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chinery13
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It sounds like the producers are continuing with the Ginny Reclamation Project they started in OotP. They have to create new scenes and add to existing scenes to show something that is nonexistent in the books.

In the OotP movie, the others being impressed by her magic in the Room of Requirement and her Reducto in the Department of Mysteries, were not present in the book, but were added to the movie to "grow" her character. It looks like they are at it again in HBP, writing new scenes to show things about Ginny like "powerful, strong, elite, important and significant" that weren't shown in the books. The producers will have to continue this reclamation of Ginny in the Deathly Hallows movie, because that book doesn't show her turning out to be "one powerful little witch"


I really hate arguing with people who agree with me because they agree with me and then i just, i suppose, chuck it back in their face when i moan about it. So sorry for this.

I really disagree with the second sentence about producers having to create and add on to scenes that are 'nonexistent' in the books. Because it really isn't 'nonexistent'. In OotP J K Rowling put scenes in to show that she had overcome her fear, cowardice and shyness of being around and talking to Harry, like the scene in the library with the easter eggs and the scene after them visiting/overhearing the 'adults' about possession and she then confronts/comforts Harry about it. And unfortunately they decided they didn't need them, and really just made it obviously hard for them to create the romance between Ginny and Harry in HBP. So then to make it believable [them getting together] they have to, in HBP, do the scene adaptions and the creations. I am in no way doubting or critising the fact that they have added new scenes as i do have faith but they had made a dilemma for themselves which, hopefully they have sorted. It's just their way of sorting the Ginny thing out.

By the way i would like to take this moment to say that Ginny is my-just-about-all-time-favourite character ever. I love her eventual determination and definitely admire it [i do know she is fictional just to let you know!].


Thanks for being patient with my blabbing, that's if any of you ever get to the end!!!

Sorry about the fact that my posts seem to be amazingly long!


Rachel,

xxx
UnknownLocket
QUOTE(uzekamanzi @ Jul 31 2008, 02:17 PM) [snapback]525486[/snapback]

It sounds like the producers are continuing with the Ginny Reclamation Project they started in OotP. They have to create new scenes and add to existing scenes to show something that is nonexistent in the books.



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I really disagree with the second sentence about producers having to create and add on to scenes that are 'nonexistent' in the books. Because it really isn't 'nonexistent'. In OotP J K Rowling put scenes in to show that she had overcome her fear, cowardice and shyness of being around and talking to Harry, like the scene in the library with the easter eggs and the scene after them visiting/overhearing the 'adults' about possession and she then confronts/comforts Harry about it. And unfortunately they decided they didn't need them, and really just made it obviously hard for them to create the romance between Ginny and Harry in HBP. So then to make it believable [them getting together] they have to, in HBP, do the scene adaptions and the creations. I am in no way doubting or critising the fact that they have added new scenes as i do have faith but they had made a dilemma for themselves which, hopefully they have sorted. It's just their way of sorting the Ginny thing out.

I'm gonna have to agree with uzekamanzi on this. The directors are adding extra scenes to show something that was non existant in the books. Apparently, just using the scenes alone from what JKR wrote is not enough to show Ginnny's growth which is why other scenes are being added or embellished.

Like you said, chinery13, the directors did cut two scenes form OotP including Ginny such as the chocolate scene and the possession scene, but those scenes alone don't help support Ginny's growth very much. JKR wants the fans to get the impression that Ginny is a strong, powerful, and funny witch, overall, Harry's ideal. So the directors are trying to do that but in different ways that have more impact on the veiwer. I can see already that from the movie's point of veiw that Ginny is growing into a more significant character which is something I never saw from the books. But even as Ginny's character and Bonnie's performances grow in the movies, it is still just the trio, through and through!

Bonnie better enjoy her time in the spotlight now because unless they make up new scenes for DH, she will once again be in the background delivering one-liners.
dan
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Hey dan, you raise an interesting conundrum: how do you cast for the roles of Hermione & Ginny? On the one hand, H has a leading role in 7 books & 8 films and needs to be someone that we will all love & follow but G just needs to fill a space and is really a default role but she still needs to play a minor part in all the films - so what do you do; cast you best/most attractive/talented actress for a minor role and waste her, or cast her for the most exposed and ongoing role eg H???

Hi grantland1111. It is a problem for sure. But surely picking the right actress for each particluar role and writing them the into the film in a way that conveys the feeling of the book/screenplay could solve it.
grantland1111
Wow, this topic is quite intense isn't it?! I am sort of new in here and this is the first topic I have followed but it does show just how passionate we all are about this series. I wonder if there is another example of a story that has had such an impact - perhaps Lord of the Rings? Is there a fansite for this? Even if there was, I doubt if there would be so much interest generated on the various characters.

