I was wondering if Yates is planning on culling the smaller plot lines for the sake of the main story. Considering that's what he did in OotP, him doing it in this movie is a good possibility. One of the main sub-plots that could be culled down (or, heaven forbid, removed altogether) would be the relationships that develop.

*Harry/Ginny/Dean

*Ron/Lavender

*Hermione/McLaggen

*Lupin/Dora

*Bill/Fluer

How do you think these relationships will fare, when considering the part they play in HBP, and the parts they will play in DH? (Be cautious of spoilers for DH, please!)

I think that they should definitely include the relationships because as we know the relationships will play a huge role in DH. I know for a fact that Lavender Brown will be playing a part because of casting calls...which makes me believe that Yates will be including the relationships. I know he will leave in the Ginny/Harry fling but he will probably dull it down by just getting rid of the Dean/Ginny phase that comes before it. Also, on an interview I watched with Rupert Grint Rupert said that he was pretty sure he wuld be playing Quidditch in HBP, which leads me to believe that A. Yates has already planned to having Quidditch lead to the Ginny/Harry kiss and B. that if he is including Quidditch in this one then maybe he will be paying more attention to detail than he did in OOTP (which, by the way, I think should have been about 45 minutes longer.)

I truely hope that they keep the bit where Harry is desperately trying to control his feelings for Ginny i think that it is an important part especially when it gets nearer to the end and Harry is deciding to keep Ginny safe by not going out it shows Harry has grown up i think.

I so hope that they leave in harry/ginny because in most of the book harry is trying to not think about ginny and is trying to control his feelings for her . Also I think Yates should have the scene where ginny is kissing dean and harry has to intervene between ginny and ron, that would stir things and then that leads ron onto being with lavender because ginny mentions that hermione snogged krum. But dont you think that it is strange that hermione knew that harry would recognise her if she went out with other guys?

HBP main plot is actually their love life along with Voldy history and Snape and Malfoy.

I realise that the movie tend to focus on main theme, so it would probably be there

Yea i agree with everyone... and i'm sure i've read an interview with David Yates where he said that film 6 willl be all about [mod deleted], drugs and rock and roll" so i reckon the relationships will play an important part- im guessing mainly Harry/Ginny and Ron/Lav.

100% agree... should have been longer and more included... more attention to BOOK details... that's why im hoping that as well as the relationship stuff, then important Voldemort backstory stuff will be in too.

But then again... i guess they have to make a film that MANY people will enjoy... not just big fans of the books.

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if it is the rock and roll thing, does it mean that:

s**-love life?
Drugs-love potion?, Felix Felicis?
Rock n' Roll-really got a rock sountrack?

anyway i think he just use the term just to describe a more mature Harry Potter

I agree with Horcrux123. I think that it is a big part in HBP how Harry is trying to control his emotions for Ginny. [I wonder if they somehow include the monster in his chest dancing the conga?] But I do know [after some thorough research] that they are including the Ron/Lavender relationship. I guess that over 7000 girls turned up for the audition of Lavender! [wow that's a lot of crushes on Rupert Grint! ]

Meh, even as a Lupin/David Thewlis fan, I can say he's the best one of the trio.

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I'm hoping they'll play a good part. Not detrimental to the story but...you know.

Yes, that last part was filler-guff disguised as a thought.

What do you think they should include about Dean and Ginny's relationship and Harry and Ginny's relationship?
Which points do you think need to be including to keep the plot going?

I want your thoughts on it.

lol, i laughed so hard in hbp when i read that harry's insides were suddenly dancing the conga. that, for some strange reason, was like the funniest line ever!

i'm just about positive that the lav/ron/hermione love triangle will be in there. yay! that should be awesome. the most depressing thing would be if they cut quidditch or the flock of canaries attacking ron.

btw, i do think that the s**, drugs, and rock n' roll reference was just that it'll be a little more grown up and teenager like. but then also:

S**=ron having vertical wrestling matches every day w/ lavender
drugs=poison, drinking(alcohol, tho its not really a drug), and love potion
rock n' roll=slughorn's party. woooo!!

no, but i really think itz just a reference to how different the mood of this story will be just cuz of the amt. of teenage angst, and they're all sixteen now( in the book of course)

I think they'll skip the whole relationship part except for Harry and Ginny's first kiss.

