hey everyone, i cant stay on for long, but i just wanted to welcome kissmeimkrn.
but, i just wanted to tell you that youre not allowed one-liners when posting. im sure an admin will address this situation to you later.

i will answer the questions later when i have more time i promise!

hope to see what have to write browneyedgirl(: & no worries or rush, the questions will be there when you come back

Okay, I know this will sound weird after interupting the thread, but I'm sort of new to the whole forum thing. I signed up in May, and never really posted much other than one-liners (oops! ). What do I talk about in this thread? (I am from Hufflepuff, yes.) If someone could give me some advice on what to talk about, that would be really great... Thanks!

hello there sadie_urlady523 !

let me properly introduce you to hufflepuff

here we obviously talk about anything that has to do with hufflepuff. & we answer any questions that anyone posts to hear one anothers opininon. i posted a few questions not to long ago seeing as some people were having trouble finiding questions : / you can start off if you'd like answering those & we can get you rolling in with the thread


how does one who was probably loyal to the hufflepuffs were able to learn more about them if its true, that they hardly were ever mentioned..... ?

how did we get a badger as a house symbol? meaning what does it mean to the hufflepuff to be a badger?

& what role do hufflepuffs play in harry potter ? or hogwarts?


& if you'd like you can flip back through a few pages & see other asked questions you'd like to answer (:

happy posting & enjoy the house of hufflepuff<3

First of all, thanks to Nicky Potter for introducing me. And thanks for the questions. Well, here goes!



how does one who was probably loyal to the hufflepuffs were able to [b]learn more about them if its true, that they hardly were ever mentioned..... ?
[i]Ummmm........ Sorry, but this isn't really very well worded. I can't understand what I'm supposed to be answering. Sorry!


how did we get a badger as a house symbol? meaning what does it mean to the hufflepuff to be a badger?
I think that the badger is a symbol of persistance (loyalty). Maybe it was Hufflepuff's favorite animal, too! We may never know... [/b

what role do hufflepuffs play in harry potter ? or hogwarts?[/i]
They usually play the lesser parts, although they are very important. They are good students, loyal, they help Harry along the way with quite a few things (including Cedric! , and over all they play the part of those who are the anchor for Hogwarts. They are the ones who are never fueding over power, unlike Gryffindor, Slytherin, and Ravenclaw. They keep each other strong, which is very important.


Sorry! I can't get the bold and italics working, so it looks a little strange!

well what i meant by that question is lets say you have always liked hufflepuff in the series, & you hve always been there loyal to say, how is that they were able to do so if in the series they were mentioned VERY little.


& interesting , the badger meaning persistence. maybe theres something that the badger is , or that represents ? i'd have to look more into that ....

& you also made a point. the hufflepuffs never really got themselves into feuds with other houses. but i dont know about helping harry. by using cedric the only thing he really did was tell harry the second in return because harry did the same for him. but in a more broader term yes in the end of the deathly hallows book hufflepuff [& ravenclaw] stayed true to what was right even if slytherin didnt.

Okay, to answer the first question that I couldn't before, I think that that is part of the whole loyalty thing. They stay loyal because that is who they are. I'm not really sure what else to say about that.

And another thing. I can see where you are coming from about Cedric not really helping too much. It's been a while since I read the 4th book, and I didn't think before answering. Thanks!

no problem i have the same issue. there are times that i forget somethings i too get corrected becuase its been so long since i have had the chance to re read any of my books lol so its ok just wrote that to point it out thats all (:

Well, at least I'm not the only one that that happens to! Whew! Well, I started reading the entire series over again so that I can refresh my memory... Again thanks for pointing that out!

your welcome & if any questions happen to pop in your head to be shy & post them . we definetley like here questions to get us going & happy re reading

Ok, here's a question. Does anyone really admire Zacharias Smith in any way at all? I really don't think he has any admirable qualities, even though he is a Hufflepuff...

Feedback, please!

hmm that kid lol well he is mentioned a few times , but i dont know. if he were to be admired by anyone in this thread it woud have to be becuase he is a hufflepuff[?] but other than that he seems like those chracters ho are mentioned just to have names & show different variety of students are in other houses, not just in gryffindor or slytherin. those are my two cents . anyone else care to share?

