I join i m a great fan of the Marauder excluding Wormtail the traitor and specially prongs and padfoot are my biggest favorites

Just to add on more to my last post,- I don't think James was actually truely in love with Lily in his 5th year. I just think that he liked her a lot and wanted to go out with her- maybe he was a bit possesive?
I think that he actually was head over heels with Lily in their seventh year, and maybe it was then that Lily realised he wasn't kidding around anymore

I think lily even considered James after she and severus stopped being even friends it was when lily and severus wasn't friends that Lily even considered someone else

Wow! The poor marauders fan club is dying a slow and painful death!

Does anyone have any new marauder-interest topics that they'd like to discuss? Or has the marauder fanclub outlived its time?

Well, it seems I dropped in just in time! This is quite sad indeed, how long has it been since any discussion has gone on in here? Over two months?! That's just not right, what would our dear marauders think about this? Now, where did that hat go anyways? *searches around and finds it all dusty, neglected, and alone under a desk* We'll just have to stick this in the washer and see what I can pull out of it.

Dum de dum! Spin cycle! Lol, this is probably all wasted on you guys since unless Pix or luckyfish come back I don't think the rest of you'll know who I am or what hat I'm referring to

*drum roll* And the hat says we should talk about which marauder you would have saved and why. No, not which marauder is your favorite, which one you think deserved to live, would have been the most help, etc. And explain your reasoning please.

Who wants to start? *crickets* Ok, me it is! Even though Sirius is one of my favorite characters, I wouldn't save him if I could only save one because I think it was indeed necessary that he died at the time. Harry needed to lose him in order to have the courage to branch out on his own and do what he needed to do.

James isn't the one I would save either. Although I guess saving him would have changed the course of Harry Potter history, thinking about all that hurts my brain! But if he never died it could have been much, much worse because Peter could have found out some seriously valuable information being so close to the good side that he could have got his hands on if he hadn't had to disappear and no one found out he was bad. It could have meant a win for Voldemort.

Of course I would not save Peter, although he did do his redemption bit at the end, for obvious reasons.

Lupin would be the one I would save! I thought his death was incredibly unfair and unexplained, at least the others got to die like a hero. I'm not buying what Jo said about wanting to end the series like it started, with an orphan. He was so kind and prejudiced against, it was his turn to be appreciated and feel like a hero. I bet after the battle he would have no problem getting a job and he would have had Teddy and Tonks...it just wasn't fair. I heard a lot of people talk about how it would be unfair for Harry to die because he deserved some peace of mind after all the suffering, but did Lupin not deserve the same thing?

Feel free to change the topic, I just wanted to say something!

<3 Chels

*Strolls in because of a familiar "face" on the scene.* Hey Girl! *gives a big hearty wave* Oh wait, you might not recognize me with my new name... it was LittleRed7771. I had it changed to Insomnia just because I felt it was time for a change and I liked it more. Long time no see! I had wondered where you went off to. Glad to see you're back! Oh, and I remember the Hat, too. Poor neglected thing. At least it washes up quite nicely. Hee hee.

And the hat says we should talk about which marauder you would have saved and why.

I completely 100% agree with you. Lupin would be my #1 choice for saving. Of all the Marauders, he had the hardest hand dealt to him in life. It wasn't self-inflicted like Peter (he's just spineless and turned his friends over to LV). Even though Sirius had a difficult home-life, he was able to enjoy himself and live. James just had it good all the way around.

But poor Lupin had his "furry little problem" to deal with which was in no way his fault. And the persecution he received at the hands of others was unjust. He was classified into the stereotypical werewolf instead of people taking the time to get to know him during his "problem free" times of the month. If they had, people would have realized what a great guy he was. However, people didn't do that so he suffered unfairly for an infliction he didn't want and couldn't get rid of.

Just when he finally had a life he could enjoy and be happy about, it was taken away from him. Just when he could have risen above and be seen as a hero and not the beast people took him for for being a werewolf, he was killed.

Lupin is definitely the one I'd keep safe without a doubt.

Heeeyyyy gals/guys! This feels like an old reunion or something! I cannot BELIEVE this thread was going to shut down! Thank you thank you thank you HP_RULES! for keeping it going!
Oh and Isomnia, I totally knew it was you even when you changed the name!

And the hat says we should talk about which marauder you would have saved and why.

Well, I agree with you guys, definetly Lupin. He was the smartest one, the most down to earth, and a great fighter till the end! He would've greatly helped the Order and his "furry little problem" would come in handy, if..you know...they were fighting in the full moon. He was like the secret weapon!

But Sirius was one of my FAVORITE characters, he was fun but could be serious (haha get it?) when he wanted too, and he was an all and all great godfather to Harry. So although I'd save Lupin, I'd feel terrible about it.

<3 Rachel

Oh my! No! Don't shut this thread down! I love the Marauders!

Thanks to HP_RULES! and Laura for resurrecting it!

And the hat says we should talk about which marauder you would have saved and why.

