pottermania001
Aug 3 2007, 01:31 PM
Gringotts is one of the most protected places in the wizardry world beside Hogwarts but in Harry's first year someone broke in using dark magic and for all who read Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Harry Ron and Hermione broke in with the help of griphook to the Lestranges' vault to take the Hufflepuff cup my questions:
Can we call Gringotts a safe place after 3 teenagers broke in even without the help of grophook another wizard could use the Imperius curse?
How did the goblins become in the head of this great bank?
If the goblins have their freedom now after being for years under control of the wizards , what if the house-elves do the same thing?
Your thoughts are welcome
trtrzgunners
Aug 3 2007, 01:49 PM
QUOTE(pottermania001 @ Aug 3 2007, 08:31 PM) [snapback]427103[/snapback]
Gringotts is one of the most protected places in the wizardry world beside Hogwarts but in Harry's first year someone broke in using dark magic and for all who read Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Harry Ron and Hermione broke in with the help of griphook to the Lestranges' vault to take the Hufflepuff cup my questions:
Can we call Gringotts a safe place after 3 teenagers broke in even without the help of grophook another wizard could use the Imperius curse?
How did the goblins become in the head of this great bank?
If the goblins have their freedom now after being for years under control of the wizards , what if the house-elves do the same thing?
Your thoughts are welcome
well 3 teenagers contained:
-the boy who lived
-Smartest girl in Hogwart
-Group of three people, that break into Dumbledore's gaurding place when they were 11
-2 of them help a convict out of death sentence
-3 of whom who break into ministry and fight death eaters
-break into ministry without being seen when they were convicted themselves
-survive from death eaters grip
and at that point Griphook is an outcast and is willing to help Harry Potter.
pottermania001
Aug 3 2007, 02:10 PM
I know they're really powerful and smart and still young so they don't fear anything but it's easy for another wizard to do what they did a lot of great things like members of the order any powerful wizard could break in so why do we call it a safe place if the dragons supposed to protect treasures help thiefs to get out
trtrzgunners
Aug 3 2007, 03:03 PM
QUOTE(pottermania001 @ Aug 3 2007, 09:10 PM) [snapback]427135[/snapback]
I know they're really powerful and smart and still young so they don't fear anything but it's easy for another wizard to do what they did a lot of great things like members of the order any powerful wizard could break in so why do we call it a safe place if the dragons supposed to protect treasures help thiefs to get out
Mostly i think they can break in because Griphook knows the details of whow to do. And i think without Griphook telling them about the dragon or how goblin has to touch the handle, they won't be able to get in.
Most of the work in this case is probably the fact that griphook knows what to do, and in normal time a goblin won't betray to the treasure, but this is war.
pottermania001
Aug 3 2007, 03:08 PM
and what if a wizard uses the imperius curse on a goblin then the goblin will obey and tell all gringotts secrets and what about house-elves what if they make a revolution too and we know they have great power wandless
trtrzgunners
Aug 3 2007, 03:17 PM
QUOTE(pottermania001 @ Aug 3 2007, 10:08 PM) [snapback]427171[/snapback]
and what if a wizard uses the imperius curse on a goblin then the goblin will obey and tell all gringotts secrets and what about house-elves what if they make a revolution too and we know they have great power wandless
You can't use imperius curse to know the secrets, but you can use legimency and veritaserum. I would say it is possible, but you gotta be lucky too. I mean if they know how to get in, they would already know there is an intruder, and there is low chance for you to attempt to ride a dragon and break through.
House-elves i think got some kind of habit to do what they already while goblin is smart and want to fight with the wand-handlers. House-elves are more calm and happy at where they are in my opinion.
Tarquin the Proud
Aug 4 2007, 03:15 AM
Goblins through out their history have sought additional powers. They are as clever as many wizards, and cleverer in many cases. They control the world of wizarding currency and can produce very powerful weapons. Therefore, it can be seen as no surprise that they strongly dislike being classified as a second class citizen and are not allowed to carry wands. House elves, by contrast have no interest in freedom or power. They are fiercely loyal to their master, as seen by Kreacher and Regulus/Harry, and Winky and Mr. Crouch. They only desire to serve their master.
As to how Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Griphook could sucessfully break into Gringotts, it cannot be forgotten that the trio broke thru Dumbledore's enchantments guarding the Philospher's Stone. Add that with everything else they have gotten thru in their 6 years of Hogwarts and the fact that they have Griphook as a guide and as a source of inside information and there is no way they could go wrong.