Chinery13, you just wrote something that I had not ever even contemplated, and that was that Ginny is your
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just-about-all-time-favourite character ever
. So I have been thinking, why did JKR put Harry and Ginny together, instead of Hermione and Harry. It wasn't, as I mischieviously suggested previously, because Ron had to have someone and brothers and sisters can't be together (well, not legally anyway smile.gif ). So, maybe it was so that Harry could finally have the happy family that he never had i.e. the Weasleys, surely one of the best families one could hope to have - so much love and fun, despite what a few have said re Julie Walters as Molly - she is the original "earth mother" So, JKR knows the suffering that Harry has endured and wants to save him, he is after all, JKR's hero.

And so, I have decided to accept Harry & Ginny and move on. Well, that leaves me free to ask Hermione out when Ron's back is turned, if you know what I mean wink.gif .

Finally, Dan
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But surely picking the right actress for each particluar role and writing them the into the film in a way that conveys the feeling of the book/screenplay could solve it.
you are correct, but what a task the producers had in casting roles that would have to last through what is essentially a metamorphasis of the actual humans they cast as they have grown from childhood through pubescense to young adulthood - probably 9 years in total - you can't always guess right! but in the main, they have done a fantastic job, Right then, next topic... happy.gif
ginny_rocks_123
i think bonnie will do great as ginny and i really look forward to seeing the chemistry between harry and ginny...but even if she doesn't do good we cant do anything now because people would be confused if they changed actors now
monkeymushroom
I really hate the way some are critisizing Bonnie at the moment. So far, bar a few, nearly every post has been about how rubbish Bonnie is as an actress and how nonsense the Harry/Ginny relationship is.

I personally am not going to take the differences between the films and the books to seriously. I for one am glad that some scenes are cut, changed and added because it makes the film more unique and more exciting to watch because we are going to be surprised.

I support the Harry and Ginny relationship, because for one thing i don't think - even though the chemistry between them is obvious in the films because of their looks - Harry and Hermione make a good pair. SECONDLY, these are the books we're talking about when it comes to the relationships. Based on personality, Harry and Ginny are better together because they understand eachother, but Harry and Hermione just wouldn't work because i think Harry does get annoyed sometimes by Hermione's nagging. Ron, however, actually gets impressed by her nagging and deep down Hermione enjoys Ron's jokes.
Sometimes i think Emma Watson makes Hermione out to be this pretty looking girl, when really Hermione is supposed to not care about looks. I'm not critisising Emma, though, because i do like her as Hermione, she is the only who can play her i believe, but some of you guys do seem to forget that the relationships are not beased on the films but on the books.

Anyway...Bonnie Wright is not a bad actress.If she was a bad actress do you think she would have managed to get past those auditions? No, i think not.
I saw the teaser trailer today...just got back from holiday so i've been having to do some major Harry Potter catch up on the internet this evening...and i had a good look at that bit where Ginny was in her dressing gown being coenered by fenrir greyback and harry chasing after her...she didn't seem bad at all. I mean i believe her as Ginny for one thing - when i see her in the films i don't see the actress i see the character, which is an impressive thing to pull off for anyone, so i believe she will be good for Bonnie in this one. I think maybe they're trying to make Ginny seem more damsel in distress in this film, because it looks like she's in trouble and harry has to save her. That, i think, is one way to pull off the chemistry because what better way to suggest that harry cares for ginny than to have him desperately trying to search for Ginny or protect her from greyback.
UnknownLocket
I don't think everyone is criticizing Bonnie as bad as you make of it. I doubt that anyone really wants the directors to replace Ginny's character with some other actor. Bonnie has been playing Ginny since the beginning and she should continue to play her character.

I think what most people have a problem with is her acting. But again, no one is trying to say that she is a bad actress. She just hasn't had enough screen time or lines to prove that she is a good actress. She is someone who we can't really make a judgment on until HBP comes out. Some people just see it as a little too early to claim that Bonnie is a great actress as some have said because there really isn't enough information for that claim to ring true for everyone. This is very similar to how people veiw Ginny as a character as well. People like to embellish her qualities when there isn't that sort of canon to support it.

Although you don't think that Harry and Hermione make a good pair, several others do. And seeing Dan and Emma interact makes Harry and Hermione more real to these fans. It's all just personal opinion though. But excluding all the H/Hr and H/G controversy, Bonnie still has to connect with Dan in a way that will override the on-and-off screen chemistry between Dan and Emma that many people so love to talk about.
monkeymushroom
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I don't think everyone is criticizing Bonnie as bad as you make of it.


Well, i do tend to overexagerate things sometimes when i'm trying to make a point. The truth is though, it's not a very good thing to go judging someone according to first impressions. I've done that a few times before where i havn't given ideas the chance. Maybe Bonnie will do a good job with Ginny. I just don't think is safe to assume that she might do badly, it only makes us view the film - when we fially get to see it - with such high expectations, if you know what i mean?
Me, i'm trying not to expect anything because that's when disappointment always arrives.