There's actually no point in bringing up another Marauder than Remus. I would L-O-V-E to bring Sirius back, he not only would have been of great help because of his wit and cleverness during the final battle, but he was too impulsive (which isn't always a good trait) and as you guys pointed it out, it was of great help for Harry's personal growth to lose him.

Remus (whose death I still think was totally unjustified, but that's off topic...) would have helped Harry out in his path to self discovery, he could have seen his son grow, and would have been able to provide Harry with lots of information from his parents. Like HP_RULES! said, the magical world after the final battle would probably hold less discrimination towards werewolves and not only he would have got a better life than before, but he would have been able to help out Andromeda and his new family.


Now everyone, let's keep this thread alive!

Okay, since we are attempting to resurrect this thread, how about another question to keep things moving in a positive direction.

What do you think was the most influential thing the Marauders, or Marauder, did that had an impact on Harry, either in a positive or negative way?

Great question Laura! You're definitely great at doing this!

What do you think was the most influential thing the Marauders, or Marauder, did that had an impact on Harry, either in a positive or negative way?

Wow, each of the Marauders had an unique influence on Harry, but I'll have to say that probably Peter was the one who had the biggest influence on him *stop throwing things at me!*

I say so, because at first, during PoA, he put Harry's mercy to the test, and he was kind enough as to not kill him or allow Sirius to do so. I believe that later on, Harry even regretted not ending his life at the moment, and even allowing a huge hate towards him grow inside of him for what he did to his parents. We all saw the results of Harry's mercy pay off in DH, but the rage that Harry had to live with since the end of his third year helped him build his character. He learned what people are capable of doing because of a friend, and to what lengths people's actions can take them, so even if he's not our favorite Marauder, I'll say that he had the biggest influence on Harry.

So, for me, the most influential thing Peter did was asking Harry for mercy, and even though Harry didn't fully understand the consequence of allowing him to live, it was a thing that defined him for the rest of his life.

What do you think was the most influential thing the Marauders, or Marauder, did that had an impact on Harry, either in a positive or negative way?

Alright, hear me out. Although I love Sirius to death, I do think he probably had the most negative impact on Harry during the series. Sirius was unpredictable and took a lot of risks that could have ended up harming a lot people. Harry already had his own hero-complex and to add Sirius' arrogance and devil-may-care attitude was a recipe for disaster.

Sirius was much more interested in staying friends with Harry than doing anything that might have made Harry see Sirius as an authority figure. I think that Sirius thought that James and Harry were so much alike that in the end, one probably became a substitute for the lack of another. Harry was the closest person Sirius had to his best friend and as I said before, he treated Harry as a friend rather than a godson. Harry in turn treated Sirius as a friend who, in the case of OOTP, needed to be rescued instead of an adult who could probably take care of himself.

Of course Sirius did have many positive influences on Harry, mainly that they were able to empathize with each other's situations and that Sirius was a source of information about Harry's parents. However, I think overall that his influence ended up being more of a negative than a positive aspect in Harry's life. Harry ended up with a lot of heartache and guilt over the entire Department of Mysteries debacle. I'm not saying that had Sirius acted more adult-like with Harry that none of the events of OOTP would have happened, but Harry might have learned to stop and think before acting without losing someone he cared for in the process.

Haha, I definitely knew it was you too! The yo-yoing dog is kind of a dead give away! Thanks for keeping the thread alive guys, haha, I always was awful at making up questions! Brillant question by the way, I love it! Oh, and I missed you and am glad someone is back to understand my hat ranting! Woo! I can seem less insane now!

What do you think was the most influential thing the Marauders, or Marauder, did that had an impact on Harry, either in a positive or negative way?
Well, as I do think you guys all have good points, I think that them all...please don't beat me...dying had the biggest impact on Harry (I know, I'm taking the easy, requires no true thought way out). And...once again, please refrain from the violence...I think it was a positive impact on Harry to a certain degree. Ah! *runs and hides while rotting vegetables are thrown my way* Goodness people, hear me out!

Ok, Lupin first. I think Lupin's death was kind of a final straw for Harry where he was able to detatch himself emotionally from the war and do what he had to do. Then after he died, it was because himself, James, and Sirius came back that Harry was able to face Voldemort. And yes, while it may seem that only had a positive impact on the wizarding world and not Harry, Harry really couldn't be happy until Voldemort was destroyed.

Peter's death is next. I believe his death may have had the smallest impact, but I believe that Peter taught Harry a good lesson. Despite all the horrid deeds he committed, in the end he tried to redeem himself and that was probably some of what inspired Harry at the end to try and get Voldemort to redeem himself. At least he saw it was possible. *shrugs*

James, well, his death started it all...enough said I think.

Sirius' death I think influenced Harry the most and in the best way. As much as I love and adore him, I think Sirius was Harry's fall back, which he needed to lose to end it all. Plus, you know, lets just say I wouldn't want my kids to learn the difference between right and wrong from him (and NO, I don't have kids...I'm 17 people ).

I hope that made at least an itsy bitsy bit of sense because I lost my point somewhere along the way! Happy discussing!

