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erumpent_horn
In the chapter The Flaw in the Plan, when Voldemort wakes up and Narcissa Malfoy says harry is dead, Voldemort casts the Cruciatus curse and yet Harry doesnt feel anything. Why not? Is it because Voldemort didnt mean it because he thought harry was dead? Or is it something else? PLease give me your thoughts.
keith
For some reason when i read that in the book i got the feeling that the cruciatus only works on someone who's soul is damaged in some way.And so that after his soul was cleansed of Voldemort's soul,his own was perfectly pure and untarnished.That was just my thought.
belle_316
I think because Harry knew he was going to die and that he accepted it and didn't run away from it, that is why he couldn't feel it. Remember when Harry was facing Voldemort for the last duel and Harry said to him something like 'Don't you wonder that none of your curses aren't binding to anyone? This is because i sacrificed myself for them.' Because he sacrificed himself for the others, he couldn't feel the Cruciatus curse and Neville could break the Body Binding Curse Voldemort set upon him. I hope you understand my explanation. That's how i see it.
ali_kisskiss
im going with the person before me. they're totally right and that was what i was gonna say so im totally going with them. its like harry's mom's protection over him but he protected all of the people he loved and was dying for them.

GO HERMIONE!!! WOOOWOOO RAVENCLAW!!!! biggrin.gif thumbsup.gif
etphonehome
I also agree with belle_316, couldn't have out it any better myslef.

But there is also the fact that Voldemort used the Elder wand to perform this curse on Harry. Since Voldemort wasn't the master of the wand and Harry was, the wand wouldn't harm it's own master.
trtrzgunners
QUOTE(etphonehome @ Aug 15 2007, 05:02 PM) [snapback]434511[/snapback]

I also agree with belle_316, couldn't have out it any better myslef.

But there is also the fact that Voldemort used the Elder wand to perform this curse on Harry. Since Voldemort wasn't the master of the wand and Harry was, the wand wouldn't harm it's own master.


I think this is probably right, although i think the curse did work, but Harry got enough strength to show no pain, since he just thought he was dead, and he would probably think their is nothing worse than that.
chrth
To expand what Belle_316 said,

Harry committed the exact same sacrifice that Lily did, but he did it for everybody -- thus everybody was protected from Voldemort. Thus no pain from cruciatus, Neville could break the binding spell, and Voldemort's attempts to silence the crowd didn't work long. Harry had essentially hedged his bets; if he didn't survive the AK, at least Voldemort would be unable to hurt anyone ever again.
passerby
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But there is also the fact that Voldemort used the Elder wand to perform this curse on Harry. Since Voldemort wasn't the master of the wand and Harry was, the wand wouldn't harm it's own master.


This is the right answer. If you'll look a bit later in the chapter, we are given the answer.

QUOTE( DH 743-4)
The bang was like a cannon blast, and the golden flames that erupted between them, at the dead center of the circle they had been treading, marked the point where the spells collided. Harry saw Voldemort's green jet meet his own spell, saw the Elder Wand fly high, dark against the sunrise, spinning across the enchanted ceiling like the head of Nagini, spinning through the air toward the master it would not kill, who had come to take full possession of it at last.
(Emphasis mine)

Anyways. The blood protection was the thing that anchored Harry to life. The wand wouldn't kill its true master even then, and so went for the weaker of the two souls when the AK hit Harry. Harry's knowing sacrifice saved all those he sacrificed himself for, causing Voldemort's later spells to be weak against those he battled (and really helped Neville out from that hat!). I, however, am not sure that this would have served to provide the same protection for himself, since he fully expected to die. He wasn't sacrificing himself to save himself, you see.

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although i think the curse did work, but Harry got enough strength to show no pain
The book tells us:

QUOTE( DH 726-7)
Harry had been expecting it, knew his body would not be allowed to remain unsullied upon the forest floor; it must be subjected to humiliation to prove Voldemort's victory. He was lifted into the air, and it took all of his determination to remain limp, yet the pain he expected did not come. He was thrown once, twice, three times into the air: . . .
He did not feel the pain because it was not there.

But it was being the true master of the Elder wand, I believe, that knew its allegiance to Harry would not work to harm him with the Cruciatus curse. Because he was its true master, I don't think it would have worked against him at all on any curse Voldemort could have thrown at him.
tonks&lunalvr
I think it also made a difference that Harry had had Voldemort's soul burnt out of him as well. His soul was his own, and being the owner of the wand, there was nothing there to hurt. This is sort of confusing, I hope you get it.
Sir Cadogan
I agree that it was because Harry put his protection over everybody. Even if Harry died, Voldemort would end up dying, you know!

Eventually he would have to use Avada Kedavra on somebody, right? And once he did, the spell would rebound on him, and well, he had no more Horcruxes so he would have died!
TheShehanigan
Actually, the real reason he felt no harm was because the Elder Wand was used on it's master's which is, in a way, a impossible feat. The Elder Wand CANNOT hurt it's rightful master, and by thus Harry did not feel a thing.