I remember someone mentioning the tying shoelace thing not being part of the book, or did i hear that in another discussion thread? Well, anyhoo, in a way their was something very similar that happened in Half Blood Prince where Ginny reaches into Harry's hair at Christmas dinner to help him get a maggot out. So instead of caring that harry has a maggot in his hair, in the film, Ginny cares for him when he has his shoelace untied. I thought i'd mention that, but back on subject!
UnknownLocket
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I remember someone mentioning the tying shoelace thing not being part of the book, or did i hear that in another discussion thread? Well, anyhoo, in a way their was something very similar that happened in Half Blood Prince where Ginny reaches into Harry's hair at Christmas dinner to help him get a maggot out. So instead of caring that harry has a maggot in his hair, in the film, Ginny cares for him when he has his shoelace untied. I thought i'd mention that, but back on subject!

Oh yes, now I remember the maggot scene! I think that they should have kept that one instead dry.gif . It is much more cute of a scene. The idea of Ginny bending down to tie Harry's shoe lace irritates me. Makes me mad too because it kind of hints towards women inferiority. Just my opinion. But extracting a bug from someones hair, completely normal. Tying their shoelace, psh! No one does that!
Gwenog
I agree as usual with UnknownLocket (I think I don't have to mention that I agree as it happens so often)

That thought of her tying his shoelace is freaking me out! I know some people say I am too much of a feminist but I am sorry I cannot tolerate anything like this in a way. Is Harry unable to bend or what? No problems with the maggot scene but tying his shoelace? What comes next? Feeding and bathing him...good lord... rolleyes.gif I guess I am going to close my eyes while they show this or I will have to puke or anything...

I said this once but I say it again. I actually cannot comment on Bonnie's acting abilities because there wasn't much of an acting that was shown in the movie so I will just have to wait and see how she copes with HBP. But so far I thought she "acted" not bad. Physically she is convincing, I mean her looks now. What I didn't like was when she saw Harry in COS and had a look on her face as if LV personally was standing infront of her and threatening to kill her. But she was rather young there so I cannot take this as a proof to show she is a bad actress as she definetly must have developed in a way within the years.
florchu_93
i don't really like her but oh well; guess there's nothing I can do about it ermm.gif
monkeymushroom
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Tying their shoelace, psh! No one does that!


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I agree as usual with UnknownLocket (I think I don't have to mention that I agree as it happens so often)
That thought of her tying his shoelace is freaking me out! I know some people say I am too much of a feminist but I am sorry I cannot tolerate anything like this in a way. Is Harry unable to bend or what? No problems with the maggot scene but tying his shoelace? What comes next? Feeding and bathing him...good lord... I guess I am going to close my eyes while they show this or I will have to puke or anything...


(he he he) That's what i thought as well. I think it's the fact that extracting a maggot or something out of someones hair is very brief, but tying someone's shoelace is very longwinded. Normally, the brief moments of caring for someone else are much more believable than those that take more than 3 seconds. In Ginny's case, extracting a maggot out of harry's hair is very normal, but actually going through the effort of bending down and tying harry's shoelace for him is like saying she's 'trying too hard'. It's almost as if the director is trying to rush their relationship or something, like he trying overexaggerate the moment just to prove a very simple point that Harry and Ginny like each other.

Yes, i agree that they could have just kept it simple and have Ginny reach for something in harry's hair, not necessarily a maggot but a piece of food or confetti or something. Sometimes people just overcomplicate things sometimes, even film makers.
I too am finding it hard to imagine Harry just standing there watching ginny tie his shoelace. Unless she can tie extremely fast, it would almost ruin the moment having to wait for her to finish. Otherwise, if she just quickly fooled with his hair that would count as a proper moment and not a corny, longwinded one like fidling with a shoelace.
I can see their point though, the director, if he wanted Ginny to tie Harry's shoelace just to create awkeward tension between the characters. Then again it wasn't the director's idea was it, it was Dan's and Bonnie's?
Dumbledore's Widow
I heard that the shoelace scene was suggested by Bonnie.Then it was probably embellished and brought together by the three of them, Yates, Dan and Bonnie.

Personally, I think it's a lame idea for a romantic scene. I had forgotten the maggot scene in the book, but it would have been better if this scene had been used instead. Bonnie could have gotten real close to Harry when she picked the maggot out of his hair. But the silly shoelace scene just shows me that Yates was in dire straits to create a romantic scene between H /G! tongue.gif

I wonder if the pants chest monster is going to purrrrr during the shoelace scene?! Making a sound like a hungry stomach growl. It's bound to be an awkward AND embarrassing scene, and that would surely kill the moment! laugh.gif


Member of the Phoenix
I think Bonnie is a very pretty girl. I dont' know what the idea of plain is to some people. If she can pull it off then it will be amazing to watch the relationship grow the way it did in the books. We didn't really see much of Ginny until book 5 where she was trying to date other people. We see her in 6 being on the team and that is when we see that Harry realizes that he likes her. If the develop the relationship the right way she will do just fine in the role. Bonnie seems to be a quite person compared to the impression that I got from the books for Ginny's character. I think we need to give her a chance and support her and not talk her down.
monkeymushroom
Bonnie looks so much like Dan it's umbelievable. It's good that they've cast the actors really well because now Harry and Ginny look like the perfect couple. If you don't believe me look at this pic. If you put them together their faces look almost the same. Sorry if i've offended anyone but that's my opinion.
Dumbledore's Widow
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Bonnie looks so much like Dan it's umbelievable. It's good that they've cast the actors really well because now Harry and Ginny look like the perfect couple. If you don't believe me look at this pic. If you put them together their faces look almost the same. Sorry if i've offended anyone but that's my opinion.

