muggleview
May 16 2008, 11:33 PM
I thought this thread is about Bonnie Wright as Ginny Weasley, but many posts have veered too much into discussing Ginny's character, which is being discussed in another thread.
From the movies, Bonnie played significantly in the Chamber of Secrets. In fact, her still pictures are memorable. She has this dark, mysterious look on her face when she was peering from balcony, but on other occassions, a cheerful girl. Just like what the Ginny in the books. I hope her acting matures further in HBP.
Amyrat151
May 21 2008, 08:33 PM
Holy Lord Muggs, when's the last time you posted? ::asks in a hopeful voice:: Have you come back again?
DW, you agree with me how, exactly? I think that Bonnie and Emma are equally pretty.
The only time I can remember in the books anyone saying Ginny was pretty was the scene with the Slytherins, and I have read HBP 6 times, so I know the book very well, the only way an obsessive fan can.
And you're twisting my words. I didn't say that Harry only liked Ginny for her personality, I said he noticed her because of her personality. Moving back into OotP Ginny called Harry out for being an idiot, acting all emo and sulking in his room. And when it clicked in his mind that she talks to him now, he didn't once think about her physical appearance. And oh course Harry is going to find Ginny attractive, romantic love isn't romantic love if the people in the relationship aren't attracted to one another, anyone know Sex and City...zua zua zew? Anyone with me? But to get back on topic, if a guy and girl don't have sexual feelings for one another, then it's just a friendship.
I think that obsessed is too strong of a word to describe Harry's feelings for Ginny. He was able to worry/think about school, Quidditch, his lessons with Dumbledore, news about the war, what Snape was up to, what Malfoy was up to, Ron and Hermione's fight, and how he would become stronger to defeat Voldermort. I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting but the point I'm trying to make is that there was a lot going on in Harry's life HBP, and he didn't just push all that out of the way to think about Ginny. That would have been obsession, when you're obsessed with something, you can't think about anything else, and I know. I've been obsessed with a lot of stuff before. If he did push things like the war to the backseat, then I would most likely be criticizing Harry and Ginny's relationship as well, but he didn't so I'm not.
And I'm fully aware that R/Hr was beefed up a bit, which I won't talk more about because this thread isn't for that, but I really don't think that he had more of H/G then was in the book.
Dumbledore's Widow
May 21 2008, 11:35 PM
QUOTE(Amyrat151 @ May 21 2008, 02:33 PM) [snapback]508394[/snapback]
... DW, you agree with me how, exactly?
... And you're twisting my words.
It's the way I
interpreted your post of May 15 that I said that I agreed with you. It's obvious now that we don't agree at all. I may have
misinterpreted your post, but I certainly didn't
twist your words.
I still believe that Bonnie is a
plain jane when compared to Emma. It's merely an opinion, just as it's your opinion that they are "equally pretty". I also still say that Harry was
obsessed with Ginny in HBP. As I said in my previous post, his chest monster was a metaphor for the feelings Harry was experiencing over Ginny. Feelings like jealousy, envy, and trying to covet anothers girlfriend. I know that Rowling was trying to create a romance between Harry and Ginny in HBP, but, IMO she didn't write it well at all.
Amyrat151
May 23 2008, 05:00 AM
It seems like we've gone way off topic to what this thread is actually suppose to be about, but do I think the "chest monster" thing was stupid, yeah I do. I think that it was a metaphor that JK could have done with out. But I think there was more to their relationship than that dumb monster. I don't care that Harry was crushing on a girl who was already with someone else, though. Who hasn't gotten feelings for people who where taken, I have, but I didn't act on them, and pretty sure the guy had little to no idea, in both cases...sigh. Do I think that Harry and Ginny is the greatest romance ever, not really, not even with in Harry Potter, in my opinion. But I think they have something real, and that's good enough for me.
UnknownLocket
May 27 2008, 10:13 PM
Well hopefully the Harry and Ginny relationship can be conveyed on screen too and be just as real as you saw it in the books, and hopefully more believeable than I and others had interpreted it to be. It will be interesting to see how the directors plan on creating a Dan and Bonnie chemistry to overshadow the one Dan already has with Emma. And it will be just as interesting to see how Bonnie grows in her performances. Hopefully she pulls it off.
harrypotterlover1024
Jun 2 2008, 01:35 AM
yea i've always kind of thought bonnie was a little plain. I also think that people who havn't read the books will be like where did she come from?? when they see the movie. Ginny becomes a really powerful character in the last two books and i really like her character. I think she has been developing into this stong person in the books, but it wasn't portrayed in the movies. Thats why we have been thinking bonnie might not be able to pull it off. I feel like she hasn't really gotten a chance in the movies to show how she acts, so we can't tell if she is good enough.
UnknownLocket
Jun 5 2008, 05:43 AM
QUOTE(harrypotterlover1024 @ Jun 1 2008, 08:35 PM) [snapback]510992[/snapback]
I think she has been developing into this stong person in the books, but it wasn't portrayed in the movies.
I see it the other way around. I see in the movies that Ginny is developing into a strong character where as in the book, it wasn't portrayed that way. According to Rowling, Ginny was meant to be a talented and powerful witch when it came to magic but there are too many other incidents that contradict Ginny's strength and talent besides the few comments on her bat-bogey hex. In the books, Ginny proves to be insufficient in the Department of Mysteries in the OotP, unbelievably
lucky in the HBP, and nearly dies in DH. However, in the movies, she isn't much of a damsel in distress. In the DA, she performs a nearly perfect patronus that others take a moment to admire, and in the DoM, she performs a very powerful spell which definately was not shown in the books.
