I was looking at the pic of Snape shielding Ron, Hermonie, and Harry... Does that strike anyone else as odd being that he spends most of his time trying to ruin their lives?
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Meg

Well, from Snape's behavior in Order of the Phoenix, we know that although he would surely help protect any Hogwarts student (be it Gryffindor or Slytherin); although he may not always want to.

Sirius Black, in Snape's opinion, is a fugitive that has been on the run and is endangering Hogwarts students. So, he would do all he could to protect them.

Doesn't seem all too weird to me:
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*nods* snape is probably trying to prove that hes not on the dark side

Think about the first book/movie he tries to saves Harry's life. Would childhood rivalry and grudges be enough to let someone be killed?

[color=red][/color] i dun think it weird its not weird at all he wants his order of merlin and he'll do anything to get it even if it means sheilding snot nose brats like pothead weasel and their little mudblood play toy. :twisted:

[color=orange][/color] i agree with you darkangelsnape and in the picture where harry is sheilding hermione the only reason is because thats his little lets just s bot but you all what i mean cuz cho isn't giving him anyso hes so desperate that hes goes to a mudblood

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I beg of you not to speak badly. And your word wasn't that bad, but IT'S STILL PROFANE! :evil:

Come people snapes not THAT evil!!!!!

I don't think it's exactly odd. As much as he dislikes them, he doesn't exactly want them dead, particularly when he could get into a lot of trouble for not preventing their deaths!

first of all, if I remember correctly.In the book.Snape got hits by Harry and he can't even walk to the castle...So I don't get it.As far as I can remember it's just in the movie.

Yea, Snape was guarding them of course from Lupin because he knew about Lupin transforming into a Werewolf. Remember in Snapes class, Snape was talking about how werewolfs go after the first person or thing they see, it could even be there best friends? He probably thought that Lupin would go after the Trio so he tried to protect them because its also his duty of the school to protect the children.

(( The part about Snape talking about the werewolfs part I forgot it could of been someone else, lol sorry *blonde moments* ))

I think this was what you guys were talking about, why Snape was Sheilding the Trio, right?
~Dakota

P.S. I love the movie Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban! lol

I think its foreshadowing!!!!!! ::cough for books 5 and 6 cough::

i also think it could be foreshadowing. but like everyone already said, he is a teacher and it is his job to protect his students no matter how much he hates them.

Yeah, but he still could have run and left them.. I really hope snape redeems himself with the kids even if at the end of the series it says something like


"as harry looked over at snape it was no longer the piercing glare he knew, he could have sworn he saw a smile."

i think that snape is good. he will redeem himself in harry's eyes

^definately.

i think that everyone will see him as a "good guy" when he does something for the order

yeah, maybe he'll do something good and get hit by a car.... just kidding...=P

It would be strange seeing Snape as an actual "good-guy"! :shock:

yeah, it wouldnt be the same. I dont think hes going to be excruciatingly nice to harry, i just think he'll be neutral.

He better be neutral.........

Then again, maybe snape will be happy if he finally gets the dada job?

i think he will still be mean to harry but he will be nicer (i am confused, i hope you arent)

lol, I think it'd be funny to see him trying to do all the things harry has done and make it out alive.

haha! i know! i think he would be able to but with great difficulty

I think Snape is going to keep treating Harry like he has been treating him. There have been a lot of things in the past that could have softened Snape up a bit, but they didn't.

[quote]I was looking at the pic of Snape shielding Ron, Hermonie, and Harry... Does that strike anyone else as odd being that he spends most of his time trying to ruin their lives?
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yeah, it is considering that snape in the fifth book and the fourth, but do remember that in the first book snape saved harry from quirrel. snapes behavior is alternative, so yeah.........

[quote]I think Snape is going to keep treating Harry like he has been treating him. There have been a lot of things in the past that could have softened Snape up a bit, but they didn't.[/quote]


yeah thats a really good point, i mean harry had to watch another student die, but snape was still being a prick.

Well we know from the first movie Snape doesn't hate him enough to let him die, so I wasn't suprised. Also, he was probably looking out for himself. It wouldn't look too great if he escaped and three of his students didn't.

A little off-topic, but I've always thought the reason Dumbledore trusts Snape so much will be important later in the books.

Snape is always one of those people that unintentionally or... intentionally just leaves a bad taste in your mouth (even though that sounds bad... ) but as much as I hate to admit it maybe he isn't such a bad person. I mean when he's teaching occulmency to Harry in OotP, JKR kind of gives you the impression that he's lead a pretty difficult life. And maybe he's kind of learned to keep that all in and of course with Harry being the son of someone he obviously didn't get along with when he was at Hogwarts, I'm sure he just wants to make life suck like The Marauders did for him. So to an extent I understand where he's coming from.