Bonnie looks like she wears dentures in that photo where she, Rupert and Dan are sitting on a sofa!

I don't understand where Bonnie looking so much like Dan would make them a perfect couple. It seems to me that by saying that, that they would be brother and sister! unsure.gif
monkeymushroom
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I don't understand where Bonnie looking so much like Dan would make them a perfect couple. It seems to me that by saying that, that they would be brother and sister!


Well, it's just that we (my sister and me) have this theory, that sort of proves correct, that couples that have something in common with one another, such as looks, will have a more stable relationship/marriage than if they were completely different. I don't want to offend anyone by this so please don't take it the wrong way.

Harry and Ginny get along well because they both understand eachother, and they have similar personalities - therefore they have something in common. In the films, Dan and Bonnie both share similar faces, and my sister believes that people generally go for people who remind them of someone in their family or themselves because they are familiar with them.

I have dark hair, sure i appreciate men who have blonde hair or red hair who are good looking but i would much prefer someone who was alot like me, such as similar personality and dark hair, or else someone who's personality reminded me of my dad or older brother. In Harry's case, he's obviously gone for someone who reminds him of his mother, Lily, because she had red hair and Ginny has red hair, and also in the films doesn't Bonnie remind you so much of the woman who plays Harry's mum? I think so anyway.

My point is, Harry's gone for someone who looks like his mum. And like you said, Dumbledore's Widow, 'doesn't it mean they should be brother and sister'. Well that's my point entirely. Harry is so familiar with Ginny by the way she looks like his mother so he considers her a family member.

It seems a bit farfetched i know, but please keep an open mind. It's only my opinion afterall.
Dumbledore's Widow
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I don't understand where Bonnie looking so much like Dan would make them a perfect couple. It seems to me that by saying that, that they would be brother and sister!


Well, it's just that we (my sister and me) have this theory, that sort of proves correct, that couples that have something in common with one another, such as looks, will have a more stable relationship/marriage than if they were completely different. I don't want to offend anyone by this so please don't take it the wrong way.

Harry and Ginny get along well because they both understand eachother, and they have similar personalities - therefore they have something in common. In the films, Dan and Bonnie both share similar faces, and my sister believes that people generally go for people who remind them of someone in their family or themselves because they are familiar with them.

I have dark hair, sure i appreciate men who have blonde hair or red hair who are good looking but i would much prefer someone who was alot like me, such as similar personality and dark hair, or else someone who's personality reminded me of my dad or older brother. In Harry's case, he's obviously gone for someone who reminds him of his mother, Lily, because she had red hair and Ginny has red hair, and also in the films doesn't Bonnie remind you so much of the woman who plays Harry's mum? I think so anyway.

My point is, Harry's gone for someone who looks like his mum. And like you said, Dumbledore's Widow, 'doesn't it mean they should be brother and sister'. Well that's my point entirely. Harry is so familiar with Ginny by the way she looks like his mother so he considers her a family member.

It seems a bit farfetched i know, but please keep an open mind. It's only my opinion afterall.

I'm glad you explained what you meant in your previous post. I'd hate to think that you approved of incest! tongue.gif

I'll give an opposing view here. IF Harry and Ginny look similar then they would be considered siblings, and with the inter-marriages amongst the wizarding families, they could very well be cousins or second cousins! You never know.
monkeymushroom
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I'll give an opposing view here. IF Harry and Ginny look similar then they would be considered siblings, and with the inter-marriages amongst the wizarding families, they could very well be cousins or second cousins! You never know.


That is very plausible, seeing as in the books most witches and wizards are interelated somehow. I mean look at Sirus and Mollly, and them and Draco Malfoy.
In a way though, in our world nearly everyone would be interelated to one another as well. Where do you think people like your family and my family stem off from? There must of been a first man or woman, so you and i would be somewhat related, but in a very distant way. I bet all of us on this forum are related to eachother, because we are all humans and so we pass on the same genes don't we? You won't get a human being giving berth to a monkey now would you? (hahaha)

You know what, actually, people say that incest is wrong, but technically it's something we can't avoid. We are all brothers and sisters, because we are all carrying the same human gene.

Are we going a bit off topic here? I'd say we're still discussing the appropriateness of Ginny/Bonnie's relationship with Harry.
Dumbledore's Widow
This thread topic is: Bonnie Wright/Ginny Weasley general discussion ~ Merged, She's confirmed to be in this film..is she good enough to be with Harry?

