Dogamort
Aug 6 2007, 12:04 AM
In this book we found out what defenses the locket had on it to protect from being destroyed. It burned Harry's flesh and made the wearer of it feel depressed. It showed Ron grotesque visions of his insecurities and almost posessed him.
But what powerful curses were on Ravenclaw's tiara and Hufflepuff's cup to prevent them from being destroyed? Well yeah the cup did replicate into several copies when touched to prevent it from being stolen while it was in the Gringotts vault. But other than that the book describes the horcrux cup "lying innocently in the grass".
Maybe Voldemort's overconfidence in that they wouldn't be discovered or stolen from their hiding places made him decide to not even bother putting powerful curses or enchantments on those two horcruxes.
I am, however, convinced that Voldemort must have put several enchantments on the horcruxes but we didn't find out what they were because they were destroyed pretty quickly after they were retrieved, unlike the locket.
I really hope JK Rowling answers this question. But I guess don't we all hope JKR answers our remaining questions!
What are your thoughts on this matter?
Tarquin the Proud
Aug 6 2007, 01:36 AM
Well, the locket was heavilly protected by the spells previously mentioned. The diary could come alive and possess people like Ginny. It also had a built in basilisk summoner of sorts. The ring of the Perevells had a curse on it. And Nagini was lethal enough thatt it needed no protective charm. Based upon this, I would have to assume taht Voldie would have put similar enchantments on all of his horcruxes. It would simply be good sense. But i don't suppose we will ever no for certain. Hopefully this helps anyway. Se gap lai nhe.
chrth
Aug 6 2007, 02:30 AM
Well, the cup and the diary were both given to Death Eaters to hide; Voldemort wouldn't have cursed them or anything as that would then affect the DE. I guess he supposed that hiding the items with them would be sufficient (and to be honest, Gringotts should have been).
Dumbledore tells us in book 6 that the Gaunt house had protections on it similar to the locket outside of the curse. I wonder if Dumbledore might've been a little exhausted dealing with the protections and that made him vulnerable to his desire to use the resurrection stone.
That leaves the Diadem (obviously we're ignoring Nagini). Similar to hiding the cup in Gringotts, Dumbledore probably supposed that 'I need somewhere to hide something' was enough of a protection. In addition, he wouldn't have much time to put down curses etc. as he was just paying Dumbledore a visit, and doing so might have revealed the diadem. So he had to make do with the Room of Requirement protection.
Moon(I luv you Luna)
Aug 6 2007, 03:15 AM
I believe that all of the horcruxes had curses on them, but like Hermione said-touching them wouldn't set them off. Though if you came acostumed to it (IE. The the way they all wore the locket), it'd get to you.
I think the reason that the diadem and the cup didn't have "curses" on them, is because, we didn't see Hermione stabbing the cup-who knows what it might have done? And the diadem-it was destroyed no where near the trio-in the fiendfre. So we didn't really see that one detroyed either.
I don't think Voldemort would take any chances when it came to cursing them, though he would think that no one could possibly know about them. I think if any had less protection, it'd be the snake, though that was silly, seeing as the snake was the most vunarable (sp?).
Silly Moldy-Voldy. He really underestimated Dumbledore and Harry, didn't he?
Dogamort
Aug 6 2007, 02:08 PM
Well I guess Harry and friends didn't really pour their soul into the cup or the tiara. I bet if somebody wore the tiara or drank from the cup they would do something. I guess the victim would have to grow close to either horcrux to activate its curse.
I was hoping Hermione might have been entranced by the tiara and put it on by mistake similar to Dumbledore and the ring. I could definitely see Hermione pouring her wisdom into the tiara while the tiara poured some of Voldy's wisdom into her, like the diary. That would be an interesting plot twist. A possessed Hermione who became very powerful and dangerous. The tiara would be seared into her head and she would have to fight it off mentally.
I'm not sure what the cup would have done. Perhaps it would make its victim drink some kind of toxin from it. Any ideas?
venakew
Aug 6 2007, 04:46 PM
well when we see into Voldemort's mind he considers the ring to be least well protected(despite the fact that that only Dumbledore would have a chance of knowing where his family lived and the fact that it was hidden under the floorboards AND if you put it on it cursed you) so he must have thought that gringotts wasvery well protected and for some ridiculous reason thought that only he knew about the room of requirement. He was also heavily banking on no-one being close enough to know him and that he didn't tell anyone about his Horcruxes.
Tarquin the Proud
Aug 7 2007, 01:35 AM
Well, if Voldy didn't put protective spells on the diadem simply because he believed that he alone knew about the Room of Requirement, then he deserved to have it destroyed and he deserved to fall at the height of his power. For a brilliant, evil genius and Dark Lord, Voldy could cook up the absolute stupidest ideas. Se gap lai nhe.
Insomniac
Aug 7 2007, 03:02 AM
Has anyone considered the part of Harry's soul belonging to Voldemort a harmless Horcrux? The paradoxical existence of Voldemort's soul in Harry's body most likely has something to do with its harmlessness, since Harry's main power and charmed blood would probably bottle up and neutralize it. The visions and fleeting bouts of anger Harry experienced due to his scar just seem almost innocuous to me.
blackfan
Aug 6 2007, 05:46 PM
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for some ridiculous reason thought that only he knew about the room of requirement.