Yes, I guess the yo-yoing dog IS kind-of a dead give-away.

Excellent answers so far!! Definitely some things I hadn't thought of before.

What do you think was the most influential thing the Marauders, or Marauder, did that had an impact on Harry, either in a positive or negative way?

*Ten minutes later* Wow, I'm having a hard time answering my own question. I can't seem to pin-point one single event. It's a mixture of several things equally that I think ended up influencing him the most.

First, Lupin in PoA. Lupin took Harry under his wing and taught him the Patronus Charm to ward of dementors. Also, even though he was always in ragged clothes, Lupin always seemed to have a smile on his face and a positive attitude. That must have set some example to Harry.

And then Lupin and Sirius' reunion in the Shrieking Shake. When Sirius explained what happened and Lupin trusted and believed him, Harry witnessed the power of friendship and trust. I'm sure it was Lupin's response that made Harry do a complete 180 towards Sirius to where he ended up loving him as a godfather willing to live with him.

Sirius' death really put things into perspective for him and strengthened his determination to finish off LV.

And then I think Snape's worst memory of Harry's father and Sirius tormenting him really opened Harry's eyes, too. He saw that even the best of people can have a, I don't want to say "bad", maybe a bully side to them. People aren't always as perfect as you imagine them to be. Even those you hold dear to your heart can have a side of them you don't know. (Maybe James' "other side" was the set-up for DD's secret side. Hmmm...) Anyway, I think it showed him that things aren't always black and white. There are varying shades of grey, too.

These are both really good topics guys and I'm sorry that I'm late in answering both of them...

And the hat says we should talk about which marauder you would have saved and why.
I too woul dhave saved Lupin. I really didn't expect him to die and I was really disapointed with his death and the lack of respect that JKR gave to it. I think the others needed to die- James, obviously for storyline, Sirius for character development and Peter for redemption. But Remus' death was so.... blah. It wasn't necessary. There was nothing that the story or Harry's character got out of him being dead. Even the scene with the 'semi-death' really didn't need him. It could have done just as well with Sirius, James and Lily.


What do you think was the most influential thing the Marauders, or Marauder, did that had an impact on Harry, either in a positive or negative way?

I think that Peter had the most influence on Harry as well- so don't throw things at me either

Peter gave Harry: The truth. In so many ways. We learnt so much about Harry's history because of Peter. Harry believed that Sirius- his father's best friend- betrayed his parents and it was his awareness of Peter and Peter's confession that connected him with Sirius. The entire story of his parents death, the relationship between the marauders, their relationship even with Snape, the insight into Sirius etc etc all came out because of Peter and that to Harry was vital to his development.

What do you think was the most influential thing the Marauders, or Marauder, did that had an impact on Harry, either in a positive or negative way?

Wow! I can't believe I have never posted in this thread...I find that quite amazing!

Okay so I am just going to jump right in and say that I think the most influential thing the Marauders did collectively that had an impact on Harry was the example of friendship and loyalty they showed him. The Marauders certainly stuck together and stuck up for one another and in this gave Harry a great example of friendship. When Peter was disloyal, the remaining Marauders came together to "make it right". This was 12 years later and still the death of one of their own was not forgotten. They proved to Harry that friendship...true friendship is stronger then death.

For the other question...which Marauder would I save...would it be wrong to want to save Peter? Hear me out before tossing me out on my bum. I would want Peter to have lived simply to live out the rest of his life as a miserable coward. I would have given him a reprieve in the hopes that he would have changed but I don't think he would have. Every time he saw Harry in Diagon Alley or Hogsmeade; everytime he saw James' grandchildren, I would want him to feel the gall rise in his stomach with the knowledge that it was his cowardice that deprived one of his closest friends from his son and family.

No worries! Better late than never.

Amanda! I find it hard to believe that you've never posted in this thread before. Well, same goes for you...better late than never!

Okay, seems we've done pretty well at covering the bases for the positive influences the Marauders had on Harry. All excellent points, by the way. I see no reason to throw anything at anyone.

How about the one thing that possibly had the most damaging effect on Harry (other than James' death).

I believe Annabelle Peyton was the only one to mention a negative impact previously. If I missed someone else, I sincerely apologize.

YOu know at first thought I was going to say that letting Peter Pettigrew go had the most damaging affect on Harry because it was through his cowardice that the Dark Lord rose again. But...we all know the life debt thing so that can't be it. The same thing for Pettigrew using Harry's blood...although this is where it gets a little confusing for me in the last book.

I agree that Sirius' death was probably the most influential in a negative way but can I suggest something? What about losing Lupin as a teacher? I'm reading PoA again and it seems to me that Lupin and Harry share a special sort of bond, different from the bond he has with Sirius. Lupin was a teacher. Harry actually learned from this man, not only magical defense but he learned about his parents. His mother's compassion and his fathers recklessness. Lupin and Sirius saw Harry differently. Sirius saw James in him while Lupin saw Lily. I think losing that connection was extremely hard on him.