And, to this I would say that I personally do not like Ginny with Harry. I'm a Harmonian and really felt that when Rowling would get around to the romance part of her HP series, she would bring the hero (Harry) and Hermione together. Rowling certainly wrote many scenes between H/Hr that I interpreted as a foreshadowing of a relationship. The author gave us such moments right up to and including book 7. It's mind boggling for me that Rowling didn't make it H/Hr.

It's mind boggling as to why Rowling thought Ginny was a good fit for Harry. Rowling had to essentially re-create a whole new Ginny character and devote a good portion of HBP to this new and not so improved Ginerva Weasley. rolleyes.gif Ginny really should have stayed the secondary character she always had been me. That's my opinion, and I am not alone in feeling this way.

Harry actually had more in common with Luna Lovegood than with Ginny. Harry and Luna would have been a much better relationship than H/G. But, I sort of like the idea of Ron and Luna becoming more than just friends. wink.gif I do find Luna endearing.

You might ask where does this leave Ron. Well, I saw Ron and Hermione as just friends that bickered all the time amongst themselves. To me bickering is not a sign of romance at all. So, I clearly didn't see that relationship as forming.

As I said, I prefer an H/Hr relationship and I think that Ron and Luna would have made a good couple too.

As for Ginny ... I think it would have made for great drama if she had bought the farm in DH! sleep.gif

Then there's Bonnie. All I'll say about her is that she and Dan just don't seem to have the chemistry that Emma and Dan do. IMO, the H/G relationship is going to be difficult to sell. I suppose that's why Warner Bros. decided to downplay the D/E chemistry and create scenes ~ like the shoelace scene ~ to bring H/G to the forefront. That's sad.

Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
all the test screening reports seem to say that bonnie did great and that she and dan had pretty good chemistry, so i look forward to seeing her happy.gif
Dumbledore's Widow
Here is an opinion from someone that was at a test screening for HBP. Keep in mind that this individual claims NOT to ship any ship. So, this opinion isn't swayed one way or another, it's objective.
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It's amazing how those two continue to steal the show! And, like it or not, their chemistry as portraying their characters, does lessen any chemistry that the other couples may share. happy.gif
Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
many people who've seen the movie has said that their was great tension b/w ron and hermione, and that rupert and emma had excellent chemistry. I've read that and i'm not taking the opinion from that person, as i've seen the chemistry the trio has and it is excellent. That same person said that rupert and emma don't have the right tension, and i'm sorry, but she's terribly mistaken from the things i've seen in the movies. and they also said that dan and bonnie have good tension, which i have yet to see but do look forward to seeing. That's one opinion and, keep in mind, it's all biased whether we like it or not.
Dumbledore's Widow
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many people who've seen the movie has said that their was great tension b/w ron and hermione, and that rupert and emma had excellent chemistry. I've read that and i'm not taking the opinion from that person, as i've seen the chemistry the trio has and it is excellent. That same person said that rupert and emma don't have the right tension, and i'm sorry, but she's terribly mistaken from the things i've seen in the movies. and they also said that dan and bonnie have good tension, which i have yet to see but do look forward to seeing. That's one opinion and, keep in mind, it's all biased whether we like it or not.

True, but she actually has seen the movie (HBP) and apparently doesn't care about the ships. So, I'm more inclined to take her comments as being objective and put more credence into what she says. Some of those other people who also saw the screening of HBP, and are saying that there was tension and chemistry between the actors/characters may already be biased toward particular ships. I said, some, not all. And, that's to be expected. We all have our favorites.

When the rest of us see the movie at the theaters next summer, we will see the chemistries between the actors the way we already believe the chemistry exists. With our own rose colored glasses, if you get my drift. After all, we are biased towards our ships. And again, as I said above, it's OK, it's to be expected since we favor our own favorite pairings.
monkeymushroom
Apparently according to someone who saw the screening of HBP in Chicago, Harry and Ginny had really good chemistry, and Bonnie was really good in her portayal of her charcater in this film. Accoridng to this person they thought that Bonnie's Ginny was totally believable from the first scene in Weasley's Wizard Weezes.

That's good news then.

I suppose it's only their opinion, and looking at all the other information people have been giving it's not the only one. I have to say my very biased thought is to believe the person who compliments the Ginny and Harry relationship. But now i hear people thinking that the Harry/Hermione scene on top of the staircase had more sexual tension. Sheeesh, i hope it's not as much as they make out, i don't want to be seeing Harry fall in love with Ginny and then have it look like he's about to cheat on her later on blink.gif . That would be weird for those who have not read the books ( happy.gif )

What i don't get though about something that's supposedly happening in the next film. I don't wish to spoil this for those of you though so look away now please if you don't want to know more about the Half Blood Prince movie:




In the beginning somewhen they have Harry flirting with a waitress, or something like that, according to WB. But i don't understand that at all; why make Harry the flirting type all of a sudden? He wasn't like that in the books. I guess it would be fun to watch but it's just so out of character.