No, I suspect Mouldy-vort knew that others knew about the room of requirement, how did he find out about it in the first place?
But considering that the room is different for each person: a much needed toilet in Philosopher's stone; a room with lots of bouncy cushions in OotP and a repair shop for the wardrobe in HBP, it is not inconceivable that Mouldy-vort thought that he was the only one
with the specific requirement for a particular room with the right sort of clutter in which to hide that particular objectIt would be perfectly possible that one person's idea of a hiding place is different from that from another person and this is what Mouldy-vort was banking on.
This could still be the case even though Harry had a bit of Mouldy-vort's soul inside him which means their mind patterns are similar. Ergo, only Mouldy-vort and harry could have been the only ones to enter the room in that particular guise, because Harry knew it subconciously.
Lord Voldemort
Aug 7 2007, 04:37 AM
Uhh, that's a tough one. Yeah, maybe Voldemort thought he had enough protection in Bellatrix Lestrange's vault, because of that waterfall in Gringott's? And he might not suspect people knowing about the Room of Requirement, so yeah.
reza_07
Aug 7 2007, 04:15 PM
Was it not obvious to Voldy that other people knew about the Room Of Requirement since it was full of junk other people hid there. Although you'd have to know what you're looking for in such a big room.
Mr. J
Aug 9 2007, 04:48 AM
All of the horcruxes were extremely well-protected, at least in Voldemort's mind.
The diary: It was designed to possess those who used it so that it couldn't be traced. And it almost killed Ginny.
The ring: It initiated necrosis on Dumbledore when he wore it, and it was well-hidden in the shack.
The locket: Hidden in that horrible potion in the cave and was enchanted to show visions.
The cup: Suitably well-hidden in Bellatrix's Gringotts vault with replicating and burning charms.
The diadem: Well, Voldemort thought he was the only one to know about the Room of Requirement and didn't think he needed to enchant the diadem.
The snake: Voldemort kept her with him most of the time and she was more than capable of protecting herself.
Sorry for the double-post. Riddle's assumption about nobody else having discovered the Room of Requirement is pretty perplexing, but it seems possible to me that in his own arrogance and egotism, the Room might have been empty when he entered it as that would be his ideal hiding place, and then the diadem might have turned up in the cluttered version of the Room later, just so that Harry could find it.. It's hard to explain. Hogwarts has countless unplumbed secrets. The Room of Requirement is one of the most interesting things in the whole series. We might never know the exact mechanics of how it works.
I really do wonder if the Fiendfyre damaged it beyond repair though...
Dogamort
Aug 9 2007, 01:11 PM
The diadem issued a faint scream as it broke apart in Harry's hands so I think it must have been enchanted. I wonder what is with that tar-like substance that leaked out of the tiara. I wonder if it is the same substance as the ink spurting out of the diary.
I wish there JK Rowling would have written more about Ron and Hermione going down to the Cos to destroy the cup. I wonder if that horcrux put up a fight like the locket. (How did they get out of the chamber without Fawkes?)
yecats
Aug 17 2007, 11:12 PM
I think the replicating and burning of Hufflepuffs cup was Gringotts defenses.
Perhaps, the lack of curses on the cup and tiara was to progress the book to the ending faster OR perhaps it was another case of Voldy getting careless.
seems to me - as Dumbledore says in book 6 - i think - Voldemort was awful blaise about the diary - His first horcrux?
So, first Voldemorts thinks that NOBODY knows what he did and secondly he made so many of them in his mind that it was probably too much trouble to curse the cup without letting Bellatrix in on the secret. and that was once of his biggest things - keeping it secret he didn't know anything about the ring, or the locket til he found out that the cup was stolen and then didn't believe it til he checked the gaunt house and the cave.
as for the tiara - not sure why Voldemort would think nobody knew about the ROR hiding place. It was decribed in book 6 _ when harry hides his potions book - and again right before the fiendfyre as - if i remember correctly - a gigantic almost carvernise room full of LOADS and LOADS of stuff. We know that Dumbledore and TRewlawny and some? of the house elves knew about it.
guess Voldemort never befriended the houseelves - they would have been ants under his shoes to voldemort.
Antioch
Jun 17 2008, 08:45 AM
my opinion is that cup was unprotected because voldemort belived that gringotts is the safest place on earth.no man has ever stole anything from it.(well except attempting to steal the Sorcerer's Stone which was done on voldemorts orders so he thought he's the only 1 powerful egnouh to enter gringotts by force)
mrs.harrypotter
Jun 17 2008, 02:05 PM
Does anybody think Dumbledor could of been saved from the curse of the ring if he put it on a chain and put the chain around his neck? The ring was meant to be put on a finger but some people were them around their necks. Could Dumbledor have done this and lived? I think if he did that then he might of been abe to live longer. The curse would jut be slower. He could of helped the trio destroy the horcruxes and he could of helped out in the war. Snape wouldn't of had to kill him and Voldie wouldn't suspect a thing.Draco might of failed in the task of killing Dumledor and that would mean Snape would have to kill him... Hmmmm Snape is in a really bad situation right now... hmmm maybe Dumbledor didn't want that...
True Gryffindor Girl
Jul 8 2008, 11:20 PM
I think that all the Horcruxes would have some sort of protective spell or enchantment on them because Voldemort, brilliant as he was, knew that if he just left them like that, it would be too easy to destroy them.
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