The mysterious light inside the deluminator led Ron back to Harry and Hermione. What was it?

It reminded me of the Sirius Black's soul in the movie Prisoner of Azkaban when it came out almost being sucked by the Dementors.

So I thought maybe its Dumbledore's soul. Meanning that the thing's a Horcrux. Meanning that Dumbledore should still be alive but just doesn't have a body. Which might explain the mysterious King's Cross thing that happened.

The explanation I have is that the soul from the body which didn't die went into Harry's mind to help him.

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It couldnt. hteres only one way to split your soul and thats to kill. We learned that He didnt even kill Grindewald. So I think that it might look inside your soul and see what you truly want and show it to you and we saw at the end of Kings Cross that harry was trully dead but had the choice to come back because his blood was in Voldemort.

i'm quite sure dumbledore of all people would not have a horcrux.
he who didnt even fear death, just as if it was the next great adventure.

plus if it was his soul in the deluminator how would that explain the kings cross section at all?
the fact that the kings cross part even took place shows me that dumbledores soul moved "On".
and anyway JKR said that he'd Dead. as in never coming back. aside from the picture. but thats not really coming back now is it.

i too was very confused about the light from the deluminator. it doesn't really make sense compared with the known function of it. but if it was DD's soul i guess it could make sense, especially in light of what he said ron in his will.


ahhhhhh but he DID fear death! why do you think he was searching for the hallows? remember DD posed the question to harry "am i as bad as voldemort?" referring to his desire to cheat death. i think it's possible (however unlikely) the DD did have a horcrux. and i believe that the events that occurred with his sister could have torn his soul.

true he did fear death to some degree. but i don't think he feared it as much as voldemort did.
and definitely not enough to use such dark magic to stay alive. and how would, hypothetically, dumbledores soul if it was in the deluminator, how would it be able to make ron able to use it to apparate to his friends?

ok so forget about the light being DD's soul or horcrux or whatever. what is it?

when scrimgeour was giving the deluminator to ron he called it "unique". i was rather confused by this. is it really such an amazing piece of magic to turn lights on and off? doesn't sound very impressive to me. but then of course there is the events that led ron back to his friends.

from memory i think it was someone said his name, he then heard them through the deluminator. would that happen every time someone says your name?? (its like spying on people talking about you). when he turned the lights off another light appeared that acted as a guide to take him where his name had been used. what does the guide have to do with the light switch? it doesn't seem to add up.

and it's second function seems oddly reminiscent of the death eaters mark. just push your arm and LV instantly knows who did it and where they are.

while i was also confsed about how the light in the deluminator lead ron back to harry and hermione do not think it would be dumbledores soul. as for the theory about it being a horcrux i think tht is nearly impossible seeing as thought dumbledore who had never feared death i cant see any reason why he would think of creating one

Well, Scrigamore (sp) said that DD probably made/created it himself. The Deluminator first appears in SS/PS. I think it has always been able to do that with the name, the voices, and then the blue light.

Remember in SS/PS when Harry tells Hermione and Ron to send an owl to DD after Harry has gone after the Stone? When they reach the entrance hall, DD comes bursting in making the comment about Harry already having gone after the Stone. In the hospital wing afterwards, he tells Harry that he realized that the place he was needed most was not the place he was going, but the place he had just left. I had always tried to figure out how DD knew Harry had gone after the Stone at that particular moment and he needed to return.

So, what if when Harry told them to send an owl to DD, the Deluminator did just like it did for Ron. Because of saying his name, DD was able to hear their voices and know what was going on and the "blue light" led him back. Although he wouldn't really need the "blue light" to lead him because he already knew they were at Hogwarts.

Also, when Harry was in the Chamber of Secrets and was standing up to Tom praising DD, maybe Harry mentioning DD's name activated the Deluminator. Either DD heard their voices from it and sent Fawkes or the Delumintor was in DD's office, Fawkes heard the voices, and responded accordingly.

The Deluminator could explain a lot about how DD seemed to know everything that goes on. Everytime someone says his name, he hears the conversation the people are having therefore knows what is going on or will happen. We always wondered how DD knew everything. Maybe now we know.

And do you remember in OotP at Harry's trial, when Dumbledore turns up three hours early by a "happy coincidence"? (I don't remember the exact wording, but it's something along those lines.) Could the Ministry officials organising the change of time have mentioned Dumbledore's name, therefore alerting him via the Deluminator? It would make sense quite neatly, I think...

By the way, first post! Hi everyone

i seriously think we have struck gold here. i'm going to have to reread the entire series now. when i read what you said littlered771 about SS/PS it set off massive alarm bells in my head. i don't know why i didn't pick that up straight away. there's probably a hundred scenes that would make so much more sense now. no wonder DD appeared so omniscient.

This is very possible considering Voldemort used the same method to track members of the Order when they said his name.

I don't even believe this theory, but there are facts to support it---

First off, Dumbledore DID kill. And he DID have an obsession with everlasting life--it was made obvious to us with the Deathly Hallows, but also with the Sorcerer's Stone. Wasn't Flamel his "partner," after all?

Point is, DD could have created Horcruxes if he wanted to. But he didn't want to because he knew the cost. He was, at times in his life, intrested in immortality. But that's why, during those times, he searched for the "nicer" routes....the Hallows, the Stone.... does that make sense???

bethdd3, I'm a little confused by your post. How do we know DD has killed someone. Who do you think he killed? It wasn't Grindelwald because LV killed him in DH. Who else was ever mentioned that DD could have killed?

I'm not saying that you are wrong. I'm just curious what your info is in case I overlooked something.

I agree that I don't think DD would make a horcrux even if he had killed someone. I doubt the Deluminator is a horcrux either way because if it had been, DD wouldn't be dead. But we know for a fact that DD is dead so it can't be a horcrux. So I can't see DD's soul being in the Deluminator. The "blue light" had to be some spell creation of DD's he invented years ago. Anyone interested can read my earlier post for my thoughts on this.

LittleRed: Didn't Harry say something along the lines of, "Even those you didn't mean to kill?" I don't know which book cuz I've been jumping--maybe someone can help me find the exact line??

I don't think he's killed anyone specific to the plot. (Who killed the 50 dead in Hogwarts, y'know?) He just did what he had to do.

There are some very good points there! I too have always wondered throughout the series the secret to how Dumbledore always seems to know where Harry is in certain situations as you said. It's very likely that you're right about this. It all fits!

As for the deluminator being a horcrux I highly doubt it. Seriously. The only person that I can think of that Dumbledore could have killed was his sister Ariana which would have been by accident anyway.

for me the deluminator is just one great invention by Dumbledore.

I mean Voldy got a s imilar thing where if anyone use his name, he would know... this is similar thing except it is out of love than attempt to destroy.

YES! Your post says exactly what I was thinking. I completely believe in that theory how the Deluminator was some sort of device that DD used to know what was happening (that had to do with him) anytime, any where. It seems to parallel what Voldemort did by putting the..what did Ron call it? Taboo? Or whatever it was, on his own name.

I think the purpose of the Deluminator would more likely be this theory rather than the Horcrux one, that just doesn't seem so Dumbledore-like. Also, if Dumbledore had a horcrux then how did he died in the first place?

Like Harry said, Dumbledore might have known that Ron would get mad at Harry and Hermione and leave but he would want to come back. The Deluminator I think was just a light that showed Ron where to go, it was just a guide, not part of Dumbledore's soul.