I agree with you, but looking over the areas where Zacharias is mentioned, I really don't see him showing any Hufflepuff-like tendancies at all! I mean, he may be hard working, we don't know, but in terms of loyal to the truth.... the only person he's loyal to is himself, and his own opinions! The only noble thing he really did in his schooling was join the DA, and even then he did it with extreme reluctance. He did not participate in the Battle of Hogwarts, in fact, he pushes past First Years in his attempt to flee the castle! The only reason I can see for his being in Hufflepuff is the remote chance that he is related somhow to Hepzibah Smith, who was decsended from Helga. I don't know about you lot, but I think this may be one instance where the Sorting Hat got it wrong. And in answer to your question, sadie_urlady523, no, I don't admire him at all. The only way he could have redeemed himself in my eyes was to participate in the Battle, and he did not do so.

Thanks, Ali_Jesus_Freak! Well, I do agree with you 100%. In everything you said. I know that Smith wasn't a big character, but what we saw in him wasn't that great. Like you said, he could only be redeemed by the Battle At Hogwarts, and he didn't participate in that. Pity...

Excellent points Ali_Jesus_Freak. It is true all that you have said, Zack [let me refer to him like that for short] never really put out there any hufflepuff traits. & what I meant by the only thing that makes him worthy was becuase he was in hufflepuff, I didn't mean like he had traits, just the fact that he was even sorted in that house was what made him hufflepuff-ish haha. But trait wise, apologies but I didn't see anything that made him Hufflepuff material. I make it sound like it's boot camp. & you maybe right, I think I'm going to agree that it's possible that the sorting hat may have made a mistake, but it is possible that at the time or sorting he was Hufflepuff material. Rememeber the sorting aht sorts you in that house in which traits outshine more than the others & you dont know much of what each house expects from you at eleven. So it's possible that was Hufflepuff material, but over the years of interacting with one another & seeing the different kind of people that exist he may have been molded or the enviornment around him may have made him who he really was. Does anyone understand what I'm trying to say?

& do I admire him? Well no. Becuase not only was he not mentioned enough for one to know the characters, but anytime that he was mentioned he sure didn't leave a very good lasting impression :/ & like Ali_Jesus_Freak he did try to save his own skin rather than help, which in my opinion that sounds very slytherin-ish. But that maybe just me thinking that. Any other thoughts anyone else? Good points there Ali_Jesus_Freak!

Nicely said, Nicky Potter! I completely agree with you. I do think that maybe that was possibly the first and only mistake that the sorting hat has ever made. He does sound like he would be a Slytherin. Wow. I didn't think I'd get these answers after simply asking if anyone likes "Zack" (as Nicky Potter says) at all. I could have seen him as a Hufflepuff if he had stayed at the battle instead of saving his own skin.

To me the thing is that the sorting hat is almost always right, I will credit him that. It can definetley pick what house your traits "say" but it usually all comes down to whether that really is you. & usually situations like that really does put your qualities to the test & really show whether you belong there or not. I mean don't get me wrong there is a difference between scared & saving your skin. It all comes down to choices & reasons behind it. Does anyone understand what I meant?

I understand. I do think that Zack must have had some Hufflepuff traits. I give the sorting hat the credit of being right at least 99.99% of the time.

Haha I give him that credit as well. Here's another question, Do you think that Neville should have been sorted in Hufflepuff? I mean yes I will agree the boy does have courage in him & he started showing that from the 5th book til the end, but haven't you ever wonder that he can be hufflepuff? Just a thought , like to hear your thoughts & anyone else reading this

I think that the sorting hat was right in his choice with Neville. He saw that deep down Neville was couragous, and he even showed it in a little way when standing up to the trio in the 1st book/movie.

That's true too. Good point. But have you ever notice him how he is so honest & loyal, & really nice. I sometimes wonder if he could have been in Hufflepuff too. But definetely he was courageous

I can totally see your point. I think that he could have been placed in either, but remember how he pulled the sword out of the hat? only a true gryffindor could have done that. the sorting hat must have seen taht. Maybe there should be a house for mixtures of Gryffindor and Hufflepuff, like Griffinpuff. Haha!

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haha. Griffinpuff.? thats cute.
so i havent been here for a bit, and i would answer the questions that you left, but i cant find them anymore! which means, new questions!
im glad we've been able to get this thread rolling again.
ok, i feel a question coming up..
If Hufflepuff had a more important role in the books, how do you think the series would have changed?

If Hufflepuff had a more important role in the books, how do you think the series would have changed?