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I think they'll keep it, or do their best to include it. It does become pretty important. I hope they do, anyway..That's the one problem I've had with the movies, that Ginny has been a pretty minor character, besides the end of Chamber of Secrets and Order of the Phoenix she begins to come into her own as a movie character. This relationship would help that even more and it's pretty important. *fingers crossed for Harry-Ginny relationship*

I think that the whole of Dean and Ginny's relationship would probably be cut out, and Harry's and Ginny's would be extremely limited. They would most certainly include their first kiss and the break up, but nothing else I think will matter. I mean, that pretty much is all that is shown in the books anyways so it won't bother me as long as they stick to the main plot and don't cramp it for time just to include Ginny's love life.

Oh goodness. If all of these relationships are included, they might as well turn Harry Potter into a daytime soap opera!

The Ron, Lavander and Hermione triangle might be included in just to add more build up for Hermione and Ron.... Bill and Fleur's and Hermione and McLaggen's relationships will probably be completely cut out because they have no relevance what so ever. Ginny and Dean's possibly might all be cut out, unless they add the part where Harry and Ron find Ginny snogging Dean in the hallway. And as for Ginny and Harry, of course they will be included, but I think that it will be cut down to just their first kiss and the break up. Besides that, the rest of the movie will most likely be devoted to the main plot and Dumbledore's death, as it should be.

I agree... the Ginny/Dean relationship im SURE they'll cut as it doesn't have any significance to the rest of the plot.
And they've already exhausted the whole "Harry's First Kiss" thing in film 5. So they'll probably focus relationship-wise more on the Ron/LavLav thing as it's more exciting and controversial

i dont think they will skip it because of the whole build up with the luck potion and how dean and ginny break up...

Yeah, but HBP isn't all about Harry and his get-together with Ginny. Only occasionally was she mentioned and the build up for their ship is mostly associated with roaring chest monsters, raging hormones, and a sudden realization to want a certain best mate's sister. It is not centered around Dean and Ginny's relationship, it just adds a bit of jealousy. But if the producers want to have time to include the main plot and other relationships present in HBP, Harry and Ginny's needs to be drastically cut down to, I think, just the kiss and the break up, which is basically all that we see of the two together anyways. And like Muggle_Born_Girl said, they have already exhausted the idea of Harry's first kiss in OotP, that it won't be necessary to make a big deal over his second girlfriend, who doesn't even play a big part in the films (or the books). More emphasis needs to be put on Voldemort, his horcruxes, and Dumbledore's death rather than Harry and Ginny's relationship that has no affect to the plot what so ever.

yeah that is a good point it should b all about the horcruxes and the death of dumbledore but they need to add just a little bit of the relationship into the mix. in my opinion i think that it will b a good movie with just harry and ginnys relationship but they should add a little bit of dean/ginny into and show how jealous he is and how much he wants to b with ginny, just to add a little bit of love to the atmosphere for those who like the relationships in the books.

I disagree. I think that with Steve Kloves returning, who wrote the script for movies 1 through 4, we will see in move six that we saw barely any of in movie 5 (and saw plenty of in the first four): character development. In OotP, the only developed character was Luna. That's what this movie lacked, and I expect that the returning writer will see for more "flavor text." I perceive there being a big focus on romance and inter-character relationships due to the auditions for Lavender Brown.