The only reason why I would think that Bonnie would not be able to pull off her performance would be because her other performances haven't been as strong. But of course, she hasn't really had much to work with.
chinery13
Jun 6 2008, 09:13 PM
Unknown locket i totally see what you mean about it being the other way round and i don't totally disagree with you, i certainly see how you got it the other way round and that she looks likes she gets stronger in the films more than books.
However if you think about it in the books she is in it more therefore shows that she will become something important soon therefore doesn't really need the massive strength, talent etc shown because it is just obvious she becomes 'special' i suppose.
Then in the films she has very little parts compared to the books but they are actually bigger and more, for lack of a better word, important. It equals it out slightly though for me she is still more important in the books.
Anyway Ginny definitely becomes a stronger and more likeable character in HBP and i am thinking that Bonnie Wright is going to portray her excellently.
- Rachel
xxx
monkeymushroom
Jun 7 2008, 12:01 PM
In the book, i was really surprised when JK wrote that Harry was feeling some things for Ginny. This shows that the character of Ginny wasn't portrayed that much in the other books, because otherwise it wouldn't have like such a masive step for Harry to suddenly like Ginny.
I don't think it matters much if Ginny didn't get much screen time in the previous films - in fact, it couldn't be more true to the books that Ginny was in the background for the most of the time - because in the end, it was random that Harry started to like Ginny, and it was a surprise; so i think those who havn't read the books will react the same way (shocked) that some of us did when we first read the book.
I think we should expect a massive change in development of the character of Ginny the next film.
monkeymushroom
Jun 12 2008, 04:30 PM
Look at this:
Picture of Ginny and HarryAwwww, i think i'm gonna cry, it's sooo sweet.
I am so excited about the Harry and Ginny relationship. I wonder how it will be portrayed. But this photo says it all i think. It is real, and it is a part of the film, so we should be able to see this scene.
I really cannot wait now.
Dumbledore's Widow
Jun 12 2008, 05:12 PM
I've seen that picture on a couple of other HP web sites. I have to say that I don't think it's a flattering photo. Look at how strained Bonnie's neck is on Dan's shoulder. It reminds me of how my dog lays her head across my lap. I also think Bonnie looks uncomfortable in that shot, almost like "Oh shucks, this is soooo embarrassing".
You can't see much of Dan's face in this photo, which is too bad, because he's by far the better half.
chinery13
Jun 12 2008, 05:22 PM
I think it is a great example of Bonnie's acting even though it is only a picture and we don't even know where, why and when.
I am extremely excited about HBP and i never had a doubt about Bonnie portraying Ginny. It looks like the relationship is going to come out incredibly well.
- Rachel
xxxx
harrypotterlover1024
Jun 12 2008, 07:07 PM
Aw i like it! They look so cute. =] I have been trying to think what part this might be, but i can't come up with anything. Anyone have any ideas?
chinery13
Jun 12 2008, 07:19 PM
I reckon that it is a scene that they have added in as i don't recognise it either, and can't work it out.
But i really do think that Bonnie looks really great and that she is going to be a brilliant Ginny Weasley and to be perfectly honest cannot think of anyone else who would loom the part and be the part.
- Rachel
xxx
UnknownLocket
Jun 12 2008, 10:11 PM
QUOTE(chinery13 @ Jun 12 2008, 12:22 PM) [snapback]513419[/snapback]
I think it is a great example of Bonnie's acting even though it is only a picture and we don't even know where, why and when.
I am extremely excited about HBP and i never had a doubt about Bonnie portraying Ginny. It looks like the relationship is going to come out incredibly well.
I'll have to disagree. I don't think that the picture gives a very flattering veiw of Bonnie's acting.
Dumbeldore's Widow hit it on the nail. Bonnie does look very strained. Also, the hug looks more like a friendly one, not one that you would usually see shared between two lovers. A picture is supposed to be worth a thousand words, but hopefully Bonnie's acting is worth more than this photo.
And the scene is probably the one where Harry goes to hug and then kiss Ginny in the common room. Who knows....
chinery13
Jun 13 2008, 05:30 PM
I have had another in-depth look at the pic and i do see how you think she looks slightly strained. And i agree with your suggestion and opinion totally now that i look at it again closely. It could just be a bad photo that was taken at the wrong time for her, or she could actually mean to look like that. It's a suggestion, that although is slightly "wild" and that i thought i would throw up into the air, and could be right?
- Rachel
xxx
Magelirose
Jun 13 2008, 06:28 PM
Hmmm, well I would have to say I completely disagree with that judgment. To me it looks like she is squeezing Harry really hard and grinning as well as experiencing a load of relief. That's the sort of hug I give to people I haven't seen for a long time, and am really pleased to be with again. It's also the sort of hug best mates give each other when they are being congratulated/congratulating someone.
I think the photo is slightly confusing as she has her eyes closed, which could mean she is just bathing in the glorious moment of it all (which when you consider the possible scenario i.e. it could be when Harry finds out Ginny won the quidditch match, would make complete sense).
However, as always, it is terribly difficult to judge someone's acting skills when all we have to go on is a still photo...
I will wait to see the film before judging anyone (as usual...