Sorry about going off topic there ... probably should be talking more about Ginny, huh.
Merlin_most_baggy_y_fronts
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But now i hear people thinking that the Harry/Hermione scene on top of the staircase had more sexual tension. Sheeesh, i hope it's not as much as they make out, i don't want to be seeing Harry fall in love with Ginny and then have it look like he's about to cheat on her later on . That would be weird for those who have not read the books ( )


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No, they made that scene pretty obvious. Hermione cries on his shoulder, and then ron and lavender burst in, hermione sends the canaries, and when they leave hermione says something along the lines of "what about you and ginny? i see the way you look at her and i can tell you love her. Does it hurt you to see the two of them as much as it hurts me to see ron and lavender?" or something along those lines. and it was only one report said that that staircase scene had more sexual tension, and dan and emma have great tension. but by the sounds of it, they seem to make it so obvious it hurts with the couples that are going to end up together. doesn't sound like there's any possibility of confusion on who ends up with who.

i can't wait to see bonnie in these scenes! she goes from barely saying anything to kissing a bunch of characters, poor girl tongue.gif
grrr, and we have to wait until next summer!!! dry.gif mad.gif
monkeymushroom
Well, just as i thought, Harry and Ginny are apparently meant to be soulmates. JK Rowling said in an interview that Ginny is a lot like Harry, she is interllectually curious about stuff (i.e. life after death) and so is harry in a way. She has beliefs.
Dumbledore's Widow
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Well, just as i thought, Harry and Ginny are apparently meant to be soulmates. JK Rowling said in an interview that Ginny is a lot like Harry, she is interllectually curious about stuff (i.e. life after death) and so is harry in a way. She has beliefs.

Rowling said that about Ginny a while ago. Rowling said this, in an interview, because she wanted to make it clear that Harry and Ginny were to be together. However, Rowling did not, in any way, show us how Ginny became Harry's soul mate. HBP was all about adolescent hormones and being shallow, and there was little interaction between H/G in DH to make me think that they were ideally suited for each other. Before book 6, Ginny was in the background and Harry never really thought of her in any way but that she was Ron's little sister.

By saying that GInny is intellectually curious and that she has beliefs doesn't make all that much sense to me. Ginny is not the only one that has beliefs. We all do. And so do a lot of the other HP characters.

Here is a definition of soulmate:
soul mate (also soulmate)
noun
a person ideally suited to another as a close friend or romantic partner


IMO, the better examples of soulmates are Harry and Hermione. Throughout the HP series, they consistently shared a bond like no other characters in the HP series. Not H/G. Not R/Hr.
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ok, we get it. we get that you believe that harry and hermione are "soulmates", i think you've mentioned it enough times.

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HBP was all about adolescent hormones and being shallow


hmmm...maybe because they were teenagers? that's what's great about JKR's story. The characters grow and evolve, and, for the most part, act like their own age.

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and there was little interaction between H/G in DH to make me think that they were ideally suited for each other


i would say due to the fact that harry was off across the country searching for horcruxes, but that's just me...anyway, when we did see interaction, it was very emotional and meaningful.
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No, they made that scene pretty obvious. Hermione cries on his shoulder, and then ron and lavender burst in, hermione sends the canaries, and when they leave hermione says something along the lines of "what about you and ginny? i see the way you look at her and i can tell you love her. Does it hurt you to see the two of them as much as it hurts me to see ron and lavender?" or something along those lines. and it was only one report said that that staircase scene had more sexual tension, and dan and emma have great tension. but by the sounds of it, they seem to make it so obvious it hurts with the couples that are going to end up together. doesn't sound like there's any possibility of confusion on who ends up with who.

That is the most cheesy line I have ever heard. And that was not meant to offend you, but rather to criticize the quote. I really hope that that line isn't in the movie. Why is the word love being brought up? Even if Harry genuinly likes Ginny and it is portrayed that way in the movie, I don't understand why the screenwriters would put lines such as that in a Harry Potter movie. It really makes the whole thing sound sappy! Forget Bonnie as Ginny, that line is going to ruin the relationship and entire movie for me. I expect lines like that in a romance movie such as The Notebook, but never Harry Potter. If they want to depict real adolescent relationships, keep the bull to a minimum.

The interaction between Harry and Ginny is non-existant. I don't think that they ever said more than 6 words to eachother. The longest on-page conversation they've had was the break-up scene. What a pity! I'm not even going to put out my opinions of who I ship although you can probably guess it by the end of this post, but I will say that the Dan-Bonnie chemistry is going to have to be very, extremely strong and convincing. Forget about what some people say about the Harry-Ginny relationship in the movies. They most likely are hard-core fans and have had prior beliefs of who should end up with who before seeing the Dan and Emma on-screen chemistry. Ask around. It is undeniable that Dan and Emma have something great between them. Even some R/Hr and H/G supporters can acknowledge that. Forget that Harry and Ginny end up together in the books. Forget about the characters. Right now, this is about the actors and how they can make chemistry between them believable and real on screen although others already have that chemistry on and off screen. Can Bonnie really pull it off with Dan and is there any way that we can all look at this objectively without the bias of who we ship in the books?
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ok, we get it. we get that you believe that harry and hermione are "soulmates", i think you've mentioned it enough times.

