think crass is a very harsh word to judge molly with. she raised seven children...of course she's going to be judgemental! it's in her nature to keep her children away from anything that could potentially hurt or harm them.

and i absolutely think the use of that word was justified, if not necessary. any parent, i should hope, would be inclined to call the near-killer of their child that word. i mean, put yourself in her shoes. in no way whatsoever was it inappropriate, to me.

Neville did what he did, and i am pleased that his moment was a direct asset to harry. his parents would not have wanted to know he killed someone.

soleil
I meant no offense. I'm just not crazy about Molly's character, and IMPO sometimes she comes off as a bit crass. Yes. Sorry. Its just an opinion. One that you obviously do not share, and you're very entitled to your own.

I don't see how her mothering skills are related to how classy she seems, but I absolutely agree with you that she had every right to be furious and I wasn't surprised that she would say something rather abrasive in the situation. I only suggested that instead of cursing, which I consider a bit low-brow , she could have said something else with the same effect without having to use foul language.
Xxfrankee-babyxX
It was the cursing that made the fight in my opinion! It was great, I loved how cursing was encorporated into the book. It made it seem more like real life to me!
nevillesgirl
QUOTE(soleil @ Mar 18 2008, 07:58 PM) [snapback]495201[/snapback]

I absolutely expected Neville to get Bellatrix in the end, and was disappointed he didn't... I'm not a big fan of Molly;

Sweet! It seems I have decided to enter this debate at just the right time. I also happen to agree soleil. I have never been fond of Molly's character either but for very different reasons. I find her overbearing and pushy. She is also somewhat nosey. The other thing that really busted my hump about her is that she never seemed to appreciate the type of children she had. She always seemed to point out the improvements they could make either to grades or behavior or personal grooming. I mean honestly, Fred and George were businessmen and she seemed to try and squash their creativity. And what was the thing with pointing out the whole status thing...Percy being Headboy and second one in the family...so what? Her other children were just as significant. Anyways, I think that ramble was a bit off topic ...

So I did expect Neville to duel Bella in the end simply because of the way JKR set up her story. She painted comparisons between Harry and Neville through out the series and we all saw the clear path Harry had to Voldemort. I thought Nevilles path to Bellatrix was just as clear. When Molly stepped in just because her daughter got a curse flung at her spoiled that for me.
I mean, Molly didn't jump in and get all paternal when any of her other children were getting hexes thrown at them.
The whole language thing didn't bother me. I probably would have said much worse had anyone tried to hurt my kids.
soleil
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The other thing that really busted my hump about her is that she never seemed to appreciate the type of children she had. She always seemed to point out the improvements they could make either to grades or behavior or personal grooming


I had decided to not post about this in my original post, but I think I will after hearing this from you, Nevillesgirl.

I absolutly agree. Molly isn't the most tolerant of people, and she certainly is pushy. It seems like she never has anything positive to say to any of them. Its always "cut your hair, Bill. Stay in school or you'll ruin your life, Fred and George." I hardly hear anything from her besides critisizm. She is loving. And we see this in many ways. But we also see that she is demanding and harsh, and I don't think these are traits I would equate with a "good" mother.

And this would all be off topic except for the reason she started duling with Bellatrix. It seems to me that out of her children, Ron has been given the most greif, and I blame his insecurities entirely on her and how much he's always been measured up to his brothers. I'm not crazy about Molly taking on Bellatrix, but if JK had left out the cursing, and if she had had Molly defending RON instead of Ginny, that would have rectified it IMPO. I thought it would show that she really did think Ron was worth her love, which IMPO she seems to show very rarly.

Ginny, on the other hand, probably endured her mother's behavior as well, but because she was the baby and the only girl, I bet it wasn't equal to Ron's. Besides, RON was one of the main characters, not Ginny. I thought it would have been much more interesting if it had been Ron instead.


And anyways, because I don't like her very much, I thought someone better, like neville could have gotten Bellatrix. Someone who deserved to.