I think if they do include the relationship between Ginny in Dean I think it will be very brief. Maybe something like the two of them walk past Harry and you see him get a little jealous about it and then later on Ginny tells Harry they broke up and there's this big happy look on Harry's face. And then obviously they'll have the kiss and then we'll see the look on Ron's face ( which will be hilarous) and then they will break up. It won't take long, it won't be a huge part of the movie but it's still important.
Personally I think they need to develop Ginny's character in the films a bit more anyway. I mean apart from CoS she's hardly got a look in has she? So I think the Dean/Ginny relationship will help those that don't know her from the books get to know her a bit better before Harry goes out with her. And also there needs to be something to draw her to the screen and into Harry's attention, she can't just spontaniously catch Harry's eye after 4 years or so. I just hope they don't make the Harry and Ginny bit too short, maybe around the same as Harry and Cho would be good.

I was thinking along those lines. I think that they will include something about Ginny and Dean's relationship, but not a lot. They may show thm kiss once, and show Harry get jealous. Then maybe they will walk past Harry holding hands or something and then it will again show Harry being jealous. That's the most they'll show I think.

I hope they don't focus too much on Harry and Ginny's relationship. It's not a romance film, and I don't want it to be. If I wanted to see a romance film I would go see The Notebook or something like that. They made a big deal over relationships and the Yule Ball in GoF and they made a big deal over Harry's first kiss in OotP, so I just hope they don't make a fuss over this. I would rather they include relavent information on Riddle's memories nad Horcruxes then concentrating on silly little High-School crushes.

Plus, being a non-H/G shipper, it would ruin the film for me.

yes i agree that they shouldn't focus on all the relationships happening in HBP as i feel it's only one of many plots running through the book.although i do think the harry/ginny relationship should be mentioned in some way(possibly like some of the above suggestions) as it is referred to throughout DH.
the one relationship that should get air time in my opinion is the hermione/ron one as this is the main 'ship-it has been running for the entire series and in any other film ive seen (except arguably OOTP) this particular one has had very little air time!

Just for some comedy relief, I know they will have parts where Harry stares at Ginny, and I know Dean will be in a releationship with Ginny in the Film, for more comedy when Harry gets angry at Dean... They will have to kiss, but also some scenes to establish they are dating...

I agree because Ginny's character is the most undeveloped character in the series who will be pushed to the lime light with little or no introduction than her debut in CoS several years ago. I see it as impossible for the director's to develop her character enough to place her with Harry without having audience members raise their eyebrows and question who she is. It was a big mistake for JKR to sparingly include her in the books and for the producers to ignore her character entirely.


I completely agree! I really do hope that they focus most on the information in the books that is relevant rather than cutting scenes in order to accomodate the Harry and Ginny relationship. And just like you, I'm a non - H/G shipper as well, so the less, the better.

Being a hopless romantic and an H/G shipper myself I would hope they develop the H/G romance a little but more then the kiss and the break-up. I mean this girl is the girl Harry Potter marries so I would hope they would spend some time on it. I have hope they will. I really am curious as to how they are going to do the H/G romance since most of the romance is Harry's "inner beast" and his thoughts until it finally becomes physical when they kiss. I do have faith that it will work out but my only problem is Ginny hasn't been much in the films except we know she has a crush on Harry and she came out a little but more in this movie but not as much as Ginny did in the book and there were no scenes with them alone like there was in the book so I was a little disappointed but the good news is they did give a hint on the H/G romance with Ginny getting jealous...I was afraid they wouldn't. This means that it is definitely happening and hopefully we H/G shippers won't be disappointed. H&G FOREVER !

One of the main focuses of this book is the trio's love lives along with Draco/Snape and the horcruxes plus they have already started casting Lavender which means the Hermione/Ron/Lavender triangle is in it and it has apparently been confirmed there will be quidditch and there were already hints on the H/G romance in OOTP so it is definitely happening. If they are going to include Lavender/Ron then they are definitely including Ginny/Dean because that's where Ron finds out Hermione snogged Viktor and decides to go out with Lavender also it would make more sense to develop Harry/Ginny with Harry getting jealous.As for Lupin/Tonks it is definitely happening because the woman who plays Tonks has confirmed she will be in the next movie and will be depressed. Lupin/Tonks play an important part in the seventh book so it has to happen I'd be extremely angry if it didn't. I'm not sure whether Bill/Fleur is going to happen. I don't think they've really mentioned Bill at all in the films but who knows it could happen...