).
UnknownLocket
Jun 13 2008, 10:47 PM
QUOTE(Magelirose @ Jun 13 2008, 01:28 PM) [snapback]513713[/snapback]
Hmmm, well I would have to say I completely disagree with that judgment. To me it looks like she is squeezing Harry really hard and grinning as well as experiencing a load of relief. That's the sort of hug I give to people I haven't seen for a long time, and am really pleased to be with again. It's also the sort of hug best mates give each other when they are being congratulated/congratulating someone.
I think the photo is slightly confusing as she has her eyes closed, which could mean she is just bathing in the glorious moment of it all (which when you consider the possible scenario i.e. it could be when Harry finds out Ginny won the quidditch match, would make complete sense).
In a way, you actually kind of agreed with me. Besides the opinion that the hug was strained, you agreed on my point that the hug was more of a friendly hug when you stated that '
It's also the sort of hug best mates give each other'. But of course, just like you, I won't be judging Bonnie's performance until I see the movie.
Magelirose
Jun 14 2008, 12:28 AM
Ah now, that's where your perception of a close romantic relationship differs from mine. I have been married for 16 years, but with my husband for 23 years so far. We consider each other to be our best friends. So that sort of hug is the sort of hug I have given my husband when he has returned home after months away at sea. It comprises several emotions: Extreme happiness, relief, oodles of love, and absolute comfort in hugging the one person in this entire world that I love romantically.
Sappy, but true!
rebel_megz
Jun 14 2008, 12:41 AM
I think Bonnie is a good Ginny, I mean when I read the books I didn't really "imagine" her... she's very quiet in the movies but in the books she's talkative! I think Bonnie looks the parts but she has to start BEING the part, like the trio and Snape, those are the characters who I think MOST act like that's who they ARE, who show the most PASSION in their part. This also goes for Hagrid and the first Dumbledore. The second Dumbledore? Not so much. But Dan really shines out through them I think. I think Bonnie will turn into Ginny in HBP and DH because she really has a part and she's a good actress. But we also have to remember it's not all her, it's also the directors TELLING her what to do and how to act so you do have to blame them.
Dumbledore's Widow
Jun 14 2008, 03:06 AM
I really don't understand why people keep saying that Bonnie is a
good actress. She hasn't had much dialogue in the HP movies thus far. I'm curious to know what specifically has Bonnie done that people say she is a
good actress?
All I really have to go by is the first 4 films (I haven't seen OotP), and there just isn't all that much acting on her part in those films. The actors who play the Weasley twins, Neville, Luna, and Cho seem to have had more lines than Bonnie.
In HBP, we read more about Ginny than we had in any of the other books combined, so it stands to reason that we will see Bonnie act more in the 6th movie. I'll reserve judgment as to how good an actress she is until
after the HBP movie. But, somehow, I don't think she will be nominated for a Golden Globe or an Academy Award!
rebel_megz
Jun 14 2008, 04:38 AM
Well Dumbledore's Widow, in my opinion, a good actor/actress portrays their feelings so everyone can also feel it. The speaking parts aren't the most important things, okay yes they are but all that proves is that they can remember the lines and that they know what's going on, but the acting is how well they can act, hence that is why they are called... actors! For example, ANYONE can go up to a camera and say, "Bond, James Bond" but only certain people CAN be James Bond, only some can make it believable and dramatic. You see what I mean? You see a bad actor would do this, they would "pretend" that this scenario is going on -
Bad Actor - BA
Good Actor - GA
BA's mother just died, BA is supposed to be distraught. However, BA doesn't change his/her expression and says the right line, "How did this happen?" but they say it like they were ordering it at McDonald's. BUT a GA would start crying making it more serious.
You see what I mean? It's about emotion! Therefore I was saying Bonnie was a "good" actress for her part even though she doesn't have many lines. I think we can expect something great from her in HBP and DH.
UnknownLocket
Jun 14 2008, 04:33 PM
QUOTE(Magelirose @ Jun 13 2008, 07:28 PM) [snapback]513822[/snapback]
Ah now, that's where your perception of a close romantic relationship differs from mine. I have been married for 16 years, but with my husband for 23 years so far. We consider each other to be our best friends. So that sort of hug is the sort of hug I have given my husband when he has returned home after months away at sea. It comprises several emotions: Extreme happiness, relief, oodles of love, and absolute comfort in hugging the one person in this entire world that I love romantically.
Sappy, but true!

I understand.
QUOTE(rebel_megz @ Jun 13 2008, 07:41 PM) [snapback]513826[/snapback]
I think Bonnie is a good Ginny, I mean when I read the books I didn't really "imagine" her... she's very quiet in the movies but in the books she's talkative! I think Bonnie looks the parts but she has to start BEING the part, like the trio and Snape, those are the characters who I think MOST act like that's who they ARE, who show the most PASSION in their part. This also goes for Hagrid and the first Dumbledore. The second Dumbledore? Not so much. But Dan really shines out through them I think. I think Bonnie will turn into Ginny in HBP and DH because she really has a part and she's a good actress. But we also have to remember it's not all her, it's also the directors TELLING her what to do and how to act so you do have to blame them.
Bolding mine.