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HBP was all about adolescent hormones and being shallow


hmmm...maybe because they were teenagers? that's what's great about JKR's story. The characters grow and evolve, and, for the most part, act like their own age.

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and there was little interaction between H/G in DH to make me think that they were ideally suited for each other


i would say due to the fact that harry was off across the country searching for horcruxes, but that's just me...anyway, when we did see interaction, it was very emotional and meaningful.

There really is no need for the sarcasm or for the rolleyes.gif. The last time I looked this thread wasn't just for the PRO Bonnie/Ginny people to post in.

Look, we know now that Rowling wanted H/G in the end, but she should have given the reader less H/Hr interactions in the first 5 books, and yes, there was a lot of Harmony. She should have developed Ginny's character a lot sooner than when she actually did. Ginny was always kept in the background in the first 5 books, then suddenly in HBP she becomes this new and (not so) improved Ginny.

It's the same way in the 6th movie ~ the screen writers and director had to recreate Ginny. They had no choice but to make up scenes and bring Ginny to the forefront so that the audience will see that it's H/G and not H/Hr.








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It's the same way in the 6th movie ~ the screen writers and director had to recreate Ginny. They had no choice but to make up scenes and bring Ginny to the forefront so that the audience will see that it's H/G and not H/Hr.


It's not hard to realize it's r/hr in the movies, especially after the fifth.
and, sorry, what do you mean recreate Ginny? they didn't change the character whatsoever, all they did was add a couple of scenes for the tension...

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Look, we know now that Rowling wanted H/G in the end, but she should have given the reader less H/Hr interactions in the first 5 books, and yes, there was a lot of Harmony.


sorry, but i honestly only remember the interaction beetween the two to be anything other than that of friendship. there was really nothing to insinuate much more. that's probably why i've never shipped them, or even had much of a second thought.

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The last time I looked this thread wasn't just for the PRO Bonnie/Ginny people to post in.


I never said you had to be PRO bonnie/ginny.

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It is undeniable that Dan and Emma have something great between them. Even some R/Hr and H/G supporters can acknowledge that. Forget that Harry and Ginny end up together in the books. Forget about the characters. Right now, this is about the actors and how they can make chemistry between them believable and real on screen although others already have that chemistry on and off screen. Can Bonnie really pull it off with Dan and is there any way that we can all look at this objectively without the bias of who we ship in the books?


I really do think bonnie can pull it off with dan. everyone whose seen the movie has said she did great, so i'm not really worried.

I agree that Dan and Emma might have had something between them, but the more i see time go by, i really can't see the connection anymore. and there have actually been h/hr supporters who acknowledged rupert and emma. i just wanted to point that out, because i DO see great chemistry between all three of them. and yea, i think that fans have kind of blurred who the actors are with the characters. i think that people mostly try not to make the connection between actors and characters, but it'll be done inevitably. I've seen people bash bonnie because they've disliked ginny, and it really does irk me.

lol, and about that line, it's just what i heard. I don't see why 'love' shouldn't be used in a harry potter movie, though...i expect if the line is hit well enough, it should have the right effect.
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Look, we know now that Rowling wanted H/G in the end, but she should have given the reader less H/Hr interactions in the first 5 books, and yes, there was a lot of Harmony.


sorry, but i honestly only remember the interaction beetween the two to be anything other than that of friendship. there was really nothing to insinuate much more. that's probably why i've never shipped them, or even had much of a second thought.

And this is where our difference of opinions come in because others have seen or thought it to be Harry and Hermione before Ginny even came into the picture. Sure we all kind of saw where JKR was going with Ron and Hermione but because they argued constantly and Harry and Hermione seemed to work so well together, we believed it to go the other way around. Ron and Hermione or even Harry and Ginny was just a red-herring to bring it in the end to Harry and Hermione. And although everyone says they are just friends, that sometimes is usually how a real, true, strong relationship starts out, between two people who are just friends. Sexual tension or attraction isn't the best foundation for a lasting or believeable relationship.

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I really do think bonnie can pull it off with dan. everyone whose seen the movie has said she did great, so i'm not really worried.

Who are these people who have seen the movie and what gives them the authority to throw out their opinions on a movie that isn't set to come out till July? If they were on set and watching it, I guess it is a different story but I won't take anyone's word at face-value until I've seen the movie myself.

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I agree that Dan and Emma might have had something between them, but the more i see time go by, i really can't see the connection anymore. and there have actually been h/hr supporters who acknowledged rupert and emma. i just wanted to point that out, because i DO see great chemistry between all three of them. and yea, i think that fans have kind of blurred who the actors are with the characters. i think that people mostly try not to make the connection between actors and characters, but it'll be done inevitably. I've seen people bash bonnie because they've disliked ginny, and it really does irk me.

I don't think that Dan and Emma ever had something between them (I only hope happy.gif ) but I do think that they had and still do have great chemistry. I don't care what kind of characters they are playing, I would just love to see these two perform a romantic role together. That's not something I would even dare say towards Dan and Bonnie. I just don't see it happeneing which is why it's difficult for me to believe that the Harry and Ginny relationship will be portrayed successfully on screen. Even great acting can't fix that if the chemistry just isn't there.