How about the one thing that possibly had the most damaging effect on Harry (other than James' death).

Well since it can't be James' death i would have to say it would have to be living with the Dursley's for so long.Yes he had what i suppose you can call food and "shelter" but he had a horrible life living there.Harry had to sleep in a broom cupboard till he was 11 and was always being bullied by the whole "family".

Okay, I have another question. If Hermione was the brains, Harry the leader, and Ron the glue that binded them together, what were the roles of each Marauder in their group?

Hmm...
-James: He's the leader. The boss. Most important guy, you know.
-Sirius: You could call him "Vice-James" Basically, second-in-command. Keeps an eye on James sometimes ("Put that away, will you, before Wormtail wets himself?" - Sirius, OotP)
-Remus: Serves the same purpose as Hermione
-Peter: What are the functions of rats?

If Hermione was the brains, Harry the leader, and Ron the glue that binded them together, what were the roles of each Marauder in their group?

Well, I think we would all agree that Remus was the brains behind Marauders. I can never think of a function for Peter other than "the pity friend." So that leaves James and Sirius... I find it difficult to confine them to one role. That being said, I find myself leaning towards Sirius as the leader of the Marauders over James. It was Sirius who had the idea to have Snape and werewolf-Lupin meet and James was the one who stopped it from happening. Also, long after James had been killed, Remus and Sirius banded together to enact their revenge on Peter. Therefore, I'm more inclined to say that James was the glue that held the operation together, Sirius was the leader, and Remus was the brains behind it all.

How about the one thing that possibly had the most damaging effect on Harry (other than James' death).

Amanda's points are definitely interesting and way deep... There's nothing arguable about them, but I think of Harry in a somehow different way. I believe he probably thought of things that way after the final battle, with a different and more mature perspective, but not during the course of events.

During them, I have to say that the most damaging effect on Harry of an act from a Marauder was finding out that Peter and before him, Sirius (even though it wasn't true), were capable of betraying a beloved friend. The possibility of a best friend betraying another gave him a totally different look at things, and I think that it made him think of new possibilities and become someone less capable of trusting others, and then on, develop a certain amount of events, like his distrust of Dumbledore when Rita Skeeter's book came out in DH (even if he already knew from his own personal experience that the woman was a liar). It was very easy since PoA for him to not trust his most loyal friends when they were showing a little bit of humanity.


If Hermione was the brains, Harry the leader, and Ron the glue that binded them together, what were the roles of each Marauder in their group?

Well, it has been acknowledged before that none of the Marauders were dumb, and even Remus said that James and Sirius were very very smart, as smart as to master how to become Animagi and then help out their less smart friend Peter.

I don't really think that there is a difference between James and Sirius in leadership. Madam Rosmerta said that the two of them were inseparable, and I believe that Remus was extremely smart, but didn't really come up with new ways of mischief making, I think that those were all James' and Sirius' production and he simply followed and controlled the damage or contribute to it. Peter merely followed and yes, pity friend is a good term to it!

If Hermione was the brains, Harry the leader, and Ron the glue that binded them together, what were the roles of each Marauder in their group?

Well seeing as james,sirius,and remus are the smartest they're all in a way hermione but it would mainly have to be remus just because he shows his smarts more than the other 3 do. As for the leader James and Sirius both share a bit of that but it would mainly go to James,James is a Harry.Sirius would have to be what keeps the whole group together so he's a Ron.As for Peter,i really don't see him as anything other than a follower,he's not very smart,he definetly doesn't lead and he doesn't keep them together

Wow, this thread has died back down again. We can't let that happen! Long live the Marauders! I think it is time for another question.

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?

What do you think would have happened if they never managed to become an animagus?

What do you think would have happened if James had not been there the day LV attacked and so had not died?

Such interesting topics Insomnia!

What do you think would have happened if they never managed to become an animagus?

I think Remus would have eventually pushed them away if they had not became animagi. Most of the people he has ever met have shunned him once they found out he was a werewolf, so he had never had the experience of people caring enough about him to look past his werewolf state. By becoming animagi, the other Marauders showed Remus that they accepted him despite the fact he was a werewolf and were willing to go out of their way to show it.

What do you think would have happened if James had not been there the day LV attacked and so had not died?

Wow, that really would have changed the story line quite a bit! For starters, not only would Harry have still had his mother's protection, he would have also had James, Remus, and Sirius's. Peter would have been in Azkaban for his duplicity since there were people alive who knew that he had been the Potter's secret keeper. Harry would not have had to live with the Dursleys either. Gosh, there'd be quite a few differences in the series...

I think his personality would be drastically different as well. Living with the Dursleys, Harry never found out about his "celebrity" until he went to Hogwarts. That made him much more humble than I think he would have been growing up knowing how famous he was. I can't imagine James and Sirius not being proud of this and perhaps letting it get to Harry's head. And I don't know if it's possible, but he could hate Snape more than he already does in the series.