Actors are like singers (not all), singers take a piece of music written for them and they perform it. In the end, they are the ones that make the song sell. Same thing for actors, they take the directions given to them by the directors, but in the end, they are the ones who have to act the part and make it believable. So the blame should not be solely on the directors. If Bonnie can't play her part so that fans can appreciate it, then it's due to her acting skills. Of course, it all comes down to personal interpretations although I can't say that there are very many actors who I have thought could not perform their parts.
monkeymushroom
Jun 14 2008, 11:48 PM
I think i understand what rebel_megz is saying about the director truly being the one whose fault it is when an actor does something badly in a film.
It is, after all, the director's job to guide the actors and tell them exactly what they want from their acting. For example, if their film doesn't happen to do well , either in the box office or for an award, then surely it shouldn't be the actors fault. The director should take full responsibility for the unsuccess of their own film because they could have kept shooting the scenes over and over again until they got the actor's performance right, but they didn't. An actor doesn't have control over the amount of times they try the scene again.
I think - in relation to Bonnie Wright's performance - in each film they've had with Ginny, the director, if they wanted to, could of perfected her character more by telling Bonnie exactly how they want her to say her lines. But clearly they couldn't be bothered, and decided to put more of their time and effort into the other characters.
I don't blame them of course for doing that, because Ginny really wasn't a central character in the books, until HBP and DH, so they didn't need to put so much effort into her character. In the fifth film, however, they really came through with her (i think) because David Yates is the perfect example of the 'actor's director'. Because he's a perfectionist, and he never gives up on a scene until he's got it exactly how he wants it. He put more effort in with Ginny than any of the other directors did. He gave her more screen time, and put those very discrete looks on her face when he could have just left us (the audience) forget all about her. It surely wasn't Bonnie who suggested herself doing those things, it was all thanks the director and the screenwriter who imagined her role in the film in the firstplace. In fact, it's a good thing they emphasised more on Ginny in Ootp because then it doesn't come as much of a surprise when she and Harry get together in the next film. Although, when i read the book it was certainly more than surprising, and not to mention random, that Harry started liking her because i never expected it. Whereas, in the films they have totally foreshadowed their relationship (for instance in Ootp - when we keep seeing Ginny make those looks whenever she sees or hears that Harry and Cho are together). Her character is soo detailed in Ootp, and i think alot of people here still manage to forget that.
Dumbledore's Widow
Jun 15 2008, 01:42 AM
QUOTE(monkeymushroom @ Jun 14 2008, 05:48 PM) [snapback]514092[/snapback]
... In the fifth film, however, they really came through with her (i think) because David Yates is the perfect example of the 'actor's director'. Because he's a perfectionist, and he never gives up on a scene until he's got it exactly how he wants it. He put more effort in with Ginny than any of the other directors did. He gave her more screen time, and put those very discrete looks on her face when he could have just left us (the audience) forget all about her. It surely wasn't Bonnie who suggested herself doing those things, it was all thanks the director and the screenwriter who imagined her role in the film in the firstplace. In fact, it's a good thing they emphasised more on Ginny in Ootp because then it doesn't come as much of a surprise when she and Harry get together in the next film. Although, when i read the book it was certainly more than surprising, and not to mention random, that Harry started liking her because i never expected it. Whereas, in the films they have totally foreshadowed their relationship (for instance in Ootp - when we keep seeing Ginny make those looks whenever she sees or hears that Harry and Cho are together). Her character is soo detailed in Ootp, and i think alot of people here still manage to forget that.
Well, I would think that Yates may have felt he HAD to give Ginny more attention. After all, the audience was going to have to be told that Ginny was going to become the future Mrs. Potter.

The previous films had shown a lot of H/Hr and the audience more likely than not, expected H/Hr. Especially the viewers who do not read the books.
I didn't see OotP, but from what I hear from some people that did is that the film fabricated scenes, and that Ginny was given more
on air time than she had had in the book. I suppose this may have been necessary so that the audience would be able to follow along and realize why Ginny ends up with Harry. But, in so doing, it just butchered the 5th book.
It's really too bad that Rowling just didn't let the screenwriter or the director or anyone over at Warner Bros. know what the pairings were going to be, then maybe they would not have put in so much H/Hr
touchy feelies. This would have made it a little easier to make Ginny becoming Harry's girlfriend more believable, and without having to butcher what was already canon.
You know, if Bonnie hadn't done OK in OotP or in HBP, she would have certainly been replaced for DH. After all, she is dispensable, whereas Dan, Emma and Rupert are a little more indispensable.
UnknownLocket
Jun 15 2008, 01:55 AM
QUOTE(monkeymushroom @ Jun 14 2008, 06:48 PM) [snapback]514092[/snapback]
Her character is soo detailed in Ootp, and i think alot of people here still manage to forget that.
I guess it's because Ginny still is in the background. Eventhough she was present in the movie and we got two good shots of Bonnie's face, it wasn't enough to make her memorable. OotP brought in some new characters such as Umbridge and Luna, and we see different relationship aspects being played up such as H/L and L/N. Also, with the plot and the realization that Voldemort is back and in power, it is natural to overlook her character. And I believe that many people still will overlook her character when HBP and DH come out. Although she is supposed to be more in the fore front, Ginny is not significantly involved with the plot and HBP and DH have some great storylines that I'm sure the director would not want to miss. Don't get me wrong though, Ginny will be present and Bonnie will be given more to work with and performances to grow on. Eventually, we will be able to analyze her character and acting skills better, but she still may be overlooked because afterall, she is just a secondary character. And come to think of it, Ginny isn't mentioned much anyways in the books. It is only because that she ended up with Harry that we feel like she was there more than she actually was.
chinery13
Jun 15 2008, 08:32 AM
QUOTE
Dumbledore's Widow Posted Today, 02:42 AM You know, if Bonnie hadn't done OK in OotP or in HBP, she would have certainly been replaced for DH.