But yes, Molly. I don't like her. Nevillesgirl, PM me if you'd like to talk with someone who shares your opinion. I feel like adding anything more would be off topic.
Xxfrankee-babyxX
I like Molly because in spite of her downfalls and weaknesses she still loves Harry as if he is one of her own.

This in my opinion squashes out all the negatives because the unconditonal love she feels for Harry is not shown by anyother characters in the book (save Hermione and Ron)

PANTHER2000
QUOTE(Xxfrankee-babyxX @ Mar 19 2008, 08:01 PM) [snapback]495362[/snapback]

It was the cursing that made the fight in my opinion! It was great, I loved how cursing was encorporated into the book. It made it seem more like real life to me!


It was ok But, a complete ripoff of SW in Aliens. JK could have come up with something more original.

But, I was truly wishing that it was Neville who killed her. Bellatrix has done more damage to him & his family than to Molly's family.
MAdkins82
OK I am new and this is my first post. I have to say that the fact that JKR decided no to have Neville kill Bella is the same reason she had Snape kill Dumbledore and not Malfoy. Had Neville been the one to act the revenge it would have hurt his soul. He would have lost all innocence. There was no doubt that molly could take on Bella due to the fact that as Harry said when he "died" for them he protected them. All of the spells were near misses and they were really in no danger at that point, no other good guys were lost beyond that point. But back to the Neville being innocent even in the end when Harry defeated Voldemort, his soul is safe bc he did not truly kill Voldemort, he used "Expelliarmus" which just made Volde's spell backfire and kill himself. Therefore Harry, Neville, and all the children remained innocent.
nevillesgirl
QUOTE(MAdkins82 @ Apr 10 2008, 02:12 PM) [snapback]501396[/snapback]

OK I am new and this is my first post. I have to say that the fact that JKR decided no to have Neville kill Bella is the same reason she had Snape kill Dumbledore and not Malfoy. Had Neville been the one to act the revenge it would have hurt his soul. He would have lost all innocence. There was no doubt that molly could take on Bella due to the fact that as Harry said when he "died" for them he protected them. All of the spells were near misses and they were really in no danger at that point, no other good guys were lost beyond that point. But back to the Neville being innocent even in the end when Harry defeated Voldemort, his soul is safe bc he did not truly kill Voldemort, he used "Expelliarmus" which just made Volde's spell backfire and kill himself. Therefore Harry, Neville, and all the children remained innocent.

That is a good point...about Neville not wanting to act out in revenge. However I disagree about the "innocence" comment. At this point everyone, especially those who had been loyal to Harry since Voldemorts rebirth had witnessed such severe atrocities that most of their childhood innocence was already gone.
For the last year of his education Neville was subject to beatings and witnessing of the teaching of the Dark Arts in such a way that he knew what he was up against. His innocence was already lost.
The thing that bothers me about the situation is that JK Rowling set her story up for the audience believing it would be Neville who finished off Bellatrix. It was a stop in the flow of her writing for me when Molly did it.
DeSs
It was a real surprise that Molly had killed Bellatrix; my heart stopped because I thougt Molly could end up dead: another blow to the Weasleys.
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That is a good point...about Neville not wanting to act out in revenge. However I disagree about the "innocence" comment. At this point everyone, especially those who had been loyal to Harry since Voldemorts rebirth had witnessed such severe atrocities that most of their childhood innocence was already gone.
For the last year of his education Neville was subject to beatings and witnessing of the teaching of the Dark Arts in such a way that he knew what he was up against. His innocence was already lost.

I agree, he was in his rights to kill Bella, but I think Molly caught her first. She reacted with all her maternal instinct: Avada Kedavra was the first thing in what she thought about; she was threatening her only girl, and laughing at the idea of Fred dead, it was a woman stabbed in her very heart.
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The thing that bothers me about the situation is that JK Rowling set her story up for the audience believing it would be Neville who finished off Bellatrix. It was a stop in the flow of her writing for me when Molly did it.