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lol, and about that line, it's just what i heard. I don't see why 'love' shouldn't be used in a harry potter movie, though...i expect if the line is hit well enough, it should have the right effect.

It is completely fine to use the word 'love' in a Harry Potter movie, I just mean that in that context, it sounds so silly. How can Harry suddenly love Ginny like that or Hermione love Ron? That will completely slap the audience in the face. Or maybe it's just me.
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And this is where our difference of opinions come in because others have seen or thought it to be Harry and Hermione before Ginny even came into the picture. Sure we all kind of saw where JKR was going with Ron and Hermione but because they argued constantly and Harry and Hermione seemed to work so well together, we believed it to go the other way around. Ron and Hermione or even Harry and Ginny was just a red-herring to bring it in the end to Harry and Hermione. And although everyone says they are just friends, that sometimes is usually how a real, true, strong relationship starts out, between two people who are just friends. Sexual tension or attraction isn't the best foundation for a lasting or believeable relationship.


yea, i think we may just have to settle with an agreement to disagree wink.gif

true, sexual tension definitely shouldn't be the base of a relationship(*coughtwilightcough*) but sexual tension and attraction are extremely important in a relationship, as well as arguing. Ron and hermione enjoyed bickering, as JKR said, so there was nothing really wrong with it, apart from the fact that it got to harry (basically only in OoTP, as he was so busy in his moodiness that many things fired him up at that time).

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Who are these people who have seen the movie and what gives them the authority to throw out their opinions on a movie that isn't set to come out till July? If they were on set and watching it, I guess it is a different story but I won't take anyone's word at face-value until I've seen the movie myself.


umm, yea, they're the ones who attended the screening in chicago...so i'd imagine they had a good idea of bonnie's acting...
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It's the same way in the 6th movie ~ the screen writers and director had to recreate Ginny. They had no choice but to make up scenes and bring Ginny to the forefront so that the audience will see that it's H/G and not H/Hr.


and, sorry, what do you mean recreate Ginny? they didn't change the character whatsoever, all they did was add a couple of scenes for the tension...
One way the screen writers and director have already "recreated" Ginny was re-writing scenes that show her as powerful in OotP, which weren't written in the books. Besides adding tension, HBP's added scenes may be written to show, what read in the book as teen romance, as soulmate/true love. I worry how H/G will be portrayed in the movie. There have been a couple of posts that illustrate my concern, H/G as teenage romance (like the book) or H/G as solemates/true love (like the interviews). Showing "true love" given the material the way it's written in the book would require some brilliant acting ability.

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..anyway, when we did see interaction, it was very emotional and meaningful.

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The interaction between Harry and Ginny is non-existant. I don't think that they ever said more than 6 words to eachother. The longest on-page conversation they've had was the break-up scene. What a pity! I'm not even going to put out my opinions of who I ship although you can probably guess it by the end of this post, but I will say that the Dan-Bonnie chemistry is going to have to be very, extremely strong and convincing.
I agree that the interaction between Harry and Ginny in the books is minimal. In 5 movies before HBP, Ginny has spoken 22 lines (mostly mundane with few directed at Harry) This leads to the dilemma for writers, director and Bonnie's acting ability (& Dan's too). How is the "relationship" going to be portrayed? Will they attempt to show it as shallow teenage hormones (book) or as soulmates and true love (interviews). There has been some agreement with the hormonal depiction.
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HBP was all about adolescent hormones and being shallow
hmmm...maybe because they were teenagers?

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Sexual tension or attraction isn't the best foundation for a lasting or believeable relationship.
true, sexual tension definitely shouldn't be the base of a relationship(*coughtwilightcough*) but sexual tension and attraction are extremely important in a relationship, as well as arguing.
Again, the writing of the books is a problem for the movie. The lust, jealously, sexual tension etc that's written in HBP may be believable as teenage romance but I don't find it believable as true love. And it's in her interviews that Rowling tells us it's true love and Harry and Ginny are solemates.
QUOTE(monkeymushroom @ Sep 26 2008, 02:40 PM) [snapback]539291[/snapback]

Well, just as i thought, Harry and Ginny are apparently meant to be soulmates. JK Rowling said in an interview that Ginny is a lot like Harry, she is interllectually curious about stuff (i.e. life after death) and so is harry in a way. She has beliefs.
Intellectual, curious about life after death, that sounds more like Luna, who is a Ravenclaw and can hear voices beyond the veil rather than Ginny.

So Bonnie needs to be able to give a credible performance as an object of lust if Harry/Ginny is portrayed as teenage romance in HBP. Based on what I've seen of Bonnie playing Ginny in the other movies, I have no opinion whether she is capable or not. However, for me, if HBP attempts to portray Harry/Ginny as true love rather than teenage romance, Bonnie's acting skills will be a moot point because it just won't be believable.
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