Really? Oh, YAY!

I, for one, am a little unsure about Bill and Fluer. There hasn't been any mention of them in the previous movies at all. It would be so random to suddenly announce it in HBP.

"Did you hear, 'Arry? Bill and I, we are getting married!'
'...you were an item to start with?'

I defintely agree. They need to spend more time on developing it however as you said HPFaN13 that it will be difficult because it is his thoughts that show it.

I didn't like this book very much because it's to foucused in the sentimental life of the teenagers though i have to admit the "message" is well transmited i prefer the darkest scenes. It is where the story gets intreresting

I think they will keep ALL of the relationships because it is onne of the main plots..

*half-blood prince book
*relationships
*Draco obsession
*Voldemolt backstory

It will happen I know it..the only one I think is most likely to be cut is Cormac/Hermione...

David Yates recentlly stated the this film is "sex, drugs, and rock and roll", which basicually means the relationships will be there

Cormac and Hermy...you almost can't call it a 'ship'! It's more of a blip. Ha ha, geddit?

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*silence*

I wish they would cut Lav Lav and Won Won. I know they're not, but...yeerrgh. It was bad enough in the books...I'm gonna be doing a bit of eye-covering when it comes out!

Everyone's been quoting what Yates said--not just here, EVERYWHERE. Yeah, that indicates it's not going to be sunshine lollipops and innocence.

Lol ya I know I do, and...everoyne else quotes his "sex, drug, and rock and roll"...which some people are mad andt some arnt'....It means that this movie will be focused on teenage life more than all the others...That they will have to relationships, and possibly hinting quidditch...And knowing this it also might be the biggest comedy which I guess is okay.

ok, they totally have to include the first kiss between harry and ginny, because it's the start of something good, but i doubt they will focus on any other relationships, besides all the drama between ron and hermione, it really sucks they have to cut out so much, but i most definitely doubt they wouldn't focus on harry and ginny, and saying that, that most likely means quidditch will come back in this next movie, so i can't wait to find out!

Oh, i think i already understand David Yates well enough to suggest what his thoughts on the process of making this film are. For instance, i believe that Quidditch could become an important subject to this story because of this simple thing i came up with just half an hour ago: when making films out of books/novels the makers usually try their best to simplify the summary of the plot as much as possible; without simplicity you can't expect viewers to follow the story or say, "oh this seems like an interesting plot, lets go see it". So therefore i think the plot ought to be seperated into three different subplots indicating three of harry's desires: Draco's scheme; Ginny; the Horcruxes. With those as your basic plot guideline you can easily use those to describe what happens inside the film without upsetting the story or the book. And also with this as your guideline you can't go wrong because these subplots ARE what the story is about (Relationships, sinsister schemes, Voldemort).
...(trail of thought)hmmm... actually, i just thought, there are four main subplots to this story; Relationships, Draco, Voldemort's past, AND The Half Blood Prince's book... ok, so thats just one more thing. So. I think we've got this movie pretty much wrapped up for the directors already: i mean with the relationships as a catagory you could include Harry/Ginny, Lavender/Ron(Hermione/Ron) and Tonks/Lupin; with Draco you've got The Room of Requirement, odd disappearances/sinister movements, Snape and Sectumsempra; Voldemort's past involves, well, HIS PAST, including each of the seven horcruxes, Dumbledore's lessons (of course), the cave scene and the fighting sequences; and finally, the whole deal with the Half Blood Prince's book shall center around Snape (in the end), Harry's succession in Potions, as well as the Slughorn introduction; not only that but the two catagories of the book and Horcruxes meet with each other because of Slughorn's connection with them both.
Overall, the film ought to be about Harry and his way of juggling between 4 different scenarios, each of which he's got to decide what holds most importance. And perhaps the lesson for him in the end would be to understand that his efforts should pay towards finding the Horcruxes and not towards Draco or the Half-Blood Prince because they are what is not important compared to a war that is happening, and, also, that particular struggle for Harry is what concludes to the final film where he finally has to decide which is his destiny: the Horcruxes..."SPOILER!"... or the Hallows.