Here's the point in which I disagree. For me, it was still more interesting that have been Molly the one who killed her: another twist in JK plot. She's been always making us believe something just for change it at the end. I really love it, cause then we find we weren't right with our guessings, and it's more surprising yet.
Gwenog
I think nevillesgirl is right though.
JKR really constructed the plot around Neville in a way that everyone was thinking: "Okay if somebody kills Bellatrix it will be him." Occasionally I thought it also could have been Tonks, yet obviously Bellatrix was faster than her and finished her off. So for me, there was just one person who could finish Bellatrix in the end and that was Neville. I just don't get the logic of Molly killing her. If she killed Rookwood, the murderer of her son, okay go ahead. But taking the chance of revenge from Neville, who indeed wasn't innocent long before, was just senseless.
That just broke the causality of the story in my opinion....
nadadurr0
I personally liked the duel between the two witches. It portrayed the stronger side of Molly Weasley. However, I should admit that I didn't expect her to murder Bella. I am not complaining, though biggrin.gif. I thought Bella deserved it. She was the most vicious of all death eaters. Being a woman, you would expect her to be a bit nice. But no! She was as bad as LV. I wanted Harry to kill her for what she did to Sirius. Also, I wanted her to suffer a bit before she died. I am not trying to be cruel or anything but the way she tortured many just for fun, makes her deserve it. Anyway, glad that Molly rose to the occasion. It shows how more motherly she is. She would kill anyone who harms her kids. Hats off to her!
Harry James Potter
I think that it would have been awesome if Neville would have killed Bellatrix however I think that would have been more of a break in the theme than Molly killing her. The main reasoning behind this theory is that Neville was always supposed to be the "could've-been Chosen One" and was always portrayed as lesser than Lv, while Harry was equal to LV. Bellatrix was LV's right-hand man(girl) and was, by many, just as evil and feared. Thus, it wouldn't have made sense for Neville to just come in kill her and then have peopole really wondering...if their is any difference at all between Harry and Neville. Molly coming in was perfect in my opinion because Bellatrix represents herself as much as her fellow death eaters and Molly talks about not touching her whole family ever again. This then relates to all the attacks on all of the Weasley family. So it's kind of Weasleys vs. Death Eaters in this one-on-one...both teams just chose one person to represent their side, and in the end the Weasley's won it out...they had lost many battles but had won the war. So the Molly-Bellatrix battle wrapped up that rivalry/hatred up in the end.
HGrh fan lover
1 word: EPIC! I loved seeing Mrs. Weasley kick bellatix's butt!
HJP/HJG_TrueLove
I am surprised that Molly bested Bellatrix in a duel and killed her. I think Bellatrix is clearly the better witch but one of the biggest themes in this book is the love of a parent. Lily died for Harry, Molly threw herself into a duel with Bellatrix after Bellatrix almost killed Ginny. I am a little disappointed that Neville didn't get to finish her off
Ginevra Molly Weasley
Even though Mrs. Weasley is Bellatrix Lestrange's opposite, I still don't think it was right for her to be the one to kill her. It is because she is so nice and loving and caring that she wouldn't do that sort of thing. Loving, caring people don't go around murdering people, no matter how horrible they are. That just makes them as bad as the original murderer.

Neville should have been the one to kill her. I always thought that he wasn't as cute and innocent as he seemed. He wanted that revenge more than anything. It just doesn't seem fair that Mrs. Weasley took the chance away from him.
kiwi
though molly just lost fred and bellatrix just fired a curse that nearly killed her only daughter
i thing that would make any mother fly off the edge and do their best to stop the attacker
in their tracks. im no parent but if it wer my daughter id go nuts and do my best and i no my mother would murder her if she had murdered my brother and almost my sister.
it would have been fairytale to see Neville kill bellatrix but i understand why Molly did.
i never saw her as that powerful though that she could kill Bellatrix i mean she had killed Serios and tonks who were powerful wizards and witches not to mention many others like the longbottoms.
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