Harry also wouldn't have been as ignorant about the wizarding world since he never would have lived with the Dursleys. Harry's lack of knowledge about magic, especially magical creatures, often ended up being quite helpful to him if for the only reason he didn't know any better but than to treat them as he would anyone else. Dobby, Kreacher, and the centaurs all ended up helping him in the end because Harry treated them well. I don't know if this would have happened had James survived. Harry might have taken these creatures for granted and overlooked them as most wizards do.

There also would not have been the parallel between Harry and LV there is in the story if Harry had not became an orphan. JKR made sure the convey how similar the two actually were throughout the series and how it was their choices that made them different. Perhaps if Harry had not had so much in common with LV, his choices would have been different.

Hmmm, that was a bit long-winded, sorry!

~I don;t know...I mean Peter was a Marauder for a reason right? I mean, although James, Sirius and Remus merely tolorated his presence, they did allow him to grow together with them and that means there friendship too. In a way I do think that Peter gave the Marauders a reason to unite. They knew there was a traitor and although they didn't have a clue who that was, they all united against whoever it may be. After James was killed and Sirius found to be innocent, Remus and Sirius united against Peter and Voldemort again. Peter was a smart wizard he just chose not to flaunt his intellect. He was, well, "wormy" about it.

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?
~I would choose to be Sirius. I love the way he was reckless and passionate about what he believed. I think that for Sirius to stand up in the face of direct opposition to the beliefs of his family was admirable. I found his unwavering loyalty something that I wished Ron had a little more of. Not that Ron wasn't loyal, but he let his jealousy get in the way a couple of times. He let his doubt get in the way too. Sirius never did. What do you think would have happened if they never managed to become an animagus?~I like this question. I honestly think that the Marauders Map wouldn't have been developed. I also think that because they were all able to transform, it strengthened their friendship in a way that I don't think possible if they had been seperated for that one night a month.

What do you think would have happened if James had not been there the day LV attacked and so had not died?
~I there are quite a few possibilities here. I think one possibility is to still have Harry live with the Dursley's and activate his mother's protection and have his father go into hiding. I don't like this option because I don't see James willingly going into hiding and leaving his son. I like the thought of Harry being brought up by his father and getting to know Sirius because he wouldn't be in Azkaban. I do think that Peter would have escaped either way though. I think he still would have transformed into a rat though he wouldn't have had to frame Sirius because Sirius wouldn't have gone to look for him, he would have been with James comforting him and taking care of Harry.
The last option I though of was that Bellatrix was still zealous for her presumed dead master and probably would have finished what he started. I think it is entirely plausible that Bellatrix would have got to James. This scenerio has two possibilities. First, James is on his own and Bella kills him. Second, James and Harry are together and Bella kills James and then tries to kill Harry and has a Killing Curse backfire upon her. Without horcruxes, Bella is as good as gone.

How come I've never realised there is a thread about the Marauders? *feels guilty*
uhm yeah so I'm joining you, if you don't mind

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?
Maybe it is because I like him the most but I'd like to be Remus although I don't think that I am 100% like him. I am also rather a bookworm and more responsible than others most of the time I also have a very loud and outgoing side. I guess I am a mix of Sirius and Remus in a way. I suppose I have the humour of Sirius as he tends to be very sarcastic at times ( and I tend to be sarcastic and in the worst case even cynical).

What do you think would have happened if they never managed to become an animagus
Poor Remus would have bored himself to death. Probably Hogwarts wouldn't have been such a funny place then. Of course they would have been still very good friends but I think the animagus thing was really an important happening within their friendship. It was like the thing that made them friends forever, not just school friends.

What do you think would have happened if James had not been there the day LV attacked and so had not died?
Beside the fact that I don't really see how that could have happened, I think that James would have been too much of a strength for Harry to survive. LV would have found other ways to kill him when he returned. But Harry would have grown up much better and well maybe he would be a completley different person.

If Hermione was the brains, Harry the leader, and Ron the glue that binded them together, what were the roles of each Marauder in their group?
James was the leader, Remus the brain, Sirius the glue and Peter something like the baby of the group. I think in a way they really cared for him in the first place and looked after him as he as so insecure. I think that's another point that made them stick together because without them Peter would have been bullied most probably.

I haven't been on the forums in so long!!!! Time to start back up lol

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?

I would either be James or Sirius. Either would be fine with me, as they were both brave and loyal and such, but I would also like to be Lupin because he was the only one with enough character (at the time) to feel any qualms about torturing Snape and breaking the rules. The other two were reckless and fun-loving, as was Lupin, he was just more cautious and planned about it. But Lupin had that whole werewolf thing going against him, so thats a big negative.

What do you think would have happened if they never managed to become an animagus?

That would have changed the entire series dramatically. For starters, I agree with others who have said that the four marauders would most likely never have grown as close as they were. It's possible that they never would have even joined the original Order of the Phoenix. I doubt Peter would have been close enough to James to betray him to Voldemort, and when Sirius cornered him he would not have been able to fake his death by transforming into a rat, thus Sirius would never have been imprisoned, so Harry probably wouldn't have lived with the Dursleys, and...wow. Everything would be different!