Rupert Grint confirmed his relationship with Lavender Brown is in the script and also the whole cast did a read-through of the script which might mean...Lavender Brown is already cast! Click here to see the interview

Lupin has just been confimed!..Tonks has been confirmed for awhile now.. I think the Tonks/Lupin relationship will stay because that's about the only reason they are in HBP..
*Tonks Saves Harry and is depressed because of Lupin
*Lupin talks at the end about the relationship
If they keep in that relationship...I think they will keep in Bill/Fleurs because those too are at an equal level of importance!

I'm thinking that they might show two (there has to be at least two if they show it because Gnny and Dean will have to break up). But it's not all that significant accept for the process of Harry and Ginny getting together. They could show a scene where Ginny and Dean are together and Harry is obviously jealous and then Ginny and Dean breaking up.

But they have to show Ginny and Hrrys first kiss, cuz if they don't the next film mght not make sense.

The break up is important to, but i do hope they make it clear that it's G/H & Hr/R. Cuz for all of you who know the ending to DH it's really important!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it will be soooo romantic and a little funny considering everyone's reaction to Harry and Ginny!!!!

I've been wondering about the many relationships in HBP.
Do you think they will include the Bill/Fleur, Harry/Ginny, Ron/Lavender, Ginny/Dean, somewhat Ron/Hermione, Lupin/Tonks, etc. relationships?
I have a feeling David Yates won't include all of them because there is more important stuff in the movie...
But tell me what you think!

I think they'll include some Ginny/Dean snogging, jealous Harry, and a Dean/Ginny breakup scene. Maybe a couple snogging scenes. But I think they'll not show a whole lot of snogging between Harry and Ginny, because there wasn't a whole lot in the book. But, you never know with movies. I think they need to do a good job with the H/G breakup scene, too.

Ah, love is in the air! I think they'll include the Dean/Ginny, Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione ones for sure. Probably with a couple of scenes each. But, they'll probably include Bill/Fleur and Tonks/Lupin just at the end, maybe even just see them holding hands, or something. I do agree that the relationships won't be the main focus, which is good, because there is so much more going on! But, I think that a little love and comic relief will be good , since this is kind of a serious book/movie.

I hope that HBP isn't focused too much on relationships, because it has a lot of other things it needs to worry about (plot-wise) to include. I think what some people want is completly different from the book. They want this whole huge, Harry and Ginny love filled, tear stopping romance, which didn't happen in the book. Harry's 'chest' monster roared, they hooked up after Quidditch, she joked about his tatoo, they broke up. Simple as that, and not so glorious if you ask me. So if they are going to include the H/G relationship, they better at least portray it as what it is, and not add things that weren't there.

And all those people who say that Ginny's character needs to be developed more in the movies.. well, her character wasn't developed in the books, so why should it be in the movies? It's a bit hypocritical because you want the book to be as much like the movie as possible, and yet when it comes to things like Ginny, who didn't have a lot of book time, previous to HBP, you want to give her more? I just think thats a bit funny.

But staying back on topic, I don't really think that the Ginny/Dean relationship will be portrayed too much if not at all, the movie doesn't that time for that. Personally, I would rather see Dumbledore's death for a little longer than a snog scene with Ginny and Dean.

Harry Potter is a story about the wizarding world.I think as Dominique said that it's not going to a film solely about relationships.That just wouldn't be very Harry Potter.That makes it seem like HBP will be more like a teen movie with"'who's going out with who' being more important than the whole plot of the story(horcruxes,DD's death,battle at end,the cave scene etc)



I believe Dean/Ginny will not be included because it would take too long to establish a relationship between them and then have them split up for Ginny to get together with Harry. There has been no foreshadowing/hints etc at D/G so why include it?It would just shock the viewers.They didn't inlcude Michael Corner etc in OOTP so why would they include D/G in HBP?