Not really. The main houses of the story were Gryffindor and Slytherin. Ravenclaw didn't really have a big role, either. They could've depending on what J.K. wanted, though. She's the one who really controls every character, so she might've given Hufflepuff a bigger role, changing the series. It all comes down to the wishes of one woman. Pity she didn't give us a bigger role. We could've done a lot of good in the series. Any thoughts on my opinion? I'd like to hear.

By the way, browneyedgirl, I'd totally be in Griffinpuff. Haha!

If Hufflepuff had a more important role in the books, how do you think the series would have changed?

Wow, interesting questions (: let's see. If there role was important in the sense that it's good then things would have tunrned out differently for them in the book. Meaning that they wouldn't be the "lesser" of the house as how they are seen. Depending on what they would do they migh, probably, be seen in the same light as Gryffindor. Like they might be seen as one of those houses that are well known & poplular

Now even if they played the role as "bad" like the Slytherins are seen, then they still might have some importance as well but like they will be in a similar light as Slytherin. Not quite since well Slytherin places a bigger role & have a different history.

That was interesting, I'd like to read more into what others think (:



You make a point when you say that the main houses are Slytherin & Gryffindor but that's becuase like you mentioned the way JKR had it. But you never know maybe Hufflepuff's rival house could have been Ravenclaw. Because I see as S & G fight to see who's the most courageous while on the other hand H & R fight too see who are the smartest. Does that make sense? So you're right it depends on what the write wanted but that doesn't mean they couldn't have played an important roll

On your reply to my answer, I think that that is a really cool concept. I think that Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw would've fueded, although I'm not so sure that it would be about brains. Maybe other things. The Slytherin-Gryffindor fued wasn't really based on courage. Was it? I don't really think so. It was just that they hated eachother, unless someone can correct me and give me a reason why they were constantly fighting!

Well I don't know if it would be about brains but it's more possible when you think about it. Unless someone might know something different, but all in all I can see them feaud. & Well S & G probably didn't like eachother. But they always did try to outshine each other to see who was all around the best in what they do.

Interesting topic; I reckon the series would have changed considerably if Hufflepuff had been more involved. While the series would still be based on Slytherin and Gryffindor, I think the atmosphere of Hogwarts would be different. If certain Hufflepuffs were given the chance to step up and have a say, I'm not saying that the emnity would be dissolved, but there would be a definate change. You see, I think that Hufflepuff can see what the other houses don't, they see what is happening with a unbiased and compassionate eye. Gryffindor and Slytherin are of course too full of emnity to see past it (in most cases, there are of course exceptions), and Ravenclaws, well, they're unbiased, sure, but most of the time arent really all that interested. Hufflepuff I think would have made an impact if given the chance. As for why Gryffindor and Slytherin hate each other, well, in my opinion the two houses are living in ways that go against everything they stand for. Slytherins are known for being self-centered, sneaky, and down-right mean, and Gryffindors are definately against that. Gryffindors, with their loyalty to others and courage to do what is right, is completely against the Slytherin (slightly Dallas Winston) view of life "look out for yourself, don't worry about other people, and you'll be okay."

A slight side-note, I wasnt sure where to ask this and you guys are more experianced in VTM than I am; I wanted to ask you guys a question that isnt strictly to do with Hufflepuff, more to do with where someone is sorted, and was wondering if this thread is based directly on Hufflepuff things, or a place where Hufflepuffs can chat. Just wondering
- Ali

Great reply, Ali_Jesus_Freak! Well, to answer your last question, this thread is strictly Hufflepuff related. No chatting about just anything! If you want to do that, there is always the possibility of PMing. Happy posting here! I'd love to see some more from you! I've noticed that you have really good comments on the questions.

Well Ali_Jesus_Freak, referring to your last question, it depends what exactly are you referring to? Is it about a character in the book sorted or someone on Veritaserum?

Thanks guys, I was referring to Hogwarts students, nicky potter, but it doesnt matter now; I've started a thread based on the question I wanted to ask. sadie_urlady523 has already posted a reply, thanks! I was a bit nervous, it was my first thread, but there were responses, so yay! Thanks for your compliments sadie_urlady523, I really enjoy all this VTM stuff. Sorry for straying slightly off the beaten path in this post *looks around nervously for signs of unhappy moderators, then continues typing*, but we're back to Hufflepuff now....

A question for all the Puffs, Griffinpuffs, Ravenpuffs and Slithypuffs out there; if indeed Hufflepuffs were given a bigger role in the books, how do you think that would have been done, and which 'Puffs in particular would have shone more than others?