What do you think would have happened if James had not been there the day LV attacked and so had not died?

He and Lily would probably have gone into hiding and taken Harry with them...would they have been able to guess that Peter was the betrayer? If so I would bet they would have asked Dumbledore for greater protection, and possibly the whole encounter could have been avoided all together. Maybe LV would have gone after Neville instead!

Truth be told, I wouldn't want to put myself in any of the Marauder's shoes... I would rather be myself on the side-lines and become a fifth Marauder if that were possible...


I believe that James would have become overly protective of Harry, in other words James would be a mother hen Such as in Schnickledooger's stories: A Very Harry Grocery Scenario & A Very Harry Awkward Date Scenario.

Wow, kind of quiet in here lately....

What do you think the Marauders greatest flaw was? Collectively speaking of course? What do you think was their greatest achievement?

I am going to say that I think one of their greatest flaws was to bully others. I immediately think of Severus Snape and the whole scene with his underpants. They just did it for kicks you know and while Remus didn't do anything actively agaisnt Severus he just stood by as a prefect and let his buddies bully him publicly. Wormtail was a weasel and egged on his friends. I think they could have used there popularity and intelligence in a more constructive outlet.

There greatest achievement no doubt has to be the Marauders Map! By being the rule breakers they seemed destined to be, they were able to discover secrets to Hogwarts and further their own education without assistance. They left an imprint upon Hogwarts. Flitwick would call that just good magic.

Of the three "good" Marauders who do you think had the greatest potential to turn to the Dark Lord and become a Death Eater?

Here are a couple of new questions to get things going in here again. I look forward to reading everyone's posts.

Hey Amanda! Glad to see you in here. Yes, I've been neglecting certain threads lately. Just busy, busy, busy with finals and all. So glad that's over! Yay to being a college grad...after so many years. On to your question!

Of the three "good" Marauders who do you think had the greatest potential to turn to the Dark Lord and become a Death Eater?

I'd have to say that Sirius would have the best potential at turning to the "dark side". He comes from a long line of Slytherins, so it's in his blood and heritage. He was brought up with it constantly in his face.

Not to mention, he seemed to be the most reckless. Well, I guess you could say that he and James were pretty close in that category. But I think James' attitude was meant to impress the girls more, especially Lily, than Sirius' attitude. Sirius didn't seem to be as concerned about how the ladies looked at him and oogled over him. He just did the things he did and acted the way he did for himself.

Of the three "good" Marauders who do you think had the greatest potential to turn to the Dark Lord and become a Death Eater?

~I see your point about Sirius but in my mind the arguement you gave is exactly the reason he would never become a Death Eater. I mean being immersed in your parents ideas for years would certainly have made him sick of it right?
I think that Remus was the most vulnerable. I think he had nothing going for him. He was poor and afflicted and the Dark Lord would have used those disadvantaged to his advantage. He would have made promises to Lupin and of course once he was in, never followed through. Remus would have been left disillusioned and disgusted with himself for falling for Voldemort's empty promises.

I was thinking the same thing as I was typing my original reply. A lot of times, when you have things like that thrown in your face unwillingly, it tends to make you recoil from it so much more increasing the determination to stay away from the source. So, I agree with you on that point. I just can't see the other two having a weakness to fall to LV.

I understand your point about Lupin. Someone having lived a life like him being shunned by society can cause the best person to turn down the darker path. It can cause a lot of bitterness and resentment to the point of wanting retaliation against society. So, I can see his vulnerability. But, I think DD's compassion to Lupin in fixing things at Hogwarts so he would be allowed to attend school was his anchor to the good side. It showed him that not everyone will treat him with contempt and fear. Plus, when Lupin was actually able to find friends, friends who knew his secret, and they didn't recoil from him, it just strengthened his hold on humanity from ever wanting to stray to LV. If DD hadn't given Lupin the chance, I believe he would have fallen prey to LV.

Of the three "good" Marauders who do you think had the greatest potential to turn to the Dark Lord and become a Death Eater?


That one is very hard. I don't think any of them had potential to do that. It couldn't be Sirius because he wanted to the opposite of his family and go against the Dark Lord,so he wouldn't become a Death Eater. Lupin wouldn't be it because Lord Voldemort was the one who sent a werewolf to get him,making him a werewolf.That's one thing he can't stand so not Lupin. Lastley it's not James because well it just isn't. He couldn't stand Lord Voldemort.But if I HAD to choose i guess it would be James because i just can't find a good enough reason of why he wouldn't become a Death Eater...sorry?

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?

Probably, Moony.. He is the most calm of all of them. Padfoot was a bit careless, Prongs, a bit pampered and Wormtail, well, you would like to betray friends? Moony, is the most composed one and besides his own condition helped a lot to fight against Voldy. So, ya, Moony.


What do you think would have happened if they never managed to become an animagus?

Well, it would be very difficult to sneek into shrinking shack.. But, then they were the maraunders... so, we cannot say they didnt find any other way.. but then, which way they would have prefered, no idea..