I totally agree, they would do exactly that, so obviously she must be decent enough or more for them so if they think that then it should be good enough for us. I never really doubted Bonnie and although others have made distinctly good points on
their doubts i am still sticking to mine.
Also i think it's ridiculous how much people are doubting her acting, it doesn't exactly give her much hope for the future and her acting skills for the next film(s) if say she reads this or someone tells her about it.
- Rachel
xxx
monkeymushroom
Jun 15 2008, 10:24 AM
I don't think she would've been replaced; JK Rowling apparently insisted that Bonnie was present for all the films. In all fairness to Bonnie, we havn't been shown enough evidence of her acting in the films that suggest how good she is. And even so, that doesn't mean that she isn't good, she might even be a very skillful actress but we just havn't seen her demonstrate that properly yet.
Let's all just give her a chance, here.
I bet that David Yates gave her some pointers, like he did (apparently) with Dan in Ootp; he just told Dan to make it better, and he didn't stop until he got the performance he wanted. Maybe Bonnie will develop alot more in this film because David Yates would have persisted and challenged her for a better performance. If so then i'm excited to see how well she does. Even if she doesn't get it absolutely perfect, i don't think i'm going to judge her too harshly because no performance ever seems perfect in the eye of another beholder.
chinery13
Jun 15 2008, 11:06 AM
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monkeymushroom Posted Today, 11:24 AM Let's all just give her a chance, here.
Thank you, finally someone who speaks my language, that's is all i want. People are saying they don't think she will do well blah blah, but do we even know how good she is? No! She hasn't been given a chance as of yet to prove herself in the hp films and this one is her chance. We have to give her the benefit of the doubt and let her show how well she acts. Only after this film can we tell if she is a good choice for Ginny or not. Even if the public's opinion is still bad as monkeymushroom said, she probably won't be replaced. So give her a chance and after the film if you still think she is a bad choice then trash her, though in my opinion i don't see that happening to be honest.
- Rachel
xxx
UnknownLocket
Jun 15 2008, 09:27 PM
QUOTE(chinery13 @ Jun 15 2008, 06:06 AM) [snapback]514203[/snapback]
People are saying they don't think she will do well blah blah, but do we even know how good she is? No! She hasn't been given a chance as of yet to prove herself in the hp films and this one is her chance. We have to give her the benefit of the doubt and let her show how well she acts. Only after this film can we tell if she is a good choice for Ginny or not.
I believe that a lot of people doubt Bonnie because now she has to portray a different sort of Ginny that we have't seen in the first 5 books. Ginny's character has developed and Bonnie hasn't changed enough to keep up with that development.
Bonnie has had her chance to perform and display her acting skills once already in the chamber of secrets, and I think that she did a good job of it. But since then she has had less lines, less expressions, and her acting has plummeted. Everyone is giving Bonnie a chance (not that they have much choice) even if they don't have high expectations for her.
peter
Jun 18 2008, 02:46 PM
I think Bonny is fantastic as Ginny, through all the films I think she's been a good character and she has played it well although in the books, j k displayed her as a rather feisty girl, however this hasn't been shown properly in the films. I don't think they really have done her justice in the films and I think she should really shine in the next film, not just chipping one liners half way through the movie like in the Order of the Phoenix. Ginny is meant to be pretty and people say she isn't but I really think she is but I am not sure Harry and Ginny go well together. It seems unnatural and a bit... forced? What do yout think? I like Ginny and Dean Thomas together though and I want to see them together in the film. Anyway, I think Bonny is great as Ginny but I think the lines Steve Kloves gives her should be more unruly and feisty like when she trips up Ron and snaps at Hermione saying: "Don't talk about Quidditch Hermione, you'll only embarrass yourself," I want to see Bonny deliver those lines, because she is a great actress.
laughingirl_92
Jun 18 2008, 07:14 PM
I agree with Peter in when he says that she barely has lines in the first 5 movies.I believe that she has a big and important character and that that should be shown throughout the movies. I really hope to see a lot of attitude in these next 3 movies. Especially in the 6th.
Dumbledore's Widow
Jun 19 2008, 05:57 PM
QUOTE(laughingirl_92 @ Jun 18 2008, 01:14 PM) [snapback]514984[/snapback]
I agree with Peter in when he says that she barely has lines in the first 5 movies.I believe that she has a big and important character and that that should be shown throughout the movies. I really hope to see a lot of attitude in these next 3 movies. Especially in the 6th.
Ginny had few lines in the first 5 movies, in fact, as I recall, I don't think she had any lines in POA or GoF. From what I have heard and read, the filmmakers had to make up scenes involving Ginny in OotP. I suppose they have to do this, or at least exagerate scenes, because of the fact that they have to show the audience that she becomes Harry's girlfriend in the 6th book. The filmmakers also have to
play down the chemistry between Dan and Emma
as H/Hr in order to make H/G believable. And, we all know what a gold mine D/E's chemistry was to Warner Bros.!
I can't help but laugh that they have to go to those extremes.
Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
Jun 20 2008, 06:34 AM
^^actually, she did have a line in GoF, when Ron was in shock after he asked Fleur out, and she was telling Hermione about it. she's definitely done good with what limited time she had on-screen. i think it'd be harder to say a one-liner than a whole speech or conversation. harder to get into character...and then i saw some videos of other works of hers, and Bonnie, to put it simply, is a good, solid actress.
QUOTE
The filmmakers also have to play down the chemistry between Dan and Emma as H/Hr in order to make H/G believable. And, we all know what a gold mine D/E's chemistry was to Warner Bros.!
I can't help but laugh that they have to go to those extremes.
^^it definitely didn't seem that way, especially in OoTP...
yea, what a loss of profit[/sarcasm]
Dumbledore's Widow
Jun 20 2008, 12:33 PM
Well, the profit for the HBP and DH films remain to be seen. I don't think that they will do as well. The hype will be focused more on Stephanie Meyer's Twilight series books and the movie that is due out right around when HBP is to be released. Twilight is new, HP is old news. But, still, HP will gross well I'm sure. I'm not saying that it isn't. Just not as good as the previous films and I think that Twilight will blow it out of the water! My opinion of course. No sarcasm here.
Ki^
Jun 20 2008, 02:14 PM
QUOTE(Dumbledore's Widow @ Jun 19 2008, 06:57 PM) [snapback]515171[/snapback]
The filmmakers also have to
play down the chemistry between Dan and Emma
as H/Hr in order to make H/G believable. And, we all know what a gold mine D/E's chemistry was to Warner Bros.!
You really think so?
Even those the most D/E infested H/Hr infused film aka PoA, happens to be the second LOWEST grossing HP film ever! ROTF
There was barely any H/Hr interaction in OOTP and that went on to make nearly 1 billion dollars in the boxoffice.--With Harry snogging Cho and R/Hr getting closer.
D/E chemistry is non-existent and just a complete fabrication from certain people hell bent on seeing something that isn't there. Has there ever been one single critic review of ANY HP film where any comment or praise was given for the D/E chemistry you claim to see? No. But just looking at OOTP and GOF, there are plenty of critics commenting on the great chemistry R/E bring out in R/Hr on screen. Do you deny that or do I have to start posting all the reviews? lol
UnknownLocket
Jun 20 2008, 08:37 PM
QUOTE(Ki^ @ Jun 20 2008, 09:14 AM) [snapback]515314[/snapback]
Even those the most D/E infested H/Hr infused film aka PoA, happens to be the second LOWEST grossing HP film ever! ROTF
The reaosn PoA was the second lowest grossing film was because of the chronological order in the books being changed in order for certain scenes to be shown in the movie, not the D/E chemistry. So your statement has no correlation to D/E.
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There was barely any H/Hr interaction in OOTP and that went on to make nearly 1 billion dollars in the boxoffice.--With Harry snogging Cho and R/Hr getting closer.
R/Hr was in OotP?

The only reason OotP made so much was because it had Harry and Cho. R/Hr had nothing to do with it. It was Dan's first kiss and there was so much talk about it that people just had to see it. Also, there were new characters introduced such as Luna and Umbridge that made people want to go see the movie. But above all, it was just a good movie.
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D/E chemistry is non-existent and just a complete fabrication from certain people hell bent on seeing something that isn't there. Has there ever been one single critic review of ANY HP film where any comment or praise was given for the D/E chemistry you claim to see? No. But just looking at OOTP and GOF, there are plenty of critics commenting on the great chemistry R/E bring out in R/Hr on screen. Do you deny that or do I have to start posting all the reviews? lol
Actually, the D/E chemistry is very much alive and there have been comments and reveiws on it. It's not something we just made up.

People look for what they want to see. You want to see R/Hr and so you have seen reviews all about it. We want to see D/E and of course, we have seen plenty of reviews to support our opinions.
As for Bonnie, not many people have seen her act in other movies so all we have is Harry Potter to judge her from. Whether we believe Bonnie to be a good actress becuase she can deliver one-liners, or we doubt her because all she has had
were one-liners, is a matter of opinion. I'm still hoping to see more and until I do, I cannot call her a good actress or give her credit for anything. But neither can I say that she is a horrible one. All I can do is doubt.
grantland1111
Jul 28 2008, 04:47 PM
Yes she's a nice girl and hats off and all that but REALLY, you don't have to be a matchmaker to see that Harry + Ginny is not the pairing that the world wants to see. If you were casting these actors for another film, you would cast Harry to get it on with Hermione (Dan & Emma - sorry). Thats what the world wanted, but when JKR wrote the books, she had a different picture in her head - if she had seen the actors who were to be cast in their respective roles, she would have re-written the books so that Harry + Hermione got together. If you don't believe me - just ask her!!! In a recent interview, Emma stated that no, she would never get together with Dan in real life, even though everyone she meets wants that to happen in real life cause it didn't happen in the movies/books but that is what everyone thought SHOULD happen, after we had all seen the two characters come to life in these two people. So, sorry Ginny/Bonnie, I do think you are ok but you should really be matched with Ron/Rupert - don't worry about tradition, I am sure that somewhere in the world brothers can marry sisters, Seeya!!!
dan
Jul 28 2008, 06:13 PM
So what you are saying grantland1111 is that the reason for the chemistry between Harry and Hermione as opposed to the chemistry between Harry and Ginny is due to casting errors? Perhaps a different actress or even, a different screenwriter would infuse a wholly different feeling, much more in line with the books.