If indeed Hufflepuffs were given a bigger role in the books, how do you think that would have been done, and which 'Puffs in particular would have shone more than others?

thats a really good question. i think the reason Hufflepuff didnt have a huge role to start with is because they really dont have just one quality that shines. and because of that, its hard to establish just how Hufflepuffs could have been more involved. they possibly could have helped Gryffindor more? thats a really tough question. haha.

if indeed Hufflepuffs were given a bigger role in the books, how do you think that would have been done, and which 'Puffs in particular would have shone more than others?

I for some reason see Neville as a Hufflepuff, but let me use that thought to guide me in my answer. We see Neville as extra help for Harry, & it always works out. Well I think that's what hufflepuff might have been throughout the book. Maybe not to Harry but to the ones that need help. I mean isn't that what Hufflepuff does? Helps those that ask for help [or atleast know when to help] ? If they were to play a bigger part in the book. Now whch Hufflepuff would have shone? I can't say becuase not many were mention. All we know is that Zacharias & he wasn't all that great & Cedric but he's dead : / so that last part is hard. Interesting questions though(:

if indeed Hufflepuffs were given a bigger role in the books, how do you think that would have been done, and which 'Puffs in particular would have shone more than others?

Well, seeing as the 'Puffs aren't mentioned all that much, I can't really say which would've shone more than others. I agree with Nicky Potter that 'Zack' wouldn't really be my choice. I am positive, though, that Cedric would've been a big character had he not died. I also keep seeing Neville in Hufflepuff. I think that he would not have stood out though, due to his personality. Not unless he was friends with Harry, of course. He just doesn't seem to me like that kind of person...

Well, this thread hasn't been going for a few days, so here's a question:

If Cedric hadn't died, would Hufflepuff be mentioned more often?

If Cedric hadn't died, would Hufflepuff be mentioned more often?

i would have to say yes. Cedric was such a strong character that he definately would have been mentioned more, and therefore Hufflepuff would have been mentioned more. chances are, he would have helped in the war against Voldie..and yeah. Cedric rules. haha.

If Cedric hadn't died, would Hufflepuff be mentioned more often?

It's really hard to say. I mean it depends on how well the character Cedric was developed. As in if he turned out ot be rude and obnoxious I don't think that Hufflepuff will be very well liked Now if he turned out ot be charming and nice and well rounded and liked then there is a great chance. Then again not only Cedric can carry the house on his shoulders.

thats true, but i dont really think Cedric would have turned out to be rude and obnoxious.. i think he would have turned out more towards the "charming, nice and well rounded" type person. haha.

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True but he could've if it weren't for Harry being nice enough to give him the clue to the first task. But ehh yea he is charming and nice, maybe being around friends sort of ruin it at times. Some of us are like that when around friends haha. And thank you for the house cup update(: I don't know what does everyone else think about Cedric & what not?

Doesnt this House Cup thing sound good, eh? I'm looking forward to it; come on 'Puffs, lets show the others what we're made of!
Now, onto Cedric. A difficult topic, considering we only see him in the 4th book.
If Cedric hadn't died, would Hufflepuff be mentioned more often?
I agree with nicky potter on this one, it would depend on how the character was developed. Although he is portrayed in GoF as being a pretty nice guy, I'd be interested to know more about who he was as a person. How about Cho? What attracted him about her, becasue if he really was such a good guy, I dont think he would have just gone for looks. But maybe thats just my wishful thinking. Yes, I do think that Ced would have brought more fame to the Hufflepuff name if he had lived; he was after all their shining star, Co-TriWizard Champion and Quidditch hero. I respect Cedric, I think he rpoved himself a true Hufflepuff, and I think that his death was a major blow to the Hufflepuff hosue.

Thank you Ali (: Glad to see someone agrees. But you make a point. Think about it like this, becuase of Harry Potter the Gryffindor house played a extrememly huge role stories. Same with Slytherin becuase of Draco & the connection Voldemort had with them although he was a Ravenclaw I believe. So it comes down to how well developed his character would have been. He had alot going on for himself that could've turned the Hufflepuff house around if it weren't for his untimely death

I am going to have to disagree. In my opinion, Cedric's survival would not have served to further the story, or have given any insight into the character of his house.

I believe that his death was pivotal to bringing the 'Puffs more fully into the story. JKR did not have to use a lot of text in order to accomplish this. Do not equate a lack of text with a lack of importance. In the Battle of Hogwarts-the 'Puffs were the second largest group to stay and fight.