What do you think would have happened if James had not been there the day LV attacked and so had not died?

Well, it would have made Harry's life a much better. He wouldnt have to go to Dursleys and would know more about the wizarding world.. James would raise his son so that he could learn to fight Voldy. (On a funny note:Not to mention teach Harry a million of tricks to sneek out of Hogwards, and to harass Flinch)


Of the three "good" Marauders who do you think had the greatest potential to turn to the Dark Lord and become a Death Eater?

Noone.. Prongs: He would never turn to the Dark side, he hated Dark Arts.

Padfoot: As someone said earlier, he intended to be excatly opposite to his family. He was, as pure-bloods would say, 'A Traitor'.. So, no chance he could turn out to be Death Eater.

Moony: Though, he had been bitten by Grayback and had a lot of trauma in his life and was dispised by lot of pepole, I dont think in order to live a happy life, he would turn on to the Dark side.. He would rather die.

But, if I have to give a name, I would totally agree with, gissgon... James, is quite pampered.. he would be like Dudley, you know who too was pampered and wonted to rule everyone. James had the weakness to have power and to show-off things, just to impress, Lily..

Heeeeyyyyy, I'm back! Sorry it took me so long but I too have been busy with school ( ), BUT, I am now officially a high school graduate...well, as of tomorrow! And congrats on the college graduation! Wow! Much, much more impressive then my news, but I'm excited nonetheless!

Of the three "good" Marauders who do you think had the greatest potential to turn to the Dark Lord and become a Death Eater?
Hmmmm, that's a hard question. I get what you guys are saying about James and Sirius, but I think I'm going to have to go with Lupin on this one. Of course I don't think he ever would, but I think he was most vulnerable.

Sirius did have the family pressure like you guys said, but I agree that it only made it less likely he would do it. He was so set against all of it, I couldn't see it ever happening! James I think had a good, positive, stay on the light side of life kind of family and, with Sirius as his best friend on top of it all, I don't think he would have considered it either. Voldemort couldn't offer him anything he didn't have like he could with Remus.

Voldemort could have offered Remus protection from werewolf discrimination and promised him a better life. And of course he would have been with his own kind and he wouldn't have to go through so much pain trying to prevent his change and everything. He had the most to gain from joining the bad side, and I agree that if DD hadn't helped him he may have decided to do just that.

Congrats on your graduation, HP_RULES!! You ought to be excited. That's a major step in a person's life. But trust me, it won't really sink in completely until next school year starts and you won't be joining them.

Okay, since we are on the Lupin discussion, I thought of something else. The books talk about how Greyback liked to change children the best. So, there must have been lots of kids besides Lupin who grew up with the werewolf condition, but from what we can tell, he was the only one ever allowed to go to Hogwarts. DD went out of his way to make it happen. My question is, with DD's uncanny ability to know certain future courses, do you think he brought Lupin to Hogwarts because he knew the part he would eventually play against LV (or with LV if DD didn't give him the chance)? And if not, what was it about Lupin that put him above other werewolf kids to be allowed the chance to attend Hogwarts?

some of those kids parents would be ashamed and not let their kids go... it was astonishing that lupin was let in by DD
other kids might have died or been totally were wolf???

maybe DD just saw that he had a mind against the DA as he had been bitten and was determined to fight the DA hence becomes teacher
i tneresting question im going to be checking back to see what others say

with DD's uncanny ability to know certain future courses, do you think he brought Lupin to Hogwarts because he knew the part he would eventually play against LV (or with LV if DD didn't give him the chance)? And if not, what was it about Lupin that put him above other werewolf kids to be allowed the chance to attend Hogwarts?

I cannot think that Dumbledore allowed Remus to join Hogwards because he thought he would be helpfull against Voldemort or even out of the fear that Lupin would join forces with Voldemort

He allowed Lupin into Hogwards only because he always wanted to help students to develop their abilities through Hogwards. He wanted Lupin to lead a normal life like others and should feel that he is the part of the magical wordl as the others.. Moreover,he allowed Lupin because he hoped Lupin would not turn into an aggresive werewolf as others and would try to control himself and not bite others.

With DD's uncanny ability to know certain future courses, do you think he brought Lupin to Hogwarts because he knew the part he would eventually play against LV (or with LV if DD didn't give him the chance)? And if not, what was it about Lupin that put him above other werewolf kids to be allowed the chance to attend Hogwarts?

I kind of agree with Radcliffefreek...I'm not entirely sure if DD had actually had the foresight to see that far ahead. He had no idea of knowing how Lupin would turn out! (Remember Tom Riddle...he knew he was "special" but had no way of knowing what he would become) Maybe somewhere in the back of his mind he thought it would be a good idea to have a werewolf on the side against Voldemort, and he hoped having Lupin in an environment like Hogwarts would steer him towards good.