UnknownLocket
Jul 28 2008, 10:32 PM
QUOTE(grantland1111 @ Jul 28 2008, 11:47 AM) [snapback]524345[/snapback]
Yes she's a nice girl and hats off and all that but REALLY, you don't have to be a matchmaker to see that Harry + Ginny is not the pairing that the world wants to see. If you were casting these actors for another film, you would cast Harry to get it on with Hermione (Dan & Emma - sorry). Thats what the world wanted, but when JKR wrote the books, she had a different picture in her head - if she had seen the actors who were to be cast in their respective roles, she would have re-written the books so that Harry + Hermione got together. If you don't believe me - just ask her!!! In a recent interview, Emma stated that no, she would never get together with Dan in real life, even though everyone she meets wants that to happen in real life cause it didn't happen in the movies/books but that is what everyone thought SHOULD happen, after we had all seen the two characters come to life in these two people. So, sorry Ginny/Bonnie, I do think you are ok but you should really be matched with Ron/Rupert - don't worry about tradition, I am sure that somewhere in the world brothers can marry sisters, Seeya!!!
LOL, I love this post!

And welcome to the forums
grantland1111!
You touched on a subject that a lot of people agree with too. Bonnie lacks chemistry with Dan, which can hurt her in her portrayal of Ginny. It is supposed to be Harry and Ginny but not a lot people think that those two can make a relationship between their characters look convincing. Chemistry means more than the actual acting skills that Dan possesses and Bonnie
may have.
Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
Jul 28 2008, 10:48 PM
How do we know Bonnie lacks chemistry with Dan? We haven't even seen them act together! and i'm sorry, but Harry and Hermione is NOT what the "whole world wanted". Rowling sticks to what she originally wrote and casting a movie that is an adaption of her books wouldn't make her change her mind about anything.
Why should Bonnie be matched with Rupert? 'Cause she doesn't have chemistry with Dan? Who said she has chemistry with Rupert????!
Dumbledore's Widow
Jul 28 2008, 11:41 PM
We
do know that Dan and Emma have chemistry! And, I believe that was what grantland1111 was saying. D/E's chemistry as H/Hr made it a more believable and consequently, more desirable a relationship. It's his opinion, one that I share.
As for Bonnie having chemistry with Rupert (and vice versa) ... I guess we'll never know since they play siblings in the HP films. Unless of course, the papparazzi photographs them in a McDonalds, sitting forehead to forehead and drinking a milkshake with two straws.
grantland1111
Jul 29 2008, 04:44 PM
Hey dan, you raise an interesting conundrum: how do you cast for the roles of Hermione & Ginny? On the one hand, H has a leading role in 7 books & 8 films and needs to be someone that we will all love & follow but G just needs to fill a space and is really a default role but she still needs to play a minor part in all the films - so what do you do; cast you best/most attractive/talented actress for a minor role and waste her, or cast her for the most exposed and ongoing role eg H???
Hey Unknown Locket: thanks - & hi to you too

. You know, I agree with you, acting skills alone wouldn't save G, there is just not enough content for us to go for it and she has had to take such a back seat for so long there is no explanation for the sudden love affair - and anyway, it just isn't a believable match.(where this has been done well is a great movie "Sabrina" with Harrison Ford - have you seen it??)
Merlin - I was only joking re G and R - just my wicked and inappropriate sense of humour! But I still think that JKR, on reviewing the past few years, might be wondering.
Dumbledore's Widow - you are funny!!!
UnknownLocket
Jul 29 2008, 09:41 PM
QUOTE(Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts @ Jul 28 2008, 05:48 PM) [snapback]524510[/snapback]
How do we know Bonnie lacks chemistry with Dan? We haven't even seen them act together!
Not exactly true. We actually have seen them act together in the second movie CoS.
But hey, maybe once we see Ginny tying Harry's shoe laces the chemistry will finally spark between them on screen.
I wonder how much Bonnie will grow in her acting skills in this movie because she doesn't appear to be doing much. So far, we know she will be a part of Quidditch and that she has two scenes with Dan, one of which they actually kiss in. But it still doesn't look like she will be doing much acting. Sounds like a typical HP film where Bonnie, once again, will be ignored.
chinery13
Jul 29 2008, 09:56 PM
hey people,
Not more arguing!

People seem to do that all the time!!!
Right straight to the point, i don't think there are many people that can say they don't see
any chemistry between Dan and Emma, it's a well known fact! I think 1 in 100 people in the world disagree and say that there isn't any.
I know we haven't realy seen Dan and Bonnie act together so we don't yet of the chemistry but it is a difficult thing to do, i think, to go from a reasonably minor character to someone who is totally in the limelight. Also just think how Bonnie and Dan need to work on the chemistry to side-track and reject almost, the chemistry between Dan and Emma. It's hard i bet, but i have faith and we can discuss they outcome after the film in this thread. So i expect to see this arguing again in about 4 months!
I will be back to try and settle the boiling heat between you lot later.
Rachel
xxx
UnknownLocket
Jul 29 2008, 10:46 PM
QUOTE(chinery13 @ Jul 29 2008, 04:56 PM) [snapback]524765[/snapback]
Right straight to the point, i don't think there are many people that can say they don't see any chemistry between Dan and Emma, it's a well known fact! I think 1 in 100 people in the world disagree and say that there isn't any.