At any rate, I am glad that Griphook wormed his way into the Book again. Se gap lai nhe.
pottermania001
Aug 4 2007, 11:30 AM
what if a goblin finds a wand on the ground and he tkae it what would happen will he be more powerful and if they want to pass to the first class from wandless to wandcarrier or wandhandler can't they steal wands as we kbnow they have big magic powers even though they haven't wands they could use it and get wands is the wizard kind threatened
trtrzgunners
Aug 4 2007, 01:39 PM
QUOTE(pottermania001 @ Aug 4 2007, 06:30 PM) [snapback]428215[/snapback]
what if a goblin finds a wand on the ground and he tkae it what would happen will he be more powerful and if they want to pass to the first class from wandless to wandcarrier or wandhandler can't they steal wands as we kbnow they have big magic powers even though they haven't wands they could use it and get wands is the wizard kind threatened
i assumed they can used it, but also depend on whether they win it from someone or not. Because i think Dobby stole Narcissa wand and did something with it in Malfoy Manor.
Or maybe there magic is different and probably won't be able to use the wands to the potential that wizards and witches do
pottermania001
Aug 4 2007, 03:39 PM
beside wizard who do wa know are wand handlers or wand warriers why wizards keep this privilege for themselves are they the weakest or are they scared from ather magical creatures or are they that selfish or do bthey wanna keep this honor to carry a wand just for human beings
tonks&lunalvr
Sep 15 2007, 04:00 AM
It's just a prejudice. Wizards see themselves, to quote a man that was once in power, "the Master race"
I think that the Trio managed to get many lucky breaks to get into Gringotts as sucessfully as they did.
They got past the Goblins to begin with by impersonating DE
They got down by Imperiusing a goblin, and not getting caught.
They got into the vault because they had won the alliegence of a goblin who KNEW the secrets of Gringotts,
They managed to ride the dragon safely out, the only real way out there, becuase Harry had been in the tri wizard tournament, and knew how to handle dragons.
I don't think without the luck they had, and the enourmous amount of skill between the three of them, that it would have worked.
17ginny17
Dec 23 2007, 06:52 PM
I think Gringotts is safe. No one else has such a good cause, plus the favorable circumstances, plus a willing goblin, plus 3 extremely talented and exceptional witches and wizards. But security will undoubtedly be tightened.
MISIA
Dec 24 2007, 02:57 AM
and...i don't think gringotts was as protected as it was before. in the first ook they were moderatley-happy with wizards and what=not and the whole community was good...but voldemort killed goblins too so i doubt they were as happy and caring as before...does that make sense?
and harry ron and hermione can hardly be used as a standard...they do just about whatever they want and get away with it

and the house elf thing, goblins have more of an opionion and a sense of self than house-elfs...i men goblins worked for people but they weren't happy about it and they knew that they shouldn't be doing it...house-elfs just do whatever they'r told hapily...except dobby
Pendulum
Aug 9 2009, 10:32 PM
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You can't use imperius curse to know the secrets, but you can use legimency and veritaserum.
Sorry i just picked up on this and would like to point out that it's incorrect. When Harry is in the graveyard, Voldemort attempts to make him say that he doesn't want any more pain. On this occassion Harry manages to resist the curse and avoid saying something out of his will. However, what this does prove is that if an Imperius Curse is used successfully you could, in theory, tell the victim to talk about something. When the Imperius Curse is described in GoF it is described as:giving the victim an overpowering urge to do the thing asked - if the victim cannot resist the urge, then they will do what they are asked - which in theory could be to reveal Gringotts' secrets.
However, I doubt you would be able to waltz into Gringotts and Imperius a goblin. Goblins have strong magic of their own, and the other goblins wouldn't exactly be pleased seeing one of their number being put under the Imperius Curse. It would be pretty difficult thing to do. Sorry to go off topic there just something I picked up on (:
lancelot243
Aug 10 2009, 02:07 AM
Well as for a goblin just finding a wand on the ground and using it; i dont think it works like that. Goblins cant cast spells and such like wizards, they are powerful magical creatures when it comes to making weapons such as gryffindors sword, but they cant cast spells the same way. Yes if a goblin picked up a wand and started cursing people he would be able to channel some sort of magic through his wand, but a goblin is much more dangerous with a sword or an axe than he would be with a wand.
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