That's true the Hufflepuffs were loyal. But what we are saying is that dpeending how his character would have been developed, could have had a different outcome. I mean from the Hufflepuffs that we know he is probably the well known and most liked & he could've had a positive affect. He could have had the same 'fame' for Hufflepuffs like Harry had with Gryffindor. It's all in the matter of character development I'd say.

Hi everyone!! Sorry I haven't been on here in 2 weeks. I was on Vacation in Florida. My mom's computer wasn't letting me pull up VTM!! And sorry...no I didn't go to see the construction of HARRY POTTER WORLD!YAY We went to Busch Gardens and Sea World. But I'm back and ready to type LOL

how did we get a badger as a house symbol? meaning what does it mean to the hufflepuff to be a badger?


I think the house symbol is a badger because the Hufflepuff dormitories are under ground for one thing.Oh here it is! I found it!

Hufflepuff corresponds roughly to the element of earth. The Hufflepuff dormitories and common room are located somewhere in the basement (corresponding to earth), their entrance found through a still-life painting that is somewhere near the kitchens. You must give a password to the painting to enter. The Hufflepuff common room is filled with yellow hangings and fat armchairs and it has little underground tunnels leading to the dormitories, all of which have perfectly round doors, like barrel tops (very much like a badger sett). ~~~~Wikipedia


If Cedric hadn't died, would Hufflepuff be mentioned more often?


I absolutely think that if cedric had lived Hufflepuff would have been mentioned a bit more! After GOF of course. Why is it we didn't know of Cedric until the 4th book? Who knows...but i think Cedric would have played an important part later on if had survived. I do agree on the fact that this would depend on how his character further developed. But he had such a huge role in GOF...if he would have lived I don't see Cedric disappearing from the story. Every house has their famous, well-respected, important character(s) and I think that Cedric was ours. Now all we have are past pupils to look up to.

Heres my thing, Hufflepuff was barely mentioned before Cedric died! So what would have made a big a difference if he hadn't died?

Wow! Did JK give that info out, or did Wiki just make it up? I never really thought about where the 'Puff dormitory was located. I'm just wondering what the picture that they have to give the password to is.... I think it had something to do with the earth, like a landscape or something.

Well..I think since Cedric was such a huge character in GOF if he would have lived there is no way Rowling would have made him disappear. It would be like erasing Cho...or Luna. Once the character is there and we all know about them it's kinda difficult to just say oh well...your erased. With Cedric alive...Hufflepuff had a BETTER chance of being noticed and possibly having a bigger role in the story. And there is no doubt in my mind he would have been in the final fight against Voldy...maybe even at the ministry in OOTP. Who knows...but he's the first Hufflepuff that we all really had the chance to meet and connect with[indent]...and if he stuck around...we would have seen a lot more. But that's just my 2 cents.


Sadie_urlady523 Wikipedia doesn't post anything unless it's true. Some of the mods on VTM reference that sight. I go to it quite often. I'm pretty sure JKR does mention where their dormitories are located in the books...maybe even a bit more info. I'd have to reread the first few books to be sure though.

thats pretty much what i was getting at. JKR wouldnt just drop a character. once we've "connected" with a character, she'll leave them in the series and somehow intertwine them in the story line. as Hermione17 said, its like Luna or Cho. JKR mentioned them, and they were important characters in the series..it would have been the same with Cedric.
but what i cant decide is whether it was good if Cedric died or not. i mean, if he lived, Hufflepuffs would have gotten some recognition throughout the rest of the series, but since he did die, we got major respect, but we weren't mentioned as much as i would have liked later in the series. what do you guys think?

I completely see your point Browneyedgirl.



Hufflepuff did get a lot of respect when Cedric died. But let's say he lived. Cedric and Harry were both Tri wizard champions...he would gotten respect from that as well. At least I would think so. And if he lived...I think Hufflepuffs would have been mentioned more throughout the rest of the story. With such a big character as Cedric...Rowling would have included him else where in the series.

That too. If he survived the chances of him near the ending of the series of himself being invovled with the downfall & fight with Voldemort would have broughten more attention to the hufflepuff house. Most likely more students may step up as well. I just really do think that with Cedric still alive, the hufflepuff might have had a bigger shot at being more mentioned in the books. Does anyone undertand where I am going with this? Like I have mentioned previously, think of it like this. Cedric to the Hufflepuff's is like Harry to the Gryffindors.