And, if you must insist this theory is wrong, then do know the Avada Kedavra was pointed toward the Horcrux within Harry, and not to Harry per-se. When Harry was just that, Harry, the Elder Wand recognized fully it's master and could not harm him in any way. That is the difference to why Crucio did not work. while Avada Kedvara did. The other reason the wand stopped functioning is because the wand detected it's owner fully, so it would not do correct charms on any other wizarding hand (and it worked flawlessly before the destruction of the Horcrux) smile.gif
Taurice
i think its because the wand voldemort was using was harry's. in the end of the book voldemort tries to kill harry with that same wand and the spell backfires and it says in the book if i remeber correctly that "the wand was spinning in the air towards the master it would not kill," or somthing like that.
Name Unknown
I think that there are several reasons. It could be because of the elder wand. It could be because of Harry's sacrifice. It could be because of the fact that Voldemorts soul was no longer in Harry. It could also be that Harry was already retreating into his own mind, and didn't feel any pain in his body.
FireryPhoinex
Im not sure word for word but i belive it says that he gad been expecintg the pain so i think he was feeling the pain but i bet he was sort of numbed from being hit by the av so i dont think it hurt him as much. I just realized that there were problalby alot of people surving the killing curse that night becuase of the magical protection.
twiggysun
I think it has got to do something with the Elder wand... Harry now realises that the wand is his and accepts it as his own. This way the wand won't hurt him because it doesn't really do what Voldemort wants it to do... it's just a thought
DracosLady
I believe because Harry was willing to sacrifice himself to save the others is why he never felt a thing. He felt nothing but pure love for all of those closest to him and that is what protected him from Voldy's curse. Remember you have to "mean it" when you cast a spell such as this one, maybe Voldy was too confident in himself to really mean it whenever he was told Harry was dead.

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LupinFan88
I do think the Elder Wand was responsible for his lack of pain, but the spell did work in some aspects, since he was thrown around. It is possible, since he died to save his own soul, the protection that was provided over all of Hogwarts, may have in fact rebounded back on himself. Like Death rebounded off of love, Love rebounded off of Death. But thats just my theory.

Babysitting the cubs,

LupinFan88
Potterfan7
This is a really hard one to explain! I think that it must be because LV has no power over Harry anymore. No matter what LV did to any of Harry's friends did not work. His sacrifice had done everthing to protect him. The power LV knows not is the power to put others you love first before yourself. If LV would have understood his own words "he won't stand for his friends getting hurt and dying for him." He probably would have never attempted to hurt Harry.
Ima_LoOnYLoVeGoOd
I think it is a mixture of The elder wand not harming its master and Harry dieing to save everyone and himself. Firstly, the elder wans would not harm its master, so therefore, any curse that mite harm Harry wouldnt work would it? Some of the spell mite work, in this case he was thrown around, but the part that actually harms Harry wouldnt work. And when he died to save everyone it magically sealed everyone from LV's wrath devil.gif lol So, the elder wand wouldn't work proprely against its master AND Harry protected himself from it by dieing blink.gif does that make any sense? hopefully it does!! Maybe Harry's mom protection thing helped also, but it hasnt in the past (after LV put it inside of himself) so i dont know why it would work now wacko.gif oh well, just an idea...
synchro spell
personaly, i think he got the full power of the curse, and harry could really feel all sorts of pain. he just himself to not scream because he wanted everyone to think he was dead.
adicted!
i thought it was because the elder wand didnt belong to him he wasnt the true master, so therefore the wand wouldnt work properly for him right?!
The Writing on the Wall
My thoughts were thinking that Voldemort wasn't the true owner of the wand, so the wand wouldn't be very strong. It's like when Harry was using Hermione's wand, it wouldn't work very well and he couldn't do simple spells. That made sense to me! biggrin.gif cool.gif happy.gif smartass.gif woot.gif
EMILUBE37
I think it was because it was really Harry's wand, and if someone uses your own wand against you, it has little or no effect. Just a theory.

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Flutterbye
I'm Gonna go with what some of you have said and say it's because of the Elder Wand reconising it's true master and it didn't perform the spell to it's full potential, coz if u remember the same thing happend when Harry shouted "Expeliarmous" and Lord Voldemort shouted "Avada Kedavra" the killing curs didn't work because the wand wouldn't kill it's own master. So that's why it didn't work with the cruciatus curs, sure it worked coz harry was tossed about but he felt nothing.
Hannah of Beauxbatons
Come on, isn't it obvious. Harry made the ultimate sacrafice for the muggle and wizarding world, therefore protecting them from Voldermort, it's like the whole Lilly Scenario. Therefore harry Potter being part of the wizarding community would be unharmed by Lord Voldemort.
kiwi
this last comment from hannah is correct for example LV curses were not as powerful
and did not last as long. example LV body binding curse on Neville didnt last.
Harry was the master of death and had the protection of his sacrifice .
Ginevra Molly Weasley
I think that the fact that part of his soul was inside of Harry, and that part was destroyed, that sort of affected the whole thing. Plus, I would bet that Harry was feeling sort of numb right then when he woke up. And he probably didn't really care about causing pain when he cast it, so it didn't work. Remember in the fifth book, when Bellatrix says that you have to mean it for the curse to work? Voldemort thought Harry was dead, so he really didn't mean it.
Lee
QUOTE(etphonehome @ Aug 15 2007, 05:02 AM) [snapback]434511[/snapback]

I also agree with belle_316, couldn't have out it any better myslef.

But there is also the fact that Voldemort used the Elder wand to perform this curse on Harry. Since Voldemort wasn't the master of the wand and Harry was, the wand wouldn't harm it's own master.



I agree, to an extent. I do not think that the wand would work against its master...but, I also think there is more to it. Remember, Voldemort was having trouble casting spells on other people as well. If you remember in the last battle, Voldemort's spells aren't hurting anyone. Harry pointed it out to him. If I remember correctly (I don't have my books in front of me), Harry tells him that it is for two reasons...the wand wasn't Voldemort's to use and because he took Harry's blood...Lilly's blood that had protected Harry was now protecting everyone else. The power of love (and sacrafice...if you want to read more about this, please wait for my dissertation) conquered all...including Voldemort. I believe that (using a church song, here) there is power in the blood (of our symbolic) lamb...[color=#6600CC]
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