He also knows what Werewolves can do to people (My poor Moony) and although he can't do much by throwing himself in front of them I think he knows he has a responsibility if not an obligation as a teacher rather then friend to try and protect his students.

Or we could be the total pessimist and say that he didn't mean to but with being knocked out and all he had a muscle spasm and got thrown in front of them from the force of it.


That's my take on it, so maybe we should all be a leetle nicer to Snape... Just as long as he stays civil to my dear sweet Lupin *sniff*.

Haha

Raven

And I just noticed the other posts that reminded me of what I thought myself. I understand why Dumbledore would want a former Deatheater in the Order for, because of all the things he's done and been exposed to and the whole information thing. Even though that leads to another interesting point that they couldn't use Snape since he probably isn't in the good graces of any uber loyal Deatheaters, unless he begged and groveled... hmmm. But still it makes me wonder why Dumbledore would want him to teach at school and make him head of house of Slytherin no less.

I mean Dumbledore is a great guy and all but he doesn't strike me as some dimwitted old man! He would know that Snape was reformed wouuldn't he? So there just has to be a good explaination as to why Dumbledore let him in...

Which is why when I read the book and saw the movie I got so mad at Snape for questioning Dumbldore's descion to hire Lupin! I mean I was like, "Whoa dude, have you taken a look at yourself lately? The whole tattoo thingy? I mean c'mon, which is worse, Werewolf, or Deatheater? I just wanna know." So maybe now that someone trusts him to do the right thing, Snape does end up doing the right thing... Which might be a good shove in the right direction for Snape's character...

Urg, rambling... sorry!

Raven

Good point, good point. I think that Snape did have his reasons for suspecting Lupin of being in league of Sirius... reaons which he thought were confirmed at the end of the book, but he was knocked out when everything was explained fully, and entered the room late as well... so he never even got the chance to understand properly. Though I'm doubtful he wouldn't really listened if he did have the chance...Snape looked "beyond reason" according to the book after he revealed himself in the shack.

I'm sure that Dumbledore has his reasons for trusting everyone though... is it possible that he knows the outcome of everything that is going on? He trusts Snape, because he knows what will happen if he does? Perhaps, his job, is really just to ensure that what is meant to happen, happens? This could also explain why he rarely interferes. I mean, we get the idea that Dumbledore really knows everything that is going on in Hogwarts... and if this is true, then why would Dumbledore allow Quirrell and Crouch in as teachers? Possibly because he knows that if he doesn't, things won't turn out as they're supposed to. Because Harry won't have experience enough to defeat Voldemort when the time comes.

A lot of the time, it *is* like Dumbledore knows about everything that's going on around him. Is it possible that he's lived it before??

Sorry if this doesn't make any sense.

I myself thought Dumbledore was all knowing, I don't know why but it always seems like he talks to Harry like already knows what's going on. "With a twinkle in his eye and a smile on his face" sort of thing... I also wondered that myself about how he could be this great wizard and didn't know that Voldemort was in the school or anything like that... It just didn't make sense, but your explaination takes care of that.

Which leads us back to Snape, maybe Dumbledore sees something in him, a genuine change that makes us all see that Snape really is or could be a good guy, even though he makes life suck for the trio... But that's my take on it!

Raven

I guess another good point is this... if Dumbledore didn't let Snape work for him, it's very unlikely that Snape would have quit working for Voldemort. I mean, if he left the DEs... odds are they would have killed him. Where's the sense in that really? Dumbledore knows that Snape was an extremely bright student, misguided and bitter perhaps but still very intelligent... why let him go to waste?

Though I don't believe thats why he took him in myself, its a good point nonetheless. I mean, why would he leave snape to just wander? At least if he was working at the school, Dumbledore would be able to oversee and guide him... and possibly give him a chance to get over his hated of James/Harry. Who knows?

VERY good points, Raven!! I totally agree with you!! Snape is definitely the type of person that leaves a bad taste in your mouth. But yeah I reckon he's not that bad of a person. And I'm pretty sure he's really turn over 100% from Voldemort, otherwise Dumbledore wouldn't have hired him. Snape's problem is he really can't let go of the past and his taking out a high school grudge on Harry.