But then again DD was just a very good man. It could be that he was just trying to give Lupin a shot at a normal life, being with friends and learning magic. Do you think he let him in, saw him grow close to the other three marauders and hoped his conscience would rub off on them a little? Maybe he knew his family from way back? Or saw something in him that made him stand out?

Good question!

It might be possible that DD knew Lupin's parents.. and maybe, The Lupins would have consulted DD and that's how DD arranged for Remus to go to the shreinking shack every full-moon...

on the other hand, I agree with Aguamenti353, DD might have known the pranks of the maraunders but would have ignored them and knowingly, allowed the other three to tranform and go into the shack with Remus, so that Remus would feel no different from the others... or as you put..hoped his conscience would rub off on them a little...

I cant see that DD saw somethin in REmus and took him into Hogwards, remember DD always said, 'Help will always be giving to those who wanted it in Hogwards' soo, the Lupins would have wanted to teach Remus like normal kids and so DD admitted him to help them and not because he saw something in Remus.

Let's give this a whirl, shall we?

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?

I would be Remus because he is more quiet than James and Sirius, but he still loves a good prank every now and then. He's serious about schoolwork but he knows when to lay back and relax. I think I'm already like him because I can joke around with the best of them, but I still get pretty decent grades. James is a good choice but he puts himself out there so much, I'm not like that at all, I'd be so uncomfortable. Sirius isn't quite there for me either because he's so much like James. (Besides, I love Remus, he's such a good man).

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?

I'd probably be the new girl on the block,my name is Enchanting Spokesgoblin, I am part witch my mother, veela my grandmother on my father's side, and goblin my father! I have the body of a normal witch; hour glass figure, very long jet black hair, piercing Emerald Green eyes, flawless and very tanned skin, on my left upper thigh I have a birthmark of a very dignified cross, I possess the powers of the veela, and the only part of the goblin from my father I obtained is that of which I can speak goblin.

What do you guys think?

I would have to go with Sirius. Funny, a trouble maker, but a good friend, and a good man really, although Lupin wouldn't be bad. I can kind of imagine him to be the glue of the group really, whilst James and Sirius are the ringleaders, without Lupin it could all go wrong.
At some point everyone was discussing why Lupin wasn't with Harry at the end of DH amongst his parents and Sirius, I need to reread my copy again but I'm pretty sure Harry didn't know that Remus and Tonks were dead at that point, which could explain why he wasn't with them. Harry didn't know to bring him back.

Sirius'xSweetheart, to be honest I see Hermione the same way in the friendship with Harry and Ron. To be honest I think without Hermione holding them together being the most logical one....Harry and Ron would have probably fallen apart long ago each trying to out do the other. Whooa! So sorry, just thought I'd put that in there. LOL!

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?

I think I would be Lupin.He is quieter than the others and to me he seems to be the logical one,like Hermione. He is also very calm and collected I really like that about him.And he is the kind of person you can trust with your secrets and go for advice.So I think hes very cool!

i would wanna be sirius, just because i love his personality, and he just shows the world that just because your parents are messed up, it doesn't mean you are

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?

Well, I definately wouldn't want to have to go through the painful transformation of being a werewolf. I also would NOT like to be wormtail.

So that leaves us with James and Sirius. They are about equal to me. But it would be cooler to turn into a dog than a stag. So probably Sirius for me too. Sirius is just light hearted and funny.

okay, i came up with this question:
How do you think that Marauder's Map ended up in Flich's office?

i personally think they put it in there, and labeled it highly dangerous, for the future trouble-makers, like a test. and to make sure the map didn't get into the hands of a prat

what do you guys think?

If you could be a Marauder, which one would you be and why?


For me it would either be James or Sirus...but I think I narrowed it down to one. I'd rather be Siruis because he transforms into a dog. We know all four marauders turn into animals and I think the safest animal out of them all would be a dog.

Although the stag is absolutely beautiful and elegant in it's movements it's more likely to be hunted than a dog...so scratch that one.

Wormtail...ummm no. I wouldn't want to be a rat and a snitch!

And as FollowTheSpiders has said, it would be painful to turn into a werewolf. Not to mention the fact that Lupin can kill his best friends and not know it until he transforms back to himself. What a burden that would be to carry.

So my choice would be Sirus for sure. He has a great disposition for a dog. Sirius is his own person, he's not influenced by others including his family. He does what's right even if it puts his own life at risk. Courageous, loyal and friendly. A true Gryffindor and a true dog.


How do you think that Marauder's Map ended up in Flich's office?

I have no idea..this is a great question. They might have put it there themselves knowing that Filch is a Squibb and couldn't read the map even if he tried. Or they could have chosen a lower class man that had their same mischievous ways and just passed it down. In which case the person got caught and Filch took the map. Or maybe one of the Marauders lost the map and Filch found it. Unlikely...but possible. Who knows...but it's fun to think of the possibilities.

Dawn

How do you think that Marauder's Map ended up in Flich's office?

Well with Filch being the sneaky squib he his...along with his side kick Mrs. Norris...he prolly snuck around waiting to catch one of the Maurader's in action and when he caught them he took the map not realizing it was a map.