I think they will include all of the major relationships, such as Harry/Ginny, Ron/Lavender, they might do Ginny/Dean, and hopefully Lupin/Tonks. Actually, it would be a very good idea to do the Lupin/Tonks relationship. I don't know about Hermione/McClaggen, that was a little disturbing, almost as bad and Lav Lav and Won Won. They might do it just to show Hermione's jealousy. One thing that I'm afraid they will do in this movie is focus way too much on relationships and cut out a lot of the pensieve scenes. I do think some relationship stuff should be in it, but I don't want them to spend half the movie on it.

They will at least have to include one Ginny and Dean scene to show Harry realizing that Ginny is not a little girl anymore ( and Dean is gorgeous in the movies). They won't put too much in cause of the movie length. I will cry if they leave it out. When Harry is in the Room of Hidden Things I will probably scream in the theatre that the diadem is in there. "Its the horcrux, get it". lol

Oh, isn't it great?

*Non Lupin Fans: 'silence'*

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They should keep Bill and Fluer in this one. I hadn't realised earlier, but if they don't put anything about them in this movie, then they're really stuffed for the Deathly Hallows movie!

(So sick of typing 'spoiler')




There'd be an uprising if there was no "Ronione". I don't really care about them, but...come on! You'd be an idiot not to...


Well said. But I heard rumours that Yates was wavering between keeping and letting go of dear Cormac. [or, dearly uninteresting, more like]. Same with Rufus. Point being, we might be seeing a different way of showing Hermy's jealousy in action.

And whether we'll see harry/ginny? Duh...remember that longing look Ginny had in OotP?

They may mention the relationship with Dean to get the jealousy thing about Harry in there, or they may take that out and just go to Harry noticing her. I noticed in OOTP that they never mention Ginny dating anyone at the end of the movie, even though it is an issue for Ron at the end of the book. I know they concentrated more on Harry and his issues then any of his relationships, so it maybe that they will just go right into him taking notice of Ginny, and not have anything about her dating other people. They may drop in that boys are noticing Ginny, just in a conversation somewhere, but I don't know. I think something will have to happen for Harry to notice her as someone other then Ron's sister.

I'm not alone when I say that in HBP, Ginny came across as a "good times" girl. I think that Rowling was trying so hard to bring Ginny out front and center in HBP, from having been in the background for so long as a secondary character in the previous 5 books. This is partly why I feel that Rowling placed Ginny back into the background in DH. Because the Ginny that we came to know in HBP came across rather strong.

Let's face it, if it wasn't for Harry constantly pining away for her in DH, we would not have read much about her at all. She played a small part in the beginning of DH, while at the Burrow when she tried to give herself to Harry as a birthday gift (did I say she was a good times girl?), and then later on in the book in the fight against Bellatrix. Oh, and then 19 years later in the crapilogue epilogue. But once again, she was relegated into a secondary character in DH.

(I wonder if the boys bathroom walls at Hogwarts had graffiti that read:

"For a good time, owl Ginny Weasley" ?

Who here noticed that H/Hr Shippers want H/G to be cut down dramaticly, and H/G Shippers want it to be a main plotline?

Seriously, I think that H/G isn't the most important plotline in HBP, but it IS important, because of certain things that happen in the last movie. If they cut it down, people would be confused at the end of the last movie.

I'm beginning to think that people will not necessarily be confused when they see the final film. Even though H/G was not build up in OotP, the HBP movie will focus, some at least, on Harry's infatuation with her. This way the public will say, "Yeah, I figured Harry would get together with that little red-haired girl, Jenny is it?". This and the fact that they will build up R/Hr - at least one would think - so that the public realizes Hermione is not going to end up with Harry.

I still say that H/G isn't going to be a huge part of the last two films. A glance from Ginny to Harry here and there - must be that blazing look Rowling wrote about in HBP - will ease the relationship into play.

I seriously doubt that the H/G relationship will be the main plot line of the last two films, as H/G shippers would like. However, it will not be ignored entirely either. It can't be. After all, this is what Rowling wanted - OBHWF! And, she will see that it ends up that way.