Yeah I did find it extremely out of character of Snape to shield the kids in POA. He actually looked concerned and genuinely wanted to protect them. My explanation is that, yes he may have a bit of a personal vendetta towards Harry because of James, but ultimately he's a Hogwarts teacher and his responsibility is to protect the students.

JKR allowed that scene so maybe she wanted us to see that Snape really isn't all that bad. After all, he was trying to save Harry in the first book by performing the counter curse when Quirrel was trying to knock Harry off his broom. And he did respect Dumbledore enough to follow his orders and teach Harry Occlumency. And he did say in POA the book that he doesn't think Harry should be given special treatment just coz he's "the boy who lived". So I think even though he may be taking out a grudge on Harry, when it's within school matters, he tries to act professional. Does that make sense?

Severely snape, totally agree with you too!! I do think Dumbledore is all-knowing. Like you, I have this suspicion that he does know everything that goes on in Hogwarts and he's just there to kind of oversee things. And yeah, I'm sure he can see into the future. There have been hints here and there that suggests that. But he allows it to happen coz he knows that at the end of it, things will work out for the better. So he doesn't mess with fate but he's there to guide things down the right path.

Yeah I love Lupin too!! *high fives Raven*

With you bringing up Snape's countercurse with Quirrel, I'm wondering... Not only would Dumbledore know that Voldemort was there, but wouldn't Snape as well? I mean he still has the Dark Mark and if he knew that Quirrel was taken over by Voldemort... I mean wouldn't he TRY to warn anyone? Or was he just trying to be the... in what could be better words... The hero... I mean in SS when Harry's wandering around, Snape was basically threatening Quirrel... So it wasn't like he didn't know... I'm just wondering, I have so many thoughts points... and at times they're ALL contradicting! urrrg!

Yes Lovin' Lupin... I'm sorry, I am truly, deeply, in love with Lupin (to steal a line from Star Wars ) I don't know WHY I do, but I do... I do I do, maybe it's because he's just so sweet and needs someone to like him because of everyone's bias and *enter naughty word here* against his Lyncanthropy. And he's just so darn CUTE!

I'll shutenze UP.

Raven

OH YEAHHHH...good point there, Raven. I forgot that Snape would know if Voldemort was around because of the Dark Mark tattoo. Well we definitely know that he suspected Quirrel's loyalties were lying elsewhere.

This is what I think. Remember in GoF, Snape admitted that both he and Karkaroff noticed that their Dark Mark tattoo had been getting stronger as time went by? Well that was because Voldemort was slowly but surely getting stronger, with Wormtail helping him till he was strong enough at the end when Wormtail does that spell in the graveyard to bring him to full power. So maybe in the first movie, Snape didn't necessarily know Voldemort was around because Voldemort was still very weak, he had to parasite on others, which explains him on the back of Quirrel's head.

Does that make any sense?

I thought the whole him sheilding them thing was kinda cute. It shows the more caring side of Severus, although I'm not sure that kind of side of him exists. It was still a cute part.

Hahaha yeah. I thought it was just so out of character, but I think JKR allowed that scene to be done how it was, to show us that there *is* some heart in Snape and that when it comes to school, his first priority should and is to protect its students.

Snape was trying to protect the children because a werewolf is extremely dangerous - but Snape would've known that Harry couldn't have been killed and Harry is the most important one (not really my opinion though) I think it was just emphasising the danger of a werewolf and the fact that they could all be killed for the people who've read the books,

And then there's ALWAYS people like Kreacher who have to make it so simple while the rest of us are off trying to make sure this isn't some bigger meaning to all of Snape's doings.


Raven

I think simple so therefore I write simple. But with Snape actually shielding the kids In the way that he did it it was more I think for the benefit of the audience rather than the people like us who completely dissect the movie and inspect every angle!

I for one am one of those geeks who dissects! I have to find the... the... the philosophical meaning to Snape! hahaha, I'm BAAACCCCK! I've been gone for awhile if you hadn't noticed

Raven

Yeah I think most of you should know by now that I, too love to dissect, which tends to lead to awfully long rambling posts!!

I did notice you were away, Raven, welcome back!!

Someone noticed I was gone! I'm shocked! I'm happy... What're we talking about again? Oh right Snape... Yeah he's a goody two shoes now... All that yummy Lupiness must have rubbed off on him!

I think the cheesepuffs I just ate had something do with it!

I love Lupin. Snape is stupid!!!!!

Hehe agreed Kreacher, absolutely!! Go Lupin!!

Well I'm sure Snape wouldnt want them to die, he isnt that mean is he? 0_0