I agree. And those who disagree are in denial

.
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Also just think how Bonnie and Dan need to work on the chemistry to side-track and reject almost, the chemistry between Dan and Emma. It's hard i bet
Definately. If a poll was taken of
only movie goers and those who have not read the books, a good 95 percent would think that it is the characters Harry and Hermione getting together and not Harry and Ginny. Dan and Bonnie have their work cut out for them!
grantland1111
Jul 30 2008, 01:08 AM
So, I think we have a majority - all those in favour of Harry + Hermione = happy ever after say Aye

Hey chinery13, I am glad you agree!
By the way, I just watched the morning news (Australia) and saw Emma at the polo in photos with 4 different guys so the press is having a field day. I wonder what her career will be after HP. I think she could be one of Englands great actresses in the future - one to watch.
Ah well, gotta go to work, be back later - bye
chinery13
Jul 31 2008, 03:25 PM
Hey,
WOW! People agree with me,

thanks!
Okay now after the trailer being released (which by the way i really liked despite being totally surprised on the way they did it) and a chat in other threads i have something that i have 'discovered' for lack of a better word.
I don't know if people have heard about it or not but there is an extra scene that they are adding in HBP, an attack on the Burrow. I am led to believe that the 'fighters' for the 'good' side are mainly Harry, Hermione, Ron and the topic of our discussion, Ginny. I think it will really great chance to show how Ginny has changed so much, as in being a stronger witch than before and also the way that she is slowly yet surely pushing her way into the trio to make it four and not three. It's sounds like a beneficial scene for them to do to show Ginny's getting more important as normally it's the trio doing all the adventures and things together, no one else, and now they have shoved Ginny in the adventure with them a sure sign she is getting more confident, powerful, strong, elite, adventurous and as i have said important and significant.
That's all i have for now, I will be back with more views soon.
Rachel,
xxx
grantland1111
Jul 31 2008, 05:27 PM
QUOTE
chinery13 Posted Today, 09:25 AM
Hey,
WOW! People agree with me, thanks!
Okay now after the trailer being released (which by the way i really liked despite being totally surprised on the way they did it) and a chat in other threads i have something that i have 'discovered' for lack of a better word.
I don't know if people have heard about it or not but there is an extra scene that they are adding in HBP, an attack on the Burrow. I am led to believe that the 'fighters' for the 'good' side are mainly Harry, Hermione, Ron and the topic of our discussion, Ginny. I think it will really great chance to show how Ginny has changed so much, as in being a stronger witch than before
Well chinery13, I agree with you - again! and this is a very interesting point you raise - to show the producers have identified the need to grow Ginny's character & exposure etc. I have noticed that in previous scenes e.g. Dumbledores Army scenes in the Room of Requirement (OotP) that whenever Ginny does magic she is really strong and others are impressed, so I can see that she is going to turn out to be one powerful little witch - maybe even a match for Hermione in the magic ratings stakes (Triwizard Olympics???). So on a magic matchup, I am sure that Ginny qualifies to be Harry's partner (but on a physical one, my vote is still for Hermione!!

)
ciao 4 now
uzekamanzi
Jul 31 2008, 07:17 PM
QUOTE(chinery13 @ Jul 31 2008, 03:25 PM) [snapback]525426[/snapback]
I don't know if people have heard about it or not but there is an extra scene that they are adding in HBP, an attack on the Burrow. I am led to believe that the 'fighters' for the 'good' side are mainly Harry, Hermione, Ron and the topic of our discussion, Ginny. I think it will really great chance to show how Ginny has changed so much, as in being a stronger witch than before and also the way that she is slowly yet surely pushing her way into the trio to make it four and not three. It's sounds like a beneficial scene for them to do to show Ginny's getting more important as normally it's the trio doing all the adventures and things together, no one else, and now they have shoved Ginny in the adventure with them a sure sign she is getting more confident, powerful, strong, elite, adventurous and as i have said important and significant.
QUOTE(grantland1111 @ Jul 31 2008, 05:27 PM) [snapback]525460[/snapback]
Well chinery13, I agree with you - again! and this is a very interesting point you raise - to show the producers have identified the need to grow Ginny's character & exposure etc. I have noticed that in previous scenes e.g. Dumbledores Army scenes in the Room of Requirement (OotP) that whenever Ginny does magic she is really strong and others are impressed, so I can see that she is going to turn out to be one powerful little witch
It sounds like the producers are continuing with the Ginny Reclamation Project they started in OotP. They have to create new scenes and add to existing scenes to show something that is nonexistent in the books.
In the OotP movie, the others being impressed by her magic in the Room of Requirement and her Reducto in the Department of Mysteries, were not present in the book, but were added to the movie to "grow" her character. It looks like they are at it again in HBP, writing new scenes to show things about Ginny like "powerful, strong, elite, important and significant" that weren't shown in the books. The producers will have to continue this reclamation of Ginny in the Deathly Hallows movie, because that book doesn't show her turning out to be "one powerful little witch"
QUOTE(UnknownLocket @ Jul 29 2008, 09:41 PM) [snapback]524762[/snapback]
But hey, maybe once we see Ginny tying Harry's shoe laces the chemistry will finally spark between them on screen.
Another added scene, and um, wow, tying his shoe laces, how servile!
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